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Hi,
To conclude a family discussion which started over the weekend when I was
staying in the Swansea Valley, can anyone help with the location of the
former Ystalyfera railway station? I know that my grandmother and her
sister and, later, my aunt used to travel to Ystalyfera Intermediate which
became the grammar school by train from Pontardawe. I remember from my
childhood the site of the station in Pontardawe on the Cilybebyll side of
the valley but I suspect that the station in Ystalyfera must have been on
the Llangiwg side. If this is the case, question number two is at what
point did the railway line cross the valley?
I have been unable to find the answer to these questions online but I am
confident that someone reading this will have the answer!
Pamela
Hi Karen
Yes it is just an index. Search the archives though as I transcribed many
items and posted them to the list some time ago. I think you are in
Australia and I found the easiest way to get copies was through NLW as they
take credit cards. They have a minimum charge so make a list of things you'd
like including perhaps marriage bonds or Wills and get a quote. Having said
that you should also find you can read the relevant Cambrian articles online
through the NLW online newspaper database
http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/
Regards
Lyn
In Oz.
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> Subject: [GLA] cambrian index
>
> Can anyone please tell me how I can read items from the
> Cambrian Index please? Is it just an index and then do I have
> to send away for information?
>
> Thanks.
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Can anyone please tell me how I can read items from the Cambrian Index
please? Is it just an index and then do I have to send away for information?
Thanks.
Regards
Karen.
Karen,
You can read the articles on-line up to 1919 on the National Library of
Wales web site.
[1]http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/home
You can search or browse by title and date.
regards,
Dai
On 21/10/2013 23:20, Karen Mabey wrote:
Can anyone please tell me how I can read items from the Cambrian Index
please? Is it just an index and then do I have to send away for information?
Thanks.
Regards
Karen.
References
1. http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/home
Hello James,
I was a Davies and was born in Penygraig!
My family were not in the Rhondda at the time you mention, but later my
great grandfather, Daniel Davies, printer, was an agent for those emigrating
to the USA.
I always think of the Rhondda as ending at Porth (Gateway!)
The Rhondda Fawr (Big) running from Blaencwm, through Treherbert, Treorchy,
Ton Pentre, Ystrad Rhondda, Llwynypia, Tonypandy, Penygraig, and Dinas. At
Llwynypia there was another road running through Trealaw to Porth.
The Rhondda Fach (Small) runs from Maerdy through Ferndale, Tylorstown,
Wattstown, and Ynyshir, to Porth.
Google maps, Rhondda Valley, will give you a good idea of the way the two
rivers run down to Porth, where they join, and on to Pontypridd and Cardiff.
At some point, Pontypridd I think, it joins the river Taff.
I hope this is clear!! I haven't lived in the Rhondda for many years, but do
visit family in Wattstown from time to time.
Regards,
Helen
http://augustaladyllanover.coffeecup.com
Hello Jill Muir and all fellow searchers in Glamorganshire,
If someone came to the USA in 1841 and said they were from Rhondda
Valley, what area of Glamorganshire would this include? I suppose this
would this be down the Rhondda rivers:
from Blaenrhondda (past Tynedwydd, Treherbert, Treorch, Ystrad, Llwynpia,
Tonypandy, Trelaw) to Porth or
from Maerdy (past Ferndale, Tylorstown, Wattstown, Ynyshir) to Porth
and maybe further down the river (past Trehafod) down to Pontypridd.
How far away from the Rhondda rivers might the Rhondda Valley extend. To
Hirwan? To Aberdare? To Cwmparc or Abergwynti or Nant-y-moal or Clydach
Vale or Penygraig?
Also maybe down past Pontyprid down the river (past Rhydyfein, Nantgarw,
Taff-Well) to Tongwynlais? (or does the river change name below
Pontypridd?)
I just can't figure out what might be included in the Rhondda Valley
designation. Anything close to the Rhondda rivers and not in another valley
near another river I guess but just how far does this extend? Actually, I
suppose, it really depends on the time period and who says it but I'm just
trying to figure out my search area.
In 1981 I came to visit and went through the 1841 census microfilm
but couldn't find my John DAVIS b. 1833, son of John DAVIS, as shown below.
