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In the 'Cambrian' newspaper published in Swansea from 1804 the abbreviation
Eben. was often used for Ebenezer. Ebenezer Davies was the Medical Officer
of Health for Swansea and was often listed as being present at meetings,
sometimes in abbreviated form. Eben. therefore joins Wm., Jno.,Thos., Jas.,
Ll., Jos. and Dd. as recognised abbreviations for forenames.
Jeff
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From: "P PARRY" <richard.parry100(a)btinternet.com>
To: <glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com>; <dyfed(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:14 PM
Subject: [GLA] The name of EBENEZER
Dear Fellow Family Historians
I am having great difficulty finding one of my ancestors called Ebenezer
Rees (a carpenter) according to his daughter (Mary Rees) marriage
certificate when she married Morgan Parry on 30th Dec 1840 in the chapel of
Strata Florida in Caron.
I am wondering if the name of EBENEZER is known as anything else. I have
found the residence of Mary at the time of marriage to be Rhosgellugron in
Caron, but I have a hunch that Ebenezer (or whatever his name is!) may have
travelled up from either Glamorgan or maybe Carmarthenshire.
Can anyone shine any light on the name of EBENEZER ?? Has anyone else had
problems with the name EBENEZER
Please also forward this message onto any other message groups that you feel
may be able to help
Many thanks in advance
Richard Parry
email - Richard.parry100(a)btinternet.com
It definitely begins 'Llandd..' so I don't know what else it could be!
BTW how do you look up censuses by reference number on the new FindMyPast
site?
Robert
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From: glamorgan-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Yvonne Hills
1851 Wales Census -
HO107 - Piece 2472 - Folio 312 - Page: 28
Mary Parry abt 1820 - Daughter-in-law - widow.....Ancestry has place of
birth Llanddeinol, Cardiganshire. but the census form is hard to read in
parts.
Hi,
1851 Wales Census -
HO107 - Piece 2472 - Folio 312 - Page: 28
Mary Parry abt 1820 - Daughter-in-law - widow.....Ancestry has place of birth Llanddeinol, Cardiganshire. but the census form is hard to read in parts.
Hope this helps
Yvonne :)
Hi Richard
There is a burial in Strata Florida, in 1839 which possibly fits the dates in Lynne's records..
Ebenezer Rees
Of Rhosgellygron
Buried May 12 1839
Aged 45
Officiating Minister - J W Morris
(No gravestone recorded)
Ebenezer sometimes shortened to Eben, and might be spelled with an "s"
Jen
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From: Lynne Ingalls <lynne.ingalls(a)comcast.net>
To: P PARRY <richard.parry100(a)btinternet.com>; glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com; dyfed(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, 20 April 2014, 19:00
Subject: Re: [Dyfed] [GLA] The name of EBENEZER
Richard -
On Findmypast, there are several baptismal records:
24 Sep 1797 christening at Cilycwm, Carmarthenshire of an Ebennezer base son
of John Jones of Damwm ??? by Elizabeth Rees.
22 Jan 1797, Ebenezer son of Wm. Rees by Eliabeth his wife at
Llanfairarybryn, Carmarthen.
10 Apr 1808, Ebenezer son of William and Mary Rees at Llanrhian,
Pembrokeshire.
25 Sep 1808, Ebenezer, son of Ebenezer and Margaret Rees at Llangeler,
Carmarthen.
Happy hunting,
Lynne in Tucson
-----Original Message-----
From: P PARRY
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 10:14 AM
To: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com ; dyfed(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [GLA] The name of EBENEZER
Dear Fellow Family Historians
I am having great difficulty finding one of my ancestors called Ebenezer
Rees (a carpenter) according to his daughter (Mary Rees) marriage
certificate when she married Morgan Parry on 30th Dec 1840 in the chapel of
Strata Florida in Caron.
