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I can only speak for my own ancestors. In the same time period, also in
the Madras Presidency, several women in my family were variously
described as Hindoo-Britons, Indoo-Britons and Indo-Britons. In each
case, they had a British father and either an Indian mother or
grandmother. It seemed to me that the term being used in this time
period (1820's to 1840's) simply meant someone of mixed race.
I hope this helps.
Cathy Day <clday(a)ozemail.com.au>
Family History in India website at
> Seeking advice from anyone who knows...
> If the parents of a child are described at her baptism (Madras
> Pres.,1837) as 'both Hindoo Britons', does one take it that -
> a) each has one Indian parent
> b) each has 'some' Indian ancestry (more than 1 generation back)
> c) either or both are Christians with a full complement of Indian
> d) 'Hindoo' really does mean Hindu
> e) 'Hindoo' just means Indian, regardless of religion
> f) 'Hindoo' could possibly include Burmese (whether Buddhist or not)
> Or is this just a blanket description suggesting "not quite British"?!
> Could someone who knows interpret please?
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Seeking advice from anyone who knows...
If the parents of a child are described at her baptism (Madras
Pres.,1837) as 'both Hindoo Britons', does one take it that -
a) each has one Indian parent
b) each has 'some' Indian ancestry (more than 1 generation back)
c) either or both are Christians with a full complement of Indian
d) 'Hindoo' really does mean Hindu
e) 'Hindoo' just means Indian, regardless of religion
f) 'Hindoo' could possibly include Burmese (whether Buddhist or not)
Or is this just a blanket description suggesting "not quite British"?!
Could someone who knows interpret please?
Transcribing a "Journal", written in 1831, I am rather stuck in deciphering
a particular sentence .
The sentence reads...
"I was told that my brother was staying with my Aunt at [Maza----] about
[?mile] from Bombay. "
Has anyone any idea what could be the name of the place that was obviously
very near to Bombay in 1831?
I am fairly sure of the Maza---- bit of the place name.
The distance is [one digit] mil- from Bombay.
This might be helpful to some. A posting from GENBRIT..................
Volume 8 of the wills proved in the Consistory Court of London is now
online at the following address:
The period covered is 1621 to 1630.
Please note that more than half of the wills are for the county of
Essex, and they appear to be otherwise unknown.
There are also many wills for those who were in the service of the East
India Company, as well as a few wills for
This might interest some of the more mature readers of this list!
"In the early afternoon hours of 1st July 1953 the British India
Steam Navigation Co's motor ship Sangola ran hard aground on
Hiraganj Sand in the River Hooghly while on a voyage from Calcutta
to Japan. The ship had a crew of 173 and 1,490 passengers on board.
Among the latter was a contingent of men of the Brigade of the
Gurkhas bound for posting in Hong Kong. As the ship's position
became more precarious through the day, these men were enlisted by
the Sangola's Master to help control and evacuate civilian
passengers, a feat accomplished without loss during the evening of
1st July and the early morning hours of 2nd July."
[Opening Paragraph from the article "The British India Trio" by
James L. Shaw and Robert Gabriel in Ships Monthly 2/1988.]
The shipwas taken into dry dock in Garden Reach where it was found to
broken its back. Over a long period of time it was repaired a feat od
engineering that was marvelled at, at that time.
She was sister ship to the MV Sirdhana and the MV Sangola.
The first day of the New Millennium is
Monday 1st January, 2001
Check it out at.....
Written with Pegasus 3.10 the non MS Email Editor.
Thank you to every one who contacted me with information as to where Deborah might be, finally the lady in question contacted me and told me where she actually was. It was a fine example of the power of the list.
May the list be with you.
Kind regards Bob Holland
I have been working these past two months to create some tables, that
hopefully can be published on the WWW that will show British Army Infantry
regiments as they existed in 1881 (at the time of the Cardwell reforms),
and allow the reader to see where they fit into today's British Army, and
back to their origin, giving all the names they were known by during their
lifetime. This will help, I trust, people to understand where their
ancestor's military unit existed in the Order of battle and thus hopefully
allow the researcher to move through military thickets faster. As well to
further speed up this task I hope to be able to show where the museum is,
any email address for same and at least one WWW page reference.
