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Re Peter Moore's request for "Call of the Blood".
A book by that title with author R.S. HICHENS is available online on the Internet Archive at
I searched only for the title so do not know whether the volume for which you search is available.
The website is a good one - all volumes available in full online to search or download.
Hope this helps others.
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Can anyone out there please help me to find a copy of:
"The Call of the Blood" by Herbert Allick Stark (Burma Rangoon Press, 1932).
Any/all assistance/advice gratefully appreciated.
Peter R. MOORE
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Formerly lizwilde(a)tin.it I have now become elizabethwilde(a)gmail.com
This is as a result of getting Broadband up our mountain & now being unable
to SEND messages from Tin.it for some weird reason, although I have
continued to receive all the India List postings. It has been most
If anyone has come across either of the names SEANEZ or BRIERLEY in their
Indian researches, I would be very glad to know about them.
In response to Peter and David, here are 3 books on the history of the Anglo-Indians:
1. Poor Relations by Christopher Hawes
Subtitle: The making of a Eurasian Community in British India 1773-1883. Published in 1996 by Curzon Press
ISBN: 0-7007-0425-6 It is very well researched, documented and written and I recommend it highly.
2. The Story of the Anglo-Indian Community by Frank Anthony; Subtitle: Britain's Betrayal in India. The book was first published in 1964 and was for many years out of print. In 2007 Simon Wallenberg Press published a 2nd edition.
This book takes off where Hawes left off and gives a more recent history of the Anglo-Indians. After India became Independent Frank Anthony fought hard for the Ango-Indians to have two representatives in the Indian Legislative Assembly. Frank himself was a Member of the Legislative Assembly (MLA). He founded the Frank Anthony Public Schools which are now flourishing in New Delhi, Kolkata, Bangalore and Chennai.
3. Hostages to India by Herbert Alick Stark
first published in 1926. Subtitle: Life Story of the Anglo-INdian Race.
2nd. edition: Simon Wallenberg Press ISBN:
2007, ISBN: 1-84356-011-9
If you are a serious scholar of Anglo-Indian History all 3 books are well worth having in your library.
--- From: Peter MOORE <peterm235(a)hotmail.com>
Subject: [INDIA] India Digest - BOOK SEARCH
Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 4:18 AM
> The dual rank system is a very complicated issue and I have not done it
> justice. I hope this nevertheless is of some help. All the best.
I for one found this very informative, and pitched at a level that even
I could understand! Justice has been done.
The holding of military ranks and rank structure can be very complex,
the understanding of them difficult enough for a military mind and
totally incomprehensible to an outsider.
The other day I was forwarded a copy of a message concerning a relative
of mine in WW II. His rank was given as "S/Capt WS/Maj T/Lt Col A/Brig
******** ". It was signed by B. J. Montgomery, Field Marshall, Commander
in Chief, apart from three other generals.
It so happens that Montgomery is the only Field Marshall to have saluted
me, but that is another tale.
Yours Aye Andrew Sellon
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my ancestors were from Thillaisthanam, and migrated out in late 1800 or early 1900 to Malaysia. I know nothi8ng of aru pilai kootam, but am glad to be in touch with someone, whose ancestors originated from thin same village. I am trying to build up a historical contest of this village during the british time, to understand the circumstances behind why my granfather m,ight have left here and never returned. We have no surnames, I merely carry my fathers name behind my name. I am told that we belong to the Kallar caste, and that we descen from the Vandayar clan. Caste is unimportant to us in Malaysia, we in this country believe and have proven that social status mobility need not be dependant on one's birth. But we subscribe to Ahimsa, and love for all human beings however small or big theymay be.
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Can I suggest that if one's research involves needing to understand
the workings of the British army past and present the incomparable
britregiments list is the place to go. The members of that particular
mess have a quite amazing depth of expertise
> Could someone please explain the difference between Rank in Regiment
> and Rank in Army? One does not always follow the other.
> For example, I have Col. Lambert Loveday
> rank in regiment 15 Nov 1817
> rank in army 12 Aug 1819
> yet Capt Thomas Travers is
> rank in regiment 27 May 1818
> rank in army 3 June 1816.
Could someone please explain the difference between Rank in Regiment
and Rank in Army? One does not always follow the other.
For example, I have Col. Lambert Loveday
rank in regiment 15 Nov 1817
rank in army 12 Aug 1819
yet Capt Thomas Travers is
rank in regiment 27 May 1818
rank in army 3 June 1816.
In a message dated 8/30/2009 6:41:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Could someone please explain the difference between Rank in Regiment
and Rank in Army?
All officers held dual rank, that is, rank in their regiment and rank in
the Army. Their rank in their regiment dictated what they did on a
day-to-day basis. For example, an officer holding regimental rank of Captain
commanded a company, regardless of whether he might hold a higher rank in the
Army. The higher ranks held in the Army were often obtained by a brevet
promotion. Army rank only mattered when the officer held a staff appointment
or was promoted to the general staff. Rank within the regiment was usually
the most important rank for an officer and the date on which he obtained
that rank was very important.
