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Mary Margaret, 'swifteam(a)aol.com', has asked for the following info:
<.My gggrandfather after fighting in the Mahratta Wars for some years was
Asst. to the Supt. of Pusa Stud 1809-11. I can find no info re Pusa - except
that it now seems to be a gov't Agricultural Station. Would you know
anything about the Pusa Stud - I am wondering if it was set up (when) to
breed horses for the Army- Native or Br.?>
(She had put the same query to the List in July 2003.)
The Pusa Institute in Delhi has been a famous agricultural research center
for long. Starting from that point I came upon the site of the Rajendra
Agriculture University in Bihar at
http://bihar.nic.in/Depts/Agriculture/RAU_PUSA.htm, which gives the
<The main campus of the university is located at Pusa in North Bihar where
once stood the Imperial Agricultural Research Institute. The name Pusa is
already a legend in Agricultural terminology of the world. The history of
Pusa dates back to July 5,1984 (sic) more than 200 years ago when a stud
farm was established here. Subsequently the aforesaid farm was converted
into a Tobacco Experimental Farm. In 1902 a scheme was mooted out to
establish a cattle breeding and dairy farm to which was added the proposal
for the establishment of Agricultural Research Station and Agricultural
The Scheme however, started taking shape in 1904 when Lord Curzon, the then
Governor General and Viceroy of India laid the foundation stone of the
College. The Agricultural Research Institute owned its inception to the
generosity of Mr. Henry Phipps, an American millionaire and philanthropist,
who in 1903 placed at the disposal of Lord Curzon a handsome donation to be
devoted to Scientific farm research in this part of the world. There is a
legend that the name of the place Pusa is the abbreviated form of Phipps of
U.S.A. (Pusa) but many people say that the name of the village pusa existed
A proposal came from the Government of Bengal in 1905 (at that time Bihar
and Orissa were part of Bengal Presidency) that a large Government estate in
Darbhanga District should be utilized to set up an Agricultural Research
Institute. The Government of India then took over the Estate and Henry
Phipps donated first & 20,000/- and then another 10,000/- to help Lord
Curzon, set up the Institute.
After the great earthquake of 1934, the Institute was subsequently shifted
to the present site in New Delhi where even today it is popularly known as
Pusa Institute. >
Apart from giving a lot of interesting info about the origins of the Pusa
Institute, the site of the Rajendra Agriculture University also provides a
glimpse into the Stud Farm, from which it all started. The Stud Farm was at
Pusa since 1784 - there is an obvious error in the extract above - which, in
the course of time morphed into an agricultural research station. It also
suggests an origin for the name 'Pusa'.
The suggestion that 'pusa' stands for 'Phipps of USA' makes sense to me for
two reasons. There was < a large Government estate in Darbhanga District
should be utilized to set up an Agricultural Research Institute.> No native
name of a village where the estate stood has been mentioned, probably
because it was developed on virgin land. 'Pusa' sounds very un-Indian and,
at least to me, does not feel like the native name of an Indian village.
But why would Henry Phipps of USA come forward to donate Rs 30,000 to this
Institute? Searching for 'Henry Phipps' on Google, I came across a lot of
information about him/his son named Henry Carnegie Phipps. Henry Phipps was
an old buddy of Andrew Carnegie and one of the first investors/employees in
the latter's steel business. A small investment of $800 made by him turned
into a fortune which made him and his descendents into multi-millionaires.
He was a philanthropist of note and many of his endowments carry his name
till date. Apparently, agriculture/botany was one of his interests. Phipps
Conservatory, a gift to the City of Pittsburgh by him, is one of them. He
was also a frequent visitor to Scotland. The site
has the following to say about his Scottish connection:
< Phipps, the son of an immigrant cobbler from England, was born in
Philadelphia and grew up to be one of the world's wealthiest men. He worked
with Carnegie's iron and steel empire for 35 years and, on the death of
Carnegie's brother Tom, had the second largest financial interest in the
As both men's wealth grew, they spent an increasing amount of time in the UK
and much of it in the Highlands.
While Carnegie was renovating his castle at Skibo, where he entertained the
likes of Rudyard Kipling and King Edward VII, Phipps was often in residence
at Beaufort Castle, near Beauly, the one-time home of Lord Lovat.
