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Searching information on the following family
Descendants of George William Sawday
sailed for India in 1876
1 George William Sawday buried in 1943 Mysore India,
was a missionary, all children born in India.
b: March 10, 1854 in Sidmouth
.. +Sarah Trot Curnock
b: August 05, 1852 in 1 Wesley St. Oldbury Worchester
m: November 28, 1877 in English Chapel, Bangalore, Mysore State India
......... 2 George Curnock Sawday
......... 2 Kathleen Mary Sawday
......... 2 Muriel Burt Sawday
......... 2 Stanley Kessen Sawday
......... 2 Dorothy Sawday
......... 2 Edith Nuttall Sawday
......... 2 Dr. Albert Ernest Sawday
Thanks Paul William Harding
Dear Folks: I've recently joined this group as I'm writing a history
of Armenians in Singapore and Malaysia. As a number came from India
or via India, I have some odd other pieces of information that
someone may find useful. I c an look up names in them.
Thackers Bengal Directory 1879
Anthony JC - Arratoon G; Atkinson R P- Ayden JPW; Greenwood
Madame- Grieff P.
Thackers 1884 Directory
Anelli CW- Armstrong O C [Lt R Irish R] Sandeman Lt-Col. Sir R G -
Sarkies S C
Some Births deaths and marriages from Calcutta March - April 1821
from Prince of Wales Gazette and Asiatic Journal no 70.
Military promotions in Madras - Artillary, Ordnance, Medical sections;
furloughs march -june 1821
>From Prince of Wales Island Gazette April 1824
Dau. born to Mrs W H Little at Calcutta on 28 Jan.
Dau. born to Mrs Henry Butler at Calcutta on 28 Jan
Son born to Mrs Thomas Eastman at Calcutta on 30 Jan
Son born to C G Blagrave Civil Service at Calcutta on 31 Jan
Regards Nadia Wright
In between studying, I've added a few more pages to the Family History
in India website. Firstly, I've added five more pages of Jill Grey's
wonderful transcriptions from Hart's Army List. They are Veterinary
Officers, Ecclesiastical Officers and Officers of the Royal Bengal,
Madras and Bombay Fusiliers. Please go to the Names of Europeans page at
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~clday/misc.htm and look in the section on
Jill Grey's transcriptions.
Douglas and Audrey Augier have transcirbed all the names of the
participants in the Siege of Lucknow, which they extracted from a book.
They even turned it into HTML for me! Their work can be found at
All of the above names have been included in the composite index which,
as always, can be found at
http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/srchsite.pl?site=INDIA for individual
surnames (where you know the EXACT spelling) or
http://surhelp-bin.rootsweb.com/surindx.pl?site=INDIA for the full
Thanks to Douglas, Audrey and Jill for their controbutions.
Cathy Day <clday(a)ozemail.com.au>
Family History in India website at
Thanks everyone for all your help. For those interested in the areas
above, modesty doesn't forbid me mentioning http:\\www.geocities.com/The
Tropics/Cove/3928/. Bit slow to load but there are some recent
I recently found out from an elderly aunt, and from a newspaper from
Manitoba, that Alfred Richard Nex, born 1827, died 1901, was married and
living in India, and was a survivor of the Indian Mutiny. He apparently
joined the British Army at a very young age, and then was sent to India
in the 1850's, and served 9 years before going back to England. We
think he was married twice, and his first wife could possibly have died
in childbirth in India, we do know that there were 4 children born in
India, and are buried there. We believe he married again in England in
1854 to Mathilda Jane Hutton, and had 4 more children born in England.
The family came to Canada in 1890 (from 1901 census) On one of the
entries Alfred Richard Nex was listed as "occupational theatre of war"
??????? Any information would be greatly appreciated. Margaret Nex
Is there someone (Brian, perhaps?) who knows exactly where
Pallaverano is or was? Two of my Granduncles were baptised at
'Ootacamund, Pallaverano' in the 1880s. No church is mentioned
on the baptismal entry, but the parents' abode is also given as
Pallaverano - not (I assume) to be confused with Pallaveram which
was then very close - and is probably now a suburb of - Madras City.
