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I am resuming research (after a very long break due to other commitments)
researching my family tree.
My mother Ruby is one daughter of Stanley Eugene Desbruslais and Edith
Mandelli, the other children being Daphne, Pamela, Diamond, Veronica, Jean
and I believe there was a brother who sadly didn't live.
Great Grandfather Eugene Francis, I believe was married twice had several
children (Frederick, Eugene, Clarence, Ernest, Mary, William, Alice, Henry,
Connie, Dorothy, Edwin, Leonard) from the first marriage to Ann Mary
Delanougerede and my grandfather from the second to Perine.
Grandfather and Grandmother died when my mum and her siblings where young -
some of them I have being told went into the care of the little sisters of
the poor who ran an orphanage St. Vincents at Entally Calcutta.
Uncle Leonard may have funded the crossing of part of the family to England
- they were care for by my Aunty Noreen (as I called her) and William
Constable her husband. I do not known Aunty Noreen's maiden name but
apparently she was actually a cousin to grandfather Stanley. Aunty Noreen
had daughters Coleen, Mary and a son Alan.
Other families that may be related include Augier, Fleury and Michel. We
also have an Aunty Gertie who I think now lives in Australia and has a son
and daughter Geraldine.
Hope to hear from anyone who knew them or is related to us.
Many thanks in anticipation.
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From: "Molly & Louis Hamilton" <l_ehamilton(a)iprimus.com.au>
> The present St James Church is on Lower Circular Road ........ >.
Yes indeed -
St. James Church CE - Lower Circular Road - is where I was a flower girl at
an aunt's wedding in 1941.
Lally said: "in the grounds of the Calcutta Girls School. "
The Calcutta Girls School was in Dharamtolla (on the main street itself).
My grandmother was a pupil at the school.
Hope this helps.
Molly Sarstedt-Hamilton, Townsville, Australia
I am looking for the descendants of John Anthony VERNON and Maria Laurie who married in 1840 at Fort William.
They had at least one daughter, Mary Antoinetta VERNON born in 1841 (Fort William) who married William TER VEEN in 1868.
By advance, thank you for your help!
I thought I would share with the listers the opening lines of my great great
aunt's memoirs. This was the first information I received about my great
grandfather William George Mason. As my newly found cousin Paul said,
"Although there have been a number of TV programmes on the subject recently,
it somehow becomes more real when you read something like this"
"I do not know much about my father's parents - He remembered very little
himself, having been made an orphan during the Indian Mutiny of 1857, when
he was only 7 years old. He and his brother Robert, aged 5 at the time, were
saved from death, it would seem, through the agency of faithful servants,
who hid the two lads and passed them on to some British soldiers. They were
conducted to Agra, where there was a military orphanage and there they were
cared for by Capuchin Fathers (Friars Minor of the Order of St. Francis). My
father remembered the exodus to the Fort at Agra, of the nuns and girls from
St. Patrick's Convent School, and the boys and Masters from St. Peter's
College. The very old and very young rode in bullock carts; the others
marched alongside, accompanied by an armed guard. At the Fort they were
housed in former elephant stables and lived there for several weeks, and
school lessons were carried on there until peace and order were restored".
If I can get more info about the :
1. orphange at Agra
2. Capuchin Fathers (Friars Minor of the Order of St. Francis).
3. records from the Fort at Agra
June 29th 1857
Remembering my great-grandfather, William HOWARD (name possibly changed
from THOMSON), born in Old Machar, Aberdeen (?1834?), who enlisted at
Westminster 150 years ago today for service with the East India Company
(1st Company, 5th Battalion, Bengal Artillery).
Yes I knew it well.!
My family and I attended between 1955-1969.I can't remember the street address, however I can tell you that it was in the grounds of the Calcutta Girls School. I hope this will help locate it.
I remember the name Atkinson in connection with the church but can not tell you anything more.
I do not recall the pew.
The pastor I remember was Rev Homer Morgan. I was only a child then but I do remember Rev Morgan a young American replaced a rather old pastor.
Sorry, I don't think I have any photos.
I'll let you know if any thing more comes to mind.
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From: John A.Thomas <jato37(a)gmail.com>
Date: Jun 29, 2007 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [INDIA] Details of marriage records Madras
That was very nice of you to share that information from St. Mary's Church
at Fort St. George, Madras.