Phipps took considerable interest in the area and made several charitable
donations to local causes. His name is best remembered, however, for the
creation of the Phipps Institute in Beauly, 12 miles from Inverness, which
is now marking its centenary. >
His son Henry Carnegie Phipps married in 1907 Gladys Livingston Mills, an
avid rider and horsewoman. From Henry Carnegie Phipps the connection of
the Phipps with horse-breeding appears to have started. (The famous horse
'Seabiscuit' was a product of their stud. The family's connection with
horse-breeding and racing continues till this day.)
Thus, either Henry Phipps (because of his Scottish connection and interest
in botany) or his son Henry Carnegie Phipps (because of his interest in
horse-breeding) might have been persuaded by some acquaintance to donate a
small - to them - sum of Rs. 30,000 to a proposed new agricultural research
center/cattle breeding/dairy farm in far-away India. (I cannot make a
choice between the two.) He would have been told that their name would, in
some way, be connected to the new station. That led to the coining of the
This is conjecture on my part but it has a lot of circumstantial evidence to
make it plausible. I could not locate anything else that would suggest that
'Pusa' is a much older name.
Arvind Kolhatkar, Toronto, July 01, 2004.
At the site http://www.york.ac.uk/inst/irs/irshome/papers/robert2.htm I came across the following interesting pieces about Indian Railways:
The Darjeeling Himalayan Railway:
< Darjeeling, sited at an elevation of over 2000 metres in the eastern Himalayas, was the first hill station of British India and also the first to be served by rail. The origins of Darjeeling and its railway are part of the expansion of British India during the last decades of East India Company rule. By the early nineteenth century the EIC was the dominant power in northern India and frequently intervened in disputes between Indian princes. Such intervention on behalf of the Raja of Sikkim in 1829 resulted in EIC officers exploring the then almost uninhabited Darjeeling area. They were impressed, both with its military significance, commanding a pass into Nepal; and with its potential as a cool-climate sanatorium which was not too far from Calcutta, then capital of both the Bengal Presidency and British India as a whole. The Governor-General, Lord William Bentinck, was an enthusiastic westerniser, so ordered negotiations with the Raja of Sikkim with a view to its acquisiti!
on. The Raja ceded the district to the Company in 1833, and in return was granted an annual allowance. Subsequent annexations in the early 1850s made Darjeeling, previously an EIC enclave in Sikkim, contiguous with the Company's Bengal Presidency.
Darjeeling grew rapidly under British rule.The population was only about 100 in 1839 but reached 10,000 a decade later. The Hill Cart Road, so named because it was graded so that a bullock cart could climb it, was built from Siliguri on the plains. Sanatoriums and schools were established, and settlers came to the district from the plains of the Bengal Presidency and Nepal. The cultivation of tea, for which Darjeeling has become famous, began in the early 1840s. At that time, China had close to a monopoly on Europe's tea supplies, so seeds were brought to Darjeeling to begin the industry. British planters were leased land by the EIC on very favourable terms and labourers, used to working at high altitudes, recruited from Nepal. Despite the Hill Cart Road, transport remained the district's great problem. Railway construction on the plains between 1858 and 1878, partly by the broad-gauge Eastern Bengal Railway (EBR) and partly by the metre-gauge state-owned Northern Bengal Rai!
lway (NBR), connected Calcutta with Siliguri, at the foot of the Himalayas. This made travel easier for Europeans, who could afford the fares, but did little to encourage further growth in Darjeeling. In the late 1870s, rice, the population's staple, was sold in Siliguri for 98 rupees per ton, but for 240 rupees in Darjeeling.
Neither the EBR nor the NBR could see how they could extend their lines to Darjeeling, although it was the putative destination of both. Franklin Prestage, the local agent of the EBR, worked out the scheme for the building a narrow-gauge (two-foot or 600mm) light railway to Darjeeling. In 1878, the year of the opening of the NBR line to Siliguri, he wrote a persuasive proposal to build the line. There would be a Bengal Government guarantee, which would ensure security for investors, but in return the railway company would be obliged to pay the Government for maintenance of the Hill Cart Road out of its profits. The contract was signed on 8 April 1879 and less than a year later the first train ran from Siliguri to Tindharia. Lord Lytton, the Viceroy and an investor in the Darjeeling Steam Tramway Company (its name was changed to the Darjeeling Himalayan Railway in September 1881) travelled on the first train. The line was opened in stages, reaching the summit at Ghoom (7,402 !
feet or 2,256 metres) on 4 April 1881 and the terminus exactly three months later.
