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The father of twins William and Eliza Douglas is listed as William Douglas 'Junior Merchant' on their birth cert of 1784. Can anyone on the list suggest which records i might search to learn more about someone in this profession.
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Some information can be gleaned as follows:
1. As already reported by Ann, Thomas Henry Benbow married Jessie Beetles in
1892, and they had a child Geraldine Ethelwyn Benbow in 1895, baptised
2. I picked up the family on the passenger lists.
2.1 Entering the UK.
2.1.1 SS Omar, arriving Southampton from Australia, May 1923.
T.H. Benbow, aged 56, occupation shown as "railway", embarked at Colombo,
country of future permanent residence England, crossed out and "Ind."
written instead. Intended address in UK 1 Wilson Aveue, Agramont, Cheshire.
2.1.2 SS Nankin, arriving London November 1923. Embarked Calcutta.
Mrs. J. Benbow, aged 54.
Miss E. (?) Benbow, aged 11.
Mstr. G. C. Benbow, aged 9.
Intended address in UK 1 Wilson Avenue, Seacombe, Cheshire.
2.1.3 SS Cameronia, arriving Glasgow 15 Apr 1947, embarked Bombay.
Jessie Benbow, aged 77, housewife.
Thomas Benbow, aged 50, engineer.
Intended address, Sunnyside, Brixton, Plymouth.
There are one or two others.
2.2 Leaving the UK
2.2.1 27 Sep 1915, SS Orontes,leaving London for Colombo.
Henry T. Benbow, railwayman, aged 48
Harry Benbow, 16
Jessie Benbow, 45
Geraldine Benbow, 18
Alice Benbow, 11
Ena Benbow, 5,
George Benbow, 2.
2.2.2 24 Oct 1924, SS Australia leaving Liverpool for Bombay
Mrs. Jessie Benbow, aged 55
George Claude Benbow, aged 11
Thomas Henry Benbow junior, engineer, aged 26
Ema Winifred Benbow, aged 15
2.2.3 11 Mar 1949, SS Canton, Southampton to Bombay.
Mrs Jessie Benbow, aged 78, from 45 Meadowfield Avenue, Duddington,
There may be others, but it's hard to know without slogging through every
Robert Satterthwaite was a shoe makers appr in 1841 aged 15 in Whitehaven. On the family headstone in Whitehaven it says he died 13 Jan 1862 in Multan East India.
I have looked in British Library records of east India Co and cannot find why he was there nor a record of his death.
I have not found him in the 1851 census. His brother Joseph was married in East Melbourne 1855
Can anyone help Ruth Cooper bcooper(a)ihug.co.nz
I must thank you for pointing the way to two quite different but equally
The first 'Journal' is the very well written "Cursory Remarks, on board
the Ship Friendship"
I have still not finished reading this but I must say it is quite
fascinating and a wealth of detail. ... a view mostly, but not exclusively, from
the perspective of the passengers.
The second 'Journal' is "A Journal of a voyage to the Cape of Good Hope
and Bombay in the Ship
Sesostris " A great read and more to do with the life of the sailors
during this period. ... more the 'Nuts and Bolts' of how these sort of ships
really worked ...... Mostly, but again not exclusively, from the perspective
of the crew.
Thank you once again.
I'm new to the list and have searched the archives for this family. The
information I have is George Claude BENBOW born c1911 in India died Brixton,
Devonshire, England in 1956.
His father was (supposedly) a manager of the East India Railway and his
mother was Jessie.
This is all I have and am trying to compile a family history for an 'Aunt'
(my mother's best friend) who is now aged 96.
I would appreciate any help anyone might give or could at least point me in
the right direction for further research
Originally from Cornwall
> It should be noted with the RC registers that even though the individual
> parish churches may not have been bound to send a copy to the
> that they were (and are) obliged to send an annual copy to their Diocesan
> offices. These are known in the UK and elsewhere as "Bishop's
> As long as the Diocesan records have not been destroyed, you will always
> find a copy there from every single parish church within that diocese. So
> you don't get a result from the BL or the LDS or the parish (where for
> instance, as in Burma, many have been destroyed) then write to the
> secretary. The records he or she has will also be up to date.