I have a somewhat later detailed map of Ootacamund ... so detailed
that it maps the positions of named individual houses, but no sign
Am I confusing it with Pallaveram, which was several miles away,
and which would surely not 'count' as Ooty, or is it a quite separate
place in the Nilgiri Hills?
I am researching the LUFF family from India. Having joined the list only
on the 12th May 1999,I notice that there are a lot of folks in the same
predicament as me hence I have decided to have another go at requesting if
there is anyone who can assist me in my search.
1. My father's name was ALOYSIUS CHARLES JAMES or JOSEPH LUFF born in
Lahore India on the 20th October 1888 and died in Calcutta on the 14th
November 1945.He was buried at the Lower Circular Road Cemetery
Calcutta.His father's name was Charles Luff but that is all I know of my
grandfather. They were of the Roman Catholic Faith. I wish to know if my
father A.C. J. LUFF had any brothers and sisters? I also wish to know if
anyone in Lahore or from that place can shed some light on my Grandmother
as I don't have a name to fall back on there.
2. A. C. J. Luff second marriage was to my mother Ethel Blanche nee Currion
on the 14th May 1928 at the office of the Registrar General of Births,
Deaths,and Marriages, Calcutta West Bengal India. Ethel Blanche was the
third child of William Joseph Currion & Adelaide ( no maiden name known)and
was born on 24th September 1905 at Kharapur India. this I know is a Railway
Colony of the Bengal Nagpur Railway . She died on the 13th December 1977 at
the North Middlesex Hospital Edmondton England.
4. A.C.J.Luff (my father) worked on the Eastern Indian Railway which later
changed to be called the Eastern Bengal Railway (I may be wrong about the
name change)At the time of retirement he was Traffic Superintendent
(Inspector) E.B.Railway Rajbari ( now Bangladesh).Being an officer on the
Railway during WW2 He was given the rank of Lieutenant in the Indian
Engineers.I also seem to recollect seeing a photograph in an album of
A.C.J. Luff in unifofm in the British Army during WW1 ? Well being born in
1888 it was quite possible. There is a possibity that I have Half brothers
or sisters from my father's first marriage and would be glad to hear from
them or of them.I am 68 yrs old and time is getting on hence this search on
behalf of my childern.
Thanking all in anticipation of hearing some good news.
Tasmania Australia reyel(a)southcom.com.au
Alfred and Jill
On Monday, 24 May, 1999 6:58, Alfred Gabb [SMTP:ALFRED.GABB@BTINTERNET.COM]
> Hi Jill
> Jill said
> > The internal working of the regimental system has a life of its own...
> > ...I'm baffled by the fact that the Royal Madras Fusiliers should have
> > fetched up in Naas (Naas!), Ireland, in 1880 and were recruited from
> > Elgin in Scotland before amalgamating with the 103rd to become the
> > 1st Batt. Royal Dublin Fusiliers who - as far as I can see - never set
> > boot in any other part of Ireland, never mind Dublin ! (Previous
> > recruitment to the Reg was from the EIC).
> According to Philip Mason in 'A Matter of Honour',the Bombay Fusiliers,
> also ended up with the 103rd regt Royal Dublin Fusiliers, were started in
> 1668 from four companies of British (Kings) troops that arrived in Bombay
> 1662.He does not name the regt. Perhaps they were from an Irish Regt?
> Alfred Gabb
Recruitment was a major problem always for the British Army which was a
purely voluntary Army until WWI. The British Govts needed troops to send
overseas to act as colonial policement (said lightly) in an ever expanding
Empire. Casualty rates amongst troops was very high, as conditions of
service were arduous and at times the colonies were death traps, e.g. the
Whilst the Scotish Highlands had an abundance of unwanted men (ie prior to
the Clearances) the Highlands were a great recruiting source. Hence the
myriad numbers of regiments with numbers in the 70s, 80s and 90s, eg 93
Regiment of Foot (The Argyll) Highalnders etc.. However some 70,000 men (I
believe) were recruited between 1750 and 1800 from the Highlands, which
drained this area. Moreover the Scotish Chieftans had started their drive
to convert ot sheep which were more profitable and so many Highland
families went to canada, New Zealand Australia.
