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The following announcement appeared in the West Briton newspaper, Truro,
Cornwall, UK on 28 January 1859 and is forwarded from the CORNISH-GEN List.
I have no further information, nor any interest in the family. I purely
forward it to the List in the hope that it's of use to someone.
West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser - 28 January 1859
At St. Thomas's Episcopal Chapel, Edinburgh, on the 13th inst., by the Rev.
D. T. K. DRUMMOND, Henry CROCKER, Esq., M.D., Madras Army, (Late of
Northhill, by Launceston), to Agnes, second daughter of the late
Major-General P. THOMPSON, Madras Army.
A "military adventurer" is essentially a thrill-seeking soldier who fights
for financial gain and/or political idealogy, generally in unauthorised
conflicts such as rebellions and power struggles. A mercenary who takes his
share of the spoils of victory by looting etc. The land equivalent of a
pirate. A soldier of fortune. A freebooter.
I found this Google Book page 97 mentions The Company of Military
Adventurers and is around the right era, not sure if it will help find his
birthplace but hope it helps.
On 28 April 2015 at 08:00, <india-request(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
> Today's Topics:
> 1. FREEMAN (Sue Gutheridge)
> Hello Everyone,
> I am now turning my attention to my Freeman family. Could anyone tell me
> how I would go about finding out where Charles Freeman was born... see
> below. And what does ?military adventurer? class mean.
> Lieutenant Charles Freeman, Madras Army (Madras cadet, 1778; ensign 18
> August 1778; Lieutenant 5 April 1783; pensioned 1787; died at Masulipatam 1
> December 1804) wife Margaret??.(died at Aurangabad 21 August 1822, aged
> about 75 years). Of mixed blood, and of the ?military adventurer? class.
> Any pointers would be great.
I am now turning my attention to my Freeman family. Could anyone tell me how I would go about finding out where Charles Freeman was born... see below. And what does “military adventurer” class mean.
Lieutenant Charles Freeman, Madras Army (Madras cadet, 1778; ensign 18 August 1778; Lieutenant 5 April 1783; pensioned 1787; died at Masulipatam 1 December 1804) wife Margaret…….(died at Aurangabad 21 August 1822, aged about 75 years). Of mixed blood, and of the “military adventurer” class.
Any pointers would be great.
As mentioned before this Indian Summer was a mishmash of too many
characters, who hopped in and out of the story for no apparent reason.
After the first two episodes I still could not make head or tail of what the
story was about nor did I realize that the last episode was the end of
story (if there was a story. Such a waste of time. Simla was known for
good schools and I am sure the Mission school would surely have chairs and
desks for their pupils I am of the opinion that the author/ producer had no
idea of what life was like during the Raj period in India.
This Masterpiece Theatre series is coming to the US, perhaps in the fall
season. I'm so sorry to hear it's a bust. I hoped because the
writer/producer is married to an Indian it would veer out of stereotypes. It
sounds as if Anglo-Indians were completely misrepresented. Some of the
actors have commented negatively about the storyline in the press.
> Finished watching Indian Summers last Sunday, right to the bitter end! And
it was bitter, left a really nasty taste in the mouth. They’ve promised a
second series, but I’m not sure I’ll bother to watch it. Cardboard
characters, wooden acting, scarcely believable storyline. Only one actor
stood out, the Scottish tea planter McLeod, who remained true to his
character and his unwavering loyalty to his Indian friend.
> Unbelievably, there were no Anglo-Indian characters, even minor ones,
throughout the nine episodes.
> Willing suspension of disbelief taken to new heights ….
> Massively disappointed.
> I wholeheartedly agree with Rosemary's sentiments. The series was a
complete washout. The scenery, which was supposed to be Simla, was nothing
like a Himalayan hill station - not even similar (pardon the pun). The
characters were wooden and unrepresentative of the social behaviour of the
time. As was so rightly pointed out by Rosemary, the Anglo-Indian community
which thrived in those days, were completely excluded. The only one was the
supposedly half-caste boy Adam, who did not resemble a mixed-race child.