At that time I hadn't found his family in the passenger lists and census as
shown below. I'm pretty sure these are the right records, only because of
the family reported arrival date of 1841 and father's name of John. But I
have not connected to any of his sister's families yet or determined any of
their married names yet. However there are so many John DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID
men it is hard to be sure.
I also looked at the Parish records microfilms or books in Cardiff
and Aberystwyth for the parishes of: Ystraddyfodwg, Aberdare, Llanwonno,
Llantrisant, Llantwit-fardre, Eglwysilan, and Vaynor, Penderyn, and
Ystradfelte. I didn't get to Blaen Gwrach or Clyn-corwg. Of course in the
tedium I may have missed them.
Some interesting finds were:
John David m.1826 Ann Williams in Aberdare Bishop's Transcripts
John David m.1826 Anne Griffith in Llantrisant Parish Records
Anne Davies b.1836 to John & Anne Davies of Trap in Aberdare Bishop's
Transcripts
Anne Davies b.1837 to John & Anne Davies of Trap in Aberdare Bishop's
Transcripts
John Davis age 20 & Ann age 15 living 1841 Census in Trap in Parish Aberdare
John Davies age 30 & Ann age 30 in 1841 Census in Hamlet Havod in Parish
Llanwono with Mary 6 and Catherine 3 mo.
John David age 30 & Anne in 1841 Census on High St. in Parish Llantrisant
with David, Mary, and Celia
John Davies age 25 & Ann in 1841 Census in River Row in Parish Llantwtvarde
with Margaret
But none of these looked like what I was looking for.
I also went through the Tithes & Apportionment Books for the 1841
period and found several John DAVID/DAVIES/DAVIS listed but alone it doesn't
say much except to give me a place to search further in other records.
Penderyn (1), Vaynor (1), Aberdare (1), Llanwono (1), Llantrisant (3),
Eglwysilan (2), Pentyrch (1), Radyr (1), Whitchurch (1).
While there in 1981 I didn't have time to search for non-conformist
church records at Aberystwyth.
Maybe I need to do this all over again and be more careful and
complete in my searching. I still have all my old 1981 notes. Maybe I
found a John Davis for someone else.
I subsequently looked in the Morman records here at home for St.
Catherine's House birth records for Mary Davis b.ca.1839/1840 to see where
she might be born, but there were so many I gave up on that since it was
going to cost quite a bit to order copies of all the records to determine
the parents and then place of birth. Maybe I should try this again in the
Morman website called FamilySearch.
MY FAMILY INFO
My great grandfather John E. DAVIS b.8 May 1833, d. 1900 came from
Wales when 8 years old (1841) with his father John DAVIS.
He might have been on this passenger list:
Ship John Taylor from Liverpool to New York arriving 18 May 1841
John Davis 36 Wales Laborer
Mrs. 40 "
Elizabeth 10 "
John 8 " (1833)
Ann 4 "
Mary 1 "
He might have been in this family in 1850 in
1850 Census, Pennsylvania, Schuylkill Co., Cass Township, Family 919 919
John E. DAVIS 45 Miner Wales
Ann 49 "
Elisabeth 19 "
John 17 " (1832/3)
Ann 15 "
Meary 11 "
John PRICHARD 30 Miner "
I suspect his father, John E. Davis b.ca.1805, died in Pennyslvania
but so far I have not found his death.
He was a coal miner in Pennsylvania (lived at least in Shuylkill and
Luzerne Cos.) and then went to Colorado. He moved to CO about 1878. He
married Janet JENKINS b. 16 July 1833 Wonder Valley, Wales who immigrated to
PA about 1854. Their children were named David, Benjamin, Richard,
Elisabeth, John and Anna.
His son, my grandfather, was John E. Davis 1874-1939 who was a coal
miner and then barber in Colorado. He attended a Christian Church. (not
Baptist or Methodist or Anglican) I think this is a Congregationalist type
church.
He died in Colorado in 1900 and next to him were buried children
with tombstones saying they were born in Glamorgen. His death certificate
says he was born in Wonder Valley, Wales. A sextant I met in in Colorado
says there is no Wonder Valley in Glamorganshire but named off seven
valleys, one of which was Rhondda Valley which with his accent sounded very
much like Wonder Valley to me.
Any suggestions on how to search further?
Peace,
James R. Davis, Sacramento, CA
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Subject: [GLA] Local knowledge of an area
... snip ...