So where to get soldiers next ? Ireland was the next pool that was
untapped - well less well tapped than Scotland.
The British Army did try to allocate areas for Recruitment, that was one of
the aims of the 1820's regimental name reforms - tying regiments to
locations. Look through a list of regiments and I supsect that every
English County is mentioned once at least and Yorkshire (a large one
Alfred) several times. The policy may have not been as successful as some
people think but the attempt was made to divide England and then Scotland
into areas for regimental recruitment.
So then the Britsih Army gained the 101 to 109th Foot, courtesy of the
HEIC. So where to give them recruitment areas, at least nominal ones - not
already allocated ? Ireland was the answer. Remember that 19th Century
bureaucrats were just like late 20th Century ones - everything must be nice
and tidy (and we don't want regiments fighting over areas do we?)
Hope this helps - this is my 2 cents worth - based on Military History
reading and observation of Public Servants and Civil Servants, all
bureaucrats the world over). I am not trying to be offensive to any
bureacrat, rather trying to show they had to find a solution to a problem
and they did - Ireland.
Would someone out there possibly have access to any of the following
periodicals or books where they might look something up for me?
My GGGrandfather William Augustus BAYLIS owned a coffee plantation in Ceylon
about 1860 - 1870. I have been told that the place names that are listed for
the births of his children might be the names of plantations as they could
not be found on maps. The place names are: Kalibauka, Ceylon (year or birth
1864) and Mansenat, Ceylon (year of birth 1867)
Any help will be mostly appreciated.
There have been requests for names in the Bengal Medical Dept
(with locations) from Hart's Army List, 1873, so without more ado ....
Inspector General of Hospitals (ranking with Brig.General) -
John Campbell BROWN, CB.
Asst. Surg. : 5 July 1836; Inspector Gen. : 21 Nov 1870
Hon. Surgeon to the Queen, Calcutta.
Deputy Inspector Gen. of Hospitals (ranking with Colonel) -
Charles Lindsay COX
Asst Surg : 27 July 1841; Insp.Gen.: 22 June 1867
Furlough to Europe
Deputy Insps.Gen.of Hospitals (ranking with Lt.Cols) -
Daniel James O'CALLAGHAN
Asst Surg : 8 Jan 1842; Insp.Gen.: 31 Mar 1868
Furlough to Europe
Charles ARCHER, MD.
Asst Surg : 10 Feb 1842; Insp.Gen.: 6 June 1868
Asst Surg : 8 July 1842; Insp.Gen.: 28 July 1868
Asst Surg : 9 Sep 1842; Insp.Gen.: 21 Dec 1868
John Fullarton BEATSON, MD.
Asst Surg : 16 June 1843; Insp Gen.: 20 Apr 1869
Charles Richard FRANCIS, MB.
Asst Surg : 16 Jan 1844; Insp.Gen.: 16 Mar 1870
Henry Bruges BUCKLE, CB.
