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Read your message re father & brother being taken POW by Japanese
At PRO in Kew there are records of all British persons kept as POW during WW2
They can be found at ref WO345/36....Index Cards
WO 367/3....Camp lists (Alphabetical)and
WO 344/393/1 Liberated POW Questionnaires
Should you require any hep re POW try this site
I am sure someone there will be able to advise you better
Oh Marvellous, thanks Sylvia. I have his service record but nothing to tell
me where he went when he was discharged or any further regarding his birth.
Thanks so much for your assistance.
Narellan, NSW, 2567
I sent a personal reply to your message, but it came back undeliverable
because of a full mail box. I said, in part:
I think you are actually a little confused here! Service records DO EXIST
for soldiers in HM Army Regiments who RETIRED TO PENSION. It would seem
highly likely that if your man was discharged due to illness that he was
indeed discharged to pension. As such, there should be a record in series
WO97 at the National Archives.
There are 37 John Baker's in WO97!
Your man's reference is WO 97/603/22
Born WALCOT, Somerset
Served in 46th Foot Regiment
Discharged aged 40
My thanks to those who sent information on my queries re the gazettes. I
have had an informative time looking up some. Some haven't been available
on dial-up internet over the Easter period, so I have those still to look
at - a treat in store for me to look forward to.
Northland new Zealand.
I have been sent a burial entry (for a possible family member) in the
General Episcopal Cemetery and Burial Ground, Chowringhee, Calcutta.
Part of the entry looks like: Wm Drew Miss of F P
I presume Wm Drew was a William Drew, but can anyone tell me what Miss F P
Northland New Zealand.
Can anybody help me with regard to the above.
My father and his brother were taken by the Japanese as prisoners of war
after Singapore fell.
I understand he was taken to the above place, then to work on the Burma-Thai
Can anybody tell me where the above was?
Were there records kept regarding POW, for the above,if so, where are they
and can I see them or obtain information from them?.
Do Fibis records contain information regarding the the above or is 1942 to
My Gt.Gt.Grandmother was born in 1834, the record shows, Malacca, India as
the birth place. No other information. On checking a map it shows the Strait
of Mallaca between Malaya and Sumatra, although a town called Melaka on that
coast line. Does the British Library keep records for this area.
On her return from India she is showing on the 1881 Census along with my
Grandfather a Solicitor living in Cornwall. She is living in a house with
'Retired Tea Planters' possibly relatives. Would Tea Planting be in the area
of her birth, does anybody know.
best wishes to all
Have just joined the mailing list - my maiden name was Ferguson - and I grew up in Poona - I have been in England since 1954 and have quite successfully been researching my family - at the B.Library my mother Una Kouwen lived in Agraher father Peter Glendower working there- his father William in Madras in the Fire Dept. William's father Peter Kouwen was Dutch - by word of mouth the Van was dropped as he was mistaken for German in the 1800's. Have found a marriage for Peter and Hannah Lindsay by the Rev,Dr,Kottler at Vepery, Madras on 23 JULY, 1806 - there was a first born son Harry - and we hope William ! I have not managed to get any further with Peter - as no record of birth or death - and could anyone help - where did he come from and what was he doing in India. Did he come from Ceylon? Hope someone can assist - thanks - Thelma
Here are a few entries unearthed during a family history search of SMITHS.
Bengal Marriages 1847
David SMITH & Sarah CAMPBELL
Willm. D. SMITH & I.G. DOUGLASS
David S. SMITH & Ann M. ROBERTSON
Charlotte Catharine SMITH b. 2 Aug 1884 bapt. 4 Sep 1884
Eva May SMITH b. 22 May 1880 bapt. 13 Jul 1880
Louisa Amy SMITH b. 20 Apr 1877 bapt. 12 May 1877
Sydney George Henry SMITH b. 1 Jan 1876 bapt. 22 Jan 1876
George SMITH b. 31 Jul 1875 bapt. 8 Aug 1875
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I also have a Bombay marriage in 1847 of:
Daniel Smith and Elizabeth Ranger. If anyone has any information on the family connections of these two people, I'd be grateful to have it.