Although I was born and brought up in Wales, it was during the war and just
afterwards, so I hardly entered the Swansea valleys. I do know reasonably
well the Merthyr and lower Rhondda valleys though.
My best wishes, Jill
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Thanks Jill I was wondering how this worked.
Karen.
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From: glamorgan-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Jill Muir
Sent: Monday, 21 October 2013 3:24 AM
To: 'Ian Graham'; glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [GLA] Local knowledge of an area - [changed to] Replying to
List messages
Graham, If you hit 'Reply' then that goes to the sender of the message and
is private.
If you hit 'Reply to All', this is a public message goes to the list and the
person who wrote the message you are responding to.
Jill
-----Original Message-----
From: glamorgan-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Graham
Sent: 20 October 2013 11:11
To: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [GLA] Local knowledge of an area
I am an 'incomer' to Ystalyfera, but deeply interested in the history of the
upper Tawe Valley, and also involved with the local Heritage Society. I
would be happy to try to respond to specific queries about locations, either
directly or by finding answers from others.
The problem in this case, I think, is that so far there has been no
information (maybe there is none) as to where in Llangiwg parish the girls
might have been born. By the time of their birth, both Ponatardawe and
Ystalyfera were well-established.
Incidentally, could not messages from the list be reconfigured somehow so
that they (functionally) come from the list and not from the poster ? Ie so
that we could just click on 'reply' to add to a thread ?
Sincerely
Ian G
Pant-teg, Y'fera
From: "Jill Muir" <jill(a)shottle.plus.com>
To: <glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:27 AM
Subject: [GLA] Local knowledge of an area
>> Llanguicke was a very extensive area which included areas which
>> became
> better known in later years as Pontardawe, Ystalyfera, Ynysmeudwy
>
> Nothing can compare to local knowledge of an area. I have hunted
> through maps, stayed at and driven around the Cilybebyll area. I have
> visited Pontardawe, Ystalyfera, Ynysmeudwy, all places where my family
> lived, and still I hadn't quite appreciated where exactly I was,
> possibly because of the various place names. I have found it so
> confusing in chasing my JONES family, that I have almost given in
> several times, as I thought I was losing the plot! ;-)) This
> description of Jeff's is so very helpful.
>
> Is it possible from Jeff and others, that we could have local
> descriptive details of where places are. Although I was born and
> brought up in Wales, it was during the war and just afterwards, so I
> hardly entered the Swansea valleys. I do know reasonably well the
> Merthyr and lower Rhondda valleys though.
>
> My best wishes, Jill
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com]
> On Behalf Of Robert Alun Chick
> Sent: 17 October 2013 20:43
> To: Adrian
> Cc: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [GLA] 1881 CENSUS LLANWONO
>
>
> From: "Jeff Coleman" <jeff.coleman(a)ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [GLA] Ystalyfera/Llanguicke
> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:27:26 -0000
> References: <1e.3bdbe280.2f080aa8(a)aol.com>
>
>
> Hello Anna
>
> Llanguicke (also known as Llangiwg) was one of the very ancient
> parishes into which Glamorgan was divided, on the west bank of the
> river Tawe, opposite Cilybebyll on the east bank. Llanguicke was a
> very extensive area which included areas which became better known in
> later years as Pontardawe, Ystalyfera, Ynysmeudwy etc.
>
> Start at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Llangiwg/Ystalyfera/ and
> explore some of the links, or try http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
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Hello Jill Muir and all fellow searchers in Glamorganshire,
If someone came to the USA in 1841 and said they were from Rhondda
Valley, what area of Glamorganshire would this include? I suppose this
would this be down the Rhondda rivers:
from Blaenrhondda (past Tynedwydd, Treherbert, Treorch, Ystrad, Llwynpia,
Tonypandy, Trelaw) to Porth or
from Maerdy (past Ferndale, Tylorstown, Wattstown, Ynyshir) to Porth
and maybe further down the river (past Trehafod) down to Pontypridd.
How far away from the Rhondda rivers might the Rhondda Valley extend. To
Hirwan? To Aberdare? To Cwmparc or Abergwynti or Nant-y-moal or Clydach
Vale or Penygraig?
Also maybe down past Pontyprid down the river (past Rhydyfein, Nantgarw,
Taff-Well) to Tongwynlais? (or does the river change name below
Pontypridd?)