I am wondering if the name of EBENEZER is known as anything else. I have
found the residence of Mary at the time of marriage to be Rhosgellugron in
Caron, but I have a hunch that Ebenezer (or whatever his name is!) may have
travelled up from either Glamorgan or maybe Carmarthenshire.
Can anyone shine any light on the name of EBENEZER ?? Has anyone else had
problems with the name EBENEZER
Please also forward this message onto any other message groups that you feel
may be able to help
Many thanks in advance
Richard Parry
email - Richard.parry100(a)btinternet.com
Hi Adrian
Many thanks for your quick response. Mary married Morgan Parry on 30th Dec 1840 ( I have the certificate which shows Ebenezer as her father) I have found her living in Cwmgorffen Caron uwch clawdd with Morgan and with her married name of Parry in the April 1841 census ( also living with someone called Thomas Parry aged 25 ) . Morgan Parry died in March 1842 and I have not found Mary in any later Census where I was hoping to find her as a widow.
All feedback is appreciated
kind regards
Richard
________________________________
From: Adrian <adrianp7(a)talktalk.net>
To: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, 20 April 2014, 18:28
Subject: Re: [GLA] The name of EBENEZER
Hello Richard
Have you located Mary in any of the census returns? This will give you a
good idea as to where and when she was born.
Ebenezer is a biblical name.
Adrian
Yorkshire
On 20/04/2014 18:14, P PARRY wrote:
> Dear Fellow Family Historians
>
> I am having great difficulty finding one of my ancestors called Ebenezer Rees (a carpenter) according to his daughter (Mary Rees) marriage certificate when she married Morgan Parry on 30th Dec 1840 in the chapel of Strata Florida in Caron.
>
> I am wondering if the name of EBENEZER is known as anything else. I have found the residence of Mary at the time of marriage to be Rhosgellugron in Caron, but I have a hunch that Ebenezer (or whatever his name is!) may have travelled up from either Glamorgan or maybe Carmarthenshire.
>
> Can anyone shine any light on the name of EBENEZER ?? Has anyone else had problems with the name EBENEZER
>
> Please also forward this message onto any other message groups that you feel may be able to help
>
> Many thanks in advance
> Richard Parry
>
> email - Richard.parry100(a)btinternet.com
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Dear Fellow Family Historians
I am having great difficulty finding one of my ancestors called Ebenezer Rees (a carpenter) according to his daughter (Mary Rees) marriage certificate when she married Morgan Parry on 30th Dec 1840 in the chapel of Strata Florida in Caron.
I am wondering if the name of EBENEZER is known as anything else. I have found the residence of Mary at the time of marriage to be Rhosgellugron in Caron, but I have a hunch that Ebenezer (or whatever his name is!) may have travelled up from either Glamorgan or maybe Carmarthenshire.
Can anyone shine any light on the name of EBENEZER ?? Has anyone else had problems with the name EBENEZER
Please also forward this message onto any other message groups that you feel may be able to help
Many thanks in advance
Richard Parry
email - Richard.parry100(a)btinternet.com
Advise please on finding more about the gale of what I believe to be January 8th 1851 that drowned my gggrandfather and two other Hobblers, the Pilot and the pilots boy.
They apparently were on the Liskeard out of Plymouth. I cannot find anything on the Liskeard, I have googled Hobbler and it appears it could be several things but most likely a pilot in training? john Morgan was the pilot and could be the Pilot found registered on Bob Sanders website in 1833. John Williams died with his brother in law Joseph Wright,
The other Hobbler was John Webber and the "boy" isn't listed. The ship is listed as being lost in Penarth Roads but nothing significant comes up in google. If his widow is living at 56 bridge street Cardiff, with her father-in law at Millicent Street cardiff with her first born child and there was no body recovered, would he have a headstone in a graveyard? Or just a death certificate. If he wasn't a registered Pilot I am assuming his wife couldn't apply to the pilotage board for help?
Any suggestions?