It will be of interest to note that several years ago, the LDS visited the
R.C. Diocese of Madras-Mylapore to film their Registers. Father Vijay Kiran,
Bishop's Secretary at the time was a qualified Archivist and he arranged
this). These records are now available on request at LDS Family History
Centres. (The Hyde Park FHC in South Kensington, London has a set of these
on 'permanent' loan that Fibis organized some years ago.)
Hope this helps
Families in British india Society
Having suggested a few books that listers might like to read just before Christmas, I have been making the most of my limited "free" time reading some of books myself.
Two books in particular have proved to be really fun, and very interesting.
Edward Moor, "A narrative of the operations of captain Little's detachment," available at http://books.google.com/books?id=tEoOAAAAQAAJ&lr=&pg=PA10#v=onepage&q=&f=...
David Price. Memoirs of the early life and service of a field officer. Published 1839. available at http://books.google.com/books?id=jIUEAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Memo...
Whilst I was familiar with David Price's book from the account of a diaster at the Peria Pass in 1797, I had not really being paying attention to his earlier account of his part in the seige of Dharwad.
I was following the route of the advance described in Edward Moor's book, when I discovered that I had not just one but two really good accounts of many of the same events.
I have started to put them together in my blog, along with photos of some of the main locations.
At present, I have reached Dharwad in my research, but try as I may I cannot locate the actual fort on Google Earth, although I know it still exists in parts, because I have found pictures of some of its ruins surving until very recently at least.
This seige is fascinating because it was largely carried out by the Mahrattas with the Brits looking on. Price and Moor both describe the events and the differing tactics that the Mahrattas used compared to the EIC.
Although the Brits claim to have been superior, it is clear that without a great deal of logistic support from the Mahrattas, at this time they could not have campaigned or beseiged the town of Dharward.
If you have knowledge of the geography of Darwar, I would love to hear from you.
If you know where I can find a pre- 1900 map, even better.
The following clip from Youtube will give you some idea of what our armies were travelling through.
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Some months ago there was a discussion about the BL card index - it was
taken offline to remove data relating to living people.
Did anyone get a definitive answer as to what cut-off date the BL now apply?
Or was it just to remove specific data where someone had objected?
Looking through the archives for the time I was away, I see that this
subject has arisen.
It should be noted with the RC registers that even though the individual
parish churches may not have been bound to send a copy to the "authorities"
that they were (and are) obliged to send an annual copy to their Diocesan
offices. These are known in the UK and elsewhere as "Bishop's Transcripts".
As long as the Diocesan records have not been destroyed, you will always
find a copy there from every single parish church within that diocese. So if
you don't get a result from the BL or the LDS or the parish (where for
instance, as in Burma, many have been destroyed) then write to the Bishop's
secretary. The records he or she has will also be up to date.
The same procedure is followed in the Anglican church, and the same
What I haven't yet worked out is what happens to the records when new
dioceses are created or boundaries change. What would be useful is a page on
the FIBIS site listing the necessary contacts in all the countries we are
interested in (or shortcuts to such pages where they already exist).
A brick wall - the only one of my wife's uncles who can't be found: Douglas
Joseph (Dudley) SMITH.
He was born in Kolar Gold Fields in about 1908 the son of James and Bridget
SMITH. In 1933 he married Iris Marie WINTER at Sacred Heart, Madura. He had
children: Arnold, Maurice and Yolande. At the time of his marriage he was a
foreman with South India Railways. The family is thought to have lived at
Asansol where it believed that he died, probably in the 1940/50s.
Does anyone know anything about, or have a connection with, this family?
Peter said, in response to Brinds email: It would be interesting to follow
back Fredk. Harle's records in the Bengal Muster List to 1796 (via 1810) to
see how many other Dutchmen were recruited with him at the Cape. This would
indicate if there was a wholesale transfer of Dutchmen to either the British
or to the Company's Army at this stage, or if he was some sort of exception.
