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That was given to newly weds on their wedding night. Sometimes got way out
of hand. Sometimes just great fun. But it usually was friends, neighbors, and
families. Lots of practical jokes and tying up etc. Not so much fun for
the young couple really.
Does anyone on the list know what an "old-fashioned charvari" was?
The August issue of Clay County Researcher, Page 45 has articles written by
Mrs. Clyde Shidler for the Clay City Newspaper. It says "Neighbors and friends
gathered at the home of Mrs. Dave Hummel for an old-fashioned charvari for
Mr. and Mrs. Carl Neal. Carl received a good ducking."
Brenda Robison
Indianapolis, IN
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I'm not familiar with the name. I would suggest that you contact the CCGS Library and have them do a search for you. Contact research(a)ccgsilib.org for instructions and information about research in Clay County.
Mary
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Surnames: Jones, Crabb and Lett
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Hello,
Pardon my butting in but I believe that we are somehow related. My great great randfather was William Jones who married Susan Crabb. They had 16 kids, one of whom was Harry Lett who was my mother's grandfather.
I have only just started researching my mother's family tree. This is exciting for me because, to the best of my knowledge, I had no living relatives.
How are you related to Susan Crabb? Karen Pritchard
Sugar Ridge Township is were Center Point in located, I was born there.
North of it is Jackson Township where most of my people came from.
Van Buren Township is north of Jackson, mostly north of Road 40.
Wayne Green
Indianapolis, IN
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Sorry, my email address is sgreen1(a)san.rr.com
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I was searching through Ancestry looking at the family history for my wife and then started checking mine and found your entry. This is my mothers family. I have a little additional information however most of my data was destroyed in the California Wildfires last year.
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Are you still out there? If so, what is your Rice connection?
I am looking for information on Jesse Rice, b. abt 1848 (discharged from Union Army and refused pension because only 15 when he enlisted) in Clay Co. IN (per pension file). I have found a Jesse Rice, son of William & Mary Rice on 1850 census, who is about the right age (5), close enough for government work. He had an older sister, Louiza (6). Hope we can make a connection.
wow isn't Poff cemetery up north? instead of sugar ridge twp?
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cemetery,
> Poff family cemetery--it is on line and I will send it to you if you want.
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Nancy A. Zenor is in my family tree--I think a sister of William B. Zenor, my great-grandfather. Any information on the family would be greatly appreciated. I drive through Clay Co. In. weekly and would love to know the locations of family homeplaces.
Back to the Little Flock Primitive Baptist Church question, I searched the
Indiana Code books today, and learned a few interesting things.
The code says that if a church has a cemetery and it has not had any burials
for 20 years, that the church can have those bodies reinterred elsewhere, at
its own expense. I've never belonged to a little church, but I would think
that if membership dwindled due to aging, relocations, or whatever, that the
money would simply not be there to be moving bodies elsewhere.
Nowhere did I find any really helpful information on burials in church
cemeteries where the property went into private hands. I could find laws on
putting township or other cemeteries into corporate ownership, but nothing
that fit this situation. I did see a section of code that was under
cemetery preservation that said that property containing a burial ground or
cemetery must have that information recorded Indiana Code 14-21-3-1
Here is the wording:
IC 14-21-3-1
Recording requirements
Sec. 1. (a) Before a person may record any interest in property on
which a burial ground or cemetery is known to be located, the owner of the
property must record the deed to the property in the recorder's office of
the county where the property is located. The bottom portion of the deed
must state in capital letters in bold type that the deed pertains to
property on which a burial ground or cemetery is known to be located.
(b) The county auditor shall send a copy of the deed to:
(1) the department; and
(2) the local cemetery board, or if no local cemetery board exists,
to the county commissioners;
not later than thirty (30) days after the deed is recorded under subsection
(a).
As added by P.L.46-2000, SEC.11.
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I recently found Mrs. Chustina T. Neiers, 26 yrs old, July 24, 1858 in the Clay County Death index. Does anyone know how I can find out more about this person? Does anyone know of any NEIERS families in the area? Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Hello Kaye
My husbands line is from the son of George Heinrich Jr. to William Lee Crist
(brother to Elizabeh that married Andrew Biggs).
Then from William to George Edmond to John Calvin to William S. to Raymond
Emory Crist. What proof do you have on George H. and children?
Supposedly William Lee And Jane Ann Biggs were buried in Friendly Grove Cem
in Clay Co IN. William died in 1857 And Jane Ann in 1841. Love to hear
from you. Is there any thing I can help you with. Wanda
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He Wanda we are part of that Crist family too through George Heinrich Christ
married to Elizabeth Collings and their daughter Elizabeth Crist married
Andrew Biggs. Would love to exchange information.
