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----- Original Message -----
From: Annette Aksenov
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 4:18 AM
Subject: Marriage & Birth Certificates
Can anyone assist me as to how I can obtain a Marriage, birth or death certificate from CALCUTTA, in the mid 1920's please, then again in 1942 any help will be appreciated
----- Original Message -----
From: Annette Aksenov
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 4:20 AM
Subject: Freemaons in Calcutta
Id also like to have any information regarding FREEMASONS Lodges in or around ALIPORE CALCUTTA in the mid 1920's
Dear Brinds thankyou somuch for your information- AHA! to see it was an
Irish Regiment, do you have any idea where Haratta was by any chance , it
sounds familiar. And what sort of campaign would have been going on there
then, in the 1820s?
In the 1830s Indian soldiers were given a chance to have a free ship and
free land in Australia. According to legend, two RYAN brothers went to
Australia Victoria or Queensland from India and "made money in sheep" to
buy estates in the Nilgiris which they had fallen in love with.
Unfortunately they lost it all in the 1880s goldrush/bubble there. But
meantime had married into an Australian family who I think also got coffee
estates in Nilgiris (There is a HOPE valley there) John Warren RYAN married
Elizabeth HOPE in the 1850s. Maybe some Aussie Listers could help re records
etc.? Vanya in sunny Springtime Wales!
>To: Vanya Orr <vanya_orr(a)hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Ryan-Warren-Groves-Orr
>Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:34:05 -0700
>I have a note that the 2nd Battalion of the Royal Irish Fusiliers
>(Princess Victoria's), had been the 89th (The Princess Victoria's)
>Regiment of Foot, raised in 1793.
>Their locations were:
>1817 Fortress of Hatteras (?)
>1817-19 Mahratte Confederacy
>1817 Pindaree Campaign
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Does anyone on the list know anything about 'Indigo Planters'. My 3xg.grandfather (William Ottley = Isabella Harriet Thomas 25/05/1858) on my paternal grandmothers side, was an 'Indigo Planter' in Malligaum. Would be nice to find out a bit more about this and Malligaum if possible, all I know is that Indigo is a blue dye.
Also would like to find out about Priscilla & Violet D'Cruz. Mother Emily had son William Charles Barnes with Walter Barnes and then married Edward D'Cruz and had two daughters Priscilla & Violet (step-sisters to William Charles Barnes). Any one with links?
I have recently been advised by a family member, that a female ancestor of ours was amoungst the British civilians killed at Cawnpore (?) in 1857. I have very little information to go on, other than she was a teacher and that her body, was thrown into a well, along with other members of the British community there. Would anyone be able to point me in the right direction of where to look for further information, or better still, is there a list of the civilians killed so that I can start to try and find out who she was etc?
Many thanks for your time
Have you tried a search of the archives yet, Ruth? I recommend it. For messages with the word "indigo" in them, we had 11 in 1987, 25 in 1988, 36 in 1999 and 25 in 2000. Malligaum has been mentioned in 2 messages in 2000 and 5 messages in 1999. Some of the answers for you may be in there.
The archives are at: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl. Type the word "India" when you are asked which list to search.
> Does anyone on the list know anything about 'Indigo Planters'. My 3xg.grandfather (William Ottley = Isabella Harriet Thomas 25/05/1858) on my paternal grandmothers side, was an 'Indigo Planter' in Malligaum. Would be nice to find out a bit more about this and Malligaum if possible, all I know is that Indigo is a blue dye.
> Also would like to find out about Priscilla & Violet D'Cruz. Mother Emily had son William Charles Barnes with Walter Barnes and then married Edward D'Cruz and had two daughters Priscilla & Violet (step-sisters to William Charles Barnes). Any one with links?
My interest in this list has hitherto related to my wife's family, who trace their Indian connections, especially in Madras (Chennai) and Bangalore, back to the early 19th Century [Robertson, Dunlop, Spencer, Dunn, Doig and Bald].