Another thing on our 'to do' list!
There is a a page on the FIBIS Fibiwiki called German
There is a British Library India Office reference there to Lieutenant John
Owen who was sent to the Cape of Good Hope to enlist "German, Austrian and
Polish recruits", and did so, but no mention of Dutch recruits.
It sounds from Brind's post, as though it is possible there may be a German
connection geographically. Also consider that at times there was confusion
between Dutch and Deutch, the German ward for German; as an example, the
Pennsylvania Dutch in America were actually from Germany.
There is a record on FIBIS which may or may not be yours, but is at least a starting point. There is a film reference so you can order it from your local Family History Centre.
Presidency of Marriage BENGAL
Marriage Year 1892
Husband First Names Thos. Hy.
Husband Surname Benbow
Wife First Names Jessie
Wife Surname Beetles
Source Year 1892
Volume Number 222
LDS Film Reference 512342
These two people had a child Geraldine as found on familysearch, again there is a film number you can order.
Geraldine Ethelwyn Benbow
Birth: 19 DEC 1895 , West Bengal, India
Christening: 24 JAN 1896 Allahabad, , West Bengal, India
Father: Thomas Henry Benbow Family
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C393604 1896 0512357 V. 247-248 Film
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> I am looking for journals of the voyage Indiato U. K (or visa versa).
> c.1700 to say 1850.
> I have recently transcribed two journals and would like another one or
> for comparison purposes.
The voyage journal of a missionary sailing for the first time from Englandto Madrasin 1837 is in “Reminiscences of Bishop Caldwell” by Wyatt JL (ed), Addison & Co 1894.
Hi Trying to find birth record of MARY MARGARET MEADE, but may be recorded
under MEADS..recorded in 1911 census as being born 1888 Himalayas,
India...her father CHARLES MEADS (Meade) was a long term serving soldier,
probably since 1882. He married under name MEAD 1886 Borrisoleigh, Co.
Tipperary, Ireland, occupation Soldier, cites his father as being George
Mead, soldier, but this info is probably incorrect.
Charles Meads and wife Mary left for India from Ireland in 1888, with one
son Charles born Borrisoleigh 1886, but returned to Ireland by 1890 when
another child was born in Curragh, Co. Kildare, where my grandfather William
was born 1892 - again no record locally.
Hoping to find the birth record for Mary Margaret, because it might help to
identify the regiment that my Gt. Grandfather served in...and perhaps
understand why the family made that long journey to India for such a short
> He was born in Simla where his father worked as a Senior Civil Servant
> (according to season) in Simla and Lahore.
In which case you should find his (his father's) career records in the V12
and V13 series in the India Office Records (IOR) at the British Library.
This means a visit there.
> His father rejoiced in the names Thomas Meredith Leonard Barnes (hence my
> name) which made a secure foundation to trace back to Joseph James Barnes.
> Fortunately, a biographical note has been transcribed by the India Office
> for J J Barnes to link him to Thomas and Mary.
This is fortunate but you might like to view and evaluate the *original*
document(s) yourself at the IOR.
> The India Office's transcription for Thomas' burial on 15 July 1845 is
> referenced IOR: N/1/67 f.243. Does this reference identify a register page
> or will it be a full copy of a death certificate which may detail his
> of birth?
If the IOR gave you a copy of the N/1/67 f. 243 (rather than just quote this
reference), this will be a copy of his Burial entry in the relevant Church
Records. There was no system for Death Registration in India such as is the
case in this country. If you have not received a copy of this document, you
should ask them to provide one since it will give you date/place of death,
reason for death, etc. - but never give details of his place of birth
(except, possibly, in the case of an infant)
> Can the India Office Record L/MIL/10/122 you refer to be accessed online
> before ordering any relevant section ?
No, but if you are unable to get to BL to view it, you can order and view it
at a local LDS Family History Centre (Film No. 1867444)
Hope this helps
Families in British India Society