Rank in a regiment is what was purchased under the purchase system. The
purchase system of promotion was only in the British Army. The HEIC
regiments did not have the purchase system but based promotions on seniority
within the regiment which was one reason why the timing of an officer's rank
within the regiment was important. There was a complicated system within the
HEIC regiment where the officers junior to an officer wanting to retire in
effect jointly purchased his retirement so they could all move up a step
but it was not an actual purchase of rank like in the British Army where the
system was institutionalized.
Your example of Captain Travers having held a rank in the Army for a period
longer than his rank in his regiment was probably due to him not having
actually been posted to his regiment for a period when he was first
commissioned. I have a feeling he was an HEIC officer and, if so, it was not
unusual for newly commissioned officers to "do duty" with regiments until they
received a posting to their actual regiment, usually when a vacancy in that
regiment arose. They would not begin to accrue seniority within their
regiment until they were actually posted to the regiment, even though they has
served in the Army for some period of time.`
The dual rank system is a very complicated issue and I have not done it
justice. I hope this nevertheless is of some help. All the best.
I have a brick wall, which I have been unsuccessfully trying to break through over the years. I am therefore left to my fertile imagination, with a small list of possibilities. I would like to ask the indulgence of those members of the list, who have a deep knowledge of the HEIC in the mid 19th century, to help me separate probabilities from possibilities.
My grandfather, born in Calcutta in 1852, was the result of a union between an HEIC military officer and an unknown woman. This is my brick wall. According to family myth (including questions by me to my grandmother i.e.my grandfather's wife, and questions to my father), this unknown woman was of Spanish descent and died at my grandfather's birth.
From the above oral sources, my grandfather was educated at St Paul's School, Darjeeling. I have proof that the early school records were destroyed in a fire in the late 19th century. I have primary evidence that he subsequently studied medicine at Edinburgh University and then emigrated to Australia. My grandfather died the year before I was born, so I can't question him.
My grandfather's marriage and death certificates give no reliable evidence as to whom his mother was.The will of this HEIC officer, who died in England 30 years later, does not refer to his son, but in this will he does not even mention the englishwoman, who in 1862 (marriage certificate) became his wife.
After all this introduction may I make some observations, and ask some general questions of the list, which may also be of interest to other list members with similar brick walls.
OBSERVATION: I suspect the "Spanish woman" was a cover-up for an illegitimate relationship with an Indian woman or possibly a Portuguese woman. There were many more Portuguese than Spanish people in Calcutta.
QUESTIONS: What type (rank?) of Indian women would most HEIC officers have cohabited with? Would most officers have acknowledged an offspring and sent them to a prestigious Indian school and subsequently to Edinburgh University? Would Indian woman be much more likely than Portuguese? I know similar questions have been addressed on the list in the past. Nevertheless, could someone help me in any way separate probabilities from possibilities in my family history?
Thanks from Bob Faithfull in Katoomba, NSW Australia.
Thanks to the help of the librarian in charge of the APAC collection at the British Library, I now have:
1.? A copy of GC's application/petition ?for appointment as writer to the EIC (Bengal Establishment);
2.? A statement from his tutor saying GC has been taught arithmetic and bookkeeping;
3.? A transcription of his birth record;
4.? Two pages from EIC records listing the positions which he held and the date of appointment to these positions.
It seems that a lot of things happened very quickly.? For example, his application/petition for appointment as writer to the EIC is dated 5 April 1793.? Just 6 days later, there was the execution of covenant.? By June 5th, he received his notification of appointment from the Court of Directors.? He arrived in India on Sept. 17 and 2 days later is given as the date of rank as writer.?
So I guess the moment he got his notification of appointment, he hopped on a ship because 14 weeks later he was at his post.? I thought the voyage took longer.
I guess my next set of queries relate to where he would have held these positons.? I know some of this from the material I have because it mentions where he served.? Here are the ones without location:
Assistant in the Office of the Secretary to the Board of Trade
Commissioner of the Court of Requests
Assistant to the President of the Board of Revenue.
GC held these positions between Nov. 22 1793 and April 25, 1794.? After that the locations of his positions are identified.? My guess is that the three positions were all in Calcutta, but I hope the collective wisdom of the list members will provide me with a stronger answer.
Another interesting tidbit is that the documents do not quite agree with respect to the death details.? One says that he died in India, in 1801.? The other says that he died in India in 1800-1801.? I know from a perusal of his will that he died at sea sometime after Sept. 15, 1800 and May 20 (this may not be the exact date--I'm not looking at the will right now), 1801, when the will went through probate in Calcutta.? What I'm wondering, though, is whether the EIC company considered that he died in service.? He also died owing lots of money so I wonder who or how he paid for his last voyage.? Could it have been the EIC?? In the will, he only says that the voyage is costing him a lot of money, which sounds like he's paying out of pocket.? Would it be safe to assume that in some letter now lost he informed the Directors that he was taking medical leave?