The technological inspiration for the line was not any Indian precedent - the two-foot gauge Baroda Railways were worked by bullocks and laid across flat terrain - but the Ffestiniog Railway in Wales. It had been converted successfully from horse to steam operation in 1868. The big difference was that the Ffestiniog's freight traffic was nearly all downhill. The commodity - slate - was also very heavy in relation to its volume, so considerable tonnages could be conveyed in small wagons. The DHR would be carting rice and other supplies up the hill and teas down it. Moreover, there would be a sizeable passenger and mail traffic. The railway did have one big advantage over the Ffestiniog. This was a far more generous loading gauge, permitting larger locomotives and other rolling stock, but it also had much steeper grades - up to 1 in 20 compared with the Ffestiniog's 1 in 50. The average grade over the 64 kilometres between Sukna, where the DHR leaves the plains, and the summit!
at Ghoom is 1 in 30.5.
The DHR does not feature any grand structures. In fact, the whole point of the line's engineering was precisely to avoid the expense of such features. This is in contrast with two of the later Indian hill railways. The metre-gauge Nilgiri Railway, completed in 1908, features sixteen tunnels, 27 steel and stone bridges and heavy earthworks, including a half tunnel where the line is cut into a cliff. The 2' 6" gauge Kalka-Simla line has no less than 103 tunnels, and numerous large stone viaducts. The remarkable features of the DHR are its steep grades and cheap but effective expedients its engineers adopted to enable it to climb so much in so short a distance. These included, at the time of its opening, four loops, where the line climbed in a circle above itself, and four zig-zags. A new loop, the famous Batasia double loop, was built in 1919 to eliminate the 1 in 20 section between Ghoom and Darjeeling, and in 1943 one of the lower loops was replaced by a zig-zag, of which th!
ere are now five. Curvature is very severe, with the sharpest having a radius of just 59 feet (18 metres). Some of the more alarmingly located sites have been graced with names like Agony Point and Sensation Corner, although the smallest of the Indian hill railways, the Matheran line near Bombay, probably has the most entertainingly named engineering feature - One Kiss Tunnel. For most of its route the DHR follows the Hill Cart Road, which it crosses 132 times.
Estimated to cost 1,400,000 rupees, Prestage completed the DHR for 1,700,000 rupees which, considering the untried nature of the enterprise, was a good result. It was a profitable line from the start, and until nationalisation in 1948 never needed the to call on the government guarantee. Revenue and traffic both grew rapidly, along with the Darjeeling district's economy as a whole. Darjeeling's cool climate assured a steady stream of mostly European first-class passengers, while the necessity to ship rice into the district and the growth of tea planting meant that there was plenty of freight flowing in both directions. Typical traffic figures during the first two decades of the twentieth century were around 250,000 passengers and 60,000 tons of freight conveyed per annum. Motor traffic began to eat into the passenger traffic during the 1920s. Passenger revenue declined from 475,000 rupees in 1926-7 to 237,000 rupees in 1931-2, but freight traffic and then wartime demands kep!
t the railway's finances buoyant. However, the railway has never really recovered from the effects of Partition in 1947, which led to its railway connections with the rest of India being severed for a period. Even as traffic to Darjeeling revived, most of it began to go by road, as trucks and buses improved. For the DHR, for all its charms, was and remains a slow railway, the fastest train covering its now 88 kilometres (including the eight kilometre extension on the plains from Siliguri to New Jalpaiguri) in eight hours and 25 minutes. Today freight traffic has been lost and passenger figures are down to around 100,00 per annum. Despite this, its current owners, the Northeast Frontier Railway,as well as the Indian Government as a whole, appear to be strongly committed to maintaining operations on the line, both because of its heritage and tourist value, and because of the employment it provides.(11)
Despite its small size, this is a very significant railway in any terms. It has helped make Darjeeling synonymous with quality tea, by breaking the transport bottleneck which inhibited the district's growth in the late nineteenth century. It was the first hill railway of its type, and so was the precedent for the later Nilgiri, Simla and Matheran lines in India, as well as for railways such as the Darlat line in Vietnam and the Maymyo line in Burma. It demonstrated, even more startlingly than the conversion of the Festiniog to steam operation had done, what could be done with a very narrow gauge railway in terms of the traffic that could be conveyed, the economy of construction, and the terrain that could be overcome.