I was wondering if you have [by any chance, at all] an extract of the
Marriage Register marked as No: 1 . Year 1753: the second entry being that
of Robert Clive and Margaret Maskelyne on 18 Feb of that year. The first
entry was that of Elihu Yale. I have tried the Tamilnadu Archives as also
the Archeological Survey of India at Madras now Chennai with no replies!! I
need an extract of the entry!! and perhaps a copy.
Thanks for your troubles.
Dr. John A.Thomas
This is for the information of those interested in the DLI.
The Digital Library of India has four servers. Their addresses are:
Hyderabad server http://dli.iiit.ac.in/
Bangalore server http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/
Server at Carnegie Mellon http://tera-2.ul.cs.cmu.edu/
NOIDA (Delhi) server http://www.dli.cdacnoida.in:80/
Out of these, only the first two appear to be in working order. The other two do not show any actual book though the home pages promise a lot.
Even for the first two, the organization is pretty poor. No one seems to have paid any attention to standardizing how the book titles or the author names are to presented. This results in the index being chaotic and practically worthless for search. For example, all books in English whose titles start with 'The' have been grouped under the letter 'T'. If you know the name of the author, you are in better luck. The position in Indian vernaculars is hilarious or infuriating, depending upon your mood. The transliteration of titles and author names is terrible and does not follow any known system. Descriptions like first edition, second edition have been made as parts of titles. The only way to look for interesting material in vernaculars is to wade through all names, guess at what the really mean and pick up anything that you may find interesting. The search tool does not help you at all. On top of it, even where the title looks interesting, there is no guarantee the actual book will be available - in Marathi almost 50% of the times you end up with 'book temporarily not available'.
I wrote about this to someone who has some connection with Hyderabad people of the DLI. Apparently, the scanning work has been given out on contract and no one at this time can predict how long it will take to set things right.
If you are willing to wade through the titles, you do come across gems. I read a travel account in Marathi written by Mrs. Parvatibai Chitnavis of the well known Chitnavis family of CP. Her husband was held a senior position in the Provincial Civil Service of CP and the couple went on world tours twice, once in 1901 and for the second time in 1911. The second tour took them to Ceylon, Hong Kong, Japan, San Francisco, Yosemite, Colorado Springs, Chicago, New York, London, Ireland, Scotland and back to India, a total of 8 months of travel. Parvatibai, a traditional Hindu woman had learnt enough English to hold her own with Europeans. They traveled first class throughout and apparently did not meet with any kind of racial prejudice anywhere and were most kindly treated everywhere. The high point of their tour was the Coronation in London. In England and Scotland they met with several of their old service acquaintances from CP and stayed as house guests with many of them. I was quite surprised to find that the social interaction between the British and an Indian couple, at the time of the high noon of British imperialism, could be so cordial. Perhaps their position in the CP bureaucracy was the cause and the place was not India but England, where the British did not mind being seen in the company of Indians, if they were of the suitable class!
Another account that I read in Marathi was written by Prof P.D.Gune of the Fergusson College, Poona. He went to Germany in 1911-12 to study Linguistics. You see the pre-Great War Germany of Kaiser in it. Incidentally, Gune too was in London for the Coronation but he does not appear to have come across the Chitanvis couple, perhaps because the Chitanvis couple moved in higher circles - they attended a reception given by Sayajirao Gaikwad of Baroda - while Gune was an indigent student traveling on a shoe-string scholarship!
Arvind Kolhatkar, Toronto, June 29, 2007.
This is an amazing site. They have added much material since I last visited
it. It is a little difficult to search - many false negatives.
From: Jack Hume [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:55 AM
To: 'Sylvia Murphy'
Subject: RE: [INDIA] Indian Medical Review
I found it again at: Digital Library of India
Hosted by: Regional Mega Scanning Centre IIIT Hyderabad in co-operation with
IISc, CMU, NSF, ERNET and MCIT for the Govt. of India and 21 participating
centres. The url is http://dli.iiit.ac.in/ . Search the title Indian
Medical Review no author and the defaults given. Hit the link when it comes
up. You may want to save the file. I am going to for it certainly makes it
easier to work with. Hope this works for you. Jack
NB As you will see it has a world of other material available.
