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Tithe Maps
Dear Listers,
I am retweeting Martin's email to this list again. It had no list
responses, and as the URL was brilliant it deserves a 'retweet' on this
List. It also showed how lucky we are to be able to access the National
Library of Wales.
My best wishes, Jill
Martin wrote:-
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Digitising Tithe Maps
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Martin Briscoe
Fort William
martin(a)mbriscoe.me.uk
Hi Andrew
It could be that they had bought the plot prior to Morriston Cemetery being opened and therefore buried in Danygraig.
Could be that they were originally from the St. Thomas area and wished to be buried there.
Could be that they are of the Catholic faith as I believe the majority of that faith are buried in Danygraig.
I have heard of Dolycoed but just can't place it.
Happy hunting!
Jane Hope (in a rather muggy Swansea)
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 12:46:49 +0100
> From: morgangareth36(a)yahoo.co.uk
> To: glamorgan-l(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [GLA] Location in Clase, Swansea
>
> Hello Andrew
>
> There is a place called Y Dolau in not too far away. Morriston Cemetery was opened for burials 1915 which is even closer.
>
> Regards
>
> Gareth
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 16/6/14, Andrew Pritchard <andrew(a)transmat.co.uk> wrote:
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> This might be a long shot but I have a burial record from 1916 for my g-g-grandfather's brother and it shows his address as Cwmbach Bldgs, Clase.
>
> 19 years later, his wife died and her address is listed as Dolycoed, Cwmbach. Both are buried in Danygraig Cemetery.
>
> Neither address rings a bell with me and I wondered if anybody knew where these places were/are?
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Good Morning
This might be a long shot but I have a burial record from 1916 for my
g-g-grandfather's brother and it shows his address as Cwmbach Bldgs, Clase.
19 years later, his wife died and her address is listed as Dolycoed,
Cwmbach. Both are buried in Danygraig Cemetery.
Neither address rings a bell with me and I wondered if anybody knew where
these places were/are?
Many thanks
Andrew
My ancestors attended the Hope Chapel in Merthyr Tydfil from the 1870’s to 1950’s. Deaths of my great grandparents occurred in 1909 and 1911. What is the most likely place of their burial and where could I find any burial records?
Steve Jones
Australia
Hello list,
I am looking for the burial place for John Gould (died 1857 age 67) and his
wife Elisabeth Gould died 1848, age 47.
Couple lived at Lewis Street and Sea Lock.
As there seem to be more St Mary's Churches, can somebody point me out where
I could look for them.
I must be an old cemetery.
Kind regards,
Elwyn - netherlands.
Image sent off list, transcribed as DEVEY
Katie
NE Wales
On 10 June 2014 16:49, irene moores <irenemoores(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
> hello could sks please find me Edwin James Davey in 1891, with parents
> Abram and Maria Jane Davey.
> cheerio
> Irene
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Well done Howard for finding that!
The watercourse at the back of the row of houses in Rhyd-y-polon on the
Google map is part of the old mill race supplying water to the Loughor Mill,
which was further south. On www.old-maps.co.uk by putting in the postcode
for Rhyd-y-polon, SA4 4AT you can see a row of cottages, labelled as
Mason's Row, on the west side of West Street, and two individual houses, one
labelled as Gors, on the east side of the watercourse, and one in an
enclosure numbered 360 on the map - possibly the same number used on the
Tithe Commutation Map. By comparing the shape of the watercourse on the
Google map and old-maps it appears that the small cul-de-sac of houses
called Rhyd-y-polon has been built more-or-less on that plot of land
numbered 360 on the 1878 1:2500 map. Indeed the plot is the same shape, if
you look on the satellite image.I can't find a specific Welsh word for a
mill-race or mill-leat, and I am not sure whether such a watercourse would
have needed a ford.
The mill, and presumably the mill-race which took water from the river
higher up and gave a good flow to drive the wheel of the mill before going
back into the river, goes back to at least 1650, judging the article at
http://welshjournals.llgc.org.uk/browse/viewpage/llgc-id:1272866/llgc-id:...
Gower - Vol. 50, 1999 The watermills of the Lordship of Gower . Loughor
Mill is number 37
Pontybrenin is direct Welsh translation of Kingsbridge. Which king ordered
the bridge to be built I know not.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Phillips" <h.phillips4(a)ntlworld.com>
To: "Cynthia&Bernard" <cynbern(a)xtra.co.nz>; <glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [GLA] PLACE NAMES
> Cynthia
>
> Had a look at Google Earth and found the following which might be of
> help -
>
> If you do a search for Kindsbridge Swansea and go along the road B4296
> towards Gorseinon there is a cul-de sac on the right called Rhyd-y-Polon.