~Sarah
Richard -
On Findmypast, there are several baptismal records:
24 Sep 1797 christening at Cilycwm, Carmarthenshire of an Ebennezer base son
of John Jones of Damwm ??? by Elizabeth Rees.
22 Jan 1797, Ebenezer son of Wm. Rees by Eliabeth his wife at
Llanfairarybryn, Carmarthen.
10 Apr 1808, Ebenezer son of William and Mary Rees at Llanrhian,
Pembrokeshire.
25 Sep 1808, Ebenezer, son of Ebenezer and Margaret Rees at Llangeler,
Carmarthen.
Happy hunting,
Lynne in Tucson
-----Original Message-----
From: P PARRY
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 10:14 AM
To: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com ; dyfed(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [GLA] The name of EBENEZER
Dear Fellow Family Historians
I am having great difficulty finding one of my ancestors called Ebenezer
Rees (a carpenter) according to his daughter (Mary Rees) marriage
certificate when she married Morgan Parry on 30th Dec 1840 in the chapel of
Strata Florida in Caron.
I am wondering if the name of EBENEZER is known as anything else. I have
found the residence of Mary at the time of marriage to be Rhosgellugron in
Caron, but I have a hunch that Ebenezer (or whatever his name is!) may have
travelled up from either Glamorgan or maybe Carmarthenshire.
Can anyone shine any light on the name of EBENEZER ?? Has anyone else had
problems with the name EBENEZER
Please also forward this message onto any other message groups that you feel
may be able to help
Many thanks in advance
Richard Parry
email - Richard.parry100(a)btinternet.com
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I should perhaps correct an impression that I gave earlier.
I assumed that the entries in Leslie's Directory of Perthshire dated 1911
for a Frank Page PEDWARDEN (commercial traveller) and George Dawson
PEDWARDEN (Linen merchant) must indicate a population of PEDWARDENs in
Scotland but having now consulted the Scotland's People web site I can find
no trace of that surname at all.
There are present day PENWARDENs the earliest mentioned being the death of a
Margaret in Edinburgh age 40 in Edinburgh and birth of an Agnes Eleanor
PENWARDER in 1876 in Edinburgh. So once again the PEDWARDENs are a mystery
wherever they appear.
John Pepperdine
From: John Pepperdine [mailto:jpfourdine17@btinternet.com]
Sent: 15 April 2014 13:07
To: 'GLAMORGAN(a)rootsweb.com'
Subject: PEDWARDEN family connections
The NBI shows three burials in Whitchurch St Mary Glamorgan as follows
Amy PEDWORTHEN buried 7 Mar 1733
Harry PODWARDEN buried 5 Dec 1744
William PEDWARDEN buried 17 Aug 1750.
Can anyone please help to put this, seemingly isolated family, into context?
Where did they come from, where did they go to?
Today there are PEDWARDENs in Scotland but not as far as I can see in
England or Wales.
Presumably it should not be confused with the separate surname of PENWARDINE
originating in Cornwall and is more likely to be of Welsh origin unless it
derives from PEDWARDINE
Background note:
The PEDWARDINE family who take their name from Pedwardine in Brompton Bryan,
(Hereford/Shropshire) can be traced back to the parents of the two
individuals who appear there in the Domesday survey of 1086. Their
descendant Roger married into the de Longchamp family and settled Burton
Pedwardine in Lincolnshire but that surname appears to die out at 1468. I
have put a PEDWARDINE family tree on Ancestry but cannot add to it with any
certainty unless I first establish the distribution of any PEDWARDENs.
At this date one of six brothers (none of whom inherited the manor of
Burton) gave up claim to any remaining land in Lincolnshire and is referred
to as Christopher PEDWARDINE gent of Brampton Bryan, Shropshire. He was born
1439 but what happened to him thereafter is not known at present.
The John PETWARDYNE who died in Doncaster 1487 may possibly be Christopher's
brother born 1435 although this is unlikely to be proved. His possible
descendants are the PETWARDINEs, whose name is misspelt in a variety of
ways but seem to be confined to the large parish of Howden in Yorkshire
until they die out in early 18th century.