I believe my great grandfather Charles Osborne MEREDITH was linked to the
railways in building railway bridges. He is named on my grandmother's birth
certificate as an Agent for Contractors. I have found his birth record in
familysearch.org, but not his marriage record to Juliette Millicent STARK.
My mother thought he was involved in building the Hooghly Bridge.
Any clues would be most welcome.
I am looking for the Players, Lorna, Muriel and Dorothy who were in the Convent of Jesus & Mary, Agra, 1934-1945. If anybody could assist in giving me any info about them I would appreciate that very much. Thanks,
Has anyone ever had any Bradleys in INDIA?
My Gt Grandmother was Mary Ann(e) Bradley was the daughter of JAMES BRADLEY.
She married firstly a Colour Sergeant Richard STEVENS in India at Dinapore
on the 18th.August 1852. He was in the 29th Regiment (The Worcester Regt) at
the time of his marriage.
They had one son who died in 1855 and Richard died in Burma later in 1855.
Mary Anne later married my Gt.Grandfather GEORGE JOSEPH ROGERS in Mandalay
in 1856. Her father was named as James Bradley on the marriage return held
by the British Library in London .
Mary Anne died in Rawalpindi, India in 1867. She certainly had at least one
Brother-Richard who was an Executive Engineer in the Punjab Civil Service
and possibly one other P. Bradley who was present at my Uncle's baptism in
This is all the information that I have been able to find, so can anyone out
there please wave a magic wand and produce some long missing relatives.
Peter D Rogers, Suffolk UK.
Below is a citation from an article taken from a book [title of book unknown] concerning "The Madras Courier", page 452, which concerns my ancestor's house. Can anyone tell me whether Stowe Hall is still standing, and if it is, is there someone who can possible scan and send me a photo of it.
14th February, 1793 - " As some evil-minded person or persons have thrice endeavoured to destroy the wall carrying on to the westward of Mr. C.B. Dent's Garden House, situated near Vepery and fronting the Freemasons' Lodge, and particularly on the night of the 9th February, when fifty feet in length was beaten down, a reward of 25 star pagodas is offered for information that will ensure discovery of persons concerned in so audacious and flagrant a violation of the laws, and so contrary to good order" .
Faden's map of 1816 enables us to identify Dent's house with the present Stowe Hall on the north side of Poonamallee Road at its junction with Rundall's Road, Vepery. As Rundall's Road was non-existent as late as 1798, the house must have faced the Poonamallee Road, whence it is judged that the Masonic Lodge was situated in the compound which now belongs to St. Andrew's Church.
Any help is much appreciated.
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I have just been told that my ATKINSON family contributed large amounts of
money for the building of Thoburn Methodist Church in Calcutta and the front
pew was kept for the use of the ATKINSON family and had the family name on
I have never heard of this church before, although I found the name on an
invoices for family burials in 1945 & 1947, together with the name of the
minister, Rev A E ATKINSON.
Does anyone know anything about this church?
I was going through some old papers on file, and thought maybe someone can use the info below which is taken from IOC Record No. N2/2/323 - Year 1798 for St. Mary's Church,
Fort St. George, Madras:
Feb. 19 - Ensign Arthur William Henry[?] Bainbridge and Miss Clarissa Isacke
Mar. 27 - Mr. Thomas Blyth  and Miss Maria Smith
Apr. 4 - Mr. Edward Bent and Miss Elizabeth Telfer
Apr. 14 - Mr. Robert Godfrey and Frances Pryce
Apr. 16 - Lieut. Anselm Jones & Miss Ann Fairney
Apr. 28 - John Patterson and Ann Jones
May 15 - Richard Chase Esq. & Miss Elizabeth Neale
May 22 - Robert Sherson Esq. & Miss Catherine Taylor 
Jun. 2 - Sergeant John Good & Ann Hitchin
Jun. 23 - Charles Anderson & Mary McKenzie
Jul. 14 - John Vicars & Charlotta Wallace
Jul. 14 - Michael Hughes and Clarinda Thomas
Jul. 18 - George Maidman Esq. & Miss Elizabeth Watts
Jul. 28 - Thomas Haldwell & Ponganna Christie
Jul. 28 - James Wilson & Mary Forbes
Aug. 4 - George Cooper & Hannah Jacobs
Aug. 11 - James Innis & Elizabeth Maria Mungleman [signed Mungman]
