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Hmmmm! Paid look ups - are not great Kharma. I believe that where
possible we should contribute what we can to the list and not seek
payment. (Support to the list administrator, the hardware etc and the
pipe that supports the list is another matter).
I have the medal rolls for The Mutiny 1857-59, The Second Afghan War
1878-80 and Waterloo plus Honours and award to the Indian Army (Indians
I will be happy to do free look ups for the first ten requests. Last
time with my Army List look offer up I got swamped, but ten look ups is
fine and should help our Kiwi chum etc.
Let me know who you want nailed down. Remember my primary interest is
medals and Indian Army units.
My regards to the List
Can anyone tell me what "silver cholic" was--it's listed as cause of death
for a member of the Buffs 1928-India...
Also, how would I find out who the maharajh (?) of Indore was in the
1930's--my mother remembers him coming to her house in an Austin car..nja
As a new subscriber, I have been invited to introduce myself and my
India-resident forbears. I am an amateur genealogist of about 40 years
experience (when time permits) and about 40 minutes internet experience - so
still finding my way around!
My grandfather Arthur Patrick BAILEY born Madras 11 Feb 1879, son of James
William BAILEY, born Kildare, Ireland October 1843, joined H.M.45th Regt and
served in India-Abyssinia-India-Burma-India then transferred to Commissariat
Dept. at Fort St. George as Sergeant. He married Anne Cecilia EVANS in
R.C.Cathedral in Madras on 18 Dec 1871. They had two (surviving) children.
He died 25 Jan 1882 and buried St. Patrick's cemetery, Bodyguard Rd. Madras.
Anne was born at St. Thomas' Mount on 24 Feb 1849 and died Bangalore (??)
on 1st Jul 1919 and buried (???). She was daughter of Edward Paul EVANS born
Lewisham, Kent 24 Feb 1811. Joined HEIC Army after being "silversmith" in
Oct 1829 and sent to Madras as Gunner in 3rd Batt. Artillery. After being
Laboratory Sergeant he became Conductor of Ordnance and died Madras 20 Aug
1872. He is buried in St. Patrick's as above. He married the "14-year-old"
Catherine EVERS, born (Somewhere???) in India,daughter of Gunner/Bombadier
Peter EVERS of 1st, then 2nd Batt. Madras Artillery. She died in Madras 29
Nov 1893. Peter EVERS had been a weaver, born in Drogheda, Louth, Ireland
and returned there in 1849 to retire.
Any further information would be gratefully received on
Peter Bailey, Weybridge, Surrey, UK
I have transcribed into databases:
A. The Index to East India Company Bonds & Covenants. This consists of over
3,000 names of early 'employees' of the Company and several of the Company's
vessels, from 1607 to 1770. They are copied from Eng. Ms. 153 in the John
Rylands Library, Univ. of Manchester. It is emphasized that this is merely
an index, and so little more than a list of names. The bonds themselves were
probably destroyed a century ago.
B. Baptisms at the Portuguese Mission Church on Nossa Senhora de Expectaçáo
at St. Thomas' Mount, Madras, near to the HQ of the Madras Artillery
(established 1775). (They are, naturally, Roman Catholic). This consists of
names of over 2,000 persons of European and of mixed race from 1751 to 1880.
Note - this does not include records of St. Patrick's church at St. Thomas'
Mount (constructed 1839) which should have been forwarded to the Presidency
authorities from 1835 onwards and now reside in the OIOC. So, I believe that
these are all 'new' records.
I should be pleased to search these for subscribers if they would like to
submit brief and specific requests stating the database (A or B) and the
name of interest.
Pls. note that the "B" records are in Portuguese and I may have to
"estimate" some of the records for you. For example, their is no letter 'k'
in Portuguese, so that Kerrigan is spelled 'Querigin'!
To economize on time and effort, please forgive me if I do not reply to
requests for which I find no appropriate entry and only reply, with details,
where an appropriate entry is found. I do undertake to search for all
requests so, if you receive no reply, pls. understand that there is no
Messages to Peter Bailey on peter(a)sentosa.swinternet.co.uk
A happy and holy Easter to all our readers!
Peter Bailey, Weybridge, Surrey, England
I came upon this question and answer in the Guardian on line.