My ancestors, born in the 1840s in Dum Dum and Umballa, were sons of a
Roman Catholic Gunner in the HEIC Bengal Horse Artillery. I wonder if
anyone knows which RC schools they were likely to attend in their
early years before they too joined the HEIC Artillery as boy soldiers?
STEWART stair agnew CRUMP caroline charlotte nov 8 1859
GEALE william MATTHEWS mary 13 feb 1860
DUNCAN walter SLIMAN jane 10 jan 1860
FOWLER david and margaret elizabeth jessie 20 nov 1859 2 jan 1890
PERRY r charles paulson and emma augusta edith maud 17 dec 1858 5 jan 1860
MIDDLETON joseph richard louisa charlotte john richard 7 oct 1859 22 jan
MCNAIR william nathaniel and annie annie lillian 31 jul 1859 19 feb 1860
WALLER george drayner emily esther george shave dalrymplr 5 feb 1860 26 feb
SWARIES john lewis and mary ruth emma 28 dec 1859 25 mar 1860
GILLHAM john and ruth herbert william chowne 24 oct 1859 8 jan 1860
BOWLES edward and jane elizabeth ione viole georgina 15 sep 1859 13 feb 1860
WILSON james henry mary elizabeth alice constance 10 dec 1859 4 mar 1860
SNELLING theodore and alethea frances eliza rousseau 27 oct 1859 18 mar 1860
ABERCROMBIE robert and charlotte henrietta walter deveraux 5 dec 1859 6 jan
KENNEDY henry and sarah henrietta 25 sep 1859 4 jan 1860
CONNOR james and margaret william priestley 18 jan 1860 9 feb 1860
WILSON william cummingand eliza maude mary 26 dec 1859 15 jan 1860
REES william palmer and mary anne william otto 8 aug 1857 16 feb 1860
vincent louis 30 jun 1865 16 feb 1860
WILSON john and sarah frances elizabeth 8 nov 1859 15 jan 1860
DE ROZARIO gilbert INGLES anna frederick barthelomy 23 apr 1858 20 feb 1860
DAVIES robert henry and jane elizabeeth robert david cautley 6 jan 1860 20
NANDER BECK franciis charles and adriana robert john 3 nov 1859 4 mar 1860
PERRY william and harriet emma gordon 26 dec 1859 26 dec 1860
DAVIES william sadler and ellen william john felix 3 sep 1859 11 oct 1859
MOORE francis and susan frances susan mary 25 nov 1859 26 dec 1859
LINCOLN william and catherine francis stephen 11 dec 1859 5 feb 1860
BOUCHIER henry charles and sarah thomas valentine 14 feb 1860 25 feb 1860
VALLIANT charles m 12 jan 1860 13 jan
RODRIGUES elizabeth mrs 15 mar 1860
GRAY john 19 mar 1860
D SOUZA Mariano 8 feb 1860
UNDERWOOD william 21 feb 1860
The following announcement appeared in the West Briton newspaper, Truro,
Cornwall, UK on 16 February 1849.
WEST BRITON and CORNWALL ADVERTISER - Friday, 16 February 1849
At CHELTENHAM, on the 8th instant, Richard SHUBRICK, Esq., Captain 5th
Madras Infantry, to Flora Anne, eldest daughter of Major-General Sir Walter
Raleigh GILBERT, K. G. B., and widow of R. N. MACLEAN, Esq., Captain, Bengal
I am just hoping that someone may have a little information for the following names...
Sarah Margaret Pooney was my great grandmother,,,,I am really,hoping to find a Photograph of her somewhere
She was born 1843 at Vizianagram, daughter of John Pooney and Cecilia Robertson.
She was married twice. First to John Meade at Madras in 1859. They had one son that I know of named Robert Arthur Meade born 1861 at Trichinopoly.
John Meade passed away and then she married my great grandfather George Miller Glewis at Bombay in 1872 and was then Sarah Margaret Glewis. George and Sarah had three children - George Miller Glewis born 1874, Helena Mabel Glewis born 1876 (who married John G Cockburn) and William Adolphus Glewis born 1878.
Unfortunately there is no photo of Sarah in my immediate Glewis family but I am hoping that someone in the extended Glewis family or Pooney, Robertson, Meade or Cockburn families may have a photo.
William Adolphous Glewis, married Gertrude Damerum and eventually settled in Khargapur.. William and his sons worked on the BNR Line .( British Nagpur Railways)
The first of his Ten children ,was my Mother, Merlyn Mable Glewis...born 1903...she was a Sister at the Presidency General Hospital in Calcutta..( the P.G. )
Any information would be greatly appreciated...
Jean Liddelow...in Perth..Western Australia
I have a slight connection ( possibly)
One of my ancestrors married a Florence Gertude Damerum ( born 7/7/1876,
Her father was Edwin Damerum who I do not know much about and I believe
she had a sister called Blanche
Her mother was called Louisa.
Let me know if you think this is the same family