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Hello dear list,
I have non intentionally been unsubscribed for about a month. Wondering if there has been anyone
searching for CHALKE in Madras in that time??
Hope everyone is well
I am interested in the following names in India between 1828 and 1947:-
COURTNEY; ROZALLA; FARAGE; GALLAGHER; MACDONALD; CARNEY; STEWART;
and I would be very pleased to hear from anyone researching these names.
The document below was written by my Great Great Grandfather - Michael
Courtney, in 1936. Unfortunately I have not yet had a chance to get to the
India Office in London, but if anyone has any tips on where I should start
when I get there, I would be most grateful! Michael Courtney served in the
Indian Medical Department - is this separate to the Indian Medical Service?
"My father, John COURTNEY, enlisted in the East India Company and sailed for
India on the ship Marquess of Huntley from Queenstown, Dublin on 12th July
1827 landing in Calcutta about 12 months later i.e. 1828. He joined the 4th
Battalion the Royal Bengal Artillery under Lieutenant Colonel McLEOD and was
posted to Dum Dum.
He saw service in Kandahar and Kabul in the wars of 1840; 1842. Of this I am
certain as he possessed a bronze star and a medal for those engagements. He
joined the Ordnance Department in 1831 or 1832. During the Indian Mutiny, as
a Conductor, he travelled up and down the river Ganges in command of a
flotilla of country boats carrying ammunition to Dinapore, Benares,
Allahabad and Cawnpore. During this period he was stationed in Fort William,
He retired as a Conductor in 1861 or early 1862 and settled in Chunar (E.I.
COYS Colony) along with other demobilised employees of the East India
Company (e.. Lowe, Woolving, Meehan, Gorman, MacGovern, MacGuinness,
Lestrange, Shannahan, and others). He died there on 12th August 1888 just
over 85 years of age.
My father was married three times. First, while still in service, in the
family of the KAVANAGHs. Some members of which family afterwards became
famous in the Relief of Lucknow during the Indian Mutiny. By this marriage
he had two sons, James and John. James joined the Indian Medical Department,
he altered the spelling of his name to Courtney to bring it as near as
possible to be the original Court-de-Nays. He retired from the service in
Amballa and died there some 10 or 12 years ago. John the second son died at
the age of about 19 or 20 years.
He then married a second time to Susan MACDONALD, the widow of a Conductor
who had no issue by her first marriage. By this marriage he had two
children, myself and my sister Bridget, who married John SHANNAHAN and died
some years ago. I do not remember my Mother as she died after giving birth
to my sister who was born on 8th August 1864, a year and 11 months after me.
I, being born on 9th September 1862.
I, Michael COURTNEY am the only surviving issue. I joined the Indian Medical
Department on 15th October 1878 and after three years service (as was usual
in those days) as an Apprentice, (Hospital Apprentice), with Regiments and
batteries. I was sent to the Medical College, Calcutta to qualify as an
ASSISTANT SURGEON. I left college in 1885 as an Asst. Surgeon, and was
posted Bareilly. I served with the Military Department from March 1885 to
September 1895 when I was transferred to the Civil Department and posted to
Lahore Medical College as a Teacher in Pharmacy and Superintendent of the
Dispensary attached to it.
While still with the Military in 1879 I was attached to the 8th Hussars in
Muttra when war with Kabul broke out. Sir Frederick ROBERTS was Commander in
Chief of the force and the 8th Hussars formed one of the regiments detailed.
I went with the regiment as far as Landi Kotal, but as I was under 18 years
of age at the time, I was not allowed farther. My Commanding Officer and my
Medical Officer both begged hard to get me through the regiment but orders
were very strict and I was detained and sent back to the Base Hospital at
Peshawar for duty.
Again while in the Medical College, I was withdrawn for Field Service in
October 1897 with the Tirah Expeditionary Force and was attached to No.1
British hospital at Rawalpindi.
I returned to the Medical College in May 1898 and from there was Gazetted
Civil Surgeon and posted to the Jhang Dist. In September of the same year I
was transferred to the Hissar District. I remained there until January 1916
when I was sent to Rawalpindi. I was promised that I would be left there
during the war, but owing to the arrival of the Kamagatu Maru prisoners in
India and concentrated in Campbellpur jail, (also to relieve Colonel SMITH
IMS withdrawn for field service, during the Great War), I was ordered to
Campbellpore as Civil Surgeon of the Attock district. This was in May 1916.