I just can't figure out what might be included in the Rhondda Valley
designation. Anything close to the Rhondda rivers and not in another valley
near another river I guess but just how far does this extend? Actually, I
suppose, it really depends on the time period and who says it but I'm just
trying to figure out my search area.
In 1981 I came to visit and went through the 1841 census microfilm
but couldn't find my John DAVIS b. 1833, son of John DAVIS, as shown below.
At that time I hadn't found his family in the passenger lists and census as
shown below. I'm pretty sure these are the right records, only because of
the family reported arrival date of 1841 and father's name of John. But I
have not connected to any of his sister's families yet or determined any of
their married names yet. However there are so many John DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID
men it is hard to be sure.
I also looked at the Parish records microfilms or books in Cardiff
and Aberystwyth for the parishes of: Ystraddyfodwg, Aberdare, Llanwonno,
Llantrisant, Llantwit-fardre, Eglwysilan, and Vaynor, Penderyn, and
Ystradfelte. I didn't get to Blaen Gwrach or Clyn-corwg. Of course in the
tedium I may have missed them.
Some interesting finds were:
John David m.1826 Ann Williams in Aberdare Bishop's Transcripts
John David m.1826 Anne Griffith in Llantrisant Parish Records
Anne Davies b.1836 to John & Anne Davies of Trap in Aberdare Bishop's
Transcripts
Anne Davies b.1837 to John & Anne Davies of Trap in Aberdare Bishop's
Transcripts
John Davis age 20 & Ann age 15 living 1841 Census in Trap in Parish Aberdare
John Davies age 30 & Ann age 30 in 1841 Census in Hamlet Havod in Parish
Llanwono with Mary 6 and Catherine 3 mo.
John David age 30 & Anne in 1841 Census on High St. in Parish Llantrisant
with David, Mary, and Celia
John Davies age 25 & Ann in 1841 Census in River Row in Parish Llantwtvarde
with Margaret
But none of these looked like what I was looking for.
I also went through the Tithes & Apportionment Books for the 1841
period and found several John DAVID/DAVIES/DAVIS listed but alone it doesn't
say much except to give me a place to search further in other records.
Penderyn (1), Vaynor (1), Aberdare (1), Llanwono (1), Llantrisant (3),
Eglwysilan (2), Pentyrch (1), Radyr (1), Whitchurch (1).
While there in 1981 I didn't have time to search for non-conformist
church records at Aberystwyth.
Maybe I need to do this all over again and be more careful and
complete in my searching. I still have all my old 1981 notes. Maybe I
found a John Davis for someone else.
I subsequently looked in the Morman records here at home for St.
Catherine's House birth records for Mary Davis b.ca.1839/1840 to see where
she might be born, but there were so many I gave up on that since it was
going to cost quite a bit to order copies of all the records to determine
the parents and then place of birth. Maybe I should try this again in the
Morman website called FamilySearch.
MY FAMILY INFO
My great grandfather John E. DAVIS b.8 May 1833, d. 1900 came from
Wales when 8 years old (1841) with his father John DAVIS.
He might have been on this passenger list:
Ship John Taylor from Liverpool to New York arriving 18 May 1841
John Davis 36 Wales Laborer
Mrs. 40 "
Elizabeth 10 "
John 8 " (1833)
Ann 4 "
Mary 1 "
He might have been in this family in 1850 in
1850 Census, Pennsylvania, Schuylkill Co., Cass Township, Family 919 919
John E. DAVIS 45 Miner Wales
Ann 49 "
Elisabeth 19 "
John 17 " (1832/3)
Ann 15 "
Meary 11 "
John PRICHARD 30 Miner "
I suspect his father, John E. Davis b.ca.1805, died in Pennyslvania
but so far I have not found his death.
He was a coal miner in Pennsylvania (lived at least in Shuylkill and
Luzerne Cos.) and then went to Colorado. He moved to CO about 1878. He
married Janet JENKINS b. 16 July 1833 Wonder Valley, Wales who immigrated to
PA about 1854. Their children were named David, Benjamin, Richard,
Elisabeth, John and Anna.
His son, my grandfather, was John E. Davis 1874-1939 who was a coal
miner and then barber in Colorado. He attended a Christian Church. (not
Baptist or Methodist or Anglican) I think this is a Congregationalist type
church.
