Beginning March 2nd, 2020 the Mailing Lists functionality on RootsWeb will be discontinued. Users will no longer be able to send outgoing emails or accept incoming emails. Additionally, administration tools will no longer be available to list administrators and mailing lists will be put into an archival state.
Administrators may save the emails in their list prior to March 2nd. After that, mailing list archives will remain available and searchable on RootsWeb
In a message dated 2/11/02 9:38:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,
GraveNews2(a)aol.com writes:
> I believe Dick Greene
> wrote for the Star rather than the press. Does anyone know for sure?
>
>
Quoted from the book Dick Greene's Neighborhood Muncie Indiana I previously
posted info from by John Straw;
Excerts:
First Merchants Bank sponsored the making of this book Dick Greene's
Neighborhood Muncie Indiana a tribute to the man who authored over 10,000
"Our Neighborhood" columns in the MUNCIE STAR between 1943 and 1983.
Another part in the front cover says:
1930's through the 1970's. His column, "Seen and Heard In Our Neighborhood,"
became a "must read" for everyone receiving the Muncie Star.
For the next 39 years , he recorded the history of his Muncie by talking to
and photographing the people of the "neighborhood."
In the Intro/Foreword of the book excerts say;
Dick Greene was born in 1903 in Richmond Indiana
His father came to Muncie to work as a compositor for the Muncie Star.
Dick graduated from Muncie High Sch. in 1921
He attended the Eastern Division of Indiana Normal School. (now Ball State)
for 1 yr.
(he stopped going to Normal School due to his father being sick and
financial conditions). it goes onto say however he got a bachelor of arts
degree from Ball State over 50 years later. It goes onto say that Greene
worked as a reporter for the MUNCIE STAR for 2 1/2 yrs., went breifly to
Notre Dame then returned to Muncie as a reporter for the MUNCIE EVENING PRESS
, covering police, city government news for 16 yrs until 1941. During WWII.
he went into personnel management at Durham Manufacturing Co. in Muncie. In
1945 he returned to the Muncie Star and started a column called "Seen and
Heard in Our Neighborhood".
There ya go Lou, It appears he worked for both the Star and the Press!
Donata
Note; on previous email I posted about the Book and the one pic with the
Hanley Auto Co. building in it. You might beable to find out who the owner
was by checking
CITY DIRECTORIES
Also you might check land/deed records in the court house. This buiding might
now be gone but you should I think still beable to tack who the owners of the
land were. This you would have to find out exactly where this was if it was
on Jackson St. then it would be the 2nd building west of the intersection of
Jackson St. and Madison on the Southside of the road. (Front of the business
sit on Jackson) if that is indeed where that firestation was/is on Jackson &
Madison St.
Also I don't know if the court houses would of required any kind of business
lic. for an automotive business back then or not but if so then you might get
lucky with something like that. I would suggest calling the court house and
asking them these questions they would beable to tell you I'm sure.
Just an after thought for you!
Donata
Carolyn,
Back in December 2001 First Merchants Bank in Muncie had an ad in the
Muncie paper that they had a book for sale intitled
"Dick Greene's Neighborhood Muncie, Indiana" By John B. Straw
This book was for sale at the local branches of First Merchants Banks in
Delaware County Indiana. (I purchased mine at the Daleville Branch) it sold
for $20.00. I don't know if they are still for sale there or not. (if you
want I could call the bank and see tomorrow). This book was about the life of
Dick Greene and his life as a newspaper man. Which has alot of cool and local
history stuff in the book. As well as pictures. I did not see anything about
what your looking for BUT, the inside front cover of the books says the
following (maybe this will help you locate what articles your looking for????)
Front inside cover says;
Newspaperman Richard A. (Dick) Greene left behind a legacy of over 10,000
columns and almost 3,000 photographs that documented Muncie, Indiana, from
the 1930's through the 1970's. His column, "Seen and Heard In Our
Neighborhood," became a "must read" for everyone receiving the Muncie Star.
In the first installment of the column, Greene made its purpose clear when he
wrote. "It's to be about people - yes, maybe yourself, or your neighbor, of
perhaps about the fellow who lives down the street, your street or my street,
on the farm or in a neighboring town." For the next 39 years , he recorded
the history of his Muncie by talking to and photographing the people of the
"neighborhood."
This book brings together his photographs with many of his columns to
tell the story of Muncie, "America's hometown," as seen through the eyes of
Dick Greene.