I think it is of interest to the list.
The totals given for those killed by Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot usually
include deaths from starvation as a result of social and economic
policy. While Britain's Indian empire was a thriving concern, famines
were not unusual - I read of 20 million dead in the 19th century - so
can any of our imperial figures be counted among history's mass
ABSOLUTELY NOT. China, which escaped imperial control, suffered even
worse famines than India in the 19th century, and continued to suffer
them for the first three decades of the 20th century. By this time
India, though still subject to occasional devastating epidemics
(plagues, influenza) had effectively banished famine, at least in
peacetime. Nineteenth-century Indian famines were essentially
climatically driven. For most of the year, most of India has very little
rainfall, but sometimes the intensely wet monsoon season fails, and if
there is insufficient stored water, crops fail. When irrigation is
inadequate, roads are almost non-existent, and the transport of food is
dependent on oxen, famine relief is almost impossible. The British in
India, whatever their faults, gave much thought to the problem of
preventing drought turning into famine; and although there were
occasional horrific examples of the administration finding itself out of
its depth (notably the Orissa famine of 1867), considerable progress was
made. By the 1880s, when the rains failed, an established programme for
dealing with famine relief was well established. Equally important, the
British placed great emphasis on infrastructural development, with
railway building and canal construction (both for irrigation and
transport) providing physical mechanisms to ensure that large areas did
not have to go without food.
Dr Colin Crough, Harrow Weald, Middlesex.
There is a possibility that your NATIO / NARCIO could have been NARCIS which
is an Armenian name and was not uncommon in India.
From: Christine Fiske <cfiske(a)river.net.au>
To: INDIA-L(a)rootsweb.com <INDIA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Wednesday, 31 March, 1999 9:06
Subject: New to this List
> This is my first posting to this list .
>I never thought in my wildest dreams that I would end up searching in Burma
>for the birth of my Great grandfather. JOHN EDWARDS. As all my searching
>has been concentrated in Liverpool untill now
>However, after finally deciphering the name of the
>place where he ( JOHN )was born, i find that it is MOULMEIN
>This information was given by him when he signed on The Ship Bristollian
>in Liverpool in 1880, incidentally he died on this ship when it ran aground
>off Anticosti off the coast of Quebec on Nov 22 1880
>My next problem is looming as a huge brick wall as my mum said that JOHN
>EDWARDS (her Grandfather) was not really named EDWARDS but was Spanish and
>his real name was something like NATIO or NARCIO and that his own parents
>had died and he was brought up by an uncle who was cruel to him and he ran
>away to sea.( Sounds familiar)
>JOHN EDWARDS was married to Agnes Tripp in the church of St Mary Magdalene
>in Liverpool UK in 1973 .
>On his marriage certificate he gave his father as John Edwards also,
>occupation; MERCHANT. I have read that MOULAMEIN was a Teak port and wonder
>if John's father traded there .
>Is there any way that I could track births in Burma in 1835.
>Were there any Spanish in Burma at that time ( silly question as I guess
>sailors were everywhere )
> I feel that I am really looking for the proverbial 'needle ' as I am sure
>that he would not have been listed as John Edwards . But I guess that I
>have something to go by with the name NATIO NARCIO My mother always said
>that when ever her mother mentioned the name it reminded her of NARCISSUS.
>I do not have local access to LDS files and i can't get to Melbourne for a
>whole day as this means leaving my mother by herself.
>Does any kind person out there have access to any information.
>I look forward to being part of this list as I really enjoy the other
>Regards From Christine Fiske in Australia
>==== INDIA Mailing List ====
>Zipped versions of previous mailings to the INDIA List
>can be found at the website of Ian Poyntz :
I have just purchased the following book which may be of interest to
Education,,,1600-1947 Anglo-Indian Legacy: A Brief Guide to British Raj
India History, Nationality, Railways & Irrigation. by Alfred D. F.
(George) Gabb. Published by Quack Books, Yorks. 164 pages. It is
available from the author at Church Farm Bungalow, Overton, York, North
Yorkshire YO30 1YL, England. Tel: (01904)470076. E-mail:
alfred.Gabb(a)btinternet.com Price 6 pounds; postage 1 pound UK & 1.50
overseas surface mail, 3 pounds overseas airmail. Regards, Walt Deas.