However, my own father (who, 3 days before I was born, was killed in the Rhine Crossings in March 1945, having survived both the D Day Landings and Arnhem) did serve for 7 years, between January 1936 and April 1943, with the 2nd Battalion of the King's Own Scottish Borderers in India.
I know very little of his time in India (it was before he met my mother). All I have of his time there is a picture taken at Jubblepore, where I believe he was stationed for at least a time. I would be grateful for any information or pointers that anyone might have that might provide any insights into what life might have been like for him during these years.
This was my Gt Grandfather who vanished late 1920 early 1930's from Burma -
Rangoon. He wasmarried to Martha nee Clay who was a nurse. Harold was a
ship's engineer.My father would love to know what happened to him.
Thanks, Ken Rashleigh-Berry.
Found your message on the list by accident - you may find that submitting
your question to the list with a specific subject such as: "Baker-Saxon;
Location of DEESA; Royla Horse Artillery c 1870's" or variation, will get
some more responses. I send my postings to the list using
Deesa - I found a reference to Deesa in a book by John Kitmiller - In search
of the Forlorne Hope - and it listed a number of Regiments there during your
time period. The Royal Horse Artillery were not mentioned, but this does
not mean they were not there, just that they were not listed by the author -
I have not seen the various Hosre Guards listed in his huge book(s) of
locations of Army Regiments around the world - but I have also not
specifically gone out to look for one before.
He does not give a description nor location of Deesa (or other locations) in
Have you tried the gazateers to look up Deesa - usually located in
university libraries, perhaps large municipal libraies? These are fabulous
sources for finding a place and reading about it.
-The Imperial Gazateer of India Vol 1-12, published under the Authority of
His Majesty's Secretary of State for India in Council, 1905?.
-Thorton, Edward. A Gazateer of the Territories under the Government of the
East India Company, and of the Native States of the Continent of India.
Neerjah Publishing House, Delhi, 1858, reprinted 1984.
Regarding birth certificates for the three (or more) children:
Have you looked at Cathy Day's web site regarding searches for these kind of
events? I recommend it.
(Basically, LDS has indexes, by presidency, of each type of event - baptism,
marriage, death, that you locate the possible references of interest (eg all
Baker bap & deaths between 1869 and 1880). Recording the reference to the
volume and folio, you convert these to the LDS film(s) where the
transcription of the event was recorded (and sent back to England every
three months). Baptisms sometimes give date of birth, along with the
parents names and occupation (of father usually) and abode of parents, plus
date and location of baptism.
Another way of proceeding would be to write to the India Rcords Office
Library in London, and ask them to search their card index for references to
"John Richard Baker". I have asked them in the past to send a xerox copy of
a specific event - and they were most accomodating if I had the vol and
Others on the list will hopefully be able to give some other suggestions -
or - correct my information here.
Good luck on your searches.
----- Original Message -----
From: john baker <bonneyjay(a)bigpond.com>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 9:11 PM
> Can anyone out there help me with info on John Richard Baker 1837-1911 and
his wife Ann Eliza Saxton. John joined Royal Horse Artillery during Crimean
War as an underage volunteer (No.3688. 9th Brigade , gunner) and served at
Gibraltar ,(22.2.1855-28.5.1856 ),China,Mauritius, and India from 28.9.1869
until pensioned off 23.1.1877.He married Ann Eliza Saxton (1871-1925) at
Dover 31.08.1861.She worked as Matron in military hospitals in India and is
understood to have worked with Florence Nightingale.John and Ann had 5
children the 3rd of whom is my grandfather William George born Deesa, India
1871. All of my searches of Indian maps have failed to locate Deesa. I have
been told that it was an army base.Can anyone confirm this.Where can I
obtain info on birth of John Richard Baker, Ann Eliza Saxton and also No. 3
son William George.I wait with baited breath.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, 26 April 2000 10:47 am
> Dear Listers am trying to find some detail of my Grandfather Richard
> John Wilkinson reg no 443324 Sargeant who served in India and apparently was in the Royal Field Artillery and was later on recalled as a reserve reg 14765
> on 27 August 1909 and later transferred to the Chinese Labour Corp ,any info would be helpful even if it is where to go next. I am
> also searching for his Father Richard Wilkinson who also served in
> Robert Wilkinson
I am trying to find some information about the
whereabouts of the Derbyshire regiment in India ,around 1890-1893. George
Glover was a Sgt. Instructor with that group.,I have a baptism Cert. for his
son,George Thomas, at Jhansi,Bundelkhund.,Nov. 1893..His wife was Henrietta
Charlotta..Any info on tis section of the army in India would be
appreciated. Thanks Jill Glover.