Dick Greene was also a recognized local history authority, and avid
traveler, and a friend to hundreds. He was a remarkable man who was proud to
call Muncie home. We hope you will enjoy and treasure this portrayal of Dick
Greene's Neighborhood.
In one part of the Inroduction/Forward of this book it says that Dick died
in 1984 at age 81. in another part it says that for 39 years Dick recorded
the history of Muncie by talking to people of the "neighborhood". In
addition to interiewing folks and writing about the people and places in the
"neighborhood," greene took along his camera and documented what he saw as
well as what he heard. These photographs did not appear in the newspaper with
his column however. it goes onto say that (Greene's collection of negatives
were donated to Archives and Special Collections at Ball State university
after Greene's death by his friend Wiley (Bill) Spurgeon, publisher of Muncie
Newspapers from 1979 to 1991. The Spurgeon-Greene Photograph Collection
contains images of events, buildings, downtown scenes, businesses and
indurstries, and, of course, people. In addition the collection contains some
copies of older photographs given to Greene or the newspaper by readers.
John Straw is Ball State University archivist.
(NOTE)::::::>
As I was flippping through the book here tonight on page 134 of the book
it has 2 pictures top picture is of Fire Station No. 3 in 1919. Then the
bottom picture is of another fire station (not the same one as above) this
firestation has 3 doors for fire trucks to come (concrete) then it has
windows above the fire doors (I think this is the firestation that sits on
the corner of Madison and Jackson street (I think that is Jackson that runs
east and west) pardon me if I'm not correct on that. But it looks like the
fire station that is still standing there today. Okay why I'm mentioning this
2nd firestation and where it is (I think) is in this 2nd pic 5 fire trucks
pulled out of the bays into the street with firemen all over the fire trucks
to the right of the last bay on the firestation (west if it's the same
firestation I think it is) There is a what appears to be a 1 story brick
building. This building sticks out to the street a little further than the
firestation bays do. And on the wall closest (facing east to the fire
station) has the following printed on the brick wall in white letters from
the roof to the ground.
HANLEY
AUTO
CO.
____TERY
____TMENT
____A?S
(the last 3 lines of words that are in the picture I can't read the whole
words due to the fact the last fire truck is in the way and men are standing
on the ladder of the fire truck obstructing me from seeing the rest.
The caption on this pictures says;
In an Otto Sellers photograph that Greene had in his collection, the men
and equipment of the Muncie Department were shown on December 18, 1917.
According to a Muncie Star article on December 28, 1958, the photograph was
supplied by Edgar L. Horlacher, a retired fireman. At the time of the
picture, Muncie had 3 fire stations. Fire trucks were known as "rigs" to the
firemen. The term came from the days when horse-drawn wagons were used.
Three of the fire trucks in this pic has the following written on them if
this will help you determine if this the same fire station that I think it is
on Jackson and Madison (The bays of the firestation would open up onto
Jackson Street). This is 2 blocks from where McDonald's Rest. now sits today
and one block from Meeks Mortuary (to the South of Meeks is the firestation)
(Across the street from where Mid West Towel use to be). The fire trucks say
Muncie F.D. Engine 2 and Muncie F.D. Engine 3 the ladder tuck says MFD No 1.
This book is a wonderful walk back through history (even for me born 1966).
There is things in this book that I remember growing up in Muncie during the
70's, 80's and now. And to see the old buildings that no longer are here or
that were no longer in place when I was growing up really brings a person
closer to their home town. John Straw has down a wonderful job on this book.
(I hope he has more books in store for us).
I would say in order to find the article you are wanting I would call John
Straw at Bracken Lib. Special Archives at Ball State College. (I have met
John he's a very nice and helpful person). If he don't have the articles at
Bracken I bet they could be found in the microfilmed newspaper articles at
Carneige Lib. downtown Muncie. Only thing at the lib. downtown if you don't
know the exact date it ran in the paper your gonna have to search the micro
film for every day in the year 1948 and that could take some serious time. So
I would try John first maybe he has them there? There is copies on some of
the pages of articles that were published by Dick Greene and I did notice one
that was in 1948 but it did not mention anything about what your looking for.
;-(
Anyway I hope this will help you.
If you had not heard about this book I would suggest if it's still for sale
you should buy it you will love it. There is alot of GOOD (EXCELLENT)
pictures of places in Muncie that are no longer there. My hat is off to John
and all who helped him with this well put together book.