He died in Colorado in 1900 and next to him were buried children
with tombstones saying they were born in Glamorgen. His death certificate
says he was born in Wonder Valley, Wales. A sextant I met in in Colorado
says there is no Wonder Valley in Glamorganshire but named off seven
valleys, one of which was Rhondda Valley which with his accent sounded very
much like Wonder Valley to me.
Any suggestions on how to search further?
Peace,
James R. Davis, Sacramento, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: glamorgan-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Jill Muir
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 1:28 AM
To: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [GLA] Local knowledge of an area
... snip ...
Although I was born and brought up in Wales, it was during the war and just
afterwards, so I hardly entered the Swansea valleys. I do know reasonably
well the Merthyr and lower Rhondda valleys though.
My best wishes, Jill
Dear Listers,
This is my yearly or so search for anyone who might have a NIHEN (variety of
spellings) hanging from their Family Tree.
I can trace my Nihen family to Daniel and Nancy (aka Ann) Nihen who lived in
Aberavon from about 1851 until their deaths in Aberavon in 1871 and 1876
respectively.
One of their children, Johanna, remained in Aberavon while her siblings left
for America about 1869. Johanna married John Crowley and had children:
Ellen, John, Margaret, Daniel, and Mary. Johanna died in 1893 and her
husband in 1897.
Ellen Crowley married Michael McCarthy and had children: Catherine, Annie,
Dennis, John and Daniel.
Margaret Crowley married Richard Madden. This Madden family would be the
ancestors of John Patrick Griffiths who was a member and contributor to this
list until his death in 2011.
I am hoping someone on this list has information about any of these lines.
Thanks and best wishes,
Joe Nihen
Lansford, Pennsylvania
Graham, If you hit 'Reply' then that goes to the sender of the message and
is private.
If you hit 'Reply to All', this is a public message goes to the list and the
person who wrote the message you are responding to.
Jill
-----Original Message-----
From: glamorgan-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Graham
Sent: 20 October 2013 11:11
To: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [GLA] Local knowledge of an area
I am an 'incomer' to Ystalyfera, but deeply interested in the history of the
upper Tawe Valley, and also involved with the local Heritage Society. I
would be happy to try to respond to specific queries about locations, either
directly or by finding answers from others.
The problem in this case, I think, is that so far there has been no
information (maybe there is none) as to where in Llangiwg parish the girls
might have been born. By the time of their birth, both Ponatardawe and
Ystalyfera were well-established.
Incidentally, could not messages from the list be reconfigured somehow so
that they (functionally) come from the list and not from the poster ? Ie so
that we could just click on 'reply' to add to a thread ?
Sincerely
Ian G
Pant-teg, Y'fera
From: "Jill Muir" <jill(a)shottle.plus.com>
To: <glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:27 AM
Subject: [GLA] Local knowledge of an area
>> Llanguicke was a very extensive area which included areas which
>> became
> better known in later years as Pontardawe, Ystalyfera, Ynysmeudwy
>
> Nothing can compare to local knowledge of an area. I have hunted
> through maps, stayed at and driven around the Cilybebyll area. I have
> visited Pontardawe, Ystalyfera, Ynysmeudwy, all places where my family
> lived, and still I hadn't quite appreciated where exactly I was,
> possibly because of the various place names. I have found it so
> confusing in chasing my JONES family, that I have almost given in
> several times, as I thought I was losing the plot! ;-)) This
> description of Jeff's is so very helpful.
>
> Is it possible from Jeff and others, that we could have local
> descriptive details of where places are. Although I was born and
> brought up in Wales, it was during the war and just afterwards, so I
> hardly entered the Swansea valleys. I do know reasonably well the
> Merthyr and lower Rhondda valleys though.
>
> My best wishes, Jill
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: glamorgan-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
> [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com]
> On Behalf Of Robert Alun Chick
> Sent: 17 October 2013 20:43
> To: Adrian
> Cc: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [GLA] 1881 CENSUS LLANWONO
>
>
> From: "Jeff Coleman" <jeff.coleman(a)ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [GLA] Ystalyfera/Llanguicke
> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:27:26 -0000
> References: <1e.3bdbe280.2f080aa8(a)aol.com>
>
>
> Hello Anna
>
> Llanguicke (also known as Llangiwg) was one of the very ancient
> parishes into which Glamorgan was divided, on the west bank of the
> river Tawe, opposite Cilybebyll on the east bank. Llanguicke was a
> very extensive area which included areas which became better known in
> later years as Pontardawe, Ystalyfera, Ynysmeudwy etc.