John PEPPERDINE
Better link:
Ancestry.co.uk are offering free access to the UK 1901 & 1911 Censuses, WW1
military records, GRO indexes, and the National Probate Calendar until
midnight on Easter Monday:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/grouplist.aspx?group=easter_free_reco... have now added nearly 400,000 Non-conformist records from theManchester area:Births & baptisms 1758-1912Marriages 1758-1937Deaths & burials 1758-1987Jeff
Received on another list. May be useful.
Ancestry.co.uk are offering free access to the UK 1901 & 1911 Censuses, WW1
military records, GRO indexes, and the National Probate Calendar until
midnight on Easter Monday:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/grouplist.aspx?group=easter_free_reco... have now added nearly 400,000 Non-conformist records from theManchester area:Births & baptisms 1758-1912Marriages 1758-1937Deaths & burials 1758-1987Jeff
Bedwardine is an area of Worcester. The parish of St. John-in-Bedwardine was
partly within the City of Worcester and partly outside it. Parish registers
have been microfilmed by GSU in 1962 as Worcester (St John in Bedwardine)
and copies are on microfilm at the Society of Genealogists. IGI has some
records for the parish, and also some from Worcester (St Michael in
Bedwardine).
Jeff
Note that the registers of St Mary, Whitchurch are at Glamorgan Archives in
Leckwith, Cardiff, not at West Glamorgan Archives in Swansea.
Images of the relevant registers are online at Findmypast, which is
accessible at libraries in Wales, and possibly at libraries and/or archives
in parts of England. Because of the erratic transcription of surnames it may
be simpler to find the images by searching on the first names and the year,
and specifying Whitchurch as key word.
I confirm that the entries I found were all 'Ped' rather than 'Pen' in the
online images. It is possible that whoever did transcriptions for the NBI
years ago was not familiar with 18th-century handwriting.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jill Muir" <jill(a)shottle.plus.com>
To: "'John Pepperdine'" <jpfourdine17(a)btinternet.com>;
<GLAMORGAN(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [GLA] PEDWARDEN family connections
Ah, I thought that it might be you John from Norfolk, as we have been in
touch regarding MIs before, and I gave you a clue with my website URL in my
last message.
>The problem I find now is that I write to a Tourist Information Office and
obtain a list of local accommodation with a view to spending a few days in
the local record office only to find when I ring up to make a booking that
many of the premises on the list no longer offer accommodation.
I do not write to Tourist Offices any longer as most do not exist. I ring
or email them. Swansea as a city does have one.
Swansea Tourist Information Centre
Plymouth Street (back of Grand Theatre)
Swansea
SA1 3QG
Tel: 01792 468321
Email: tourism(a)swansea.gov.uk
Web: www.visitswanseabay.com
You have not said how you are travelling, but if by car, then you can park
freely at Travel Lodge or Ibis, all of which are not expensive.
There are both a Travel Lodge and a Premier Inn within a bus ride of the
West Glamorgan Archives, I believe.
My best wishes, Jill
-----Original Message-----
From: glamorgan-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of John Pepperdine
Sent: 16 April 2014 15:06
To: GLAMORGAN(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [GLA] PEDWARDEN family connections
Thank you Jeff. The three additional burials you have found do not appear on
the NBI (National Burial Index) or at least I have not found them yet.
Presumably Anne was buried 1738 as she does not appear on Free BMD and as
you say we would now write 1739.
I could well understand if there were PEDWARDENs in
Shropshire/Herefordshire. I have just not found them yet. In common with
many place names in the Welsh Marches Pedwardine was a wardine or a
fortified settlement and it belonged in this case to a chieftain named Peoda
or Piuda who is supposed also to have given his name to Theddingworth in
Leicestershire.