Asst Surg : 18 Mar 1844; Insp.Gen.: 4 Oct 1870
Asst Surg : 12 Jan 1845; Insp.Gen. :10 May 1871
Rawul Pindee Circle
John Nicholas TRESIDDER
Asst Surg : 1 Mar 1845; Insp.Gen.: 31 Mar 1872
Charles Manner SMITH
Asst Surg : 19 Mar 1845; Insp.Gen.: 31 Mar 1872
James Pattison WALKER, MD
Asst Surg : 5 Apr 1845; Insp.Gen.: 22 June 1872
Surgeons Major (ranking with Lt Cols, but junior of that rank)
[1st date is for Asst.Surg., 2nd for Surg.Major; N.I. = Native Infantry]
30 Aug 1838; 1 Oct 1858
Supt of Botanical Gardens, Saharunpore, N.W.Prov, 29 Mar 1843
Samuel Adamson HOMAN
3 Mar 1842; 3 Mar 1862
John Barton HARRISON, MD
1 Feb 1843; 1 Feb 1863
Medical Storekeeper, Allahabad
Francis TURNBULL, MD
11 Feb 1845; 11 Feb 1865
James Tyrell CARTER ROSS
26 July 1845; 26 July 1865
Sec.to the Insp.Gen.of Hospitals, Indian Med.Dept, Saugor Circle,
Jubbulpore, 30 Mar 1870
Andrew FLEMING, MD.
20 Sep 1845; 20 Sep 1865
Civil, Cuttack, 22 June 1869
Charles PALMER, MD.
20 Feb 1846; 20 Feb 1866
Presidency and Marine Surgeon, 25 Nov 1864
Donald McDONALD, MD.
20 Apr 1846; 20 Apr 1866
Principal Medical Storekeeper to Govt at Presidency, 8 May 1871.
Sick Furlough to Europe
Henry Mills CANNON, MB.
1 June 1846; 1 June 1866
James Bannatyne Samuel BROWN
20 Oct 1846; 20 Oct 1866
Officiating 3rd Bengal Cavalry
George Hutchinson RAY, MD.
3 Jan 1847; 3 Jan 1867
13th Bengal Cavalry
Edward Courtenay THORP, MD
20 Jan 1847; 20 Jan 1867
Officiating Civil, Tirhoot
20 Jan 1847; 20 Jan 1867
Civil, Benares, 6 Aug 1864. Furlough to Europe
James IRVING, MD.
27 May 1847; 27 May 1867
Civil, Allahabad, 9 Nov 1860. Sick Furlough to Europe
Alexander Laing BOGLE, MD.
20 Oct 1847; 20 Oct 1867
Sick Furlough to Europe
George Richard PEMBERTON, MD.
20 Jan 1848; 20 Jan 1868
Officiating Civil, Bijnour
John Campbell BOW, MD.
20 Apr 1848; 20 Apr 1868
Medical Storekeeper at Sealkote
21 June 1848; 21 June 1868
1st Bengal Cavalry
2 July 1848; 2 July 1868
Supt.Gen.of Vaccination, Rohildcund Division, N.W.Provs, 1 Mar 1864
Norman CHEVERS, MD
1 Aug 1848; 1 Aug 1868
Principal and Prof.of Med., Calcutta Med.College, and ex-officiating
1st Physician; and College Hospital, 27 Apr 1861. Furlough
Frederick Freeman ALLEN, CB.
20 Nov 1848; 20 nov 1858
2nd Goorkha Regt
Arthur James PAYNE, MD.
20 Dec 1848; 20 Dec 1860
Supt of European and Native Insane Asylums, Bhowaneepore and
Dullunda. Sick Furlough to Europe
24 Nov 1849; 24 Nov 1869
Insp.Gen. of Prisons & Dispensaries, N.W.Provs. Sick Furl. to Europe
David YOUNG, MD
20 Mar 1850; 20 Mar 1870
Sick Furlough to Australia
Joseph FAYRER, MD.CSI
29 June 1850; 29 June 1870
Hon.Physician to the Queen. Prof of Surgery, Med.Coll. of Calcutta,
& ex-officiating Surg. College Hospital, 23 June 1860. Furl to Europe
William Henry ADLEY
2 Sep 1850; 2 Sep 1870
Henry Francis WILLIAMS, MD.
20 Nov 1850; 20 Nov 1870
Edward John VIVIAN
20 Nov 1850; 20 Nov 1870
James Alexander C. HUTCHINSON, MD.
