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To: Family and local history in Glamorgan, Wales <glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com>
Subject: [GLA] Re: Swansea 1841 census - description of the Enumeration District
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On Dec 18, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Jeff Coleman via GLAMORGAN
<glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
Hello
From the Glamorgan Family History Society transcription on CD:
55. CROSS INN, SWANSEA LOWER
S *
S "All that part of the lower division of the Parish of Swansea
from within the Veranda
S boundary brook to the Cockett & from the Cockett keeping the
boundary river to the
S Pabell & from Cross Inn to the Pabell keeping the right of
Gower Road."
If you have Google maps then try looking for Carnglas Road, Swansea
and reduce the scale a bit. Just N of Gower College Swansea Sports
Centre you will see a stream which disappears into a culvert. This is
the Veranda Boundary Brook. The culvert runs south and crosses the
A4216 near Mainwarings Angling Centre, then crosses Gower Road, A4118
to re-appear as a stream in Singleton Park east of the Botanic
Gardens. The office buildings attached to the Botanic Gardens used to
be a big house called Veranda or Verandah. So you are west of the line
of that Brook and north of Gower Road, the A4118. Cross Inn is the
crossroads known as Sketty Cross. The word Sketty runs across the
junction on Google Maps at the enlargement I have. In
1841 Sketty was known as Cross Inn Village.
The Cockett is probably the Cockett Inn. Llwyn Mawr , the first place
enumerated in the district, was a farm located where the new Sketty
Primary School on Llwyn Mawr Close is shown on Google Maps. The
'River' is also culverted now, virtually from its source down near
what is now Hendremawr Close, Glanyrafon Road, Glanyrafon Gardens,
Nowadays it only reappears at the south end of Birch Tree Close for a
short distance before going into a culvert again under Derwen Fawr
Road, to re-appear just south of the southern junction with The Bryn
and run through woodland near Ashleigh Road Playing fields before
crossing under Ashleigh Road and running into the Clyne River west of Blackpill Car
Park.
I conclude that the Pabell (the tent or tabernacle in Welsh) must have
been somewhere near the junction of modern Glanyrafon Gardens and
Gower Road. I suspect it was a name for Bethel Welsh Independent Chapel, Carnglas Road.
I suggest that you look for Sketty on
www.old-maps.co.uk and see the
brook marked as 'Parliamentary and Municipal Boundary' on the 1878
1:2500 map. If you have that and Google Maps open in two windows you
can see the changes that have occurred.
https://www.library.wales/collections/learn-more/maps/tithe-maps-of-wa
les/ the Tithe Maps of Wales is the other web site to have open in
another window or tab of your browser. You can see by searching for
Sketty what the Tithe map looked like, and the field numbers used in
the Tithe Apportionment for Swansea. Unfortunately at the moment for
some reason the search only works properly for the neighbouring
parishes of Oystermouth and St John, Swansea, but not for the town and
franchise of Swansea or Swansea Higher and Lower, which is where this
enumeration district is located. If you have access to West Glamorgan
Archives or Swansea Library Local History section you can view the
tithe maps and the tithe apportionment books and match up the field
numbers with the landowners and occupiers.
It is quite frustrating that the Tithe Maps of Wales website, which
works well for many areas, does not actually work for this one.
Sorry to be rather long-winded. I think there has been previous
correspondence on the list about several families in this area.
If you have not researched the area before, you might chance on
something useful in the index to the 'Cambrian' Swansea newspaper
https://www.swansea.gov.uk/cambrian
Because John Harris was a publican, he was probably in the Cross Inn
on the northwest corner of Sketty Cross. This is now 'The Vivian'.
This appears to be field number 1118 in the Swansea Tithe Map. At one
time there were several pubs on the crossroads. It was the main route
for farmers from Gower coming in to market in Swansea, which would have provided a
'passing trade'
when they would have walked or travelled in horse-drawn vehicles. The
shape of the pub seems to change between the 1917-19 map on Old-Maps
and the 1947 map, so it may have been partially or completely rebuilt.
Jeff
(in Sketty, Swansea)
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From: davies.gh11--- via GLAMORGAN <glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: 18 December 2019 19:06
To: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
Cc: davies.gh11(a)btinternet.com
Subject: [GLA] Swansea 1841 census - description of the Enumeration
District
Hello all,
In tracing my ancestors in the 1841 Swansea census I am trying to find
whereJohn and Ann HARRIS lived, so I am wondering if someone could
interpret wherethe boundaries of the Enumeration District are, and
possibly link them tomodern day places.
The PRO code is HO 107/1424/33, part of the Swansea Lower Division,
District24. I think the description reads:
"All that part of the lower division of the Parish of Swanseafrom
within the Veranda boundary brook to the Cockett & from the
Cockettkeeping the boundary river to the Pabell & from Cross Inn to
the Pabellkeeping the right of Gower Road."
From the 2nd page in the Place column has the same name on it, but I
cannotwork it out so if anyone has any ideas I would appreciate it.
Thanks in anticipation,
Greg Davies
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