>
> Start at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Llangiwg/Ystalyfera/ and
> explore some of the links, or try http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
>
>
>
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>
> -
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Local knowledge of areas made me think of local knowledge in itself and one
of the weird experiences I have had whilst doing my family history.
The last time I was in Penygraig, Rhondda, I visited the street where my
grandparents lived and where I had visited and stayed. Three or four doors
down the street was the house where my maternal grandmother's parents had
lived. We stopped outside this house and I was about to knock on the door
to ask permission to take a photograph when a car drew up and a younger lady
got out and went to the door. The door opened to a lady aged about 85-90,
and they turned to me as it was obvious I was there to speak to them.
I asked if we could take a photograph of their house, explaining who my
grandmother's parents were. The elderly lady said at once, 'Yes, I
remember, and their daughter Cassie Jones lived up the street. That was
such a dreadful way for them to die wasn't it? They should never have moved
from here.'
I was stunned. It had been over 70 years since my dearly loved grandparents
had died in a terrible fire at their new home, months after they had left
the street we now stood in.
Jill
-----Original Message-----
From: glamorgan-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Gareth Hicks
Sent: 20 October 2013 11:00
To: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [GLA] Local knowledge of an area
Just to mention that my Cwmgors a'r Waun site has a lot of content on
Pontardawe and surrounding villages.
Link below my name
Gareth Hicks
Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/
Gareth's Help Page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html
Cwmgors a'r Waun
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Jill Muir
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:27 AM
To: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [GLA] Local knowledge of an area
> Llanguicke was a very extensive area which included areas which became
better known in later years as Pontardawe, Ystalyfera, Ynysmeudwy
snip
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Gareth, I should have acknowledged your pages of course, as I had just
trawled trough them 40 mins prior to writing my message.
Your site was a great help, as I can see that Martin's idea is too, but I am
much older and still find comfort in speaking to people about places and
people.
Jill
-----Original Message-----
From: glamorgan-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Gareth Hicks
Sent: 20 October 2013 11:00
To: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [GLA] Local knowledge of an area
Just to mention that my Cwmgors a'r Waun site has a lot of content on
Pontardawe and surrounding villages.
Link below my name
Gareth Hicks
Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/
Gareth's Help Page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html
Cwmgors a'r Waun
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Jill Muir
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:27 AM
To: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [GLA] Local knowledge of an area
> Llanguicke was a very extensive area which included areas which became
better known in later years as Pontardawe, Ystalyfera, Ynysmeudwy
snip
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I wonder if anyone could help?
The Friends of Margam Park have started a project about Margam during the
Great War in preparation for the 100th anniversary of the war in 2014.
I would like to hear from anyone who had family from Margam during the
Great War. Of particular interest are the servicemen, not just those who
were killed but those who served and came back.
many thanks Andrew Vollans
On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 09:11:46 +0100, Tessa Kirk <tessakirk(a)btopenworld.com>
wrote:
> Hello. Does anyone know of this school or where the records may be held?
> It was at--
> 118 Cathedral Road , Cardiff
Hi Tessa,
Kelly's Directory of South Wales for 1923 shows that Mrs. Ethel S. POWELL,
girls' school, was at 118 Cathedral Road, Cardiff.
Josephine
Hi Ian
This is always a tricky one because there MAY be occasions when you ONLY
want to respond to the sender, not to the list, and you have to work out the
address of the sender, which isn't always apparent, especially when using
various forms of webmail. One way forward is to hit 'Reply to All' (as I
think you use Outlook Express) - this will then try and send to the list as
well as the sender, and you can delete whichever you don't want.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: glamorgan-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Ian Graham
Incidentally, could not messages from the list be reconfigured somehow so
that they (functionally) come from the list and not from the poster ? Ie so
that we could just click on 'reply' to add to a thread ?
I am an 'incomer' to Ystalyfera, but deeply interested in the history of the
upper Tawe Valley, and also involved with the local Heritage Society. I
would be happy to try to respond to specific queries about locations, either
directly or by finding answers from others.