From its inception, the DHR was widely recognised as a remarkable railway. There was even an article on it in the very first issue of The Railway Magazine in 1897. In heritage terms, the railway is well-preserved, and the changes have not damaged its value. The station at Darjeeling is a mid-twentieth century art deco folly, but most of the larger intermediate stations remain much as they were at the line's opening. The locomotives working the line to this day are all to a design thought out by Prestage, based on experimentation with rebuilding the line's first locomotives. Thirty-two of these class B 0-4-0 saddle tank locomotives were delivered between 1887 and 1927, and about twenty are still working on the line. This continuity in motive power adds to the railway's heritage value.
Despite its small scale, the engineering, social, political and economic impact of the DHR are significant enough to justify its place on any list of important railways. However, what really makes the DHR outstanding is its relationship to the landscape through which it passes. The railway begins on the plains of West Bengal and soon begins climbing through a remnant of lowland jungle, including stands of teak. As the railway climbs, so the flora changes, and its upper sections are dominated by enormous Himalayan pines, which in misty weather give a surreal quality to the landscape. As the railway climbs, it frequently hugs the edge of hillsides with drops, often of thousands of feet, to the plains and valleys below. Towering over the entire scene is the perennially snow-covered bulk of Kanchenjunga, at 28,146 feet (8,579 metres) the third highest mountain in the world. From Kurseong (49 kilometres from Siliguri at an elevation of 4,846 feet or 1,524 metres) the railway offe!
rs frequent views of this stupendous mountain, which by Ghoom dominates the entire landscape. Thus, from the tiny train, the passenger can look down onto the stifling tropical plains Bengal or up into the eternal snows of the highest peaks of the Himalayas. No railway anywhere else offers such a sight.>
The Victoria Terminus, Bombay:
<The station is Victoria Terminal, Bombay. I have been unable to find any thorough description of the station and, in particular, its extraordinarily rich iconography. Few secular structures anywhere, and certainly no other railway station of which I am aware, are so richly and meaningfully decorated. The statue of its eponymous monarch which crowns its dome is, of course, celebrated, constituting a confident imperial statement if ever there was one. However, this is just one of very many reliefs and busts with which the lower parts of the station are adorned. The station's architectural promiscuity, in which Mughal, Saracenic, Gothic and Renaissance styles are riotously blended, similarly makes grand, sweeping statements about how the British Empire in India conceived itself, and the important role of the railway in maintaining that image in the second half of the nineteenth century. The size of the station; its commanding presence even in a city offering as much stimulatio!
n for the eye as Bombay; its importance as the terminus of the Great Indian Peninsula Railway; and its continuous and intensive use since its completion in 1887; all these contribute to its significance. Precisely because it is utilitarian as well as symbolic, and stunningly effective in both roles, it has claims to be regarded as the most significant building the British ever erected in India.>
For a recent photo of VT in Bombay, please go to http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=www.mumbainet.com/travel/images/cst...
Bhor Ghat Reversing Station as a heritage site:
<The Bhore Ghat section, where the Great Indian Peninsula Railway's Bombay-Poona line climbed onto the Deccan plateau, included a reversing station - half a zig-zag as it were - from its opening in 1865 until 1928. However, the realignment of 1928 has much diluted this railway's heritage value. Unlike the Great Zig Zag in Australia, little of the Bhore Ghat's original alignment survives.>
For a photo of the Reversing Station, please go to http://www.irfca.org/photos/Heritage/gipr_reversing_station
Arvind Kolhatkar, Toronto, July 01, 2004
I am looking for information relating to the The Battye family who were in India in the early 1900's. Some of the names I know are Wigram, Quentin, Richmond, Fred Drummond, Wynyard.