Folk you would have read Subhasis's earlier message to Cathy Day. He has
been corresponding with me to seek information on the AIs and Railways
connection. His latest piece I have attached below. Are there any of you
out there who might assist him? I am mailing his earlier correspondence
to AI associations in Australia. I am not exactly sure what he is
wanting in all this. I've asked him to tell me. In the mean time would
someone please pass this message on to AI associations in Canada, UK, US
and India. I will cover the Oz ones.
>Subhasis Ganguly <gangulii(a)yahoo.com> wrote
>Subject: Re: AIs and Railways
>Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 00:34:02 -0800 (PST)
I have been able to lay my hands on some of the
>recores of Bengal-Nagpur Railway where many Anglo-Indians use to work.
>Their centres use to be Kharagpur, Khurda road, Titilagarh, Adra,
>Dongarh, Jharsuguda, Santragachi, Shdol, Bhojudi, Nainpur etc., I have
been able to trace some of the records from 1930-1948 which could be of
immense interests for the Anglo-Indian serving in the Railway. As a
sample I am reproducing below a small excerpt from the October 1930
issue of the Bengal- Nagpur Railway Magazine regarding some social
events at Kharagpur. " The most interesting event of the month was the
wedding of Mr. H Homer, our Production Foreman, and Miss N.
Croxford,daughter of one of our Assistant Works Manaters. Mr. Homer has
ben one of our leading sportsmen, especially in hockey (in which game he
excelled), and was at one time the pillar of that most unfortunate of
all our teams- the Beighton Cup XI. Now that he is unable to take an
active part in games Mr. Homer has become an adept with the Whistle and
there is not a game from Basket-ball to Rugby that he cannot referee
efficiently. Miss Croxford herself is a sports-girl, being Captain of
the Kharagpur Ladies' Hockey team;we hope her marriage will not make her
give up the game, for, apart from being a good player, she makes an
ideal Captain and is very well liked by her team mates. Heartiest
congratulations and the best of good wishes to the happy couple, and may
their "Match" be free from "sticks".
>There are many group photographs educational records during the same
>period. I would appreciate if you could suggest ways and means by
which we could use the readymade anglo-Indian heritage for creating
pride among the Anglo-Indians regarding their contribution to the Indian
Railways. Would they be interested in tourism built around the railway
nostalgia and what would they be interested in, in that case. I would
value your and the Anglo-Indian community's suggestions in this regard.
>you can e-mail me directly to gangulii(a)hotmail.com.
>> >> >
>> >> >Dear Cathy
>> >> > Thanks for your e-mail.I am the Chief
>> >> Signal&Telecom Engineer
>> >> >of East Coast Railway and the heritage officer.I
>> >> a member Of the
>> >> >Inddian Railway service of signal engineers and
>> >> electronics engineer
>> >> >by profession and training.The Railway Ministry
>> >> India appointed this
>> >> >railway for preparing the National Rail Tourism
>> >> as their
>> >> >consultants.As the heritage officer I had to chip
>> >> in.During my
>> >> >researches I found that the AI community had
>> >> contributed immensely to
>> >> >the construction and operation of the IR till
>> >> recently.I do not
>> >> >only want to authenticate and record these facts
>> >> posterity but also
>> >> >want to rediscover the nostalgia that the AI
>> >> community must feel for
>> >> the
>> >> >IR.
>> >> > This gives us a feeling of joy also a
>> >> means by which we can
>> >> >reestablish the links of the community with the
>> >> Indian Railways at
>> >> least
>> >> >as tourists and honoured guests.
>> >> > Obviously Iwant to get as much material
>> >> anybody could give
>> >> >me about the AIs inthe railways including
>> >> >anecdotes,associations,styles of living,fond
>> >> >memories,architecture,history,clubs,and the
>> >> >social,technical,environmental contribution,made
>> >> them.
>> >> > What started out as an official
>> >> has now become a
>> >> >personal obsession.I expect your kind help in
>> >> >Regards,
>> >> >Subhasis.
