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I have a request for a couple of look-ups please.
These were in Consular Returns
1894 Ethel Charlotte J Edge Bombay Burials 72 145
(and Army Chaplain Returns 476)
1895 George Edge Bombay Burials 73 134
(and Army Chaplain Returns 480)
I wish to obtain further details such as the names of their parents please.
I am resending as three times this message has failed to reach the list
----- Original Message -----
From: Edna Palmer
To: india list
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:50 AM
Subject: Major P or C G Borrowman
I have had a request from a person on the BBC family history website as follows and would like to see if anyone has information on this painting.
It may be also useful for any family members to know of its existence.
Hi, just wondered if anyone knows of a Major PG Borrowman 4th P W O gurkha rifles around 1923 India. I have a watercolour signed by him. Would love to hear from anyone who has any info on him. Picture in my family for decades, always wanted to know more about him. Thanks for any info. picture of temple in chamba area, not far from his regiment station an bakloh
Hi folks - a couple or 3 weeks ago I posted a request for a look up in the ?
V12 series at the APAC for Osmond Herbert ELIOT who was something in the
Police in Calcutta or other part of Bengal. As I have had a nil response,
thought I would try asking again - (fingers crossed)
As these records haven't been filmed by the LDS, unfortunately I can't do it
myself in Sydney.
Could someone help me with deciphering the above
>>Marriage at Darjeeling 11th October 1852.
2 Mr Sergt 74th BHJ, >>
Also, on a record an ancestor is described as a "Native of India',
would that mean Indian ancestry, or born in India?
He is described a having "Black complexion"
Also, this was his rank and regiment, Sgt Mjr 7th NI . I seem to
remember reading that if he had rank in the Native Infantry, he was
European? Could someone please put me on the right track with this
From: "Eli Gardner" <eas59(a)hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:52:10 +0800
The life of Col William Linaeus Gardner has been very well documented in
Squire of Hindoostan" by Narindar Saroop. Subsequently the Gardner
tree was very well researched whilst determining who was the current
the title. The current family tree is now published in Debrett's Peerage
Baronetage. My father in law is a Gardner and has memories of visiting
village of Khasgunge. I have a full updated copy of the family tree and
can also be viewed in Debretts if anyone is interested.
> Could someone help me with deciphering the above
> abbreviation please?
>>>Marriage at Darjeeling 11th October 1852.
> 2 Mr Sergt 74th BHJ, >>
> Also, on a record an ancestor is described as a "Native of India',
> would that mean Indian ancestry, or born in India?
> He is described a having "Black complexion"
> Also, this was his rank and regiment, Sgt Mjr 7th NI . I seem to
> remember reading that if he had rank in the Native Infantry, he was
> European? Could someone please put me on the right track with this
A. Almost certainly Qr Mr Serjt. 74th BNI = Quarter Master Serjeant 74th
Bengal Native Infantry.
B. Serjeant Major was indeed normally a rank reserved for European NCO's.
Havildar Major was the Indian equivalent. Especially assuming that his name
was a European one, he would not be considered fully native Indian. My guess
is that 'Native of India' meant that he was born there. The date is not
mentioned but, if in the very late 19th or 20th century, he might have been
Families in British India Society
> Will have a look at the site to follow up but it is down at present.
> As regards the Prize Rolls, my man was not Army he was EIC and shared
> Bhurtpore Prize money as Major sometime around 1824.
Actually, it does look as if he was in the EIC Army, probably the Bengal
Army, if he was awarded Prize Money as a Major for the Bhurtpore campaign,
You might well find the index to his 'Cadet Papers' by going to the
www.a2a.org.uk website, then entering the relevant surname into the search
box, then selecting British Library, Asia, Pacific and Africa Collections in
the Location Box.
Hope this helps.
Families in British India Society
Thank you for your response.
Will have a look at the site to follow up but it is down at present.
As regards the Prize Rolls, my man was not Army he was EIC and shared Bhurtpore Prize money as Major sometime around 1824.
Kate (Sydney, Australia)
My family comes from Lahore and Karachi (Pakistan), British India. Where
would I find information on the two cities? I noticed there is nothing to
be found on the "India roots website" or am I looking in the wrong place?
Please help me continue my research. Thanks you, Bylinda Mason
>A few days ago, Kate asked:
>> Would someone please explain, what was the purpose of a Bond, who paid
>> them, to whom, for what amount.
>> I am searching the British Library Collections and am trying to find the
>> various areas where my ancestor might be found.
> I have just put an a fuller explanation on the FIBIWiki at:
The amounts varied according to circumstances but a couple of hundred pounds
was usual in the earl;yu stages going up to £500 later.
>> I have his service record but the Prize Rolls on FIBIS are not early
> However, this statement looks as if he was in the Army and so no Bond
> have necessary in his case
> Good Hunting!
> Peter Bailey
> Families in British India Society
Thank you very much for your reply. Getting the spelling of these placenames
correct gives me a starting point, whereas previously I was floundering
(probably still am :-) It's not often Google lets one down. I'll give it
another go with the correct spellings.