The problem in this case, I think, is that so far there has been no
information (maybe there is none) as to where in Llangiwg parish the girls
might have been born. By the time of their birth, both Ponatardawe and
Ystalyfera were well-established.
Incidentally, could not messages from the list be reconfigured somehow so
that they (functionally) come from the list and not from the poster ? Ie so
that we could just click on 'reply' to add to a thread ?
Sincerely
Ian G
Pant-teg, Y'fera
From: "Jill Muir" <jill(a)shottle.plus.com>
To: <glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:27 AM
Subject: [GLA] Local knowledge of an area
>> Llanguicke was a very extensive area which included areas which became
> better known in later years as Pontardawe, Ystalyfera, Ynysmeudwy
>
> Nothing can compare to local knowledge of an area. I have hunted through
> maps, stayed at and driven around the Cilybebyll area. I have visited
> Pontardawe, Ystalyfera, Ynysmeudwy, all places where my family lived, and
> still I hadn't quite appreciated where exactly I was, possibly because of
> the various place names. I have found it so confusing in chasing my JONES
> family, that I have almost given in several times, as I thought I was
> losing
> the plot! ;-)) This description of Jeff's is so very helpful.
>
> Is it possible from Jeff and others, that we could have local descriptive
> details of where places are. Although I was born and brought up in Wales,
> it was during the war and just afterwards, so I hardly entered the Swansea
> valleys. I do know reasonably well the Merthyr and lower Rhondda valleys
> though.
>
> My best wishes, Jill
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: glamorgan-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
> [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com]
> On Behalf Of Robert Alun Chick
> Sent: 17 October 2013 20:43
> To: Adrian
> Cc: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [GLA] 1881 CENSUS LLANWONO
>
>
> From: "Jeff Coleman" <jeff.coleman(a)ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [GLA] Ystalyfera/Llanguicke
> Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:27:26 -0000
> References: <1e.3bdbe280.2f080aa8(a)aol.com>
>
>
> Hello Anna
>
> Llanguicke (also known as Llangiwg) was one of the very ancient parishes
> into which Glamorgan was divided, on the west bank of the river Tawe,
> opposite Cilybebyll on the east bank. Llanguicke was a very extensive area
> which included areas which became better known in later years as
> Pontardawe,
> Ystalyfera, Ynysmeudwy etc.
>
> Start at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Llangiwg/Ystalyfera/ and
> explore some of the links, or try http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
>
>
>
> --
>
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> -
> A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be
> found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/
>
> -
> The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html
>
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The thread started from the notion of 'labourer'. I think that when we look
back at the pre-modern rural economies, we tend to see the low economic
status that 'labourer' implies, and fail to recognise just how skilled these
men and women were - and, what's more, the skills each day required would
vary across the cycle of the year.
There's maybe an echo of the same sort of thing in the tradesman/labourer
partnership in the building industries in the more recent past - the
tradesman was undoubtedly no 1, but a good partnership would be defined by
what he didn't need to tell his 'labrador'.
Ian G.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jill Muir" <jill.muir(a)shottle.plus.com>
> To: "'Ian Graham'" <idgraham(a)btinternet.com>; <glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:59 PM
> Subject: RE: [GLA] Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales
>
>
>>
>> "an unskilled worker in a rural trade or craft."
>>
>> ???????????????????????/
>>
>> Why not Ian? ;-) Those men who helped by wheeling barrows, sweeping up,
>> carrying finished goods etc., etc.,
>>
>> Jill
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: glamorgan-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
>> [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com]
>> On Behalf Of Ian Graham
>> Sent: 19 October 2013 10:58
>> To: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: [GLA] Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales
>>
>> "an unskilled worker in a rural trade or craft."
>>
>> ???????????????????????/
>>
>> Ian G.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Ball" <john(a)jlb2011.co.uk>
>> To: <glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 10:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [GLA] Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire, Wales
>>
>>
>>> Lillian Palko <napalil(a)att.net> wrote:
>>> I may have found the baptism of my 2nd G Grandfather, David Edward
>>> Williams
>>> on 17 June 1821 show his father William Williams and Mother Margt
>>> Thomas.
>>> This is an independent chapel. Machynlleth Graig in Montgomeryshire.
>>> Can
>>> anyone tell me more about the area as far as industry? His father is
>>> listed
>>> as a laborer and I'd like to see if I can find out more about
>>> him....Thanks
>>> from across the pond.