>> >> >PS:Atoken of our appreciation follows by snail
>> >> > Dear Kerry,
>> > My postal address(residence)is
>> > Subhasis Ganguly IRSSE
>> > CSTE/EASTCOAST RAILWAY
>> > B/70,RAIL VIHAR
>> > CHANDRASEKHARPUR
>> > BHUBANESWAR
>> > ORISSA
>> > INDIA(751016)
>> >please give your mailing address so that we can send
>> a token of our
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Thanks for all your help on my earlier post about finding a birth or
marriage record for this area.
My ancestor was apparantly an officer in the British Military, who married a
very young English girl (13) there and then came back to England. Peshwur,
West Bengal, India appears on a possible birth record for his first child in
1867. Is it possible to say which regiments served in that area at that
time? It seems that in the literature that I have read so far, having a some
regiment information would be of great value, in my search for John Morgan,
of Wales, and unfortuneately I don't know his age.
Thanks again for any and all assistance.
Thanks very much for the info. Some of it was verified by a copy of a
document by a Sir Evan COTTON, sent to me by the archivist at the Royal
He, Cotton, talks of cutcherry cemetery. (Where can I contact the BACSA?)
Robert Home was indeed the nephew of Sir Eyre Coote but I can only find
mention of two sons.
Confusingly I know that Duncan Charles Home VC was born on the 10th June
1828, & that a Duncan Charles Home was born in India in 1881. He was the son
of an Alexander Lefevre Home. Sir Alec was most probably linked to this
Thank you for your time.
This is my first posting to this list .
I never thought in my wildest dreams that I would end up searching in Burma
for the birth of my Great grandfather. JOHN EDWARDS. As all my searching
has been concentrated in Liverpool untill now
However, after finally deciphering the name of the
place where he ( JOHN )was born, i find that it is MOULMEIN
This information was given by him when he signed on The Ship Bristollian
in Liverpool in 1880, incidentally he died on this ship when it ran aground
off Anticosti off the coast of Quebec on Nov 22 1880
My next problem is looming as a huge brick wall as my mum said that JOHN
EDWARDS (her Grandfather) was not really named EDWARDS but was Spanish and
his real name was something like NATIO or NARCIO and that his own parents
had died and he was brought up by an uncle who was cruel to him and he ran
away to sea.( Sounds familiar)
JOHN EDWARDS was married to Agnes Tripp in the church of St Mary Magdalene
in Liverpool UK in 1973 .
On his marriage certificate he gave his father as John Edwards also,
occupation; MERCHANT. I have read that MOULAMEIN was a Teak port and wonder
if John's father traded there .
Is there any way that I could track births in Burma in 1835.
Were there any Spanish in Burma at that time ( silly question as I guess
sailors were everywhere )
I feel that I am really looking for the proverbial 'needle ' as I am sure
that he would not have been listed as John Edwards . But I guess that I
have something to go by with the name NATIO NARCIO My mother always said
that when ever her mother mentioned the name it reminded her of NARCISSUS.
I do not have local access to LDS files and i can't get to Melbourne for a
whole day as this means leaving my mother by herself.
Does any kind person out there have access to any information.
I look forward to being part of this list as I really enjoy the other
Regards From Christine Fiske in Australia
I have been hitting a few brick wall recently adn then a friend on this
list suggested I take another line of thinking and I thought I might
research some one more popular and then may be come accros a connection.
I am now trying to find the relatives of the Viceroy in Portuguese Goa.
I have some skeleton information on them but would any one have more
information particularly with respect to their marriages and families etc
Manuel Saldanha e ALBUQUERQUE, the 47th viceroy
he was viceroy of Goa from 1758-1765,
would there be a book where all this will b documented?
I am also looking for the family of:
Caetano A de Almeida e ALBUQUERQUE
He was governor in the period 1878-1882.
any suggestions.......even wild gussess are welcome at this stage.
Thanks for your message sent in February, and I regret that I am only
now getting to grips with the accumulated mail, following my return on
I hadn't noted ( or perhaps remembered) that the 9th Lancers were in the
campaign in Argentina in 1806/7. They probably played the natives at
polo! I had a neighbour in Hanover many years ago who was from the
Regiment, having transferred to the Army Air Corps - - George
Vere-Laurie. I believe that the name has featured fairly regularly in
the history of the Regiment.