20 Nov 1850; 20 nov 1870
Officiating Civil, Boolundshuhur, 27 Feb 1871
John Barclay SCRIVEN
11 Jan 1851; 11 Jan 1871
Civil, Lahore, 7 Feb 1871
Joseph Walter Raleigh AMESBURY
20 Jan 1851; 20 Jan 1871
9 July 1851; 9 July 1871
With 7th Bengal Cavalry
Annesley Charles Castriot De RENZY
29 July 1851; 29 July 1871
Sanitary Commissioner, Punjab, 6 Mar 1868. Sick Furlough to Europe
Alexander CHRISTISON, MD.
20 Oct 1851; 20 Oct 1871
Civil, Agra, and Supt of Lunatic Asylum
James McNabb CUNINGHAM, MD.
20 Nov 1851; 20 nov 1871
Sanitary Commissioner with the Govt of India, 16 June 1869
Joseph Christian CORBYN, MB.
24 Nov 1851; 24 Nov 1871
Civil, Bareilly, 31 Oct 1868. Furlough to Europe
George Moncrieff GOVAN, MD.
20 Dec 1851; 20 Dec 1871
3rd Goorkha Regt
Richard Henry PERKINS
20 Apr 1852; 20 Apr 1872
Stephen Chapman TOWNSEND
1 June 1852; 1 June 1872
Supt of Vaccination & Sanitary Commissioner for Central Provs. Furlough
William Burns BEATSON, MD.
30 June 1852; 30 June 1872
Civil, Nagpore, 21 Feb 1868
Charles Thomas PASKE
26 Aug 1852; 26 Aug 1872
William Frederick Blyth DALZEL, MD.
20 Sep 1852; 20 Sep 1872
Samuel Bowen PARTRIDGE
12 Oct 1852; 12 Oct 1872
Professor of Surgical & Descriptive Anatomy, etc, Med.College,
Calcutta and ex-officiating 2nd Surg., College Hospital, and
Supt.Sukeas-st Dispensary, 2 Feb 1859. Furlough to Europe
There's no further information given on any of these names.
Surgeons follow shortly.
In message <00b101beab0a$c027a980$636560cb@deananne>, Dean and Anne
>My gr gr grandmother (mothers maiden name was BOURCHIER) wrote on a piece of
>Charles Bourchier Govenor of Madras
>son of Richard Bourchier Govenor of Bombay
>was born at Bombay Dec 18th 1726
>Came to Hazelburg College to be educated 1738
>Returned to India as a Cadet 1744
>Taken prisoner by the french with the Nabol Mohamed Ali afterwards they were
>All his property was sold June 1808
>he died 1810
Your Hazelburg College is likely to be Haileybury College. The present
day Haileybury College is a public school, founded on the site of the
older East India College in 1862, shortly after the East India Company
was dissolved in 1858. Prior to that dissolution, the College was the
training centre for young men before they went out to India to work in
the EIC administration.
Drake Software web site: http://www.tdrake.demon.co.uk
I've been a subscriber to the list for a while now and this is my first
letter. I would like to say the information that gets tossed around is
certainly informational and intriguing.
Let me introduce my family. Both my parents were born and raised in India.
My father Andranick Sooren Joseph BASIL/BARSEGHIAN born 2.11.1935 in
Birmitrapore/Birmitrapur (can someone please direct me to a map where I can
pinpoint location), Orissa and my mother Maureen Ann ALPHONSO born
30.9.1938 in Assam. My grandfather on my fathers side, Sooren/Surik Joseph
BASIL has ancestors that originate from Armenia and my grandmother, Alma
Magdalene GURIA from India. My grandfather on my mothers side Leonard
George ALPHONSO was born in Moulmein, Burma but ancestors are probably
Portugese and grandmother Phyllis Edna LUCAS born in either Moulmein, Burma
or Klontarf?? (unsure of spelling and location) in Ireland. (2 differing
family stories) but we know that her family is of Irish descent. I am also
trying to locate Julfa in Iran which is where I think my greatgrandfather
was born after his family along with their community were moved out of
I am still doing a lot of reading and research but would appreciate any
help with places I can't find and would love to hear from anyone who finds
these names familiar.