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..........I really wonder where Molly and Louis cooked up tjhe story that I charge US$60/hour for research work?......
I am not in the habit of cooking up stories about anyone. It is a fact I was given by someone I know well. I have never ever said to anyone that I had asked you to do any research for me, in fact I have never contacted you on this subject specially after I was told what your charges are. My husband, though his name appears as a sender on my emails, has absolutely nothing to do with this list so I suggest you leave him out of it.
As you are referring to my email to Baz, you will note that I said: I BELIEVE......
you also said:
Please take note that tehre are some of the visitors to thei group who are out to give a wrong impression of others.
I certainly am not in the habit of giving anyone the wrong impression of anyone whether on this List or otherwise.
I repeat, I was given this information (in a private email) from a lister on this List - that you charge US$60 per hour to do research. At the time I was looking for a researcher to do my research and this was a response I was given that you charge US$60 per hour. The person who gave me this information is a very reliable source and very definitely not a "story teller" and I have no reason to believe that he/she fabricated this fact. I was given this information with the very best if best of intention and I have no intention of divulging to you or anyone who this person is.
My email to Baz was a personal one and not one that was broadcasted to the entire List.
You also said:
If I had intentions to hide information unless paid, I wouldnt put up photographs for the public
Who said you had intentions to hide information unless paid? I have certainly never ever said this.
I did not write to the open list, the information I gave was in answer to a private email - a fact you already know, I wrote to Bas who is my husband's cousin, therefore in common courtesy you should have written to me personally. You have my email address so you have no excuse for putting this on the open list. In future should you wish to write to me I would suggest you use my personal email address though the reply to this email should be to the open list as your original email was.
I have never, nor do I now, have any intention of offending anyone, I am just repeating what I have been told and it would certainly end the argument if you now told us what you do charge, that way everyone known what your charges are - if different to US$60 per hour.
My sincere apologies to the list for this unpleasant situation which could have easily have been resolved with private correspondence.
<<I wanted to include some details of what it was like to travel from the UK
to India in the mid 1800s by ship, how long it took, what the conditions
were like for passengers, what they did to pass the time.>>
Here is the link to a book online called Four Years Service in India
published in 1853 and written by a soldier in the 32nd Foot Regt.:
In it he describes his sea journey and landing at Calcutta.
Sylvia & Penni wrote:
>> John Connolly enlisted in Kilkenny Ireland 1827 (age 25) in
>> artillery, arrived Madras India on Minerva 1827. In 1839 when
>> he married in Karnal, he is listed as Staff Sgt 1st Heavy
> Although I am not certain whether "Heavy Artillery" was part of the Royal
> Artillery, and as such part of the British Army, or was part of the EIC
> Madras Army (which I think more likely, particularly if he stayed in India
> over a long period of timem). If the latter, you can trace his career
> through his service record and other documents which are held in the India
> Office Records at the BL. The relevant records are also available on
> microfilm through your nearest LDS Family History Centre.
> The very best guide to using these records is the FIBIS research guide
> authored by Peter Bailey entitled "Researching Ancestors in the East India
> Company Armies".
> I recommend that anyone with ancestors in the EIC armies up to 1861 should
> purchase a copy of this inexpensive small book. (See FIBIS www.fibis.org )
It is always good to read what happened to colleagues of my own ancestors.
My Gunner Peter Evers also travelled to India aboard 'Minerva' in 1827! The
Embarkation List of Minerva 1827 features in the FIBIS Web-site Search
I suspect that Penni may have read H. Artillery for Heavy Artillery when it
almost certainly meant Horse Artillery. It is interesting to note that John
Connolly travelled so widely. I would have expected him to have remained in
the Madras Presidency. However, if he stayed on to receive his pension in
India - he would virtually certainly have retired before 1867 - he should
feature in the Pensioners Records of the 'Unattached' Lists, probably of the
Madras Army, after 1861.