Good Luck
Sincerely,
Donata
In a message dated 2/11/02 7:22:23 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Crkelly105(a)aol.com writes:
> Looking for info of where to find the 2nd in a series of Newspaper articles
> in 1948 in the Muncie paper. The article was written by Dick Greene in the
> Seen and Heard in Our NEighborhood. The article was written about
> "Grasshopper Mill" and was the first of at least 2 columns. Lloyd Cosgrave
> was referred to and his suggestion was this series to go along with info
> about the old Midland Steel Company. The interest to me is that is was
> largely about Muncie and Michael T Hanley and the Hanley family, which is
> the
> line I am following. I do not have the month of the series and the first
> article I have ends with (More on Monday).
>
> Any leads to where I may obtain a copy of the 2nd artcle would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
>
> Carolyn Elliott Kelly
> Terre Haute, IN
>
>
Carolyn,
I find a Patrick Kelly listed in Emerson's 1891-92 Muncie City Directory. It shows he lived at 819 Penn Street.
I do not show him in the 1909-10 directory but do show an Olive Kelly in Gaston. She's shown as the widow of Bernard Kelly.
There are numerous Kelly's in the 1919-20 directory, including an Ed, an Edward L., and a John, I show no Doherty nor Hanley.
If you need more, let me know.
Shirl in OH
----- Original Message -----
From: <Crkelly105(a)aol.com>
To: <INDELAWA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 10:47 AM
Subject: [INDELAWA-L] Re: INDELAWA
Looking for info on Patrick Kelley/Kellyin Delaware county abt 1867.
Patrick born in Co Sligo IRE 1823 was married to Bridget O'Brien (McGuire)
has children Charles, Edward, John, James, Katherine (married Thomas Hanley),
and Michael Joseph (married Mary Ann Doherty).
Michael was believed born in Delaware Co and married Mary Ann there Oct 13,
1891. Mary Ann's father is believed to be Peter Doherty who worked in
Delaware Co at the Steel mill.
In 1913, when Patrick died in Vigo Co. IN his brother John was living in
Muncie, IN per the obit for Patrick. Any info would be helpful, will share
family lines.
Carolyn Elliott Kelly
Terre Haute, IN
crkelly105(a)aol.com
==== INDELAWA Mailing List ====
"I desire no future that will break the ties with the past."
George Eliot (1819-1880)
Muncie Public Library has newspapers on microfilm. I believe Dick Greene
wrote for the Star rather than the press. Does anyone know for sure?
I don't know if MPL has enough staff to search this for you, but maybe they
can refer you to someone.
http://www.munpl.org/Main_Pages/mpl_genealogy_department.htm
Lou
Looking for info on Patrick Kelley/Kellyin Delaware county abt 1867.
Patrick born in Co Sligo IRE 1823 was married to Bridget O'Brien (McGuire)
has children Charles, Edward, John, James, Katherine (married Thomas Hanley),
and Michael Joseph (married Mary Ann Doherty).
Michael was believed born in Delaware Co and married Mary Ann there Oct 13,
1891. Mary Ann's father is believed to be Peter Doherty who worked in
Delaware Co at the Steel mill.
In 1913, when Patrick died in Vigo Co. IN his brother John was living in
Muncie, IN per the obit for Patrick. Any info would be helpful, will share
family lines.
Carolyn Elliott Kelly
Terre Haute, IN
crkelly105(a)aol.com
Looking for info of where to find the 2nd in a series of Newspaper articles
in 1948 in the Muncie paper. The article was written by Dick Greene in the
Seen and Heard in Our NEighborhood. The article was written about
"Grasshopper Mill" and was the first of at least 2 columns. Lloyd Cosgrave
was referred to and his suggestion was this series to go along with info
about the old Midland Steel Company. The interest to me is that is was
largely about Muncie and Michael T Hanley and the Hanley family, which is the
line I am following. I do not have the month of the series and the first
article I have ends with (More on Monday).
Any leads to where I may obtain a copy of the 2nd artcle would be greatly
appreciated.
Carolyn Elliott Kelly
Terre Haute, IN
Thanks for the heads up. I live in Seattle which has a NA and in speaking
with those folks their thinking there is going to be a lot of frustrated
researchers.
Eldon
In a message dated 2/9/02 9:22:59 PM, marchado(a)pacbell.net writes:
<< I'm sending this out to all of the lists I'm on,
so if you receive it more than once, please
forgive me.
I spent today at a NARA workshop on the 1930 Census.
We never got to see the Census, but spent the day
learning what "tools" are available - such as maps,
lists of Enumeration Districts, and city directories -
and how to use them to your best advantage.
Locating your ancestors on the 1930 census
won't be easy. I wish I had started a year
ago to prepare myself.