Many thanks in advance,
Researching BASIL/BARSEGHIAN, GURIA, GODSE, ALPHONSO, LUCAS.
My gr gr grandmother (mothers maiden name was BOURCHIER) wrote on a piece of
Charles Bourchier Govenor of Madras
son of Richard Bourchier Govenor of Bombay
was born at Bombay Dec 18th 1726
Came to Hazelburg College to be educated 1738
Returned to India as a Cadet 1744
Taken prisoner by the french with the Nabol Mohamed Ali afterwards they were
All his property was sold June 1808
he died 1810
If anyone can help me validate these notes, and find out more about these
people I would very much appreciate it
The places you mentioned are all places occurring in my research. Do the
names, NUNN, HOLTON, L'ESTRANGE, SYKES, DOVE or BAKER mean anything to you?
I shall try your map idea.
Thanking you and Good Luck in your endeavours.
Helen in wet and windy Worthing
WATSON + GORE + RICHARDSON - NFK/SFK boarders
NUNN + L'ESTRANGE + HOLTON - S.India + UK
MORLEY + POTTS - Warwickshire ,Leeds & Glasgow
SCOTT + CARDY +GLASS - Scottish Borders, Worcs & Lancs
CARDY - Glasgow
From: JillGrey <JillGrey(a)dial.pipex.com>
To: INDIA-L(a)rootsweb.com <INDIA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 30 May 1999 11:53
Subject: Personal maps
>Most researchers will probably have found, as I certainly have,
>that the nature of the Indian beast involved an unprecedented amount
>of moving around : births, marriages, deaths and posts in several parts
>of the continent. One ends up with a mass of locations, some of them
>in out-of-the-way corners of India away from the main cities. After a
>while one forgets exactly where these places are on the map, so I'm
>passing on a tip which some people might decide is a waste of time but
>others might find useful.
>It helps to find a map with as little detail as possible, such as the
>outline maps often provided in books on India (although it could be
>done with any map). As an example, there's a clear outline map
>inside the front cover of Mason's _A Matter of Honour_ which would
>do very well. If you make a black and white photocopy of the map, you
>can then mark the places relevant to family events with coloured pens
>and make some kind of key to the marks, or placenames, beside the
>map itself. (If there are already places marked on the printed map which
>you don't need, you can 'tippex' them out on the photocopy and
>recopy the result.)
>It was only when I did this that I fully realised how much my family
>travelled about. Having established that my Gt Grandmother's
>children, for example, were born in Ootacamund, Secunderabad,
>Coimbatore, Thayetmyo in Burma etc etc after her marriage in
>Bangalore, it was only when I'd and mapped them that it occurred
>to me just how much she travelled about with her husband's
>regiment, (presumably while pregnant) and what a grim time she must
>have had giving birth to these children without the family around her.
>It's just a suggestion, but I do recommend it. Of course I might be the
>last person on the list to have had the idea!
Mrs Robert Allison (first name may have been Ella) was reported in a
Canadian newspaper to have died at Baugalon [sic] India 26 August 1906
at Curzon Hospital of heart failure. The 1901 Canadian census gave
her date of birth as 29 Feb 1856. She and her husband had gone to
India to see or stay with their son. Question: would a church or civil
record add anything to what I already know? would the city likely be
Bangalore? what cemetery would she be buried in? While residing in
Fort William Ontario Canada the Allisons were Methodist.
Some Hart's Army lists are available for purchase, the 1840, 1860, 1880,
1895 have all been reproduced and are available for sale at around £40 each.
I managed to get a copy of the 1854 by the rather lewd practice of going to
a large library in the UK that has a complete run of such books and
photocopying it (the 1854 cost me about £10 to photocopy), ditto with the
1857. But then, needs must!
Besides my own book which has 50,000 men detailed, the remainder of my
database (140,000 men) is from printed works or extrapolated from Medal
rolls at the PRO.