> Also near by are two schools - Pontybrenin Primary School and the other
> called Ysgol Gynradd Gmyraeg Pontbrenin. They are between 300 and 500 yds
> from Rhyd-y-Polon.
>
> I know the spelling is different from Pantyrengin but it seams too much of
> a
> coincidence to me.
>
> Regards
> Howard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cynthia&Bernard
> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2014 9:35 PM
> To: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [GLA] PLACE NAMES
>
> I am new to this list and am doing some research into a name place
> mentioned
> in a Will dating back to the 1860's
> and cannot find it on any old maps. The names are:
>
> Pantyrengin in the Borough of Loughor
> and she has land near Rhydypolon
>
> I would be so obliged if anyone can help at all.
>
> Best Regards
> Cynthia (New Zealand
Hello HJ Cynthia
I should have included the report of the article about Carmarthen Blacksmiths Union
Revision of prices
an address was given by Mr. Evan Evans, A.F.C.L., Rhydypolon, Gorseinon
Carmarthen Journal and South Wales Weekly Advertiser. 18 August 1916 Page 3 of 8
Gareth
I've replied to Cynthia off-list, that I think she's referring to
Pontybrenin (Kingsbridge).
There was a garage called Rhyd-y-Polon on West Street, Gorseinon & there
is now a cul-de-sac
called Rhydypolon roughly where the garage once stood.
HJ
Cynthia
Had a look at Google Earth and found the following which might be of help -
If you do a search for Kindsbridge Swansea and go along the road B4296
towards Gorseinon there is a cul-de sac on the right called Rhyd-y-Polon.
Also near by are two schools - Pontybrenin Primary School and the other
called Ysgol Gynradd Gmyraeg Pontbrenin. They are between 300 and 500 yds
from Rhyd-y-Polon.
I know the spelling is different from Pantyrengin but it seams too much of a
coincidence to me.
Regards
Howard
-----Original Message-----
From: Cynthia&Bernard
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2014 9:35 PM
To: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [GLA] PLACE NAMES
I am new to this list and am doing some research into a name place mentioned
in a Will dating back to the 1860's
and cannot find it on any old maps. The names are:
Pantyrengin in the Borough of Loughor
and she has land near Rhydypolon
I would be so obliged if anyone can help at all.
Best Regards
Cynthia (New Zealand
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Hello
I will probably confuse the issue with the following.
Cantref Eginawc is a cantref or hundred.
The Lordship of Gower prior to the Norman invasion, was the commote of Gŵyr, a part of Cantref Eginawc. A Cantref; plural cantrefi was a medieval Welsh land division, particularly important in the administration of Welsh law. The name "cantref" is derived from "Cant" "a hundred" and "tref" a "town".
In the Red Book of Hergest Ystrat Tywi consisted of among others the Cantref of Eginawc which had the following Commot's
Commot Kedweli
Commot Carnywyllawn
Commot Gwhyr
Ystrad Tywi was divided into three cantrefs in medievil times: Cantref Mawr on the north bank; Cantref Bychan and Cantref Eginawc on the south bank of the river. These were lost to the Normans in the 11th century.
In the paper the Gwladgarwr on the 15 August 1879, page 3, a John Rees denies the he wrote some letters to the paper with a similar pseudonym to his. The article was entitled "AP LLYCHWR A'! LITHIAU"
Regards
Gareth
I am new to this list and am doing some research into a name place mentioned
in a Will dating back to the 1860's
and cannot find it on any old maps. The names are:
Pantyrengin in the Borough of Loughor
and she has land near Rhydypolon
I would be so obliged if anyone can help at all.
Best Regards
Cynthia (New Zealand
I am copying this to the Glamorgan list as I think there are some experts on
Gorseinon and Loughor around.
It would be helpful if you could share with us the name of the person who
made the will, and maybe names of people mentioned in it, so there is
chance of finding them in censuses.
I suspect that both names are farms or smallholdings. the Borough of Loughor
was not a big place, though the parish of Loughor surrounding it was quite
extensive.
So far the only mention I have found is a reference to a legal dispute about
another will, reported in the Swansea local newspaper in 1857.
www.swansea.gov.uk/cambrian takes you to search an index to articles
appearing in the 'Cambrian'.
25 December 1857 COUNTY BUSINESS:LEWIS REES & JAMES DAVIES RE OWNERSHIP OF
HOUSE,RHYDYPOLON,LOUGHOR.P5.