They were part of the Corps of Guides.
I believe there is a book about the family written by Evelyn Desiree Battye, called ''The Fighting Ten'' but it is out of print. Does anyone know where I could locate a copy, please.
Any info would be gratefully received
Subject: Re: [India-L] Help with searching Glasgow/Lanark 1854
No afraid not - I note that you presumed that they were catholic as
daughter became a nun - but there are just as many protestant convents as
How about his will?? - they could tell me there that my grandfather died
intestate in India + the residual value of his estate in England in 1907 -
there must be the equivalent place for Scotland?
You must have the address for the gro in Scotland?
Are you sure they actually marrried? - I have not as yet found a marriage
cert for the gent above tho when he remarried he described himself as a
Have you joined a Scottish/Glasgow fhs group??
From: Sue Broomer
Date: 06/30/04 14:29:09
Subject: Re: [India-L] Help with searching Glasgow/Lanark 1854
The IGI record indicates the birth of their daughter to be in Lanark/Glasgow
so I think I am safe to look in that area first. Would you happen to know
about parish records?
Sue (nee deValadares)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [India-L] Help with searching Glasgow/Lanark 1854
According to my Mappoint there is also a Port Glasgow, Inverclyde Scotland -
Date: 06/30/04 12:51:58
Subject: [India-L] Help with searching Glasgow/Lanark 1854
I'm having a problem locating a marriage certificate for my GGGrandfather
Henri deValadares and his wife Elizabeth Callcott. He states on his first
daughters birth certificate that he married her in Glasgow in 1854. Since
one of his professions was "translator of foriegn languages" I would imagine
he understood the question given him when asked where the event took place.
I have been informed by the registry in Glasgow that they have no record of
it and that I must go to the parishes but how do I know which parishes to
search? Can anyone give me a hands up on this one? I believe they were
Catholic as one of his daughters later became a nun. There is a record of
his marrying Elizabeth in Calcutta in 1858 according to an IGI record but
this was without source information and so far I cannot find it either.
searching deValadares, Saubolle, Gardiner, Doughty
The following names of veterinary officers have been transcribed from "A History of the Royal Army Veterinary Corps 1796 - 1919" by Major-General Sir Frederick Smith (1927) Balliere,Tindall and Cox, London. Appendix V page 256-257.
Hope they are of use to somebody. There is additional information about some of the veterinarians in the book itself.
Afghan War 1839
RJG Hurford, W McDermott
Afghan War 1841-42
W McDermott, AC Hulse, WP Barrett, W. Edlin
Gwalior Campaign 1843
RJG Hurford, G Johnston, HC Hulse (sic), WP Barrett
Sikh War 1845-46
W Edlin, RJG Hurford, W McDermott
Sikh War 1848-49
RJ Hurford, AW Caldwell, HC Hulse, W McDermott. J Siddall, A Turnbull, J Harris, W Johnson
Indian Mutiny 1857
JS Stockley, H Withers, M Harpley, WB Lord, GI Rollings, C Saunderson, JB Skoulding, E Kelly, JB Hall.
AJ Owles, RJG Hurford, T Hurford, F Baily, HJ Parker, ES Grey, T Gudgin, W Partridge, H Dawson
RB Parry, J Harris, I Bicknell, HC Hulse, J Philips, R Willis, W Barrett, W McDermott, JR Hoey, AC Williams, J Siddall, W Johnson, A Turnbull, CJ Dawson, SM Jeffery, EG Chalwin, TT Page, FA Hely, JS Woods, V Nelson, C Henderson, JW Garrad, T Hickman, G Kettlewell, MJ Marshall, C Corker, RW Murray
Persian War 1857
H Dawson, W Lamb (Indian Service).
Will leave Afghan War 1878-80 until later.
Patricia Ellis in wintery Yarra Glen, Victoria, Australia
If anybody has come across a JOHN ANDREW THOMPSON during their research I
would be interested in any details.
My ggg grandfather JOHN ANDREW THOMPSON was born in England and according to
family history was a surveyor in India. He eventually came to New Zealand
and his younger son was born here in 1857.
