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Dear List Manager,
Can you help this man please. I don't have a working e-mail address for you so have sent it to the list.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 10:00 AM
Subject: Contact problems with INDIA List
As per the subject line, I am experiencing problem with the list and have not received any postings since 14 Sep 04.
I have tried to contact the administrator John F' but all attempts have resulted in 'Failed to deliver' messages. So in desperation,
I wondered, and would greatly appreciate if you could, in a spare(?) moment pass my dilemma on to John, to be reinstated on the list?
This request is the result of much frustration, and my ISP is unable to provide me with any reason for the non deliveries other than the 'famous' "...problem's at the other end!"
I am also hoping to come along to the gathering at Kings Park on 11 Oct 04, all depends on my wife's work roster.
Syd C. Nagle
Postal Address: Residential Address:
PO Box 1083 6 Desmond Place
Cloverdale WA 6985 Rivervale WA 6103
Phone: 08 9470 1852 Mobile: 0419 498 619
Hope this helps someone:
REYNOLDS, Charles Alwin, parents Walter Cecil & Lilian
FRANCIS, Joseph Arthur, parents Harry and Vinny
GOMES, Ivy Muriel, parents Walter Edwin & Ethel Amelia
MASCARENHAS, Antao Feleciano Socorro (male) parents Antonio & Louisa
These baptisms were at RC Church, Our Blessed Lady of Dolours, Boitakhana,
I have dates of birth and baptism and addresses.
I look for Philip, Andrew and Patrick, sons of Edwards DARTNELL and Brenda.
Edwards DARTNELL was Brigadier General (r) of Indian Army He lived GOA.
British Gurkhas win UK citizenship
KATHMANDU, Sept 29 - The British government Wednesday, announced change in
the UKs immigration policy that would allow Nepali Gurkhas serving in the
British Army to stay as citizens in Britain, ending three years of legal
A British Embassy source told the Post, that British Prime Minister Tony
Blair announced the "new immigration" policy.
A statement issued by the Embassy said, the British Ambassador to Nepal
Keith Bloomfield, briefed the government prior to making the announcement.
"We are delighted with the outcome of this review, which again reinforces
the British Governments commitment to the Brigade of Gurkhas," the
statement quoted Bloomfield as saying.
However, the statement is not clear if the same rule applies to ex-
Gurkhas. Secretary at the Ministry of Defense Bishnu Dutt Upreti told the
Post, that during the governments consultation with British officials,
they had agreed to grant citizenship to ex-Gurkhas.
The announcement comes after Dr. Moonie, then Under Secretary of State in
the British Ministry of Defense, undertook in March 2003, to examine
immigration arrangements for Gurkhas.
The statement said, there are currently 3,400 Gurkhas serving in the
British Army based mainly in UK, and the Gurkhas regularly serve in Iraq,
Afghanistan, Sierra Leone and the Balkans.
Britain has recruited Gurkhas since 1815. According to an AFP report,
about 700 ex-Gurkhas are believed to have already settled in the UK. It is
estimated that the Brigade of Gurkhas, is the fourth largest foreign
currency earner for the Nepalese economy.
From Military - 45th Regiment Fiche, Secunderabad
Proceedings of a Regimental Board held in conformity to the articles of war, for the purposes of verifying and recording the services, conduct, character and causes of discharge of No 73 William WRIGHT, Private, of 45th Regiment of Foot.
Poonamallee 25 Oct 1837
President - Major St Lawrence Webb
Members - Captain I Macintire
- Captain T Pigott
I could not help notice your reference to Cannanore and wonder if I may ask
My g-g-g- grandfather Lt. Col John Edwards (Circa 1777 - 1817) was stationed
there along with at Tellicherry and Quilon witht he 80th Foot Stafforshire
Volunteers. I was wondering if there was any reference to him at all in the
Lt. Col. John Edwards (Circa 1777 - 1817)
From the British Army Lists:
· 14.9.1793 Commissioned Ensign 80th Foot Regiment
· 5.3.1794 Lieutenant
· 28.4.1797 Captain-Lt & Captain
· 12.5.1809 Major
· 4.6.1814 Lt Colonel
A private researcher in England found that the Muster Book of the 80th Foot
shows that John joined the Regiment on 14 September 1793 as an Ensign.
Unfortunately details of his birthplace were not mentioned although it is
suspected that he came from near Staffordshire and his family would have
been a comfortable county family as commissions to the Army in those days
had to be bought.
The dates and brief history of his movements taken from the Statement of
Service from the Public Record Office are as follows:
· 1793 Chatham
· 1794 Guernsey
· 1794-95 Campaign in the Low Countries
· 1795 Isle Dieu Expedition France
· 1796-97 Capetown
· 1797-1801 Trincomalee, Ceylon
· 1801-02 Egypt, Detachments at Malabar Coast
· 1802-03 Madras, Detachment at Poonamalee
· 1803-04 Operations in Southern Marhatta country
· 1805 Wynaud, Cannanore, South India
· 1807-09 Seringapatnam, South India
· 1808 2 months leave
· 1809-11 Cannanore, South India
· 1811-13 Seingapatnam, South India
· 1813-17 Quillon, South India
Original Returns showing the state of the Regiment rendered by the
Commanding Officer to the War Office completed every year in December were
checked and the following details were located:
· 1803-05 and 1807 show Captain John Edwards present for duty.
