Hi again Jeff
Oh dear, I’m afraid we, genuki, had accepted the RCHMW data as gospel having no reason to
doubt it !
I’ll make the necessary adjustments /notes for Bethel on our pages later.
Thanks for being so diligent in your investigations
Gareth Hicks
ipad
On 16 Jun 2018, at 23:32, Jeff Coleman <Jeff.Coleman(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:
It is clear from a map that the Bethel chapel built 1784 was not in Abercynon at all, so
RCHMW are in error. It was near Ynysybwl, as shown on
https://clan-davies.kiwitrees.net/module.php?mod=pages_davies&mod_act...
The chapel history is at
https://clan-davies.kiwitrees.net/module.php?mod=pages_misc&mod_actio...
The location is close to Fanhalog farm, CF37 3NS and if you put that postcode into
www.old-maps.co.uk it shows up not far north-east from the farm as Capel Fan-heulog
(Calvinistic Methodist) in 1877. The old and new buildings are shown in 1900, the new one
as Capel Bethel. The chapel is still shown on 1976 map but Google streetview seems to show
houses (one possibly a converted chapel) on the site in Rock Terrace, Ynysybwl.
It is of course possible that the reason that no baptism record for Jennet Jenkin in the
parish church survives may not have been that the family were nonconformists - they may
simply not have arranged for the baptism of their daughter. The only Jennet baptised
around that time in Llanwonno was Jennet daughter of Edward MILES. In 1789.
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Gareth <tirbach(a)clara.co.uk>
Sent: 16 June 2018 23:01
To: Family and local history in Glamorgan, Wales <glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com>
Cc: Jeff Coleman <Jeff.Coleman(a)ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [GLA] Re: JENKIN(S) FAMILY
Hi Jeff
The Bethel chapel history is still on Ron’s site, under The Ancestors/Family Religion, I
will amend the link on the Genuki page tomorrow
Gareth Hicks
ipad
On 16 Jun 2018, at 22:27, Jeff Coleman via GLAMORGAN <glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com>
wrote:
There was a Jenkin JENKIN baptised in Llanwonno in 1789
From Familysearch
Name: Jenkin Jenkin
Event Type: Baptism
Event Date: 1789
Event Place: Llanwonno, Glamorgan, Wales
Father's Name: Evan
Mother's Name: Jane
Other sources give the baptism date as 21 Nov 1789
There is no baptism of a Jennet or Jane Jenkin in Llanwonno around that time. Bear in mind
that Llanwonno Church was up on the mountain and quite a lot of the population of the
parish (which would have been quite sparse at the time) could have been in the valleys of
the Rhondda fach and part of the Cynon valley quite a distance from the parish Church.
See
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Llanwonno about the parish and its extent.
The Chapels database only seems to show one nonconformist chapel in the parish before
1800, Bethel in Fanhaulog, which seems to have been in Abercynon. It was also referred to
in chapel records as Vanhaulog
(Fanhaulog) Chapel. In later years it seems to have been Calvinistic Methodist, but the CM
denomination did not start its own chapelsgenerally until 1811, so that is a puzzle.
http://coflein.gov.uk/en/site/9766/details/bethel-abercynon shows where it is/was, or
where RCHMW thought it was, though curiously the 1877 map of the area in
www.old-maps.co.uk does not show a chapel at that site ( though there are several nearby
in 1900).
GENUKI says there is a translation of a Welsh history of the chapel on Ron Davies's
web site, but it no longer seems to be there. Ron Davies used to be active on this list,
but I haven't heard from him recently. The history seems to have been written by a
minster resident in Ynysybwl, also in Llanwonno parish.
Looking for a marriage of Evan Jenkin and Jane on Familysearch turns up one in 1783 in
Llantrisant, not too far away, the bride's name being Jane Morgan.
However without stronger evidence, it might be very speculative to think this is your
family. I suggest you try to find more about Jenkin Jenkin b 1789, for example looking for
a marriage for him and possibly 1841 census if he was still around then.
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Colete Morlock <coletem(a)gmail.com>
Sent: 16 June 2018 21:25
To: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [GLA] JENKIN(S) FAMILY
Hello Everyone!
I have been trying to trace a family by the name of JENKIN(S) Jennet Jenkins was born in
1793, Llanwonno, Glamorgan Wales. Her marriage record to David Arnold from 1818 Aberdare
lists two witnesses as a Jenkin Jenkin and Morgan Jones.
I am trying to determine if Jenkin Jenkin was her father or possibly a brother. I
don't see any census where Jennet would have been listed as a young girl.
Are there any parish records that might help with finding her parents?
Colete
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