>>> ============
>>>
>>> Dear Lillian,
>>>
>>> I've checked the baptism record you found (on Ancestry) but the given
>>> name
>>> is not 'David Edward', but simply 'David'. What evidence do you have
>>> that
>>> makes you think this is the individual you are seeking?
>>>
>>> Machynlleth is a rural market town rather than an industrial area, so a
>>> labourer is most likely to be a farm worker or an unskilled worker in a
>>> rural trade or craft.
>>> You'll find lots of information about Machynlleth on the GENUKI website:
>>> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MGY/Machynlleth/
>>>
>>> Capel y Graig (Graig Chapel) is situated in Heol Penyrallt (Penyrallt
>>> Street), Machynlleth. There is a description of the chapel on the
>>> Coflein
>>> database of the Royal Commission on Ancient and Historical Monuments of
>>> Wales:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/ngu7tfc
>>>
>>> As Machynlleth is in Montgomeryshire, you may get a more informed
>>> response
>>> to your queries on the Powys List rather than the Glamorgan List; send
>>> your
>>> 'subscribe' email to powys-request(a)rootsweb.com
>>>
>>> However, before spending too much time researching the David Williams
>>> baptised in 1821 in Machynlleth, I'd recommend that you review the
>>> reasons
>>> why you think this particular David Williams may be your ancestor.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> John
>>> --------------------
>>> John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK
>>> E-mail: john(a)jlb2011.co.uk
>>> Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk
>>> Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/
>>> Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/
>>>
>>> Joint Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society
>>> http://www.blfhs.co.uk/
>>> GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/
>>> Administrator - Powys RootsWeb mailing list
>>>
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>>> be
>>> found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/
>>>
>>> -
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>>
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>
Just to mention that my Cwmgors a'r Waun site has a lot of content on
Pontardawe and surrounding villages.
Link below my name
Gareth Hicks
Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/
Gareth's Help Page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html
Cwmgors a'r Waun
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Jill Muir
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:27 AM
To: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [GLA] Local knowledge of an area
> Llanguicke was a very extensive area which included areas which became
better known in later years as Pontardawe, Ystalyfera, Ynysmeudwy
snip
> Llanguicke was a very extensive area which included areas which became
better known in later years as Pontardawe, Ystalyfera, Ynysmeudwy
Nothing can compare to local knowledge of an area. I have hunted through
maps, stayed at and driven around the Cilybebyll area. I have visited
Pontardawe, Ystalyfera, Ynysmeudwy, all places where my family lived, and
still I hadn't quite appreciated where exactly I was, possibly because of
the various place names. I have found it so confusing in chasing my JONES
family, that I have almost given in several times, as I thought I was losing
the plot! ;-)) This description of Jeff's is so very helpful.
Is it possible from Jeff and others, that we could have local descriptive
details of where places are. Although I was born and brought up in Wales,
it was during the war and just afterwards, so I hardly entered the Swansea
valleys. I do know reasonably well the Merthyr and lower Rhondda valleys
though.
My best wishes, Jill
-----Original Message-----
From: glamorgan-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Alun Chick
Sent: 17 October 2013 20:43
To: Adrian
Cc: glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [GLA] 1881 CENSUS LLANWONO
From: "Jeff Coleman" <jeff.coleman(a)ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [GLA] Ystalyfera/Llanguicke
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:27:26 -0000
References: <1e.3bdbe280.2f080aa8(a)aol.com>
Hello Anna
Llanguicke (also known as Llangiwg) was one of the very ancient parishes
into which Glamorgan was divided, on the west bank of the river Tawe,
opposite Cilybebyll on the east bank. Llanguicke was a very extensive area
which included areas which became better known in later years as Pontardawe,
Ystalyfera, Ynysmeudwy etc.
Start at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Llangiwg/Ystalyfera/ and
explore some of the links, or try http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
Last year a distant cousin came over from New Zealand. We both descend
from rural Vale of Glamorgan families, and I had great pleasure in taking her
round the area over a weekend. We managed to visit many of her ancestral
locations and burials, mostly in out of the way places which she says she
would never have found on her own. It was exhausting but rewarding!
We originally 'found' each other on the Ancestral Villages web site, which
seems to have disappeared. And another cousin got in touch via this site.
Wendy