On the LDS site the IGI shows a John Andrew Thompson as father to John
Andrew Thompson b 1850 and William Thompson b 1852 in Allahabad, West
Bengal. I know that my ancestor had an older son from his first marriage and
he was named John Andrew Thompson so this could fit in but I don't know any
more, including the name of his first wife and when he married his second
wife, ELIZABETH SAVAGE.
Thanks for any help
Many of the early surveyors to the Survey of India were in fact orphans
from the Madras Asylum recruited to the Revenue Survey school because they
were cheap, efficient, able to speak native languages, and were used to the
climate. The Army Officers, usually engineers, proved to be rather
expensive, unreliable and lacking in stamina, and would often return to
their regiment rather than continue with survey work.
My ancestor William Howell was one of the first such surveyors to be
recruited around 1800 after his father, a corporal in the Madras Invalids
died, and Major [as he then was, later Lt. Colonel] McKenzie recruited a
number of the brightest lads in the orphanage to the Survey School. The most
recent edition of the FIBIS journal carries a biography of William, but of
course the best way to learn of the Survey is to read Phillimores History of
the Survey of India published in four or five volumes - a copy of which
resides on the open shelves at the OIOC at the British Library.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Sellon" <andrew(a)sellon.vispa.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [India-L] Surveyor in India
> Pip -
> Certainly they could have a very uncomfortable and sometimes very
> I have not read the book or researched in any way into the Survey of
> although I have a Renny ancestor who was a surveyor under Col. Everest.
> Would I be right in thinking that many of the surveyors were from the
> presumably engineers?
> Yours Aye Andrew Sellon East Anglia
> Let us keep our promises in little things as well as in great. Rev. Sydney
> Smith 1771-1854, Canon of St. Paul's.
> From: "Philippa" <pwaterfield(a)lineone.net>
> > Although it won't help you specifically to find your ancestor, if you
> > an idea of the life which a surveyor in India led in the early 1800s,
> > could read the book by John Keay called 'The Great Arc'. A fascinating
> > account of the Survey of India, a little-known (nowadays anyway)
> > department within British India.
> ==== INDIA Mailing List ====
> There is lots of interesting browsing in Todd Mill's
> collection of internet links for military in India at:
> To unsubscribe from the INDIA List, send a message to
> INDIA-L-request(a)rootsweb.com that contains (in the body of the message)
the command unsubscribe and no additional text (not even a signature block).
Although it won't help you specifically to find your ancestor, if you wanted
an idea of the life which a surveyor in India led in the early 1800s, you
could read the book by John Keay called 'The Great Arc'. A fascinating
account of the Survey of India, a little-known (nowadays anyway) government
department within British India.
Thanks Lauren for making us aware of this service by FreeBMD - I've already had a look and it does work quite well
ALLEN, LYNCH, FARRELL in India
EDGERTON, WOODNUTT, VANDERVORD in England
MacGREGOR, ROBB, SIM/SYME in Scotland
From: Lauren Patey [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: 29 June 2004 13:58
Subject: FreeBMD info
Taken from the Cornish mailing list infor re data base info. I quote
I have seen on another list:
In order to add to the service that we already provide to the genealogical
community, FreeBMD has today made its scanned images of the GRO index
(previously available only to transcribers) available to the general public.
Prior to this move, viewing the indexes was only possible at libraries or
on pay-per-view internet sites.
Whilst FreeBMD doesn't yet have a complete set of images, the nearly
700,000 images that we do have represent a good proportion of the indexes
from 1837 to 1910, and we hope that people will find the facility useful.
The initial interface is somewhat crude, but further enhancements to this
new area of the site are planned, and we will announce them as they
Can anyone help me to locate the marriage records of Antonio (could be Anthony) GONSALVES married Mathilda MIRANDA sometime between 1840 and 1872 in Chittagong East Bengal.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Steve this is great...who would have
thought adding "and" would bring up so much info."Police and Pakistan "give
sorts, from serious to amusing.
Mrs B.L.Todd requests information on
the police examination.
Change of name.
Mr H.P.Walton ,Burmah Police, to Dalzell- Walton.
Accidental death of G.D.Folger assistant District Supt of Police , Burma
Frederick Jenkins asks for the exact details of why he was considered
medically unfit for the Police service.
Clifford B. Bretelle asks if a stammer
would would disqualify him from the
Indian Police or Forrest Services.
