Thanks Jeff That saved me a lot of Googleing especially the Welsh words The
Chapels always confuse me ;
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From: "Jeff Coleman" <Jeff.Coleman(a)ntlworld.com>
To: "Carol O'Neill" <roneil(a)blueyonder.co.uk>;
<glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [GLA] Religeon
Probably no change, but maybe a different chapel. The term
Independent was
usually used as a translation for the Welsh word Annibynwyr.
Congregational was normally used for English-speaking chapels. In each
case these would be mainstream Christian groups with Trinitarian theology
and emphasis on biblical authority, referred to as nonconformist because
they did not conform to the authority of the Church of England, which had
become the official state Church from the time of Henry VIII's split with
the Church of Rome around the 1530s.
The distinctive feature of both the Annibynwyr and the Congregationalists
is that each congregation had the autonomy to choose or 'call' their own
minister, rather than having a central authority such as a bishop ( in
Church of England or Roman Catholic) or a Connexional conference ( as in
Wesleyan, Primitive Methodist and Bible Christian) send a minister to them
(though to be fair in many cases the local congregation or their leaders
had a say in appointments). Note that in the Church of England in the 18th
and early 19th century local landowners or other bodies such as Oxford or
Cambridge colleges had the right to nominate clergy to particular
parishes. This is why you will see in the extracts from Topographical
Dictionaries of 1833 and 1811 in parish pages on GENUKI who the 'patron'
of the parish was.
The right to nominate a new clergyman to a parish in the Church of
England, known as 'advowson' was actually something that was bought and
sold, and advertisements for the sale of advowsons appeared in the
'Cambrian' for example. Wikipedia has a clear article on advowsons.
The influence of landowners, sometimes living a great distance from their
lands, on the appointment of clergy, and the
collection of tithes to support a church which they did not attend, were
among the reasons for the growth of nonconformist denominations in the
19th century. In Wales there was the added feature that in many areas the
clergy appointed by the Church of England had little knowledge of, indeed
sometimes little respect for, the Welsh language, whereas Welsh was the
language of worship for the Annibynwyr and a number of other
denominations.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol O'Neill" <roneil(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 10:58 PM
Subject: [GLA] Religeon
> Just found William washing Jones On the 1901 census Listed as a Minister
> Gospel Independant ?? and on the 1911 Censu as Congregational Minister
> are these the same denomination or was he changing religeons ??
> Oh He named his children Gwilym TALWENYDD Jones and Pheobe WHALLY Jones
> whare did he get these middle names from ??? Carol
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