I did not mention in my original message that I am writing from Norfolk
where I have recorded many MIs since I retired and have now returned to my
One-Name Study. The problem I find now is that I write to a Tourist
Information Office and obtain a list of local accommodation with a view to
spending a few days in the local record office only to find when I ring up
to make a booking that many of the premises on the list no longer offer
accommodation. Whether they simply do not advise the Tourist Information
Office or whether that office simply fails to take an interest I do not know
but I would hate to be stranded in some town and seeking accommodation
overnight it must be a very frustrating experience unless you are prepared
to pay over £100 per night and £5 to garage the car....
If I did not have to travel so far I would look at the parish registers for
Whitchurch St Mary and record details of any associated marriages or
baptisms.
I am saving all the information sent to me via this list and it may come in
useful at some future date I note in some Royal Ancestries on the Internet
that a Margaret PEDWARDEN married William COLEPEPPER in Aylesford, Kent and
is said to have been born
1432 and died 1503. I mention this to demonstrate how widespread but thinly
this name is scattered. I may not be able to establish any further facts
about the family in medieval times but it should be possible to tie in the
more recent Scottish branch.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Coleman [mailto:Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 16 April 2014 11:37
To: John Pepperdine; GLAMORGAN(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [GLA] PEDWARDEN family connections
Note that Henry PEDWARDEN was also buried at Whitchurch 22nd March 1734. FmP
has him as PEDWARDIN.
Thos PEDWARDIN was also buried there 20th April 1751 and Anne PEDWARDIN 8th
January 1838. Note that this was before the new calendar was introduced so
March 1734 and January 1838 would nowadays be treated as 1735 and 1739.
Jeff
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Dear List:
I have found family members in Cardiff parish registers in the mid-1800's with different but similar parish names; and I'm wondering if they are really two different parishes. The name of the parish in 1841 was St. John & St. Mary Cardiff; the family lived on Caroline Street, St. Mary. In 1846 the parish name was St. Mary the Virgin Cardiff in 1846; the family's address was Bridge Street.
It appears that St. John and St. Mary were together at some time. When I was looking for a record in that combined parish--on Findmypast--the records just ended in the middle of 1842. At that time were there separate St. John as well as St. Mary parishes. I'm trying to discover if a child baptized in St. John in 1844 would have been in the combined parish or a separate parish altogether.
JoLynn Barneck
>From the Oxford Names Companion, Oxford University Press, the following.
PENWARNE. Cornish: habitation name from places in the parishes of
Mawnan, Cuby and Mevagissey, all so called from Corn. pen head, top end + gwern,
which means both ash and alder trees.
Var. PENWARDEN (a place in the parish of South Hill].
This book does not contain as many surnames as the Dictionary of British
Surnames, and is missing most of the more unusual names in my own family, but
it also has a section on place names of UK.
Wendy
'Oxford Dictionary of British Surnames gives the meaning as 'top of the
barley field', which became the name of the village, and thence to the
family.
Best regards,
Wendyg
Note that Henry PEDWARDEN was also buried at Whitchurch 22nd March 1734. FmP
has him as PEDWARDIN.
Thos PEDWARDIN was also buried there 20th April 1751 and Anne PEDWARDIN 8th
January 1838. Note that this was before the new calendar was introduced so
March 1734 and January 1838 would nowadays be treated as 1735 and 1739.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Pepperdine" <jpfourdine17(a)btinternet.com>
To: <GLAMORGAN(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 1:07 PM
Subject: [GLA] PEDWARDEN family connections
> The NBI shows three burials in Whitchurch St Mary Glamorgan as follows
> Amy PEDWORTHEN buried 7 Mar 1733
> Harry PODWARDEN buried 5 Dec 1744
> William PEDWARDEN buried 17 Aug 1750.
>
> Can anyone please help to put this, seemingly isolated family, into
> context?
> Where did they come from, where did they go to?
>
> Today there are PEDWARDENs in Scotland but not as far as I can see in
> England or Wales.