Edward Ellis Turner, reports his teeth
are now in order making him fit for
the Indian police.
Mr I.O'Neill enquires whether non- existant teeth in the case of Police
candidates would be counted as "lost" teeth.
Edward Ellis Turner informs his teeth have now been put in order making him
fit for the Indian Police service.
Well....Its ovious to me now, that my police ancestors had great teeth.
I also tried "Education Dept.and Pakistan "
and found a snippet on another ancestor.
Many, many thanks Harshawardhar,
you've posted a fabulous site - what a treat !
And thank you to various people explaining the
historical background for caste/class system operating
in India since time immemorial. I am now better
No doubt those involved in the "freedom struggle of
1857-58" mentioned in the recent posting reg. Chunar
Fort were absolved by their caste/class authorities
from having eaten "the salt" of their military
fraternity, and therefore could not be considered as
having mutinied ?
No wonder some of their Officers were heartbroken and
were known to have cried to discover their valued men
had turned against them, having defended them to
fellow Officers. Perhaps those same caste/class
authorities omitted to let them know that a "freedom
struggle" was about to take place ?
All is fair in love and war, but I object to political
comments being introduced on what is meant to be a
genealogical research list, and reserve my right to
defend the character and background of my Anglo-Indian
family. Many Indians and Anglo-Indians chose not to
participate in this so-called "freedom struggle", and
saved those they could.
If a participant of this List finds difficulty in
writing the words "Indian Mutiny", I can accept that.
Perhaps they could find way of writing about the
period simply by mentioning 1857-1858. We are most of
us well aware to what it refers.
Well, that's off my chest. Let's get back to
geneology I can hear you mutter. 'Nuff said. All the
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I agree with your sentiments.....in fact it was the second All-India Sanitary Conference to take place and it was extended from two to six days with papers being divided into two sections: medical and engineering. The agenda gives an interesting insight into the topics that were pertinent at that time. As the President said "there are signs of a sanitary awakening in India, of the dawning of an age of greater attention to public health". He further says "...we are building up a school of research in India, which will soon rank with the first in the world.....In recent years, by precept and example, the Governments in India have done much to penetrate the mists of ignorance and prejudice which hide from the masses the blessings of sanitary science, the science of new and better and happier conditions of society..."
"....We are particularly grateful to these officers for attending the Conference, for they can speak with a knowledge and experience which few in India possess; indeed they may be called pioneers in India of the new sceince of town-planning......I confess that I can concieve no object more humane, no measure better calculated to brighten the lives of the people and reduce the mass of human suffering than the provision of a pure and sufficient water supply, where such does not exist. We are informed that travelling dispensaries haved proved a great boon not only in bringing medical and surgical relief within reach of the rural population, but also in winnng the confidence of the people".
"In the last two years the Government has has made grants for sanitation aggregating more than a million sterling, and in its anxious solicitude for the health and comfort of the people that Government has also recently decided to institute, in concert with local Governments, a comprehensive enquiry into the possibility of impriving sanitary arrangements along pilgrim routes and pilgrim centres...."
"...Officers of the first class will, for the present, be required to possess a British Diploma in Public Health, but this condition will be removed as soon as arrangements can be made in India for the necessary training. It is hoped that a post-graduate class for the D.P.H. of the Calcutta University wil shortly be opened in connection with the recently sanctioned School of Tropical Medicine at Calcutte..."
The president also discusses various administrative changes in the Indian Medical Service and various projects that they were involved in. I re-extend my offer of emailing the agenda and speech to anyone interested.
Additional names mentioned in speech:
Prof. HOWLETT at Pusa
Major JAMES, deputed to Panama to study stegomyia
Mr. J. P. ORR, C.S.I., I.C.S.
>>> "Andrew Sellon" <andrew(a)sellon.vispa.com> 06/27 1:05 PM >>>
I am surprised at just how up to date and forward thinking they were in such
matters in 1912, not many years after London had completed it's first full
sewerage removal system.
Yours Aye Andrew Sellon East Anglia
How little you understand young Wedgewood, the new piss pot with two handles
is his invention. He suggested flints for the new Bidets. Rev. Sydney Smith
1771-1854, Canon of St. Paul's.
