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In 1941 I was a student in a school in Baramulla,
Kashmir, and used to stay in a houseboat on the Dal
Lake in Srinagar when doing Cambridge Exams in the
Sacred Heart Convent in Srinagar. We went everywhere
Frank Dunn. frankdunn12(a)yahoo.com
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As request, I am posting you this information again. I will visit the
Anglo-Indian website and decide what research articles would be worth
contributing to the site.
With best wishes to you and your hubby.
> Dear Andrew,
> India's modern transport system is amongst the largest in the world. Its
> railway system is the largest in Asia and the fourth largest in the
> world.Inland water transport is of comparatively limited significance.
> are some 1700 km of waterways used, mainly in the states of Kerala, Uttar
> Pradesh, West Bengal,Assam and Andhra Pradesh.
> The House Boats, well known in Kashmir,India as well as worldwide are
> in vogue in the lakes of Srinagar.
> SHIKARA'S are the pride of Srinagar's beauty.Srinagar's Lakes such as
> and Nagin are the reason why the city receives so many tourists even
> Life on the lakes, as witnessed from the confines of a House Boat or
> Shikara, is unique. It is possible to book a Shikara for the whole day .
> Pahalgam, Gulmarg( the country's premier winter sport Resort after
> Joshimath), and Sonamarg may be the valley's popular resorts, but there
> are others such as Daksum, Kokernag and Yusmarg. Apart from the Kashmir
> House Boats , its best kept secrets is its historical /archaeological
> connections. The best example of temple architecture in Kashmir can be
> found at Pandrethan immediately after the Army cantonment in
> Vijay Shukla
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew Sellon <andrew.sellon(a)lineone.net>
> To: <INDIA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 9:46 PM
> Subject: Kashmir House Boats (was Re: [India-L] Budgerow)
> > Are the houseboats still in existence and made use of?
> > I recall stories of my grand mother and also parents about the fabulous
> > times they had staying on them.
> > A friend of mine stayed on one in the mid-1960's, saying then that they
> > somewhat run down.
> > I can not recall how they are situated viz a viz the Kashmir / Indian /
> > Pakistani borders, whether it is advisable to travel in the area. (I do
> > intend to cause offence to anyone by my inept description of the
> > Yours aye Andrew Sellon
> > From: "Peter D Rogers" <newhurst(a)compuserve.com>
> > <snip>
> > > Probably the last vessels of similar appearance were the beautiful
> > > Boats (though non-sailing) on Lake Dal in Kashmir.
> > >
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Thought the following may be of interest to members of the list.
These names were found in LDS Film1866879 1846-1853 [L/MIL/9/44]
Francis Lahey age 22
William Lennon age 20
Robert Leonard age 20/6
Jeremiah Lynch age 20
John Lane age 20
Michael Larkin age 21/10
James Leahy age 20
Thomas Lee age 22
Francis Love age 24/7
John Lynch age 20/9 [my ancestor]
Mark Leonnard age 21
Domnick Leyden age 22
John Lawlor age 20
William Lawrence age 20
Benjamin Franklyn Langlou? age 21/9
George Lackey age 22
William John Laird age 20
Michael Ledy age 20
John Lee age 20
Michael Larty age 20
James Lock age 24
William Lacey age 20
Charles Thomas Francis Lekourgeon? age 21/1
John Lynch age 22
William Leeson age 24/6
Abraham Leets age 22
John Alfred Lucas age 24
If anyone would like more information on any of the above please
contact me off-line.
Hi to all,
I am resubscribing to the list looking (still) for my elusive BROWN
ancestors after chasing other lines for a couple of years.
In particular I am looking for Maria Lorisa Carmen FROHLICK born circa 1883
and commonly known as Carmen.
Carmen married Mr P.H Bell proprietor of JJ Bell & Co of Cawnpore - tent,
durrie and putties manufacturers and owners of the Cawnpore Tape factory
(from Thackers). Carmen and Mr Bell had one daughter Bertha before 1918 and
Mr Bell died before 1918.
Carmen married Walter Hugh BROWN on 17th August 1918 at Christ Church
Marrige entry details from the marriage register are as follows -
Walter Hugh BROWN, age 38, Widower, profession - S & T Corps, Residence -
Mussoorie, father - Charles John BROWN(deceased), signed W.H. BROWN.
Maria Lorisa Carmen BELL, age 36, Widow, residence - Mussoorie, father -
Wilhelm FROHLICK (deceased), signed C. BELL.
Marrried by License, witnesses - W. WILDON & A. BROWN, Chaplin Sydney A.
Walter had a daughter Hazel Mabel BROWN from his first marriage.
Walter subsequently died in Mesopotamia on 23rd Feb 1919 on his way home
from the war. Carmen was the beneficiary of his will.
In the 1919 Thackers a Mrs PH Bell is listed as the proprietor of JJ Bell &
Co Cawnpore. My assumption (yet to be proved) is that Carmen returned to JJ
Bell & Co and worked in the business. After that I have lost trace of
Carmen and Bertha but have my suspicions that Carmen remarried perhaps to a
Mr Harris who was the manager at JJ Bell & Co.