I have almost completed this task for the 109 regiments, using a mexture of
texts, some I own, and some at the State Library of NSW in Sydney. However
i have found that Litzmuller Volume 3 has two important pages missing. The
Libary is trying to track them down, but so far without success. I thinks
the pages missing are M103 and M107. the units affected are :
24th Foot between 1717 to 1751
25th Foot completely
34th Foot before 1754
Does anybody have access to this book and information and if so, could you
please email the contents of these pages as they stand.
My home page - http://usrwww.mpx.com.au/~thornempx/
Regional Royal Rangers - http://usrwww.mpx.com.au/~thornempx/rr/
Email : thorne(a)acslink.net.au
Can anyone help me to find more information on two particular ships?
1. "PROTECTOR", Captain Buttershaw, sailed November 24th. 1831 from
Gravesend to Bombay.
2. "ENGLIS", Captain Routh, sailed March 7th. 1838 from Falmouth to
Bombay.... I believe that this ship started its voyage from London date not
Further to my previous...have just learnt that 1891 census included returns
for military establishments including Royal Artillery barracks at Woolwich.
Has anyone got access to the new 1891 census CD and could check if Fred. was
there at the time?
I had recd. a umber ofrequests or a look in. i thinki have
replied everyone. if anyone has been left out pl. let me
i am unable to contact gerald oconnel s the mail is
bouncing. there are no ocnnels .the book covers only pto
1905. i am unable also to ontact roy rhodrick. ro there i no
mention of j.l.douglas. those mentioned are lt. a.s.
douglas,lt.a.douglas,lt.h.douglas and lt.robert douglas.
pl. let me know if details aout these are reqd.
I am trying to trace what regiment one of my ancestors was in, in the period
1824-1828 in Madras. His name was Benjamin LACEY but served under his
mother's maiden name of NORTON. I know that he brought his discharge from
his service. His rank at the time was as a Private.
Could somebody please tell me what regiments were stationed in Madras/Fort
St. George in that period. Any help would be much appreciated.
I've made some updates to some of my webpages. These apply mainly to
the British Army in India, so if your ancestors were not British Army
soldiers, please delete this message now! :-)
I'm slowly making a page which is a list of all British Army pensioners
resident in India 1800-1857. It is at
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~clday/pensioners.htm and is currently about
14% complete. If you click on a location where a soldier was resident,
it will take you to a small page of various locations in British India.
This page will give you a very brief description of the place (usually
only a line or two) and provide a link to an Expedia map showing the
location. The locations page is at
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~clday/locations.htm and is not meant to be a
comprehensive list of locations in British India. It only lists those
which are referenced in other parts of my website. If you have any
explanatory comments to add to individual locations (e.g. a two-line
history of the place, or a significant event) then please let me know.
In the pensioners page, I have made links for some regimental
histories. Some of them are quite comprehensive and detailed, while
others are very light on detail. New regimental histories (that apply
only to their time in India) are for the 30th Foot, 34th Foot, 76th Foot
and 78th Foot. The regimental history for the 76th Foot was kindly
supplied by Roger Capewell. The URLs are:
As you will notice with the 30th and 34th Foot, they are not very
comprehensive, and are gleaned only from books that I have at home. If
you are able to add any information to any of these pages, please let me
When they make reference to some wars in India, I have made little
webpages that provide some information about those wars, extracted from
'The Colonial Wars Source Book'. There are currently only two of them.