John , Deesa is not easy to find..but thanks to Joseph, I now have a large map of Bombay Presidency
I will try to describe to you where Deesa is( it took me about 15 minutes to find it on the huge map I have here)
If you look for Gulf of Kutch...take your eyes right to AHMEDABAD
Then think of Ahmedabad as the centre of a clock...take your eyes to number 11( on the clock) and DEESA is about 80 miles from Ahmedabad. i.e. it is NW of Ahmedabad
Got it? Patricia
William Thorne mentions the Afghan campaign of 1839-42. Out of consideration to
other members of this list, I refrain from quoting his entire message (including
quotes of his quotes).
Anyone interested in that disastrous campaign might like to look out for a book
by Sir Pat Macrory. The first edition was called Signal Catastrophe, but he
later renamed it when the publishers discovered that booksellers and libraries
were filing it under "Railways"! The new title contains the word Kabul, I
Don't be surprised that the name Pottinger occurs a few times in this book.
Sir Pat's grandfather was Lt Gen. Brabazon Pottinger (1840-1913), mil. sec. to
the government of Bombay, who in turn was a nephew of the Hero of Herat.
If you go to the archives and do a search on your key
words like writers or millet or varios place names you could get a lot of
info quick as these questions come up frequently Rootsweb's archives of
messages for this list can be found at:
Another good place to look is Cathy Days website at
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~clday/ you can follow links to allsorts of places
like maps regimental histories and other good stuff
Kind regards Bob Holland in sunny Sydney
From: AlanDell(a)aol.com <AlanDell(a)aol.com>
To: INDIA-L(a)rootsweb.com <INDIA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Friday, April 28, 2000 10:07 AM
Subject: MILLETT [ Bengal C. S. ]
> Friday 28 April 2000 17:15 GMT Daylight Time
> As a newbie to the List I should like the opportunity of letting
> members know of my particular interest.
> Frederic MILLETT son of George and Elizabeth MILLETT
> was born at Wanstead, Essex 13.11.1798
> On 28.11.1821 he married Maria WINTLE at MIDNAPORE
> He died 23.7.1856 at Woodhill, SEND, Surrey
> To India, Bengal, as a Writer 1816
> A Judge c1872 at BEERBHOOM
> Member of the Supreme Council of India 1845
> A son Frederic George MILLETT born 2.12.1837 Calcutta
> Was a Writer in 1857 A Magistrate and Collector POOREE in 1872
> He died 5. 8. 1877 at Leatherhead, Surrey
> A daughter Harriet Louisa MILLETT born 7.10.1829 BEERBHOOM
> Married 7. 1. 1852 Edward James RICKARDS, Solicitor.
> Died ???
> Issue included Geraldine RICKARDS baptised Cheam, Surrey 6. 6.1855
> Died 15.12.1947 at Tunbridge Wells, Kent spinster
> Bequests included an Old Indian sword given to her by
> Major General Sir Luke O'CONNOR VC KCB 
> VC awarded for courage at Alma, Crimea.
> Indian Mutiny, including Relef of Lucknow 1857-8 [ medal with two
> During her lifetime she walked from Lands End to John O'Groats and back
> Geraldine and her married sister Amy Margaret WILFORD occupied
> the Manor House, Edenbridge, Kent, from C1910.
> In 1913 she had an old farmhouse in the High Street renovated
> together with an old stables. She added a hall and the complex
> became a Church House. The household removed to Surbiton,
> Surrey in 1920 and in 1921 she gave Church House to the parish
> church and it has recently been purchased by Edenbridge
> Town Council.