My reason for trying to trace Carmen and Bertha is that I am looking for
photos, memorabilia, war medals etc of Walter Hugh BROWN who is my great
grandfather. My father has no memorabilia of his grandfather at all and I
would like to get something for him if possible.
Does anyone have any connections to or information on Carmen FROHLICK = BELL
= BROWN = ???? or her daughter Bertha?
Does anyone know where I might find further information on JJ Bell & Co?
Does anyone have a connection to Walter BROWN (I will post more information
on this family in a seperate posting).
regards to all
Mandurah, Western Australia.
Would anyone be able to shed light on the following - I'd be most obliged to get feedback.
1. Listers have referred to, from records, St John's RC Burial ground at Murghihata also RC Cathedral in about 1877 - in Calcutta. I'm sure the records do say that. However, as far as I know St John's, an old church, on Council House St, near Dalhousie Square, is a C of E Church - I believe there is a plaque referring to the 'Black Hole of Calcutta' in it. The only RC Cathedral in Murghihata as far as I know is the Cathedral of the Most Holy Rosary at 15 Portuguese Street, Calcutta. Is there a St John's RC Church (Old Cathedral) in Calcutta? There is a St John the Evangelist's Church, but at Sealdah, started as a Cemetery Chapel in 1902. Any advice to clear the confusion would be welcome.
2. Listers have also referred to records of Burials at the General Episcopal Cemetery or Burial Ground, Chowringhee, Calcutta about the same time. Although I walked down Chowringhee in 1997 I do not know of this burial ground - I'm sure it vanished long ago (I can't even remember it in 1947!). I am of course aware of the large Christian cemetery at 284 Lower Circular Road (Acharya Jagdish Chandra Bose Road - AJC Bose Rd). Can anyone enlighten me as to what happened to this Episcopal Cemetery?
It is good to be back, after 8 weeks absence, with all my friends and what seems like "family ", the India List.!
Happy year 2002 to you all..
I note there are some new subscribers, so I will list again, my family names who lived in India.
POTTINGER, KEATINGE, BUTLER, WILLIAMS, INGLIS, WILLIS, JAMESON, CHITTY, TWISS, GODFREY, GREER, LYE....Col..Charles Shepperd STUART...I underline LYE as I find that GEORGINA JAMESON,( my 2gr. Aunt.) b. 1838. in Bombay, married Wm. LYE in Bombay 1856...I later found her in England, in the 1881 census aged 43, "widow of Indian Army Colonel".... .
. I also have found connections in Inverness, but going back to mid 1800s of the name McIINTOSH, MCFARLANE,ROSS, DUNOON....these names may not had actually gone to India, but I am ever hopefull of finding descendants that can fill in some of my "jigsaw".
Best wishes from hot sunny Auckland. Patricia.
I seem to recall a source for a list of British Medical personnel in India but I cant remember where or how I found it . I suspect that it was one of Jill Grey's lists Can anyone assist me?
I am looking for info on my GGgrandfather James WIGHT b Madras 4 Aug 1814 He apparently came from a long medical family whose origins were in the Edinburgh / East Lothian area of Scotland. He seems to have left India around 1845-1850 and gone to Australia where he met his wife Julia TOMKINS b 18 Sept 1826 in the Cape Colony. They then ended up in Hawaii.
in a sunny Yorkshire
Hello again all
I just want to say what you all know anyway that this list is such a treasure.
In answer to my 'Budgerow' question I received a reply from someone who has the same surname of long out of touch friends from Calcutta days. My inquiry has turned up just this family and I'm looking forward to getting in touch very soon.
This to add to finding my sisters, and another long lost lost friend, does this work for anyone else, or is it just me?
Barbara Buttimer nee Grueber
Hello to all,
I want to tell you about the latest Index I have put up
on my website, www.ans.com.au/~rampais . It is an index to Cadet papers of
cadets to the HEIC army. It cross references the OIC number with the LDS
film number. The index only covers 1878 till 1823 but still thats 7000 odd
names. So if you've got an officer in your lineage give it a whirl he may be
there. Unfortunately as for myself I'm decended from a long line of Ag labs
and Army Privates. If you use it perhaps you can let me know how it performs
from the point of view of loading times and it's utility.
Bob Holland in sweaty Sydney
Just wanted to let you know that at long last with the help of listers
I have found the description of my Irishman John Lynch in the Register
of Recruits, Depot Lists for 1848 [Film 1866879 1846-1853 -
Now all I have to do is find any records on his father-in-law John
THORPE who was a 1st Dresser in the Nizam Army in the 1830's, at
Secunderabad and possibly earlier, he was pensioned by 1844 when he
was married aged 42.
Does anyone have any ideas on where to look for records which could
tell me where he was born. Nothing on his marriage record, and
cannot find his or his wife's death records and a search of wills
Any help appreciated.