Researching GOMERY/GOMORY/GOMORI and GUMERY/GUMMERE/GUMMERY worldwide.
GOMERY One-Name Study (GOONS #3034)
On 30/05/07, Arvind Kolhatkar <akolhatkar(a)rogers.com> wrote:
> Linda, Perhaps the following will help you to focus your intended
I am back to the list after a period away, but still actively searching for this family.
The children are:-
John William Thomas VAUGHAN born 1879, Sitabaldi, West Bengal
Caroline Daisy Harriet VAUGHAN, born 1882, Rangoon, West Bengal
Laura Elizabeth Hannah VAUGHAN, born 1884, Rangoon, West Bengal
Lilley Margaret Maud VAUGHAN, born 1885, Madras, Tamil Nadu
Joseph Charles Ealy VAUGHAN, born 1887, Bellary, Tamil Nadu
Winifred Gertrude Rachel VAUGHAN, born 1890, Kodaikand, Tamil Nadu
Caroline married John MESTON at St Thomas Mount in 1904 and Lilley married Reginald VERNON at St Thomas Mount in 1905. Both couples ended up in Coventry, England. Both husbands were army men. Reginald being in the Royal Field Artillery.
What happened to the others? Lilley and Reginald were my grandparents. I never met either of them, and have no photographs of them. I would love to hear from the descendants of any of these VAUGHANs wherever you are.
Researching VERNON, VAUGHAN, BROWNING, ARATHOON, COOKE & GALE in India
Hello from Australia. George Alfred Benjamin WILSON-FORSTER-RYTON was in the British Army in India, circa 1920. He "dropped" the WILSON-FORSTER part and enlisted as RYTON.
George married Noreen FORDY in 1940 and I wonder if anyone is researching this line?
Cheers, Bob in Melbourne
To: <INDIA(a)rootsweb.com <mailto:INDIA@rootsweb.com> >
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:03:58 +0100
Subject: Wheeler Gomes and Chaves
As my emails to the Chaves family in Australia have been bounced back, I
would be grateful for anyone linked to the Wheeler Gomes or Chaves families
of Calcutta. I am keen to learn more about my mother's father, Harold
Henderson Clarke, who apparently ran the tote at the Calcutta Race track,
and was a billiards and bridge champion. He died tragically young in 1930
Elsie Chaves, born Gomes, was the sister of my maternal grandmother Ellen
Celest Wheeler Gomes - they lived in Calcutta.
Elsie married Harry Chaves, according to my aunt Leonie.
Ellen, my grandma, married Harold Henderson Clarke and they had three
daughters: my mother, Veronica Blanche, and her sisters Gloria Victoria
Marie and Leonie Joyce (who is still alive). All three eventually came to
the UK, although my aunt, Gloria, who worked in India for Group Capt Leonard
Cheshire, died shortly after arrival.
I am the only child of my mother's marriage to my father Sydney Saunter.
Gloria married James Marshall and had two children, Christine and Michael.
Leonie married Stan Pilgrim and had one child, Mark
Any leads to family connections and history gratefully received.
Can someone please look up George Hugh Rider, presumably in the Civil List
(Burma?) 1878 - 1904
Postmaster Thayetmyo 1879
Governor, Insein Prison date unknown
other possible locations :- Andamans
married Anna Winifred de Niese 1879 at Holy Trinity Rangoon
daughter Minette Ethel baptised at St John the Baptist Thayetmyo 1880
I forgot to mention that George Martin MacHutchin 1865-1894 married Edith
Mary Vans Agnew Lawson on 26th April 1890 at St. Georges Cathedra., Madras.
Her father was Sir Charles Allen Lawson, owner and publisher of the Madras
If anybody is researching the Lawson family I would love to hear from them.
There is no such thing as a silly question in genealogy. Please accept my apologies for not making it totally clear.
FHO stands for www.familyhistoryonline.net which is a really useful resource. Its free and its fantastic - have a look and you'll understand.
Danny Winter HALL
HALL (Galway), HARRIS, IVES(Surrey), POTE(Cornwall), BALLS, CARPENTER (Surrey), ROSSER (Swansea), Atherton (Wales), THOMAS (Swansea), 65th, RN (1800s), RA.
FIBIS are pleased to announce the publication of the notices of arrivals
and departures to and from Bombay for the period 1816 to 1852 taken from
the Bombay Calendar. This adds to the run for Madras from 1810-1860.
The new Bombay arrivals and departures can be searched here
Or the entire collection can be searched at http://search.fibis.org.
As a matter of note, this new publication now means that we have over
1/2 million people in the FIBIS databases, a great testament to all the
FIBIS volunteers (over 60 at last count) who spend a lot of time
transcribing these records.
FIBIS database Administrator
PS There is no 1821 and no 1839. Copies of the Bombay Calendar for these
years are not in the BL and do not appear in any other libraries that we
are is aware of. If anyone knows of any copies of these then we would
be grateful if they could let us know.