The reasoning behind your explanation (and that of others) falls directly
into the center of the problem. P-O-L-I-T-C-A-L / C-O-R-E-C-T-N-E-S-S!!!!! I
have twelve books and CD's of my families genealogy that lists ALL living
descendants as recent as the year 2000 and they are on-line. I have even
found them in public libraries, the Library of Congress. The National
Genealogical Society, and at the Family History Center of the LDS. YOU can
get my newest grand daughters birth record, born in March of this year, from
the county recorders office,
and anything else you want, IF you know how.
Where is the reasoning behind this BULLPUCKY, in twenty years, we are going
to be ignoble, without a name. I deeply resent that and protest the movement
to obliterate the given name, for whatever reason!!!
You and I are both on-line. Do you realize that your identity is easier
stolen here than in genealogy? My name and address are in the local phone
book, and available in the white pages on-line. Just yesterday, I found my
second cousins wife in New York, whom I hadn't talked to since 1958. I ask
again, where is the logic.
If I am not mistaken, you, Annette, are either from Marrietta, Georgia or
York, Pennsylvania. Correct me if I'm wrong, please
----- Original Message -----
From: "Annette DeHoff" <netandmike(a)nni.com>
To: "john hall" <johnh2all(a)earthlink.net>; <ohwayne-l(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: [OHWAYNE] Death of genealogy
I read your comments with interest and agree with you - to a certain
point. If everyone who posts information on the Internet did so
responsibly, there would be no need for Rootsweb and others to
arbitrarily edit files so that information on the living is not given.
The sad fact is that not everyone is responsible. The National
Genealogical Society has published standards that would help alleviate
some of the current problems. You will notice that displaying or sharing
the information of living persons should only be with the express
permission of that person; ie. unless we have requested permission from
each living individual in our databases we should not display their
Recommended by the National Genealogical Society
Conscious of the fact that sharing information or data with others,
whether through speech, documents or electronic media, is essential to
family history research and that it needs continuing support and
encouragement, responsible family historians consistently—
* respect the restrictions on sharing information that arise from
the rights of another as an author, originator or compiler; as a living
private person; or as a party to a mutual agreement.
* observe meticulously the legal rights of copyright owners,
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permission, or to the limited extent specifically allowed under the
law's "fair use" exceptions.
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unattributed use of another's intellectual work is plagiarism.
* respect the authorship rights of senders of letters, electronic
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the sender's permission.
* inform people who provide information about their families as to
the ways it may be used, observing any conditions they impose and
respecting any reservations they may express regarding the use of
* require some evidence of consent before assuming that living
people are agreeable to further sharing of information about themselves.
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concerned have expressly agreed to.
* recognize that legal rights of privacy may limit the extent to
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john hall wrote:
> Today I spent the day searching for ancestors by surname and given
> name (over 4,000), and typing family branches. In doing so, for each
> family that was alive, I followed the rules of today, then went back
> into my earlier files and changed live family members to "Living
> Hall" or whatever.
> If it weren't for given names, I wouldn't be where I am today. I can
> trace two of my families lines back to the Normans, by using the
> given names, before the invasion of England. There were Knights,
> Castles, veterans of all of our wars, and great histories about these
> families in our family. What would happen if Rootsweb.com
were to erase ALL of the given name in their files. we'd
> all be out to lunch!!!
> Sooner or later, my own gravestone will probably read "Dead Hall"
> Common sense tells me that we, or our descendants will no longer be
> able to trace our ancestry, therefore, genealogy will die within the
> next two generations (or sooner).
> Lets wake up, Identity theft does NOT start in genealogy, it starts
> with the credit card and bank account!!! After all, most of our
> postings are for our ancestors who have passed away.
> I think it's time to get back to the basics and put the given name
> back where it belongs, IN FRONT OF THE SURNAME!!! Please urge all
> websites to push for a repeal of the ban on using living given names.
> John C. Hall, Petaluma, California
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