· The return for 1808 shows him as sick at Malabar.
· 1810 shows him as Major promoted 12 May 1809 'present for duty.
· The returns for 1811,1813 and 1815 show him as continuing as 2nd Major and
present for duty.
· In December 1816 he is shown as 3rd Lieutenant Colonel, promoted on 16
October 1816, on leave in Cannanore.
· The return dated 1 March 1817 includes his name in an appendix as having
died on 6 February 1817.
· The Regimental Digest shows numerous deaths in the Regiment due to
sickness during the tour in Seringapatnam and Quillon between 1811-1817.
The Statement of Service dated 15 August 1810 at Cannanore - coincidentally
137 years before Indian Independence - provides the following details:
· Ensign 80th Foot - 6 months in England and Guernsey
· Lieutenant 80th Foot - 3 years and 2 months. On the Continent with His
Royal Highness the Duke of York in 1794 and 1795; present at the siege of
Nimuguen and in an action with the French at Theul near Bommel in Holland.
· 1796 at the Cape of Good Hope present at the capture of the Dutch fleet at
· 1797 arrived at Trincomallee in the East Indies. Had two months leave of
absence in 1795.
· Captain 80th Foot - 12 years and 6 months. 1801 went on an expedition to
Egypt under Major General D. Baird. 1802 returned to the East Indies. 1803
and 1804 employed under Major General Campbell on the Marhatta Frontiers and
in the Wynaud in the latter end of 1804 and 1805. Had two months leave of
absence in 1808.
· Major 80th Foot - 10 months. In Malabar.
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Dear John, Joyce, De,, and very belatedly, Harshwarden,
thank you for that information, and every time I look at that charming
engraving I will remember that I could have looked this up for myself (and
on Google!) and also chide myself for the number of times I have read a
letter and thought "Why don't they look on Google first!"
My thanks for the help,
PS. But I wonder here it really is?
Subject: RE: [India-L] Non Gene.. Besseley Gaut
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:27:16 +0100
you do not specify, but after a brief internet search it seems that this
picture is from Viscount Valentia's well known travel books
(http://www.antiqueprints.com/proddetail.php?prod=e0768&cat=34), so if
anyone has volume 1 (which covers India) it may be possible to identify it
I assume that Gaut is in fact Ghat (a place next to a river where activities
- religious, domestic and commercial - are performed). Besseley does remind
me of a document of my grand father's which I had to decipher, in which he
stated that one of his uncles died in Blessary in the 1840s. This turned
out to be Bellary. Is there a Ghat at Bellary which may be the subject of
Surf the net and talk on the phone with Xtra JetStream @
Sorry to trouble you, but would the kind person doing the lookups on the
above see if there are any JOHNSTON's listed. I think there should be six, but
Researching:WARMAN/JOHNSTON/WARMAN-JOHNSTON/REYNOLDS in Calcutta up to
In 1986 a publication was brought out listing some important churches of Tamil Nadu (Madras Presidency by the Arch Bishop of Mylapore which included St Mary's Co-Cathedral's history.
I quote " In those bygone days, 350 years ago St Mary's was a small chapel erected in the cemetery of the area then referred to as Black Town, now known as George Town. It remained as an insignificant cemetery chapel for 2 centuries, until the British came to power. The Catholics were assigned to worship in this chapel instead of St Mary's in the Fort. The chapel was renovated and extended and eventually became a Cathedral. The Parish of St Mary's at that time had two sub-stations; one was St Anthony's Church, Park Town and the other was St John's at Davidson Street, George Town"
This was St John's Chapel ( as related to me by a venerable old nun associated with St.Columbia's Anglo Indian School, down the next street.
In 2003 a book brought out by the Dept.of the Library & Information Sciences mentions that Catholic Church Archives of Archdiocese of Madras - Mylapore have been microfilmed in colloboration with the Genealogical Society of Utah, all B M Ds The list is available they say at htttp://www.ozemail.com.au . Incidentally, when asked about these records, I was informed that aMr Peter Bailey in UK has all this information.! I then advised a lister to contact you.
People remember you from an article " Search for the Past at the Mount (Madras Musings 2000) The Hindu"
From LDS film # 0498541 index to marriages 1936-1945..
Robert C. Vol# 579 folio# 37
Harold P. Vol# 605 folio# 111
Kathleen E. Vol# 627 folio# 163
May F. Vol# 626 folio# 257.
That's all there were..
From LDS film # 0498541 index to marriages 1936-1945..
There were no HARCOURT-COOZE listings , But found the following - hope they might help..
Harcourt, Patricia C. Vol# 605 folio# 19
Walter S. Vol# 613 folio# 191
Margaret C. Vol# 617 folio# 152 and Vol# 617 folio# 176
Ralph A. Vol# 619 folio# 136 .
hope this helps some ..
From LDs film # 0498541 index to marriages 1936-1945..
Elizabeth Vol# 571 folio# 37
Joseph A. Vol# 575 folio# 43
1938--Cecila Vol# 589 folio# 16
Eric Vol# 599 folio# 36
Mavis W. Vol# 597 folio# 20
Nellie C. Vol# 595 folio# 40
Thomas A. M. Vol# 601 folio# 66
1942- Madeline M. Vol# 614 folio# 232 .
that's all there were ..