Kaye
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Here is one section of the Indiana Code about cemetery land that seems to
apply. However, you might need to read the entire section, not just this
part. Someone who is an attorney could be more certain of what sections of
law to look at. I always find it much easier to find the law in the books
of statutes, rather than on the Indiana Government web site. However, if
you want to search, go to www.in.gov, then click on General Assembly, then
Law and Administrative Rules, then Indiana Code, and search. I had trouble
finding anything about private property cemeteries, other than that a bill
had been passed that owners were not liable for cemetery visitors on their
private property except under certain circumstances. And I didn't see any
statements about what to do if you were denied access. The question is, is
the church cemetery an entity that falls under this section of law?
IC 6-1.1-6.8-15
Access to cemetery land
Sec. 15. The owner of land that is classified under this chapter as
cemetery land must allow family members and descendants of persons buried in
the cemetery to have at least one (1) day each year to gain access to and
visit the cemetery. The date of the visit to the cemetery must be agreed
upon between the owner and the family members and descendants of persons
buried in the cemetery.
As added by P.L.177-2001, SEC.1.
I doubt there will be anymore burials at Little Flock. This seems to be more
than an ownership and access issue. My concern is someone unaware will stumble
onto illegal activity, considering the force used on previous visitors. I
would suggest all of us who have an interest in Little Flock warn our family and
friends about visiting the cemetery until we are sure we have safe access.
(That may take law enforcement involvement.)
Hi All....
Clay County Genealogical Society has a printed list of those buried at both cemeteries. I have a copy of them and will be happy to do any lookups... once I return from Vacation (I will be leaving tomorrow for a week).
Bart Emanuel
Bart Emanuel
Footnote to earlier thoughts:
In the event that any living people have companions buried there, and own
lots, and intend to be buried there themselves, it sounds to me like
there is a real need for the authorities to have an understanding with
the present owners of the property. My understanding is, that a grave lot
is the property of the person who owns it, regardless of the ownership of
the "cemetery." This is something which needs to be forcibly impressed
on the minds of any person who acts as these people have done, which is
reprehensible, to say the least. It is a shame that the land where the
cemetery is, was sold to them, but the problem these people have caused
needs to be addressed locally.
Elder WEbb
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:23:56 EDT Sellersgen(a)aol.com writes:
> To Elder Webb,
> If my memory is correct, there is a law in Illinois (I know Clay
> County is
> in Indiana) that is enforceable by the county sheriff guaranteeing
> access to
> cemeteries. Could you please find out if this is so, and if the
> same law
> exists in Indiana? It would be an exceedingly important item for
> your efforts.
>
> I am a Linville descendant from Clay Co., and a Crist descendant
> (also
> Garst, Sellers, Ohmart, Grisso, Frantz).
> Frank Sellers
> Falls Church, VA
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Dear Mr. Sellers,
I sure would like to know more about that law, as I live in
Illinois, and am working on a cemetery which is landlocked except for a
road that hasn't been used for 40 years and a trail on private property.
The attorneys I've talked to all agree that we have a right to access the
cemetery under what they call an "easement by necessity," but the
question would be, by what route do we have the right of access by
"easement by necessity."
In the case of Little Flock PBC in Clay Co., Ind., I meant to check
today to see what Dr. Syester gave me, but got busy and forgot. If my
memory serves me right, I think he told me that the church and the land
on which the cemetery is, were all sold; if so, the present owners could
be determined by someone going to the courthouse to check who the present
owners now are. That would be a beginning place, to determine what steps
may be necessary to allow people to visit and/or use the cemetery.
Sincerely,
Elder Robert Webb
Primitive Baptist Library
Carthage, IL
http://www.carthage.lib.il.us/community/churches/primbap/pbl.html
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> To Elder Webb,
> If my memory is correct, there is a law in Illinois (I know Clay
> County is
> in Indiana) that is enforceable by the county sheriff guaranteeing
> access to
> cemeteries. Could you please find out if this is so, and if the
> same law
> exists in Indiana? It would be an exceedingly important item for
> your efforts.
>
> I am a Linville descendant from Clay Co., and a Crist descendant
> (also
> Garst, Sellers, Ohmart, Grisso, Frantz).
> Frank Sellers
> Falls Church, VA
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To Elder Webb,
If my memory is correct, there is a law in Illinois (I know Clay County is
in Indiana) that is enforceable by the county sheriff guaranteeing access to
cemeteries. Could you please find out if this is so, and if the same law
exists in Indiana? It would be an exceedingly important item for your efforts.
I am a Linville descendant from Clay Co., and a Crist descendant (also
Garst, Sellers, Ohmart, Grisso, Frantz).
Frank Sellers
Falls Church, VA
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