Also, the supposed Anglo-Indian school he attended, where the children sat
on the ground with slates, did not represent the fine Anglo-Indian schools
that abounded in Simla at the time, like Bishop Cotton. No, I'm afraid that
these TV producers who try and make films about India in the days of the
Raj, are completely out of touch with reality. Of course it's
understandable, because there are so few of us "ancient ones," around who
lived in India in the days of the Raj and they don't appear to have any
advice of how life was lived in India.
> James Sinclair
Sorry - I forget the original question!
However, reverting to Familysearch we can find:
Name: Sydney O'Hara Dawes Gender: Male Christening Date: 06 Jun 1878
Christening Place: Bangalore, Madras, India Birth Date: 22 Mar 1878
Father's Name: Frederick John Dawes
<https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGHC-9Z8> Mother's Name: Eliza
GS Film number: 521866
, Reference ID: N2, v 59 p 110
I suspect the O'Hart is a mis-transcription at some stage as all records I
find have his middle name as "O'Hara" . His marriage to Mabel Lucy Elias is
found under this name 8 Nov 1902 at Dhurumtollah, (Calcutta) Bengal. Also
several children baptised.
Unfortunately the reference which Jill gave is only to him as the spouse of
Mabel Dawes at her burial 29 December 1919. The original (on Findmypast)
describes her as the wife of Sidney O'Hara Dawes, Assistant W Leslie & Co.
On 25 April 2015 at 23:47, Jill Glover via <india(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
> Ancestry has a Sidney O'Hart Dawes.....
> Sidney O'Hart Dawes in the India, Select Deaths and Burials, 1719-1948
> Sidney O'Hart Dawes
> Mabel Dawes
> It's an index only, and doesn't give any more info.
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Sylvia C M Murphy
PO Box 2379
Carlingford Court NSW 2118
mob: 0430 011 855
I'm still at a loss to locate information on my maternal grandfather, Sydney O'Hara Dawes, born 22nd March 1878 and baptized 6 June 1878 in, I believe, Holy Trinity Church, Bangalore, Madras. My mother was born in Calcutta in 1903, and, at this time, the family were living at 10 British India Street, Calcutta. I'm specifically interested to find out when he died and where he might be buried. Previously, many kind people have tried to get information on Sydney. However, lots of information came to the fore regarding other members of the family, but not Sydney. It is as if he didn't exist! Any ideas or help would be much appreciated. Desmond Mardle.
I am investigating British officers before 1800, who might have been involved with the Nabob. The Annual Army List for 1785 includes the 100th, 101st, and 102nd Regiments, each of which incudes the words “East Indies” in the title of the regiment. For 1786 and subsequent years, these regiments are not listed, nor can I find the officers who were in the 1785 edition.
Can anyone shed some light as to what might have transpired in the British Army at the time? Also, are there places where officers would have been listed who are not in the Annual Army List?
thank you for your advice.
Ed of Falcon
In the record I can see on FindMyPast the groom's name is Joshua ASKEW, a
Private in the 69th Regiment of Foot. The date of the marriage was 28th
This may be a complete red herring, but FindMyPast also has a couple of
pages referring to a Joshua ASKEW, Private in the 69th, who servd in India
(the document mentions St. Thomas' Mount), and had served at Waterloo. This
Joshua ASKEW is shown as transferring to the 1st Regiment of Foot on 19th
July 1824 and being discharged on 29th May 1829. This man received the
Waterloo Medal and also the Army of India Medal with Ava Clasp, and there's
a file on him at TNA (which may be the same as the document on FMP).
Perhaps just coincidence, but I thought I would mention it.
Mary Ann Young married in St.Mary's church to Joshua Asker in 1825. She was
a widow and I am interested in finding her nationality, parents and her
first husbands name. Was young her maiden name or her first husbands
surname. Thanks to anyone who can add anything to this conversation Cheers
Subject: [INDIA] India Medal 1895 & Relief of Chitral Clasp 1895.
