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Crystal A. Bingham
In a message dated 4/18/00 2:12:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<< Hello list members searching Ohio records for marriage information:
This comes from the April 2000 Mahoning County Chapter of the OGS
newsletter: "Introduced into the Ohio House of Rep. is a bill to amend
the Ohio Revised code that should have genealogists up in arms. 'It
in part, that upon receiving a request for records pertaining to the
marriage licenses, a probate court shall furnish copies of the records
provided under section 149.43 of the Ohio Revised code, except that the
court shall delete or otherwise remove any social security numbers and
maiden names of the mothers of the parties to a marriage so that they
available to the person requesting the records, except for use by the
department of human services, law enforcement personnel, and if ordered
by the court in a civil or criminal trial.' If any individual
feels that this would impact their ability to do genealogical research,
letter voicing your concern would be in order here.
The address is:
77 South High St.,
Or www.house.state.oh.us/voice/index. html. Representative Ron Hood from
Canfield is a co-sponsor of this bill."
Pass this on to any other lists you are subscribed to if you think
others might also be seeking marriage information in Ohio records.
This is appalling!
Researching Keeling, Hughes, Cleavenger, Adams, Sargeant, Yancey, Vass
Clayton County's 1984 history book mentions (in the Guttenburg summary) that the "Western Settlement Society of Cincinnati, OH" in 1844 purchased county land to help Germans who fled their homeland in revolutionary times.
Any records in Clayton County about this society and either who or how they assisted German settlers? I sent queries to several contacts in Cincinatti but have no replies as yet.
The society perhaps helped my g-g-grandfather Frederick Wilhelm "William" KURDELMEIER who at age 16 in 1848 came to Cincinnati from Osnabrueck, Hannover, Germany. In the old country he had been trained as a carpenter, but he became a farmer in Clayton County a few years after arriving in Ohio.
Thank you from,
Martha Oskvig in NW IA
(related to these Clayton County surnames:
ancestors -- KURDELMEIER, KURDELMEYER, WENDT, PIEPER, KAISER;
cousins -- SCHURMEIER, FUNK, SEELAND, PALAS, DOERRING, MATT)
> 1. Why study genealogy? What is it you get out of it? Has it
> changed your perceptions of your family or of the country?
We study out of an interest, a innate need to understand 'who am I'.
Learning about 'dead relatives' helps me understand not only how I
physically got here and how our family got to where we live, but how
their lives (dreams, events, etc.) effects my life today.
Changed perceptions? Oh golly yes. When I started (a new year's
resolution) I knew only 24 people, living in dead, in my family. I now
know over 5000 (living and dead), I know they come from (at least)
Germany (2 branches), England, Sweden, Nova Scotia and maybe Portugese,
Mohawk, Algonquin, and Ireland or Scotland.
I used to think my family was small and insignificant. Now I know better.
Some of my family has been here since the early 1700s, others since the
1880s. They colonized or homesteaded: Pa, Va, Wv, Ia, Mn, Ks, Wi, Oh, NJ,
and other areas. They were citizen soldiers who fought in every war, then
returned home to farm, be in local government, keep their families. They
were real, flesh-n-blood people with faults and problems, and needs who
often had hard lives and worked all their lives. They made important
contributions to the development and growth of our country.
> 2. Where did your ancestors come from?
Proven: Hogsater Parish, Dalsland County, Sweden; Floda, Sodermanland
County, Sweden; Nova Scotia; Whitehaven, Cumbria, England; Baden, Germany
> When did they immigrate to?
NJ, WI, MN, VA, MA, then moved on to Wv, Oh, Ia, Mn, Fl, Ks, Ok, Wa, and
> What professions did they follow before and after migrating?
> 3. Why did they immigrate?
Escaping religious persecution (Palatine area, Germany; maybe Sweden);
economic hardships (Sweden); economic colonizing (Whitehaven, England
ancestor was a ship's captain [mariner] who ran goods back and forth to
the Va Colony and brought his family over).
> 4. What hardships did they experience before immigrating? Religious
persecution, economic hardship;
> What hardships, if any, did they experience after arriving here?
Settling the wilderness from scratch; loneliness, being away from other
family/friends in the homeland; few pastors/ministers for their spiritual
life; geographic isolation;
> Did immigrating change their social status? If so, how did it
> change? Unknown
> 5. How did immigrating change your family and/or family culture?
> Please consider things like language, vocational skills, cooking,
> celebration of holidays, funeral rituals, clothing, etc.
One branch settled in the mountains of VA in what is now Shenandoah
National Park. The hollows were hard to get to, and while they were
somewhat isolated from other communities (few churches, schools, etc.)
they voted, joined the Army in times of war, made alife for themselves.
In the 1930s they were among 240 families forced from their land for the
creation of Shenandoah National Park without compensation. Harsh and
prejudicial tactics were used against them to garnish public opinion on
the side of those desiring a park. Among the tactics, they were claimed
as squatters, though over 200 land deeds proving ownership have been
discovered. A few years ago, one of my cousins, whose mom grew up there,
waged a 2 year campaign to remove a park sign that was deroggatory to
these families (specifically naming ours). Family descendents of those
evicted (houses were burned, possessions thrown out) are still fighting
to obtain access to the 360,000 items 'accumulated' by the park service
from these evictions.
My Swedes, in MN, began their own community with other Scandinavians in
the area. Started a church, donated land for cemeteries, homesteaded the
area. They retained their language, while also learning English, read
Swedish language newspapers; and kept their Christmas traditions to the
> I'll share my outline when it's done.