> Presumably it should not be confused with the separate surname of
> PENWARDINE
> originating in Cornwall and is more likely to be of Welsh origin unless it
> derives from PEDWARDINE
>
> Background note:
> The PEDWARDINE family who take their name from Pedwardine in Brompton
> Bryan,
> (Hereford/Shropshire) can be traced back to the parents of the two
> individuals who appear there in the Domesday survey of 1086. Their
> descendant Roger married into the de Longchamp family and settled Burton
> Pedwardine in Lincolnshire but that surname appears to die out at 1468. I
> have put a PEDWARDINE family tree on Ancestry but cannot add to it with
> any
> certainty unless I first establish the distribution of any PEDWARDENs.
> At this date one of six brothers (none of whom inherited the manor of
> Burton) gave up claim to any remaining land in Lincolnshire and is
> referred
> to as Christopher PEDWARDINE gent of Brampton Bryan, Shropshire. He was
> born
> 1439 but what happened to him thereafter is not known at present.
> The John PETWARDYNE who died in Doncaster 1487 may possibly be
> Christopher's
> brother born 1435 although this is unlikely to be proved. His possible
> descendants are the PETWARDINEs, whose name is misspelt in a variety of
> ways but seem to be confined to the large parish of Howden in Yorkshire
> until they die out in early 18th century.
>
> John PEPPERDINE
>
>
>
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You should see the variations on PRIDEAUX !! Which is a Cornish name incidentally but got Frenchified.
Some of them had wealth and estates and some were miners and ag labs.
Sue
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On Wed, 16/4/14, John Pepperdine <jpfourdine17(a)btinternet.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [GLA] PEDWARDEN family connections
To: GLAMORGAN(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Wednesday, 16 April, 2014, 7:11
Thank you for that
thought Sue. I realise that some hard to understand
spelling changes such as 'n' to
'l' can come about but unless you can show
me an example I do not believe that the
spelling of a name can change in
such a way
that an 'n' can become a 'd'.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: sue/john prideaux [mailto:sj_prideaux@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 15 April 2014 17:04
To: GLAMORGAN(a)rootsweb.com;
John Pepperdine
Subject: Re: [GLA] PEDWARDEN
family connections
Many
Cornish miners travelled away to get work and use their
skills.It might
be worth researching the
Cornish branch further.
Similiarily many families from North Somerset
travelled across the Bristol
Channel to work
in S Wales.
We have today
visited the Winding house on the Brendon Hills where there
was
once a village and railway attached to
the workings of minerals near
Raleighs
Cross. Trucks were wound up and down a long incline that
took the
ore to the ships at Watchet.
Sue
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The main reason for appearance of 'foreign' surnames in Glamorgan was
industrial employment. In any location it is likely that initially skilled
workers were persuaded to move from somewhere else along with their
employer. Later on less skilled and unskilled workers were attracted by high
wages or the possibility of steady employment, and self-employed people in
the service industries, like grocers, drapers, butchers, housebuilders and
solicitors moved to growing industrial towns to try their luck. Sometimes
people came for temporary reasons, like canal or railway navvies, or
merchant seamen, met local girls and settled. Sometimes clergy moved form
one area to another as well, though
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Whitchurch/ suggests that Whitchurch
did not have its own vicar, but was run from Llandaff. The tithes also went
to the Llandaff cathedral chapter, see
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Llandaff/Lewis1833.html
So why would a 'strange' surname appear in Whitchurch parish, on the
outskirts of modern Cardiff, around 1740s/1750s?
The answer is the Melingriffith works, originally an iron works and forge,
later a tinplate works.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melingriffith_Tin_Plate_Works looks quite
accurate, as far as I can see, which suggests that it started some time
before 1750. The Glamorganshire Canal was some decades later.
So the next step would seem to be looking at places from which iron workers
might have migrated around that time. My suspicion would be Shropshire or
Staffordshire. Pen- surnames are largely derived from Pen- placenames in
places where the forerunner language of Welsh or Cornish or Breton was
supplanted as a local language by English or French. Note that Pen-
placenames also occur in Cumbria.