Hullo Listers - looking for any information on the names James Rose Hunter, Fanny Louise Shawe, George Barrow Shawe, Reginald Hunter. All in the Madras area, although James Rose Hunter might have been in Calcutta prior to 1870.
I'm still searching for descendants of families that inter-linked with ours. So if anyone recognises the following family, please contact me off - line. I have quite a bit more data, but I'm just sending the main details rather than bore you with their life-histories!
Benjamin White b. 29/4/1802 at Colchester, Essex. Arrived in India 16/2/1827 as an Assistant Surgeon, Bombay Establishment. Served as a vaccinator in the Deccan and Gujerat, later at Karachi as Registrar of Marriages, eventually Deputy Inspector General of Hospitals. Retired in Dec 1862, returned to Colchester, died at Feering, Essex 18/6/1867. He married Grace Speirs (my ancestor) in 1838 and had the following children:
Charles Edward Alexander b. 28/1/1839 at Hursole
Emily Harriott b. 27/9/1840 at Bombay
Alfred William b. 14/12/1841 at Bombay
(one other child between Alfred and Mary - name not known)
Mary Julia Grace b. 6/4/1846 at Dapoolee. d. 13/11/1874 at Kensington, London (unmarried)
George Spiers b. 5/5/1849 at Sholapore
Rose Helen Morgan b.1/1/1853 at Karachi
Benjamin also had (at least) one sibling, as I know the names of two nephews, who were: Alexander Miller White, Solicitor of Colchester, and Charles Edward White, farmer of Tollesbury, Essex.
Other families I'm researching (in India): BEAN, BESANT, DUHAN, HAGREEN, JOHANNES, QUIEROS, SINCLAIR, SHORT, SPEIRS, STEVENS.
near Cambridge, England
Does any one know anything about the Maidments who were in Bombay in the early 1800s.My Great Grandfather,Peter Maidment (born around 1790) went to India with the Army around 1811 and reached the rank of Sergeant Major.He then joined the East India Company as a Commissar and finally became Secretary of the Sailors Home in Bombay.He died in the 1860s. He was married twice and had many children including my Grandfather,Thomas George Maidment.
Interested to know whether anybody has a connection with these people.
Are the houseboats still in existence and made use of?
I recall stories of my grand mother and also parents about the fabulous
times they had staying on them.
A friend of mine stayed on one in the mid-1960's, saying then that they were
somewhat run down.
I can not recall how they are situated viz a viz the Kashmir / Indian /
Pakistani borders, whether it is advisable to travel in the area. (I do not
intend to cause offence to anyone by my inept description of the borders).
Yours aye Andrew Sellon
From: "Peter D Rogers" <newhurst(a)compuserve.com>
> Probably the last vessels of similar appearance were the beautiful House
> Boats (though non-sailing) on Lake Dal in Kashmir.
I was at the Society of Genealogists yesterday and I
think that what you have seen is a referenec to one of
the Native Light Infantry battalions. The East India
Register & Army List 1846 lists several of them; the
fifth (although not numbered as such) is called the
Hurrianah Light Infantry Battalion. It was located at
Delhi and Hansi: the officer complement was given as
Commandant Capt R Campbell appointed 22 Feb 1838
Second in command Capt TE Colebrook 11 Oct 1844
Adjutant Lt WJF Stafford 24 Nov 1845
Medical Officer Asst Surgeon JH Jones 29 Jun 1844
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I am currently researching my grandmas ancestors and hope someone on this
list may be able to help.
I am looking for any information regarding the surname TRIPE or
TRYPE...changed by one of my gg/grandparents at some time!!!
My grandma remember this: her father was Archibald Charles TRYPE born circa
1890 and died during WW2 approximately 1942.
her mother was Ma PwaSHIN b in Burma (absolutely nothing known about her)
All she remembers is that they married in Burma around January 1915
Apparently Archibald's mother was a Sarah Agatha TRYPE or TRIPE.
Is anyone able to help me find out more?
Not a slanging match!!!!!
A BUDGEROW was a keeless sailing barge used to transport people along the
Ganges and other rivers in the days before the railways open up the country
to easier travel.
They had an open fore deck but the after part was usually fitted out as
cabin accommodation, often with venetian blinds to the windows. They looked
ungainly craft but were well suited to the transport of europeans ,
especially as almost anything was preferable to travelling long distances
Probably the last vessels of similar appearance were the beautiful House
Boats (though non-sailing) on Lake Dal in Kashmir.
rupa books, india has just released a paperback copy of Atkinsons 'curry and
rice' at a very modest price of Rs150 . though not as impressive as the
original (it now has 2 prints to the page) the text retains its flavour.
John Augustus Smith, an MD with the Bengal
Establishment, abt 1818.
His son, Gregory Charles Willoughby Smith was living
in London in the 1840s, married Ellen Parsons 1848 in
LIverpool. According to marriage cert, John was MD in
1881 census for England shows Gregory being born abt
1818 in East Indies.
Any information about John, Gregory or the "Bengal
Establishment" would be appreciated.
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