> The buildings have over the last year been renovated and restored.
> The main building will be opening as the Eden Valley Museum on
> the 24th June next and the hall will be named Rickards Hall in
> her memory.The old stables are now the Town Council's offices
> and meeting chamber.
> A bit of a long story which has been compiled over a considerable
> period with assistance that I acknowledge with grateful thanks.
> I should like to add flesh to the bare bones of the India records.
> The Place names are a mystery to me and I would love to know
> how the General's sword came to be in the posession of Geraldine !!
> What was a Writer, please. [ Have seen the Writers building on TV ]
> I await your comments with great interest, many thanks
> Alan Dell
> Eden Valley Museum Trust, Edenbridge, Kent, UK
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I wonder if any lister has a copy of BACSA's "Calcutta- Register of Graves &
Tombs in te South Park Cemetary"
I am considering purchasing same, but the total cost in NZ dollars is $80,
and I would like to first establish whether the surnames WATERS and/or
I would be very grateful if anyone can do a quick lookup.
| Neville Thomas, New Zealand, (FIBIS#164) researching-
| FRENCH Madras: Fort St. George 1785+ Trichinopoly, Mount,
| Bengal: 1832+ Agra 1836+ Lucknow 1858+
| WATERS Bengal: Fort Wm. 1831+, Simla 1875+, Rawalpindi 1884+, Lahore
| FOX Bengal: Chunar 1841+ Sialkote 1862+ Buldana 1901
| Rawalpindi 1905 Lahore 1912-1950
| PINTO Bengal: Meerut 1880+
For more info see my web-page:
also the NZSG East India Group at;
I have been following some interesting conversations this week re: RFA and
the movement of British military personnel from India to Flanders at the
start of WWI. My Mum told me on Friday, 4/28, that her father, Henry
Barrett, was a Captain in the RFA in 'Pindi until 1914. At that time he
was sent to England and then to Flanders where he became a Major. My Mum
and her Mum and 3 younger brothers went from India to Edinburgh and stayed
there until the end of the war. Mum's exact words were: "they cleaned all
the British out of India".
Mum was born in Ferozepore, 1905 and left India 1914, so her memories are
sketchy to say the least. She went to school in 'Pindi at the "British
School for Soldier's Children".
G-dad Barrett suffered a gas hit in Flanders and left the Army. He received
"gratuity money" and went to Scotland. His lungs were affected by the gas
and he was advised to leave the Scottish climate for England. They moved to
Somerset where he purchased a chicken farm (probably not the best thing for
his lungs but who knew back then). He died in 1921 at age 47 leaving his
widow, Helen Gebby Barrett, age 36, and 5 children ages 16 (my Mum) to 3
(her baby sister, Lillian, nicknamed Billie, who was born in Edinburgh).
Mum did say that her Dad wanted "to do something with horses but WWI
prevented it" which, of course, is why they left India and he went to
I don't know if any of this will be of interest to you or any other Listers
but for what it's worth that is the Barrett/Gebby India saga. Any paperwork
g-dad had has been lost to us partially because Mum came to America 1936 and
partially due to the outbreak of WWII. Mum lost contact with her family (as
did so many others). She has no idea as to when, where or why her mother
died, or where she is buried. By the time she was able to locate two of her
brothers, 20 years had passed since the end of WWII. Her youngest brother
and her sister have never been located.
Reading this over it seems terribly sad but I'm sure there are many others
as bad or worse as a result of the wars. Humans never seem to learn!
However, here in American she has had a good life. Happily married; me, her
only child; grands and greatgrands. Now at 94, she is in fairly decent
health and may go on for quite a while yet.
Robert, if you, or anyone else, can fill in the gaps regarding 'Pindi, it
would be appreciated and enjoyed. It would be especially appreciated if
anyone knows anything at all about the Gebby family in India. I gather they
were there for several generations but I have been unable to locate any
information about them.
Cheers from Rochester, NY USA
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early time including the HEIC. (or so it says).
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