Archives Network Wales or the equivalent English site might have details of
where deeds and documents from the early days of the works are located.
In later years Melingriffith and Pentyrch Iron works a mile or two up-river
came under the control of T.W.Booker, and their over-valuation as basis for
loans was a major contributory factor in the collapse of the West of England
and South Wales District Banking Company. See
http://www.banking-history.co.uk/weswdbc.html and numerous reports in South
Wales newspapers of the time. Other obsolete ironworks in Aberdare were also
over-valued.
I assume that you know that Findmypast.co.uk have Whitchurch burials in
their online database under Glamorgan Burial Index (from GlamFHS, no images)
and under Glamorgan Burials (their transcription of images of the parish
registers done by GSU) with images. The image for William looks like
PEDWARDIN, and it has been so transcribed. Amy looks like PEDWARTHEN but FmP
have transcribed as PEDWAXTHON. Harry looks like PEDWARDIN and is so
transcribed by FmP.
There is a link to images of gravestones in the current Whitchurch parish
church graveyard on the GENUKI page, and no memorials with this name
survive. I suspect that the parish Church was rebuilt in late Victorian
times, from my recollection of its appearance.
If you are wondering how a name that might originally have been Penwarden or
similar might have become Pedwarden, try saying it with a stuffed-up nose or
a bad cold.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Pepperdine" <jpfourdine17(a)btinternet.com>
To: <GLAMORGAN(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [GLA] PEDWARDEN family connections
> Thank you for that thought Sue. I realise that some hard to understand
> spelling changes such as 'n' to 'l' can come about but unless you can show
> me an example I do not believe that the spelling of a name can change in
> such a way that an 'n' can become a 'd'.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sue/john prideaux [mailto:sj_prideaux@yahoo.co.uk]
> Sent: 15 April 2014 17:04
> To: GLAMORGAN(a)rootsweb.com; John Pepperdine
> Subject: Re: [GLA] PEDWARDEN family connections
>
> Many Cornish miners travelled away to get work and use their skills.It
> might
> be worth researching the Cornish branch further.
>
> Similiarily many families from North Somerset travelled across the Bristol
> Channel to work in S Wales.
>
> We have today visited the Winding house on the Brendon Hills where there
> was
> once a village and railway attached to the workings of minerals near
> Raleighs Cross. Trucks were wound up and down a long incline that took the
> ore to the ships at Watchet.
>
> Sue
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Hi John, It would rather depend on the ages that some of these people died,
as the older stones may be lichened or damaged in some way and someone who
was a new transcriber happened to do the stones where an 'n' can became a
'd'. It should have been checked of course, but errors happen. Perhaps
someone on the list or the local history society would check this out for
you or take images of the relevant stones?
I hope this helps,
Best wishes Jill
http://www.gravematters.org.uk/
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From: glamorgan-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of John Pepperdine
Sent: 16 April 2014 07:12
To: GLAMORGAN(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [GLA] PEDWARDEN family connections
Thank you for that thought Sue. I realise that some hard to understand
spelling changes such as 'n' to 'l' can come about but unless you can show
me an example I do not believe that the spelling of a name can change in
such a way that an 'n' can become a 'd'.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: sue/john prideaux [mailto:sj_prideaux@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 15 April 2014 17:04
To: GLAMORGAN(a)rootsweb.com; John Pepperdine
Subject: Re: [GLA] PEDWARDEN family connections
Many Cornish miners travelled away to get work and use their skills.It might
be worth researching the Cornish branch further.
Similiarily many families from North Somerset travelled across the Bristol
Channel to work in S Wales.
We have today visited the Winding house on the Brendon Hills where there was
once a village and railway attached to the workings of minerals near
Raleighs Cross. Trucks were wound up and down a long incline that took the
ore to the ships at Watchet.
Sue
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