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Hi Carol,
Although there may be no parents, sometimes the witnesses are a clue as they
can be family members and sometimes you have to search sideways first before
you can go backwards. I always check original parish register films anyway
as I have found notes in the margins etc that are sometimes interesting, if
not helpful. If one or other aren't of the parish it may also be noted. All
these little things sometimes add up at some stage down the track.
Regards
Lyn
In Oz.
On 24/02/2012 4:21 PM, mona_sydd_yma(a)yahoo.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Will this be available on DVD? My ancestors were copper smelter men from the
> Swansea area.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mona
>
Sorry, no idea. Perhaps you could ask someone to record it for you and
send it - I assume you live outside the UK
--
Cheers
Peter
Oh the pain of it! I miss Time Team so much. We used to get it on
History International and I loved it <VBG> A report on it would be
nice <G>
Eliz
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Peter <peter.thomas(a)nidum.plus.com> wrote:
> A report in the South Wales Evening Post gives details of Time Team
> programme this weekend on Channel 4 (NOT S4C) about the copper industry
> in Swansea.
>
> The programme will be broadcast is on Sunday 26 Feb at 5:30 pm
>
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Does anyone know if the IGI Record from Family Search for a marriage might show names of the parents?
Looking for parents of William Henry and Margaret Bevan married 26 May 1834 Merthyr Tydfil. Thank you.
A report in the South Wales Evening Post gives details of Time Team
programme this weekend on Channel 4 (NOT S4C) about the copper industry
in Swansea.
The programme will be broadcast is on Sunday 26 Feb at 5:30 pm
I see there was a message to the list from an Alyson,with "No Subject"in the Subject Box.
She also sent me two messages to my E.Mail Address,which I didn't Open just in case they had any nasty stuff
inside?
I don't by the way open up anything sent to me with "No Subject" in the box.
Why don't people put in one? "subject"that is!
Ive had loads of stuff from Africa and other obscure places,saying Ive won a few million in a competition I HAVENT Entered in.
So those are just wiped straight away.
Cheers Graham.
From:- Graham WILLIAMS,of Canton,Cardiff.
Glamorgan F.H.S;#551.
The Glamorgan FHS new CD of "Bridgend Area/Valleys Cemeteries transcribed Grave Registers" will be launched at WDYTYA, Olympia Family History event this weekend (price £15 each) and will be on sale on the Glamorgan FHS stand (52-54). They will be on general sale shortly.
The CD contains 54,000 entries from Blaenogwr, Bridgend, Cornelly, Gelliron, Glynogwr, Laleston, Maesteg, Pencoed, Porthcawl, Pwll y Pant and Sarn cemeteries.
Rosemary Smith
Glamorgan FHS will be at Olympia this weekend - SOG Family History Fair tables 52-54 and 43.
We will be taking along GFHS publications, local history books, etc. There will also be our helpful advice table so, if you want to learn more about Glamorgan and your ancestors, please come along and visit us.
Rosemary Smith
Dear Christopher
I read the article and I'm not convinced. There's a crucial assumption:
...random mating in the part of the world under consideration. For
example, every person in Europe would have to have an equal chance of
marrying every other European of the opposite sex.
In the part of rural Carmarthenshire where much of my maternal line comes
from, the same families have married each other over and over again. As the
article concedes
...departures from randomness must push back somewhat the date of
Europeans' most recent common ancestor.
In my view, the word "somewhat" is something of an understatement, at least
as applied to rural populations. Arguments based on simple mathematical
models ignore the effect of cousin marriages in reducing the number of
ancestors of any individual. I would agree that among the social groups
that Camerons' ancestors inhabited, there might appear to be a closer
approximation to random mating, at least in that they found mates across a
much wider geographical area than did my ancestors, but even so the
expectation that people would marry within their own class makes their
mating pattern far from random also.
I await a mathematical model based on more realistic assumptions.
All the best
Anna
At 17:55 21/02/2012, Christopher Wright wrote:
On Feb 21, 2012, at 2:00 AM, glamorgan-request(a)rootsweb.com wrote:
>
> I also noticed David CAMERON's ancestory on one of the many sites
> out there.
> I am related to him on many other lines that others have researched.
> That is,If these are to be believed?
There's a really great article about common ancestors on-line at
<[1] http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2002/05/the-royal-we/
2497/>. The upshot is that the number of possible descendents of
people living in what is now the UK a thousand years ago exceeds the
number of people of more or less British descent by such a large
margin that (statistically) we of British descent must have one or
more common ancestors, if you take it back far enough. In fact there
is (must be) a living individual at some time who was the common
ancestor of us all. The 'Atlantic' article posits that the common
ancestor lived sometime in the 15th century
Proving the argument requires a detailed statistical analysis which
allows for people who died childless and catastrophes like the Black
Death and the endless wars, but the 'Atlantic' article is is pretty
good rundown.
> The closest ancestor to one American President to me however is an
> 8th;cousin six times removed.
> This was Franklin PEARCE the 14th;President.
Not to quibble, but that would be Franklin Pierce, not Pearce. My
Cornish grandfather, James Pearce, a descendant (allowing for a
couple of plausible leaps of faith) of Edward Longshanks, was a
stickler for the proper spelling. ;->
Christopher Wright
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half or so to be controlled by ourselves."
Nicolo Machiavelli
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References
1. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2002/05/the-royal-we/
2. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html
3. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/
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5. http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html
My Thanks to Christopher for putting me straight on the Spelling of PIERCE,Not PEARCE.