For the 2nd Mahratta War the URL is
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~clday/maratha.htm and for the 3rd Mahratta
War the URL is http://www.ozemail.com.au/~clday/pindari.htm
I'll slowly add more regimental histories, but only for British Army
regiments that served in India, and only for ones which don't already
have some information about them on the Internet. If someone would like
to do HEIC Army regimental histories, I'm sure that it would be very
Cathy Day <clday(a)ozemail.com.au>
Family History in India website at
Another regiment from Hart's Army List, 1873. No further information
[p = purchased commission]
Colonel George Alexander MALCOLM ; 48 years' service
Ensign : 31 Dec 1825 (p)
Lt : 7 June 1827 (p)
Capt : 30 Dec 1831 (p)
Maj : 13 Dec 1839 (p)
Brevet Lt Col : 23 Dec 1842
Col : 20 June 1854
Maj Gen : 26 Oct 1858
Lt Gen : 8 Mar 1867
Col 105th Regiment : 10 Mar 1866
Served on the first China expedition (Medal, Brevet of Col, and CB)
Lt Col John Robert MACKENZIE : 30 yrs serv.
Ens : 21 June 1843
Lt : 21 June 1847
Capt : 5 Jan 1857
Maj : 30 July 1862
Lt Col : 12 Feb 1866
Col : 12 Feb 1871
Henry James BELL ; 23 yrs serv
Ens : 14 June 1850
Lt : 15 Oct 1854
Capt : 30 July 1862
Maj : 3 Oct 1870
Francis William James SEWELL ; 19 yrs serv.
Ens : 8 June 1854
Lt : 14 June 1856
Capt : 30 July 1862
Maj : 6 Oct 1870
[1st date for Ensign, 2nd for Lieut, 3rd for Capt.]
George Canning THERRY ; 21 yrs serv.
1 Jan 1852; 23 Nov 1856; 30 July 1862
Edward GARDINER ; 19 yrs serv.
10 June 1854; 23 Nov 1856; 30 July 1862
Charles Frederick BOND ; 19 yrs serv.
10 Dec 1854; 23 Nov 1856; 31 Ovt 1863
Henry BECKLEY ; 18 yrs serv.
4 Feb 1855; 13 Mar 1857; 8 Mar 1864
Josiah WILKINSON ; 16 yrs serv.
4 Mar 1857; 19 Feb 1858; 31 Jan 1867
Edward RAIKES ; 17 yrs serv.
12 Dec 1856; 29 Apr 1858; 9 Mar 1867
Hugh Fraser WILSON ; 16 yrs serv.
4 Apr 1857; 7 July 1859; 17 Apr 1869
William Staines DANIELL ; 16 yrs serv.
1 Sep 1857; 7 Mar 1869; 17 Apr 1869
Served with the Transport Train throughout the Abyssinian campaign
from 4th Dec 1867 to 15th June 1868 (mentioned in despatches for
"ability, energy, and zeal," Medal)
Edward Daniel WAY ; 15 yrs serv.
4 Sep 1858; 14 Apr 1862; 6 Nov 1870
John william DARVILL ; 15 yrs serv.
12 Sep 1858; 31 Oct 1863; 28 Oct 1871
George Benjamin WOLSELEY ; 16 yrs serv.
Brigade Major, Morar, Bengal.
18 Sep 1857; 24 Aug 1858; 21 Mar 1868
Served with the 84th Regt during the latter part of the Indian
Mutiny, and was engaged in all the minor affairs in the Shahabad
District under Sir John Douglas (Medal).
Henry Watts Russell de COETLOGEN ; 15 yrs serv.
27 Mar 1858; 3 June 1859 (p) ; 3 Feb 1872
[1st date for Ensign, 2nd for Lieut.]
Thomas KELLY ; 11 yrs serv.
21 Nov 1862 (p) ; 23 Aug 1864 (p) ; Adjutant : 22 Nov 1865
Robert George NEWBOLT ; 13 yrs serv.
4 Aug 1860; 31 Jan 1867
James John DAVY ; 9 yrs serv.
10 Feb 1864; 9 Mar 1867
Herbert Charles SYMONS ; 9 yrs serv.
3 June 1864; 15 July 1868; Instructor of Musketry : 3 Oct 1870
Loraine Geddes HAY ; 8 yrs serv.
23 June 1865; 22 Aug 1868
George Henry FERRIER ; 6 yrs serv.
11 Jan 1867; 17 Apr 1869
George Philip Francis BYNG ; 6 yrs serv.
11 Jan 1867; 18 May 1869
Francis Grant MALTBY ; 6 yrs serv.