If your ancestors lived in small towns, you
will have to search "line by line, page
by page." If they lived in a large city,
start looking now for maps and city directories.
Muncie has directories available on
microfilm for 1930. These directories
not only tell where you ancestor lived
at that time period, but they tell which
streets intersect and where. I've taken
addresses from there and typed them into
"Map Quest" which shows me where these
streets are and how they fit in relation to
one another. This helps in locating the
E.D. The directory also tells who lived
on each street. I suggest coping the page.
When the handwriting is bad or the page is
faint or messed up in some way, it helps to
have more than 1 way to identify it. Chances
are, there will be at least 1 name you can identify.
All of this is going to be very important
in using the 1930 Census. Unless you're
searching in a very small town, it's
going to take a lot of time to locate
those missing ancestors. Anything you
can do now to prepare yourself will
make that search much easier. I suggest
practicing on the 1920 or some other
earlier census. The ED's ought to be
roughly the same from 1920 - 1930. If you
can locate a certain street on 1 census,
it will be much easier to find on the next
one.
Good luck and happy ancestor hunting!
Barb Marshall >>
http://www.nara.gov/genealogy/1930cen.html#tutorial
I'm sending this out to all of the lists I'm on,
so if you receive it more than once, please
forgive me.
I spent today at a NARA workshop on the 1930 Census.
We never got to see the Census, but spent the day
learning what "tools" are available - such as maps,
lists of Enumeration Districts, and city directories -
and how to use them to your best advantage.
Locating your ancestors on the 1930 census
won't be easy. I wish I had started a year
ago to prepare myself.
If your ancestors lived in small towns, you
will have to search "line by line, page
by page." If they lived in a large city,
start looking now for maps and city directories.
Muncie has directories available on
microfilm for 1930. These directories
not only tell where you ancestor lived
at that time period, but they tell which
streets intersect and where. I've taken
addresses from there and typed them into
"Map Quest" which shows me where these
streets are and how they fit in relation to
one another. This helps in locating the
E.D. The directory also tells who lived
on each street. I suggest coping the page.
When the handwriting is bad or the page is
faint or messed up in some way, it helps to
have more than 1 way to identify it. Chances
are, there will be at least 1 name you can identify.
All of this is going to be very important
in using the 1930 Census. Unless you're
searching in a very small town, it's
going to take a lot of time to locate
those missing ancestors. Anything you
can do now to prepare yourself will
make that search much easier. I suggest
practicing on the 1920 or some other
earlier census. The ED's ought to be
roughly the same from 1920 - 1930. If you
can locate a certain street on 1 census,
it will be much easier to find on the next
one.
Good luck and happy ancestor hunting!
Barb Marshall
I have two questions to the mailing list.
1# Is anyone out there researching the Eppard family of Edna and Samual
Eppard of Eaton Indiana?
2# How do I go about finding wedding dates after 1920? Most of my Mom and
Dad's siblings got married in the 1930's. BTW, I live in Michigan and can
rarely get to Muncie Indiana. Thanks. ..Jeff
_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
Just wondering if anyone was researching the Lee Family of Hamilton TWP in Delaware County.
I am looking for information on my 3rd great-grandmother, Elizabeth Lee born in the 1840's. She married Benjamin Franklin Smell in Delaware County at her father's home, but I am not sure what her father's name was. It is said she was a second cousin of Robert E. Lee's.
I believe her parents could be Daniel Lee and Eleanor Melson but am unsure.
If anyone can help, please let me know!
Thanks,
Candice Sebring-Kelber
KELLY,
LORD I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN I HAVE WAGED MY OWN WAR ON THE DARN SPAMMERS.
I had 20 emails in less than 3 hours one day. It's so frustrating. And as you
say the more you do to prevent them the more you seem to get.
I have a question for you does this script writing work on email? I only
have websites on MyFamily.com nothing out in the public forum persay...
Another tidbit for all on this;
Since I have also been spammed to death I have been on line tech help with
aol and I had asked how can I find out what server these emails are coming
from in hopes to email the the postmaster of the server and get the emails
stopped.
AOL tech tells me that in the emails you recieve from the spammers at the
bottom of the email is a section entitled HEADERS
search in that for a line that says (for example this is one that I got in an
email)
Message-Id: <200202052255.OAA03341(a)carbon-zapp.com>
Okay the server is carbon-zapp.com
For us AOL members we can go to MAIL CONTROLS and select to add people to the
your list of people who you won't accept emails from. In that box you wanna
type from the Message-Id: line in the email this portion
OAA03341(a)carbon-zapp.com
That is that person's real email address (as it will come to you disquised as
something else). The only thing is when you get the spammed emails is you
have to manually do each and everyone (I know I spent an hour yesterday doing
this). But needless to say the amount of Porno spammers have dewindled
termendously. So it's worth it for me....