Aug. 25 - Captain Charles Elton Prescott & Miss Letitia Elizabeth Jolly
Sep. 14 - Mr. William Hope  & Miss Kezie Wheeler
Sep. 15 - Adam Balfour & Miss Charlotte Bell
Sep. 15 - Anthony Cruss & Ann Allconah
Sep. 29 - William Ross & Elizabeth Miller
The above names also appear on page 52 in the book " Marriages at Fort. St. George Madras" with the addition of the following names below continuing for 1798 and part of 1799. Please note that the copy of the page is bad, so some of the names are not entirely clear:
Oct. 10 - Capt. John Woodbridge Hilton & Miss Catherine Sydenham
Oct. 16 - Herbert Abingdon Draper Compter  Esq. & Miss Mary Ann Carrere
Oct. 18 - Mr. Mark Dunhill & Miss Catherine Campbell
Nov. 3 - Lieut. Richard Charleton  & Miss Elizabeth Webb Stone
Dec. 1 - Deyrick [Dirk] Selligan & Johannah Maria Perrarah
Dec. 2 - William Hesse Gordon, Esq. [HEICS] & Miss Marianna Jean Johnston [witnessed by Colonel Arthur Wellesley]
Dec. 15 - John Brasset & Maria De Souza
Jan. 22 - Lieut. Hamilton Redcross[?] & Miss Catherine Elizabeth Van Den Berg
Jan. 29 - Mr. Richard Perriman and Miss Mary Burne
Feb. 16 - Williams Jones & Marianna Panch[?]
Apr. 18 - George Read, Esq. [HEICS] & Miss Eliza Routledge
Apr. 29 - Captain William Geddes Richardson & Miss Catherine Eliza Scott.
275 - Deputy Sheriff of Madras
276 - Dau. of John Taylor and Catherine Maitland
277 - Retail merchant, of the firm of Griffith, Hope & Griffith
278 - A Barrister
279 - Company's Artillery
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In the context of the currently ongoing discussion about the NBS Railway, I was intrigued from the beginning by the use of the word 'State' in its name. North Bengal was not the name of any native state and the word 'state' was generally, as far as the Raj is concerned, met in the context of native states. In current times the word 'state' is usually met in contexts such as state vs private property or the State vs the individual. In the British colonial days these contexts would be described as public vs private property, Government vs the individual. (At least, such is my impression!) How come then that the word 'State' is used in the names of the North Bengal State Railway and similar other state railways such as the Rajputana and Malwa State Railway?
I found the answer in a comprehensive book 'The Indian Empire - Its People, History & Products' by W.W.Hunter, available in www.books.google.com at
http://books.google.com/books?id=yUhvfR1S_UEC&pg=PA547&ots=ve-uGfmNgM&dq=... or http://tinyurl.com/3e35ls at pp 546-547. It gives a four-tier classification of Indian Railways as a) Guaranteed Railways, b) State Railways, c) Assisted Railways, and d) Railways owned by native states. The Guaranteed Railways were those who raised their capital from shareholders and built the major network from 1855 to 1875. They were guaranteed interest of 5% on the Capital by the Government, profits in excess of 5% to be shared by the Company and the Government and the Government had the right to take over the Companies after a certain number of years - nationalize them in the current jargon - at the market value, which the Government did in the 1880's. State Railways had all their capital provided by the Government and their employees were government employees. Assisted railways were again privately owned but they were guaranteed low interest loans from the Government and were given free land etc. The last category of native state railways were financed by the native states.
Those interested in finding more about this and many other fascinating details about how the Raj was run may refer to the book. Its 747 pages are crammed with information of all manner. Fortunately it is under 'Limited Preview' and a substantial portion of the book can be accessed.
To further complicate the matters, you may like to read about the complexities of the history of Siliguri and Jalpaiguri stations at http://www.irfca.org/docs/rinbad-siliguri.html .
Arvind Kolhatkar, Toronto, June 28, 2007.
Would this Thacker you mention be a list of employees on Indian railways? I am try to trace my great grand father - Langley Hillyard who worked for Indian Railways. Sadly that is almost all I know about his time in India, apart from he was originally in the British army out there.
Researching Family Hillyard