I must really look up my tree's rather relying on memory.
Yes,If everyone could go back to 1066,then you would probably find that one of your lines went back to William The Conqureror.
Even King Edward the first has been called the Grandfather of Europe!
Amongst David CAMERON's ancestors were William [of Toddington] de TRACY,[b.c;1133,died circa 1224.]
He was Prime Minister CAMERON's 24 x great,grandfather and my 23 x great,grandfather.
A bit closer to home......
Henry WOGAN of down Pembrokeshire way,who died about 1468/ 1475 was P.M; CAMERON's 17 x great Grandfather,and my
16 x.
Henry WOGAN's daughter Elsbeth WOGAN born about 1417 in Bucknell Powys,was the wife of Watkin VAUGHAN,[c.1400-1456]
These two were my ancestors.
Cheers Graham
From:- Graham WILLIAMS,of Canton,Cardiff.
Glamorgan F.H.S;#551.
At 05:15 PM 21/02/2012, Mary wrote:
>Larry and Graham,
>I never did learn the Welsh language unfortunately, but when I was
>very young <<<snip>>>
'Twas my grandparents who could speak the language, but after
settling in Australia it was sadly lost on the next generation - a
heritage we missed out on, but my aunt had her tongue around much of
it. God bless aunts! She also knew a lot about our forebears and
fortunately for me had old post-cards, letters and some certificates.
And grandfather's self-made violin 1870's now sits proudly in the
living room here.
Graham
Photos of: St Mary's Church, Llanbrynmair, MGY; St Afan's Church,
Llanfechan, BRE; Lady Llanover's Welsh Church, Abercarn, MON; St Luke's
Church, Abercarn, MON
Dear Listers,
In the past ten days I have added the following subjects to my 'Welsh
Churches and Chapels Collection':
St Mary's Church, Llanbrynmair (Llan), in the county of Montgomeryshire.
(Photography by Ellie Thomas)
St Afan's Church, Llanfechan (Llanafan Fechan), in the county of
Breconshire.
(Photography by Glenys Travis)
Lady Llanover's Welsh Church, Abercarn, in the county of Monmouthshire.
(Photography by John Ball)
St Luke's Church, Abercarn, in the county of Monmouthshire.
(Photography by Google StreetView and Andy Dolman)
This is a revision of an existing entry, rather than a new entry.
Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/ and scroll down the index to the
relevant Llanbrynmair, Llanfechan, and Abercarn links.
Kind regards,
John
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At 04:50 PM 21/02/2012, you wrote:
>If I understand the letter LL in Welsh is pronounced as an S. For
>example would that be the case with the name Llewellyn?
>
>Larry
Or is it more like a double f? or th? My aunt used to say, put your
tongue back and try......
Good fun trying LLangollen with an Australian accent!!!
Cheers
Graham
Melbourne
Oz
On Feb 21, 2012, at 2:00 AM, glamorgan-request(a)rootsweb.com wrote:
>
> I also noticed David CAMERON's ancestory on one of the many sites
> out there.
> I am related to him on many other lines that others have researched.
> That is,If these are to be believed?
There's a really great article about common ancestors on-line at
<http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2002/05/the-royal-we/
2497/>. The upshot is that the number of possible descendents of
people living in what is now the UK a thousand years ago exceeds the
number of people of more or less British descent by such a large
margin that (statistically) we of British descent must have one or
more common ancestors, if you take it back far enough. In fact there
is (must be) a living individual at some time who was the common
ancestor of us all. The 'Atlantic' article posits that the common
ancestor lived sometime in the 15th century
Proving the argument requires a detailed statistical analysis which
allows for people who died childless and catastrophes like the Black
Death and the endless wars, but the 'Atlantic' article is is pretty
good rundown.
> The closest ancestor to one American President to me however is an
> 8th;cousin six times removed.
> This was Franklin PEARCE the 14th;President.
Not to quibble, but that would be Franklin Pierce, not Pearce. My
Cornish grandfather, James Pearce, a descendant (allowing for a
couple of plausible leaps of faith) of Edward Longshanks, was a
stickler for the proper spelling. ;->
Christopher Wright
"…fortune is the arbiter of half the things we do, leaving the other
half or so to be controlled by ourselves."
Nicolo Machiavelli
Why do people say how something should be pronounced when they simply
don't know the answer? The LL sound is nothing at all like an S.
1. It can be roughly approximated by using the English TH sound,
immediately followed by an L sound (the TH should be as in the word
"thing" and not the word "the,"). That would not be quite right but
it gives you an idea of the target.
2. A closer approximation can be achieved by making a TH sound (as in
the word "thing") but making sure that the tip of your tongue stays
just behind your front teeth instead of protruding between your upper
and lower front teeth.
Roy
I suggest that you listen to the sounds on John Ball's web site at
http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/sounds/index.htm
I think the training given to newsreaders and politicians from England who
really struggle is to start with saying 'cl' and gradually lose the 'c' part
of the sound.
In the case of Llewellyn the first double-l is pronounced in the Welsh way,
but the second double-l in the English way. (Don't ask me why). Shakespeare
did his best by calling his stereotypical Welshman Fluellen.
Jeff
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Subject: [GLA] Welsh LL pronunciation
> If I understand the letter LL in Welsh is pronounced as an S. For
> example would that be the case with the name Llewellyn?
>
> Larry
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