> Roxanne Barth
> IAGenWeb Project
> Allamakee and Clayton County Coordinator
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Crystal A. Bingham, OT
Vizslas: Denali Gold & Peaches 'n Cream; cats Bojangles and Nuisance
Res Motto: To understand the living you must commune with the dead.
Good questions, good outline, good job, good to hear of you. How is your
grandson - the smart computer guy? My son, Craig is almost 1/2 a doctor. Is
having a good year at Georgetown.
Order your parents marriage Registration, that is what has their parents
names on it and where they were all born.
Write to the Sexton of the Cemetary , they keep cards on file, and many
times, I have het a gold mine of information.
One told of all the brothers and sisters, married names and where they each
GOOD LUCH and HAPPY HUNTING. marydeanW(a)aol.com
I am new to this list and wanted to post my information, in hope that someone
may recognize the family name or offer some help. I am searching for
information about my grandfather's family. My grandfather, is what I refer to
as the elusive man. He left his family home about 1940-1945, without a word.
When the time came for my grandmother to be able to receive his social
security benefits, she found that he had remarried. I have just found that he
was unaware of his marriage still being valid to my grandmother. I assume a
quick divorce was done by him. So, here I am 50+ years later, trying to find
info out about him and his family.
His name was BERT ROSEKRANS. He was born either in 1898 or 1901 on Sept. 6.
One document that I have lists the 1898 date and another lists the 1901 date.
His father's name was ALBERT ROSEKRANS and his mother's name was ADA WINDSOR.
Bert had 5 siblings. There was 3 boys and 3 girls in the family. One of the
girls died at the age of 6 months. The siblings names were Leonard, of
Bovina, TX, John, of location unknown, Laura Marie, who married Raymond
Curtis. Laura was born in Strawberry Point, Clayton County, Iowa and lived in
Edgewood, Iowa. She passed away in 1973 and is buried at Woodlawn Cemetery
in Oelwein, Iowa. Mary Emily lived in Florida. I do not know if Mary Emily
married. I found a 1860 census for Clayton County, but did not see any
Rosekrans or Rosenkrans listed in the census. Bert was born in Iowa, I
assume, as his sister Laura was, Bert did live in upstate New York for some
time and was a truck driver at one time. He ended up in Illinois and died in
Spring Valley, Illinois in 1976. I was able to obtain his death certificate,
but the funeral home did not have any documentation on him, or so they said.
I do not know anything about Albert or Ada, as to if they always lived in
Iowa or of they came from another area of the country, or possibly from
another country. Any help or information would be greatly appreciated. Thank
you in advance.
I volunteered to speak at my grandchildren's elementary school about
genealogy on Thursday. I've had computer problems and haven't been able to
organize my presentation, so, I am asking for your help. Would you answer
some of the questions below, please? Consider your own family when
answering the questions:
1. Why study genealogy? What is it you get out of it? Has it changed
your perceptions of your family or of the country?
2. Where did your ancestors come from?
When did they immigrate to?
What professions did they follow before and after migrating?
3. Why did they immigrate?
4. What hardships did they experience before immigrating?
What hardships, if any, did they experience after arriving here?
Did immigrating change their social status? If so, how did it change?
5. How did immigrating change your family and/or family culture? Please
consider things like language, vocational skills, cooking, celebration of
holidays, funeral rituals, clothing, etc.
I'll share my outline when it's done.
Allamakee and Clayton County Coordinator
You might also check the records for Dubuque(census, etc). My family, at
least, lived back and forth in both of those counties over many years.Try
for death certificates if you can get them---even for siblings as well as
Vynette in Arizona
The state should have a death record for everyone who died after 1880 I was
told. I know that the individual counties also keep records since my great
great grandmother died in Clayton Co in 1902 and they have a record of her
death. But the record is very simple. You should check at the County
Courthouse in Elkader. You may want to contact Dubuque Co as well
considering the burial is there.
Clerk of Court
PO Box 418
Elkader, IA 52043
Dubuque County Courthouse (birth and marriage records)
Clerk of District Court
Dubuque, IA 52001-7059
From: vynette sage <vmsage(a)netzone.com>
To: IACLAYTO-L(a)rootsweb.com <IACLAYTO-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 10:29 PM
Subject: [IACLAYTO-L] Foster, Paisley
>I'm researching FOSTER and PAISLEY families in the Clayton Co/Dubuque Co
>areas. Is anyone else researching these lines?
>My ancestor William Foster died in 1888 in Clayton Co. and was buried in
>Dubuque Co. (according to his obituary). I was unable to obtain a death
>certificate from the state of Iowa. Would Clayton Co. have death
>certificates for that death date? If so, whom do I contact? What would be
>the fee for the certificate if it's available?
>William and his wife Elizabeth were born in co. Fermanagh, Ireland as were
>their children Margaret, John, James, and Jonathan. Son William was born in
>Iowa. There may have been other children. I am descended from William.
>Thank you for any help.
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I'm researching FOSTER and PAISLEY families in the Clayton Co/Dubuque Co
areas. Is anyone else researching these lines?
My ancestor William Foster died in 1888 in Clayton Co. and was buried in
Dubuque Co. (according to his obituary). I was unable to obtain a death
certificate from the state of Iowa. Would Clayton Co. have death
certificates for that death date? If so, whom do I contact? What would be
the fee for the certificate if it's available?
William and his wife Elizabeth were born in co. Fermanagh, Ireland as were
their children Margaret, John, James, and Jonathan. Son William was born in
Iowa. There may have been other children. I am descended from William.
Thank you for any help.