Hi Richard,
Yes i have discovered that there were different levels of working as a
pilot, you had to work your way up over time with experience. Trinity
House pilot seemed to be at the top
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
On 30 October 2012 19:48, <richard.gwynn(a)openreach.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Paul
With regard to Jeff's note below about it not being clear when David
changed from being a mariner to being a Trinity House Pilot, it seems to be
not unusual for such changes.
My gg grandfather Lewis Reynolds was a pilot on the Neath river, as was
his father (also Lewis Reynolds) who was given as a mariner at the birth of
Lewis junior in December 1840.
Their occupations as given on census returns changed frequently although
mostly with maritime connections:
1841 shows Lewis senior as hobbler, 1851 shows Lewis senior as pilot, and
Lewis junior as forgeboy (aged 10), 1861 (recorded as Reynallt) shows Lewis
senior as pilot and he died in accident on board a pilot vessel in 1867.
For Lewis junior, 1871 shows as hobbler, 1881 shows as (coal) banksman,
1891 shows as master mariner, 1901 shows as rigger in ironworks, 1911 shows
as mariner (he was then 70).
At the baptism of his children Lewis junior is variously described as
Pilot (1868), sailor (1872 & 1877), mariner (1878), seaman (1880) and
labourer (1883), sailor (1886) and labourer (1888). In 1875 on my
grandmother's birth certificate, he was a dock labourer.
Regards
Richard Gwynn
Swansea
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Coleman [mailto:Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 30 October 2012 00:32
To: paul gruffydh williams; glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [GLA] David Williams born 1849 Briton Ferry
In 1881 census He is 32 and she is 31, eldest son is 6, so presumably they
married around 1873/74. All children born in Briton Ferry. In 1891 (he is
shown as Dd Williams) they were 42 and 41.
FreeBMD searching on marriage of David Williams with an Emily on the same
page around those dates shows up two possibles
March 1872 in Truro district (which included St Agnes) - Emily Firstbrook
June 1874 in Swansea district - Emily Williams
There was indeed an Emily Firstbrook aged 11 in 1861 census, born St Agnes.
In Familysearch she appears to have been baptised twice in 1850 and 1856,
same parents, both in St Agnes parish church, so she may well have married
there. It was on the north coast of Cornwall, so quite a likely place for a
mariner from the Neath/Swansea area to have had cause to visit and become
acquainted with the locals. In 1861 she lived next door to a pub.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/StAgnes/index.html says this
was a tin and copper mining area. All the more reason for ships from
Swansea area to call in and load up.
There is an OPC for the parish at
http://www.cornwall-opc.org/ but no
coverage of marriages after 1812.
FreeReg has quite good coverage of Cornwall and marriages of some of her
siblings seem to be there in St Agnes, but not Emily.
Try asking on a Cornwall mailing list.
Plenty of Emily Williams about the right age born Cornwall, none born in
St Agnes. So first hunch for your Emily would be the first one found.
Obviously this is just a suggestion. You would need to get a birth
certificate for one of their children to be sure. The children seem to have
common names so you may need to be careful. Also it is not clear at what
date David changed from being a mariner to being a Trinity House Pilot.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "paul gruffydh williams" <paulgruffydhwilliams(a)gmail.com>
To: <glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 10:03 PM
Subject: [GLA] David Williams born 1849 Briton Ferry
> Hi List,
>
> Seeking information on David Williams born 1849 Briton Ferry.
> Parents Griffith Williams and Celia Thomas
> Wife Emily born St Agnes Cornwall
> I would like to discover Emily's maiden name and any additional family
> information for her.
> Missing death details on David and Emily.
> David is listed as widow in 1911 census.
> He was a Trinity House Pilot
>
> Any help would be most welcome
> Thanks in advance
> kind regards
> Paul Williams
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