From: "Stewart Green" <Stewart.Green(a)dae.kzntl.gov.za>
> Transcribed below is the list of delegates attending the All-India
Sanitary Conference in Madras in November 1912.
I , too, would be interested in any replies to this question.
.""... However, I found (in L/AG/34/31/10) a "Grant of Probate and
Administration made under the Estates of all Persons of European extraction,
whether British Subjects or not, by the District Courts in the Lower
Provinces of Bengal during the Quarter ending 31st March 1905: Richard
Cherry McKennier [sic] died 13 February 1905, Midnapore, Probate of a Will
and Codicil to administer whole estate...."
>This indicates that a will existed, but I don't know where a copy exists.
>Can anyone advise me where to look - remembering that (as stated above)
>it's not in the Index of Wills for Bengal at OIOC?
>currently in Kirtlington, Oxfordshire, England
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I'm having a problem locating a marriage certificate for my GGGrandfather Henri deValadares and his wife Elizabeth Callcott. He states on his first daughters birth certificate that he married her in Glasgow in 1854. Since one of his professions was "translator of foriegn languages" I would imagine he understood the question given him when asked where the event took place.
I have been informed by the registry in Glasgow that they have no record of it and that I must go to the parishes but how do I know which parishes to search? Can anyone give me a hands up on this one? I believe they were Catholic as one of his daughters later became a nun. There is a record of his marrying Elizabeth in Calcutta in 1858 according to an IGI record but this was without source information and so far I cannot find it either.
searching deValadares, Saubolle, Gardiner, Doughty
The following information was sent to me by a cousin, and thought the list
of Pilot Vessels from 1808 in particular may be of interest, particularly
noting the name of the first of these following our recent discussion about
Knowing my connection with India and having seen our paintings of the
Hooghly river, a friend of ours has given me two note books which he must
have discovered belonging to a person called HAY FOX. One dated 1914,
mostly of hand written notes about navigating the Hooghly and general notes
about weather, bouyage, signals, wind speeds and even a page of notes on
the number 9 and its significance. The other is also marked Hay Fox and is
a printed booklet - "Tide -tables for the river Hooghly 1922 signals, lights
etc price Rs1/8/-" I can only guess that Mr Hay Fox took notes at a sea
school, specialising in the river Hooghly in order to become a pilot around
1914 and then actually became a pilot in around 1922. There are no
references to ships, apart from a loose printed cutting "Names of the 12
Schooners or Pilot vessels of the Bengal Pilot service 1808. 1=Philip
Dundas, 2 = Hooghly, 3=Sea Horse 4=Tweed 5=Haldane, 6=Cudbert Thurnbill,
7=Guide, 8=Hastings, 9=Udney, 10=Jessy, 11=Change, 12=John Bebb. On another
slip headed "Extract from general orders" 30 June 1891; it is signed by Port
Officer EW Petley.
Another page in Hay Fox's hand is titled: "The figure alphabet" a whole page
including...."Tch is represented by 6, thus the figure value of "stitch" is
016" and..."Dg, as in ledge, is represented by 6, so that the figure valiue
of ledge is 56." This is all double Dutch to me, unless I failed to be
taught something at school! Any way all this may give you a clue to the
I think the OIOC closure was from the 22nd to the 29th June unless this has been changed.
I always use the bus service when visiting the OIOC as I dislike travelling by Tube. There are two services, the 205 and the 705 which link all the mainline rail stations. (Used to be called Station Link). By combining the two you can get easily to the OIOC. The 705 will take you from Waterloo to Paddington and then the 205 will take you from Paddington to St. Pancras. Probably a bit long winded but easy-peasy and using your travel card very cheap.
Sorry, I sent the last note pdq - see
http://www.bl.uk/services/reading/onlinecat.html for full details. Hope
I saved you a wasted journey and taxi fare! The whole of the British
Library is closed this week due to a computer upgrade.
Hello again list, thought I should put out what info I have.
James "Jimmy" SLADE born circa 1945 - 1950 in Pallavaram, Father was James SLADE. Jimmy Slade was said to of moved to Coimbatore later on, when I don't know, if he Married I don't know that either, if anyone can help that would be most kind in deed.