My Grt Grt Grt Uncle was born 1872 ...Where would I search for when he joined and what regiment heserved with? I assume it to be an Indian regiment. Cheryl
Send me his name and I will see what I can find for you.
I have just booked to go on the Odessey of North India tour in September. I will be traveling from Brisbane Australia with Qantas via Singapore and plan to stopover there maybe on the return journey.
Just wondering if anyone else from Oz is joining this tour and if they are planning to stopover in Singapore. Thought I would see the new Gardens by the Bay and the light show at night. Anyone interested?
It has been a few years since I last made a posting here but I've just found
some information regarding my father which has now stirred and renewed
interest in my family tree. I've found the following information in my
father's handwriting "At age 18 years in 1934 I was attached to the 20th
Field Battery of the Royal Artillery, in the Auxiliary Force (India) at
Cawnpore in the United Provinces, as a Bombardier, up to the year 1937. The
artillery pieces were 13 pounders, quick firing with muzzle velocity of 1900
ft per sec."
I would be very grateful if someone could please tell me something about the
work he would have done and how/where may I find out more information and
maybe records relating to my father. He never mentioned this to me nor my
Many thanks in advance for your assistance.
Joyce - in beautiful autumnal Melbourne
My Grt Grt Grt Uncle was born 1872 he was aged 23 in 1895, it appears that he was appointed in Jan 1898 to the Telegraph and married in October 1898 in North Black Town, his occupation at that time was a signaller for the Telegraph, and he held various positions with the Postal services until retirement. This information has been found via the The Civil Lists for India - Post Office & Telegraph Dept.
Did this war end the same year in December?
Where would I search for when he joined and what regiment he served with? I assume it to be an Indian regiment.
Sent from Windows Mail
I "believe" I am directly descended from the Calcutta identity Frances 'Begum' Johnston (nee Watts/Templer/Altham/Croke), born Frances Croke, daughter of Edward Croke, Governor of Fort St David (1690-1768) and Isabella nee Beizor (1710-80) who appears to have been of Indian and Portuguese extraction.
By her third husband, the Scottish-born William Watts, Governor of Fort William, Bengal (1722-64), Frances left three children: Amelia (1750-70, the mother of Robert Banks Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool and, by 1812, Prime Minister), Edward (1752-1830) and Sophia (1753-1830, who married George Poyntz Ricketts, later Governor of Barbados). A granddaughter of George Poyntz Ricketts, Ellen Catherine Ricketts (1806-86), was my ggg grandmother.
My queries are:
- Does anyone know the parentage/origins of the abovenamed Isabella Beizor?
- Does anyone know the parentage/origins of the abovenamed William Watts?
Any tips or clues?
Mark St Leon
Ainslie, this is just a thought, but perhaps there were no vacant Corporal roles in the regiment he returned to. Perhaps he may have become a Corporal the next time there was a vacancy, but he was invalided out before then.
I do know that when soldiers in the British Army in India elected to change regiments, perhaps because their original regiment was returning to Britain, and they wished to stay on in India, they lost any NCO positions they held and reverted to being privates again. However, in practice I think they were promoted again reasonably quickly.
On 05/04/2015, at 10:29 PM, Ainslie via <india(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
> Thank you Noel for your information. I am still puzzled as to why he was
> demoted to gunner, after previously being a Corporal. However, after a
> period of unemployment following his discharge because of ill health, he
> joined the Police Force as an Inspector, and later Bailiff in the Small
> Cause Court, so I guess it wasn't something of terrible consequence anyway.
> Again, thank you
> Ainslie Sharpe
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> To: INDIA-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [INDIA] "Remanded to"
> Simply means "sent back to." Not necessarily as the result of a breach of
> discipline. Could be, for example, if new requirements were introduced for
> particular soldiers (e.g. physical characteristics, qualifications) then
> those not meeting them would be "remanded to" their original units.
Simply means "sent back to." Not necessarily as the result of a breach of
discipline. Could be, for example, if new requirements were introduced for
particular soldiers (e.g. physical characteristics, qualifications) then
those not meeting them would be "remanded to" their original units.