6 July 1867; 18 May 1869
William Whitmore BEAGIN ; 5 yrs serv.
8 Jan 1868; 22 Sep 1869
Charles Grenville MANSEL ; 5 yrs serv.
8 July 1868; 20 July 1870
Charles stafford Stephen WHITEHILL ; 5 yrs serv.
1 Aug 1868; 6 Nov 1870
William Douglas GRAHAM ; 5 yrs serv.
2 Aug 1868; 5 July 1871
William Edward HILLIARD ; 4 yrs serv.
4 Feb 1869; 28 Oct 1871
Frederick chase COOPER ; 4 yrs serv.
7 July 1869; 28 Oct 1871
Reginald James MORRISON ; 6 yrs serv.
20 July 1867 (p); 27 Oct 1871 (p)
Arthur Frederick BARROW ; 4 yrs serv.
18 Aug 1879; 28 Oct 1871
William COLES ; 4 yrs serv.
21 Aug 1869; 28 Oct 1871
Francis STEVENSON ; 3 yrs serv.
8 Feb 1870; 28 Oct 1871
Edmund George REILLY ; 3 yrs serv.
6 July 1870; 28 Oct 1871
Sub Lieut Arthur WIGGINS ; 1 yr's serv. Sub Lt : 14 Aug 1872
Paymaster - Alexander DAVIDSON ; 27 yrs serv.
Riding Master : 19 July 1836
Lt : 29 Mar 1857
Paymaster : 12 Aug 1862
Hon.Capt : 12 Aug 1867
Surgeon - Wallace HAYWARD ; 19 yrs serv.
Asst Surg : 7 June 1854; Surg : 2 Mar 1866
Served with the 34th Regt in the Crimea from Dec 1854, incl. the
seige and fall of Sebastopol (Medal with Clasp & Turkish Medal).
Served also in Indian campaign 1857-58, incl. the actions at
Cawnpore on 26th, 27th and 28th Nov 1857, seige & capture of
Lucknow & relief of Azimghur (Medal with Clasp).
Asst Surg. : Alexander ANDERSON ; 6 yrs serv.
Asst Surg : 1 Oct 1867
106th Regt Foot (Bombay Light Infantry) follows.
Hello India List
I have been fascinated reading the India List which I have recently joined
I am in the process of trying to write a personal family history, part of
which includes my fathers service in Mesopotamia in 1916.
During my research and reading I have come accross references to a number
of official Government publications printed in Delhi and Simla which
concern the Indian Army involvement in Mesopotamia in 1915-18.
I have not been successful in locating these publications in Australia so
far and I would very much like to find out if anyone on the India List is
aware of them and if they can be accessed in an Indian Library.
I would like to obtain a copy of them - photocopies would be aceptable and
of course I would pay for any costs involved.
The publications are :
Crtitical Study of the Campaign in Mesopotamia up to April 1917 (Compiled
by officers of the Staff College, Quetta, October-November 1923).
Indian Government Inquiries Report - Mesopotamia - Report as to Sheikh
Saad. Printed Delhi : Super Gov Printer 1916.
Indian Government Inquiries Report - Mesopotamia - Report on 3rd. Indian
Army Corps.Printed Delhi : Super Gov Printer 1917
Indian Government Inquiries Report - Mesopotamia - Sheikh Saad to Basra
Lines of Communications Printed Delhi : Super Gov Printer 1917
Indian Government Inquiries Report - Mesopotamia - Report on Basrah Base
Printed Simla : Gov. Monotype Press 1916.
I believe that this reports would give me a very interesting insight into
the conditions which the Indian and British soldiers had to serve in this
so called side show during the First World War.
Hope to hear from anyone who might be able to help.
Seeking information a military cemetery utilized during Second World War in India. I was trying to confirm information on an operation my father was on in June 1945 in the Naga Hills region of India. He and three others went into the hills to recover the remains of a deceased Allied air transport pilot who crashed days earlier. His body was recovered and interred in a miltary cemetery in the region. I there a listing of such cemeteries and their disposition following cessation of hostilities.