25 December 1857 SWANSEA POLICE:LEWIS REES,LOUGHOR,CHARGED RE NON-PAYMENT OF
RENT FOR HOUSE,RHYDYPOLON.P5.
In 1861 census Lewis Rees,a collier age 58, his wife Mary age 63 and a
nephew John Rees age 4 were living in Loughor boro' between Loughor Mill
and Furze Hill, which suggests that if he was still in the house in
question, it was located near Kingsbridge maybe towards 'Waun' in the Upper
Loughor part of the borough, on what is now Swansea Road Gorseinon.
To find Kingsbridge on old-maps.co.uk search for Tafarn y Trap, SA4 4AS
'Rhyd' is a Welsh word for a ford, so the location should be near a stream
or river, though the river Loughor has had a bridge over to Carmarthenshire
for many centuries.
'Pant' is a Welsh word for a hollow or valley, and various place names
including 'Engine' seem to refer to the location of winding engines for
lowering coal trucks down an incline, so it might have been near a colliery,
of which there were quite a number, possibly the old Waun colliery, near the
later Cae Duke colliery.
Loughor used to be in the Llanelly registration district, rather than
Swansea, so if you are trying to match up birth, marriage or death
registrations from there, look in Llanelly.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Loughor/ is about Loughor, and has a
link to a map showing the boundaries of the borough and the parish, and
under the heading 'maps' to a variety of maps covering areas within it.
It may be necessary to look at the Tithe map to see older names for places
in that area. If someone has a copy of Gabriel Powell's survey of the
Lordship of Gower and Kilvey in 1764, published in 2000 by the Gower
Society, it is possible the locations may be mentioned.
http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=29468 at West Glamorgan
Archives contains documents relating to lands in the area around Kingsbridge
and the lower Lliw valley.
Jeff
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From: "Cynbrodie" <cynbern(a)xtra.co.nz>
To: <WLS-SWANSEA(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:04 PM
Subject: [WLS-SWANSEA] NAME OF PLACE IN SWANSEA
>I am new to this list and am doing some research into a name place
>mentioned in a Will dating back to the 1860's
> and cannot find it on any old maps. The names are:
>
> Pantyrengin in the Borough of Loughor
> and she has land near Rhydypolon
>
> I would be so obliged if anyone can help at all.
>
> Best Regards
> Cynthia (New Zealand)
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GENUKI <G> is your friend and maps.google.com might be too. But GENUKI
has a lot of parishes names and you may find the name broken up
differently than the will.
I am sure someone will be able to help you more I thought I would
start you with these two.
Eliz
Not Today and Not without a Fight
(Anon)
For all that has been, thanks.
For all that will be, yes.
(Dag Hammarskjold)
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Cynthia&Bernard <cynbern(a)xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> I am new to this list and am doing some research into a name place mentioned
> in a Will dating back to the 1860's
> and cannot find it on any old maps. The names are:
>
> Pantyrengin in the Borough of Loughor
> and she has land near Rhydypolon
>
> I would be so obliged if anyone can help at all.
>
> Best Regards
> Cynthia (New Zealand
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I have a problem identifying the correct death record for my ancestor.
John Price was born in Llangurig in 1863, moved to Merthyr Tydfil where he married Alice Guard in 1884(1), MT 11a 635.
He was a miner and the family lived in Aberfan, their address in 1911 was 4/5 Perthygleision Bridge, Aberfan
I have found 4 death records that fit his age profile.
JP age 47 d 1911(4) MT 11a 706
JP age 55 d 1919(2) MT 11a 748
JP age 56 d 1920(3) MT 11a 647
JP age 61 d 1924(3) MT 11a 639
I would appreciate any suggestions to positively identify the correct one or assistance in eliminating any not relevant. Perhaps someone has access to parish or non-conformist records, possibly Baptist, and can clarify the position.
I realise that I may have to purchase 4 death certificates in an attempt to conclude the matter, but would prefer to explore other avenues first.
David Hutt
Greetings from Canton Here in Cardiff.
I have just had a message from The Library in Mill Lane Cardiff, telling me That the Library is Shut due to loose Tiles on the roof.
They are hoping for it to re-open on Monday.
Cheers,Graham.
Graham Williams,
Glam;FHS# 551.
of Canton,Cardiff.
Hello list,
Can somebody find my relatives in the above censusrecords at 13 John Street,
Treharris, Merthyr Tydfil?
Thomas Davies b 1846 Llangeler
Hannah Davies b New Quay, wife
Thomas Morgan Davies, son
Annie Dymes Davies, dau
Annie married William Thomas in 1906 and possibly also lived in the same
house.
Elwyn.