While in Campbellpore, the RAMC OFFICERS were withdrawn and I was put in
command of the British and Indian Military hospital and the Indian Followers
Hospital, in addition to my own duties as Civil Surgeon of the district.
In August 1917 I was ordered by telegram to proceed to Montgomery and take
over charge of the Central Jail there owing to misconduct of the prisoners
ending in a riot. I remained in charge of the jail until 14th May 1925 when
I retired from service for good.
I was due to retire on superannuation in September 1917 but was retained in
military service until 1920, after that I continued to retain charge of the
Jail at the request of the Punjab Government.
On 12 May 1892 I married Katherine Mary GALLAGHER, daughter of Sub-Conductor
Andrew Gallagher of the Indian Ordnance Department (retired in Fyzabad). Of
this marriage there are seven issues.
1. Albert Joseph born 22/10/1893
2. Maurice Andrew born 6/2/1895
3. John St.Anthony born 13/6/1896
4. Eileen Mary born 29/10/1898
5. Monica Muriel born 28/5/1900
6. Leonard Patrick born 4/5/1902
7. Rhoda Bridget born 28/10/1915"
Many thanks in anticipation,
Sevenoaks, Kent, UK.
My ancestors, William Keating and Ann Butler, are recorded in the OIOC
records as being married, by Banns, at St John's Church, Cawnpore (now
Kanpur) in 1859.
The OIOC records are in effect the equivalent of Bishop's Transcripts; the
data is AT LEAST second hand if not worse (I've found Shortridge transcribed
as Shoebridge, and who knows what McAnley really was!). Butler may even be
So my questions relate to the ORIGINAL church records. Does the church of St
John still exist in Kanpur today (can't find it on Google) ? Do the original
church records (the "parish records", either Banns or Marriages or both)
still exist ? If so, where, and how may I "consult" them from England ? If
anyone can help I would be much obliged.
Interesting to read of all the names migrating from India to New
Zealand. It was not the only place where this happened. Those
returning "home" from India gave Indian names to their cottages, homes,
farms etc. It was a reminder of happy times spent in India and gave
honour to those particular places.
Cheers from snowy Nova Scotia
There was a young lady from Niger
Who smiled as she rode on a tiger
When they came from the ride
She was inside
And the smile on the face of the tiger
Anothr charming ditty we teach our delicate babes! ;-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "rhonda" <rpm(a)picknowl.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:34 PM
Subject: [India-L] Nursery Rhyme?
> Dear listers,
> Do any of you remember this rhyme that my father taught us. I cant'
remember the rest perhaps someone else knows it.
> There was a lady from Niger
> who went for a ride on the Tiger ???
> The rest of this is forgotten
> For my family research.
> Felton & Sarah Mathew's Diaries, cover 1830-1831, early NSW. and contain
many Names of Early settlers.at:
> My ongoing investigation of HAMER/WALDRON/PERCY/GREATHEAD in
> ==== INDIA Mailing List ====
> Visit Sylvia Murphy's "Passages to India" web site at:
> http:// This website is temporarily unavailable
> It is filled with reference material related to family history in India.
The following are baptisms from LDS Church's British Films Archives -
BFA #0521859 India-Madras-Church Records-BFA-Parish Registers- Bapt.,
Marr., Burials V. 52. Folio 205.
The baptisms took place in Masulipatam, Mercara and Mount Road Madras.
Jane Wilhelmina ASHWORTH
Richard Charles GIRLING
Ethel Marion HESWITH (sp??)
Mount Road Madras
Helen Hannah DAVEY
Ann Catherine LYNSDALE
James William Dinger HOLMES
Please contact me off-list for details: When Baptized; Said to be Born;
Child's Christian Name; Sex, Parents' Names; Abode; Quality, Trade or
Profession; By Whom the Ceremony was performed.
For example: Baptized 25th October 1871; said to be born 8th Sept. 1871;
Jane Wilhelmina, daughter of John Wilmot and Mary Jane HEATHCOTE; living
in Masulipatam; John was a Telegraph Master; Ceremony performed by Wm.
W, COX, Missionary, C.M.S.