Whilst anything from Graham Volker would be of interest, I have a
feeling that he will turn out not to be connected, but one never knows.
I can't even ask him a sensible question - all I know is that a couple
of young men, Francis and Peter Volkers, enlisted at Rotterdam for the
EICo Artillery in 1804. Not really a strong lead, is it?
Tell me, what does ooroo mean?
This is my first posting and I am researching the name YARHAM .
I have traced quite allot of my ancestors back to Norfolk in England but I
have been told by my doctor who originates from India that the name YARHAM
may also have its origin in India. I do know that one of my relations served
in India after the first world war but he came back to England before 1929,
his name was Walter James Yarham. I was born in England and feel that my
surname comes from Norfolk, but as we all know you must not take anything
for granted. Any help or information would be welcomed, my email address is
In article <prhJdEAdDh$2EwuY(a)tdrake.demon.co.uk>,
Barney Tyrwhitt-Drake <Barney(a)tdrake.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> People born in British India before 15 Aug 1947 like Spike
> Milligan and Sir Cliff Richard have no UK Birth Certificate, and derive
> their nationality status in this way.
Both my parents were born in India and were 'Citizen of the UK and
Colonies'. I was born in New Delhi in July 1947 and was 'Commonwealth
Citizen without domicile'. We left India for England before independence.
My parents were OK, I had to be naturalized.
Glynn Greenwood Stony Stratford, England
Researching Grange, Greenwood, Kennedy, Lewis, Sullivan
My name is Jodie, I'm new to this list. I am currently trying to
research the following:
COOKE Arthur James born c1888 worked great india peninsula railway and
East India Railway, married
GAITELY Olive Rachel Maude born 1893 india died 1937 buried bombay.
NASH Alfred served 8th kings royal irish hussars married
NUNN Edith Mary
DeMELLOW (first name unknown)dock worker for Aden Govt married
MARSHALLSAE Melinda, daughter Gladys born dec1888 somewhere in india
Other places/items of interest:
Barnes High School Deolali
East India Railway
Great India Peninsula Railway
Bombay Baroda and Central India Railway
sorry for the bombardment.
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On 29 Mar 99, at 20:52, Cathy Day wrote:
> Spike Milligan is now an Australian citizen, since we'll take anybody in
> (and we're proud of it!) :-)
They even took me!
The first day of the New Millennium is
Monday 1st January, 2001
Check it out at.....
Written with Pegasus 3.01 the non MS Email Editor.
>>Indian Mutiny Medal Roll (British Forces) 1857-59
>>This book, detailing 50,700 men listed by surname is available through me at
>>£30-00 plus postage. Copies now available at the PRO, British Library &
>>National Army Museum.
>Too expensive for me at NZD100.
>Would happily pay for a look-up!
>Neville Thomas------------ ALSO too expensive for me at Bds.$100
I too would happily pay a little something for
seeing as I need info on just one person, - not fifty thousand.
I recently borrowed a film from the LDS re. BMDs in 1866 for the Bombay
It was fascinating, and sad. The Births should also state the bapt. date
and the chaplains name. The marrriages also contained the witnesses
names and if you are lucky ,as I was , a copy of the cert. itself, but
that seemed very unusual. And you should also read the deaths as so many
children born died with in days or months.
I told the list that I would have the film and looked up entries for
other people. Even that was interesting as several names occured quite
often. It was a litte odd to realize that ones ancestors had known the
ancestors of the people with whom I was now communicating.
Beth in Toronto
Barney Tyrwhitt-Drake wrote:
> People born in British India before 15 Aug 1947 like Spike
> Milligan and Sir Cliff Richard have no UK Birth Certificate, and derive
> their nationality status in this way.
Yes, except that Spike's father was born in Ireland (after 1901, I think
was the significant date), and thus Spike was stripped of his British
citizenship. Spike was not born in Britain and neither was his father,
according to British authorities. Spike unsuccessfully appealed, and
even demanded compensation from the British Government, as he had been
drafted in World War II and only now, decades later, was he being told
that he wasn't British.
Spike Milligan is now an Australian citizen, since we'll take anybody in
(and we're proud of it!) :-)
Cathy Day of Canberra, Australias national capital
email : clday(a)ozemail.com.au
Family History in India Website at