Hope this helps
Families in British India Society
My great grandfather, Robert Meaton, enlisted in the army in Britain and
transferred from regiment to regiment so he could stay in India until he
retired there. We've searched, with the help of professional researchers,
for his service record. Regarding John Connolly, Peter Bailey noted that
"However, if he stayed on to receive his pension in India - he would
virtually certainly have retired before 1867 - he should feature in the
Pensioners Records of the 'Unattached' Lists, probably of the Madras Army,
after 1861." Robert Meaton was a "Chelsea Pensioner" who had served in
several regiments and the researcher prepared an extensive report using the
various regimental musters. At the end of the excellent report, however, the
professional researcher said "It would appear from the muster that this
transfer had been fore-seen as Robert was in Ballary in October of 1878, the
place where his new unit, the 2nd Battalion of the 13th Foot (Somerset or
Prince Albert's Regiment of Light Infantry) were based. On joining this new
unit he is numbered as No. 1655 and joins the unit in its move to Kamptee in
December of 1879 after a year at Ballary (or Bareilly). There is little more
in the musters, Robert remains at Kamptee for seven months until he travels
to Bangalore in July of 1880. In Bangalore on the 19th of September 1880
after 25 years of service and 21 years of adult service he elects to be
discharged to pension, at that time he would have been 39 years old. Sadly
there are no discharge papers in existence, this is almost certainly due to
the fact that he did not return to England for discharge and as such did not
pass through the discharge depots at Netley and Gosport." So, might his
papers be among the records of the "Unattached" and how do I find this out?
Are these records indexed on the Fibis site? And I have another minor
mystery. Robert Meaton was born in August 1839 and on 21 June 1855, he
joined the 88th Regiment as a "Boy" soldier of 14 years. He was almost 16
years old at the time. Why would he say he was younger? Prior to enlisting
his last known address was a Union Workhouse. Were there limits on the
number of "privates" at the time and the only way he could escape the
workhouse was to enlist as a Boy? Finally, the researcher also noted that
"On the 22nd of June 1856, after reaching 15 years of age, Robert Meaton is
officially ranked as a Private and not a Boy." Was this increase in rank
given because the army thought it was his 15th birthday or because he had
served for one year? I am trying to combine the researcher report,
information from regimental histories (I transcribed part of the 88th
history and it's available through FibWiki), and information from baptism
and census records but there are so many questions. Thanks for any help.
Thanks to another lister, I found some of my relatives travelling back from India to UK (1940's - 1960) on:-
...however, there are only selected records online but you might be lucky.
has records for UK to worldwide 1890-1947.
Hope this helps
> From: m(a)kinch.net> To: india(a)rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:59:37 +0100> Subject: [INDIA] Travel Diary for someone travelling from the UK to India in the mid 1800s and 1950s?> > Hi Everyone> > I am putting together the final parts of our Family Tree, and I wanted to include some details of what it was like to travel from the UK to India in the mid 1800s by ship, how long it took, what the conditions were like for passengers, what they did to pass the time. Also we have some family members that made the trip in 1954, and again I would like to be able to describe what the journey was like, the stop overs if any, and timing. Does anyone have anything I can use or point me to something to help?> > I am struggling to find any online lists for passengers that left India to return to the UK in the 1950's - Does anyone know if these are available online?> > I really liked the description that Jean put up about her family arriving in Australia, and having been so used to servants, found great difficulty to adapt to doing anything themselves. My wife's Mother had the same when they arrived in the UK, having lived in a big House with servants, they found themselves in a small terraced house in Tooting London, all the family in one room living with relatives, and with no idea of what to do. She had 2 boys and 2 girls at this point, so they took over the cooking and general running of the household.> > I would like to try and get across in my Family tree how hard that was, and the sacrifices that were made to get the family back to the UK and settle, I am not sure that the current generation appreciate how difficult that was, and saying 'Grandma was always a little eccentric' - having done this research and read the posts from this forum, I am not surprised she was 'eccentric' !> > Kind regards> > Martyn> > ===== India Mailing List =====> > Families in British India Society: http://www.fibis.org> (look here to find Cathy Day's data)> > Archives can be found at:> http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=INDIA> and at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/INDIA> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