All the best,
New subscriber here - am researching Philip Cuthbert ANDERSON born in
Bethnal Green, London on 14 August 1848, to Henry Philip ANDERSON and
Sophia Minnie CUTHBERT. Henry is listed on Philip's birth certificate as
a 'Civilian in the Hon. East India Company's Service'. Philip had one
younger sister, Clara Rebekah Margaret ANDERSON, born 31 March 1851
(probably in England but possibly India), but she may have had a
different mother. Philip moved to New Zealand at the age of about 16 for
health reasons (and then Australia) and kept diaries for the rest of his
life, in which he makes no mention whatsoever of his parents - we assume
they both died when he was very young and he knew little or nothing of
them. He makes frequent mention of the children of Rebekah and William
Cheek BOUSFIELD back in England, who he claims as his aunts and uncles,
and Rebekah as his grandmother - have been unable to verify her as the
mother of either of his parents.
Does anyone know anything of Henry or Sophia Anderson in India - did
they die there? Were they married there? Was Philip's sister born there?
(She later married in London and moved to Iowa, where she died). Philip
became an Anglican minister in NZ and makes mention of 'several
generations of his family' also having been ministers, so perhaps Henry
was a clergyman in the HEIC. Or, did the HEIC have any employees who
lived and worked solely in England and never even went to India?
In searching the archives of this list I found numerous Anderson
interests, but none that seemed to match. Any assistance greatly
The following are 1864 baptisms at Trichinopoly, Tutacorin(sp?) and
Vellore. It is Vol. 45 Folio 24 of BFA 0521853 India-Madras-Church
Records-BFA-Parish Registers Bapt., Marr., Burials V.45-46.
Nina Florence MORGAN
Emelia Angella Terisa SMITH
Ethel Flora Helen BRIGGS
Information includes: When Baptized; Said to be Born; Child's Christian
Name; Sex; Parents' Name (Christian, Surname); Abode; Quality, Trade or
Profession; By Whom the Ceremony was Performed.
Example: Baptized 1st January 1864, Said to be born 19th Nov. 1863;
Robert; son; of Samuel and Jane HEATHCOTE; Vellore; Samuel was a
pensioner H.E.I.C. Artillery; Ceremony performed by J.B. SAYERS, LL.D..,
I am new to the list and am researching my Great Grandfather George JONES
who went to India aboard the "Serapis" as a private in the 1st Battalion
25th Regiment Kings Own Scottish Borderers, leaving England on the 4th
October 1880. He had enlisted in 1871 in the 23rd Regiment The Welsh
Fusiliers, and served in Sligo, Ireland, Ashantee Africa and Gibraltar.
In a late 1880's muster for the 1/23 Regt there is an annotation "to 1/25
Regt.1st October" and in the muster for 1/25 Regt an annotation "from 1/23
Regt 1st October - to Service Co. 4th October". He served in Peshawar,
Thobba Camp and Dagshai, and returned to England 8th November 1882 and was
discharged on the 13th June 1883. I might add with a different regimental
number from when he enlisted. Did each regiment has its own number series.
My question to the list - could anyone tell me what the "Service Company"
would have been.
I ordered in CLDS Film No. 2030021 - Great Britain Military Records. Troops
embarked to India 1871-1888 and have a copy of the Nominal Roll of Drafts
1/25 Regiment embarked for India 4th October 1880 aboard the "Serapis".
Will do lookups as best I can - some of the names have been crossed out.
Details given - Regl. No - Rank and Name - Present Age in years - Date of
Enlistment - Remarks.
May I leave a message in reply to Brinds whose personal e-mail is not
receiving my reply to his message on this list please?
The man I am seeking is RICHARD GRAVES BURTON. He was said to have been
killed at Cawnpore whilst serving in the 'ROYAL ENGINEERS - EAST INDIA' I
presume that this is an HEIC regiment though I am not well up on these.
The Romans called the peninsula of Spain and Portugal, Lusitania, and so
Luso and Lusa refer to things Portuguese like Anglo refers to English etc.
As the Portuguese were in India before the British, particularly in Goa but
in other places as well there are many "Anglo-Indians" who could also be
called Luso-Indians. The Portuguese either colonised directly, married
indian women, or stood as god-fathers to christian converts, and gave them
their name. So in my case (or rather my husband's) we are Fegredos, which
is probably derived from Figueiredo, and can trace our origins to Calcutta.