Also any emails you get forward the original to TosSpam(a)aol.com (if your
on aol)
They will investigate it. And get it stopped.
Also DON'T EVER click on links in these kinds of emails (or in any email from
someone you don't know). Cause once you do you just confirmed to the hacker
your email address and gave them the tools they need to further make your
life a nightmare if they want.
I urge all to be careful I got zapped with a worm a few weeks ago. it
came in a email looking like it was from a cousin in the subject line it said
www.mypictures.yahoo.com
This was a worm and the people had got a hold of my cousins email address
book and sent this out to all in his book. I opened it thinking he sent me
genealogy pictures. Then relized what it was... So be very careful...
Kelly I'd like to know more of the script thing. Thanks and hope this helps
some of you to.
Donata
Hello,
This may be off topic but i figured before any one goes to the
Delaware County
Roll Call page and notices something weird going on with their email
address, i'd let ya know that i have added a spam protected script to
our e-addresses.Through this script, our email addresses are hid from
spammers that are searching for e-addresses on the web using spider
robots. When a spammer's robot visits our website, it will search for
any mailto: tags and strip the email address from there into the
spammer's email database. Using this program, this will fool the robots
and they will not be able to spider out and index our addresses. I plan
to add this to all the pages that have a email address on it including
my own personal websites.I for one have been spammed to death and over
80% of my email has become just that, and the more i block, the more i
seem to get.
If anyone is interested in this script for their own webpages, let me
know.
Kelly
Thanks Kelly,
I was just in there and must have over looked it somehow? ..Jeff
>From: kelly <kab(a)bellsouth.net>
>Reply-To: INDELAWA-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: INDELAWA-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [INDELAWA-L] Marriage Records
>Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 22:38:42 -0600
>
>Jeff,
>There is a link on the county page for vital record info at.....
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~indelawa/Vital_Records.htm
>
>Kelly
>
>Jeff Bright wrote:
>
> > Can anyone tell me where to send away for marriage records in Delaware
> > County and the price? Thanks, ..Jeff Bright
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:
> > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
> >
> > ==== INDELAWA Mailing List ====
> > "I desire no future that will break the ties with the past."
> > George Eliot (1819-1880)
>
>
>==== INDELAWA Mailing List ====
>If you need help, ask a volunteer
>If you can help, become a volunteer!!!
>Thank you, Kelly
>
_________________________________________________________________
Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Can anyone tell me where to send away for marriage records in Delaware
County and the price? Thanks, ..Jeff Bright
_________________________________________________________________
MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:
http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
That's a possibility. Is there a way to check membership?
----- Original Message -----
From: <FranReynol(a)aol.com>
To: <INDELAWA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 7:37 PM
Subject: [INDELAWA-L] Re: INDELAWA-D Digest V02 #27
AWM is probably American War Mothers. I know the Gold Star Mothers sign the
books with their names and AGSM, or Delaware Co. American Gold Star Mothers.
==== INDELAWA Mailing List ====
If you need help, ask a volunteer
If you can help, become a volunteer!!!
Thank you, Kelly
AWM is probably American War Mothers. I know the Gold Star Mothers sign the
books with their names and AGSM, or Delaware Co. American Gold Star Mothers.
I will.
The Marsh Patterson in Fla isn't him but is 20 yrs younger so it could be a son.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kelly" <kab(a)bellsouth.net>
To: <INDELAWA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [INDELAWA-L] A.W.M.
Shirl,
Have you tried here?
http://www.exonumia.com/art/society.htm
Kelly
shirley baston wrote:
> I wonder if anyone on the list knows what organization the A.W.M. is? I was looking at the book from the funeral home (Visitors)
> from my grandmother's funeral. There was a whole string of women who signed their name followed by A.W.M.
> Shirl
>
> ==== INDELAWA Mailing List ====
> Please visit the Delaware County Indiana Gen Web Home Page
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~indelawa/county.htm
==== INDELAWA Mailing List ====
Step Back In Time To Delaware County
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kellyrunyon/Stepbackintime.html
I wonder if anyone on the list knows what organization the A.W.M. is? I was looking at the book from the funeral home (Visitors)
from my grandmother's funeral. There was a whole string of women who signed their name followed by A.W.M.
Shirl