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I have had a number of request for 'look-ups' in the above BACSA publications. There was no record of the name(s) requested in most cases. Indeed, despite a sizeable European and Anglo-Indian/Anglo-Burmese population, it is disappointing to note that the number of entries is about the same as that of the BACSA Rawalpindi publication. Before the war, cemeteries were located in all of the main towns and maintained by the PWD or the local church. RE McGuire, the author, notes that after the war:'Cemeteries ... were allowed to fall into such a state that in many of them upkeep became impossible. Thus in Mandalay a correspondent who visited the Military Cantonment cemetery in 1974 reported that the cemetery was unfenced, with cattle grazing in it, and with many headstones indecipherable, defaced or broken or fallen down. In Akyab, the Cathedral cemetery has suffered so much from theft and vandalism that its maintenance is beyond the resources of the parishioners. In Thayetmyo ... the large cemetery has virtually disappeared into the jungle.' We should all be grateful to BACSA for their work in conserving the cemeteries in which are ancestors are buried. Regards, Michael
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I am putting together the final parts of our Family Tree, and I wanted to include some details of what it was like to travel from the UK to India in the mid 1800s by ship, how long it took, what the conditions were like for passengers, what they did to pass the time. Also we have some family members that made the trip in 1954, and again I would like to be able to describe what the journey was like, the stop overs if any, and timing. Does anyone have anything I can use or point me to something to help?
I am struggling to find any online lists for passengers that left India to return to the UK in the 1950's - Does anyone know if these are available online?
I really liked the description that Jean put up about her family arriving in Australia, and having been so used to servants, found great difficulty to adapt to doing anything themselves. My wife's Mother had the same when they arrived in the UK, having lived in a big House with servants, they found themselves in a small terraced house in Tooting London, all the family in one room living with relatives, and with no idea of what to do. She had 2 boys and 2 girls at this point, so they took over the cooking and general running of the household.
I would like to try and get across in my Family tree how hard that was, and the sacrifices that were made to get the family back to the UK and settle, I am not sure that the current generation appreciate how difficult that was, and saying 'Grandma was always a little eccentric' - having done this research and read the posts from this forum, I am not surprised she was 'eccentric' !
Any advertising is good advertising. Ronnie, my grandfather was born (31 Dec
1882 )and raised in Bangalore and, I believe, his parents are buried there
(about 1923). Are you able to find and photograph graves? Can you find
photos or school records, of my grandfather for example? The parents house
is on a list of "European and Eurasian Tenants & Sub-Tenants of the Jdidar
of Puttandur Village outside the Whitefield Settlement in the first decade
of 1900." Is it possible to get a photo of the house if it still exists?
I wonder if you could please help me with my gggrandfather.
John Connolly enlisted in Kilkenny Ireland 1827 (age 25) in artillery, arrived Madras India on Minerva 1827. In 1839 when he married in Karnal, he is listed as Staff Sgt 1st Heavy Artillery. I think he was still alive about 1867. I have no other details re his army career or postings, although he seemed to travel all over India as the birthplaces of his children indicate eg Kurnal, Bangalore, Sharjehanpore and Rawul Pindee.
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You mentioned having a copy of the above. Would you mind a lookup for me please?
My grandfather was George FAITHFULL and in 1861 he would have been a major. His unit was the 68th Reg of Native infantry of the Bengal Army but he was listed in previous East India Directories as "civil employ", in which he was assistant to the District Commissioner in Arracan. The 68th mutinied at Bareilly in 1857, but I think he was not there at the time. He was later listed as Indian Army Staff Corps and retired as Major General in 1875. I am trying to establish his movements after the "Mutiny" and the demise of the East India Company.
Also, can you tell me what Staff Corps actually means?
Kindest regards Bob Faithfull, Katoomba.