There are also Da Costas, Da Silvas, Pereiras etc.etc. and all their
variants, both still in India and all over the world. They are usually, but
not always Catholics so tracing records is not easy. There has been
discussion of this on the list over the years - try a search of the Archives
if you want more info, and there are various websites around - try a Google
----- Original Message -----
From: "patricia venner" <patinmex(a)att.net.mx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:45 AM
Subject: [India-L] lusa=?
> dear listers,
> does anyone have an idea why anglo indians, in the early days , were
> lusa, or lusa-indians. or was that a term for those of portugese descent?
> pat venner
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> The site provides answers to many basic questions about beginning
> research on family history in India.
The address of Bombay Christian Burial Board-that is the correct name is-
BCCB,Sewree cemetery ,
Sakharam Lanjakar Marg,
There is a rule no.69/4 which says 'Purchased graves lying without monuments
for two years after the date of burial will be considered as forfeited and
be liable for use for fresh burials by the board.
It is possible that the board may be running a racket to demolish monuments
to bring them under the purview of the rule.
The first thing is to establish whether the grave has actually
vanished,sometime it is difficult to find them as there is a heavy growth of
You should write a letter to the board ,copy to the bishop of bombay
threatening legal action and asking for info whether it still exists,
Unless the descendents take a tough line there is no hope.you should say
that even if the grave is demolished the plot should be handed over to you
for laying a fresh headstone,ask for a report and send return postage,
The bishop's address is-
Bishop Of Bombay
A relative of mine who lives in Cashmere district
of ChristChurch, NZ, posted me the following :
"Yes, I have just finished surveying the last of
the sections on the old Cracroft Wilson estate at
the bottom of the hill. The original house was
burnt down. A new one was built and during WW2
was used as army HQ with caves underneath for
military command purposes.The old Stone House
that was used for housing Indian attendants and
workers was burnt down a few years ago but has
been restored and is now used as a community
centre. I was at school with Cracroft Wilson's
grandson. Streets in the area are:
Bengal Drive, Delhi Place, Nehru Place, Lucknow
Place, Shalamar Drive and suchlike names keeping
the Indian connection."
Just a few more names for our archive. All the
Do You Yahoo!?
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The website below has been given before, but it
is an invaluable source of India history, held at
Cambridge, and I noticed the following item which
may interest some :
"Punjab. Inscriptions on Christian tombs or
monuments in the Punjab, N.W.F.P., Kashmir and
Afghanistan; Pt. II biographical notices of
military officers others whose names appear in
the inscriptions in Pt. 1. Compiled by George
William De Rhe-Philipe. Lahore, 1912. "
For those new to the list, this website details
the personal documents and printed papers left to
the University. Other cemeteries are given.
All the best,
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness
Hello Fellow Listers
I am hoping someone out there can offer some help. I have two photographs
of a soldier in uniform - I'd like some assistance in verifying the uniform
and the period if possible.
There is also another matter which confuses me and which you may be able to
clarify. It appears as though my grandfather, who was with the Royal Dublin
Fusiliers has two service numbers. On his character reference he's #5114
but on his Certificate of Discharge he is listed as #26936. Can anyone
enlighten me on this matter?
I will await your reply and permission before I send through the attachments
of the photographs in question.
has anyone any information on the surname duquesne, I find from the journal
of "Jal" ? an extract on Duquesne early 1700's of this rellie who arrived in
India from France via South Africa, but can find no other info
On further reading my mothers diaries Icame across the following ;
ARTHUR EDWARD CONROY Reserve Inspector of C.P.POLICE married LILY MAY CONROY widow of the late JOHN O`BRIEN CONROY on the 18th Dec, 1929 at the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AT CHHINDAWARA C.P, by the Rev Father J. SERVAGE.
CHILDREN; SHEELAH BERNADETTE born 13th Feb, 1932 at BETUH
THELMA WINIFRED born 22nd Feb, 1934 at BETUH
MICHAEL CHRISTOPHER born 24th MARCH 1936 at BULDANA.
LEONARD born 1937
DANIEL born 1940.
Any one with any links please contact me.
Sorry to here about your husbandssad passing.. You have my condolances.
Perth Western Australia
>From: Glynn & Kathy Greenwood <gwood(a)argonet.co.uk>
>Subject: [India-L] Unubscribe
>Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 13:14:13 +0100
>Thanks for all the help and good information my husband was sent, but
>following his recent death I must unsubscribe.
> Kathy Greenwood
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