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Mary
The numbers refer to fields. These numbers would probably be consistent
across maps for a number of years. I do not know whether they refer back to
fields shown on the Tithe Commutation maps of around 1840.
[Legal documents about land tenancy or sale, or mineral rights below land,
might refer to 'the parcel of land marked 969 on the map' for example.]
Gwawr is a Welsh noun meaning Dawn. It is possible that it was also the name
of a particular stream, and hence stream valley. The existence of an
Abergwawr Street in Aberdare suggests that this is likely, as Aber is used
to mean the confluence of a stream or river with a larger body of water - so
Abercynon is where the river Cynon flows into the river Taff, and Abertawe
(Swansea) is where the river Tawe flows into the arm of the sea known as the
Bristol Channel, which can be seen as part of the estuary of the river
Severn.
Hence Abergwawr would be the place where a stream called the Gwawr flows
into the river Cynon. The modern map shown on www.old-maps.co.uk if you put
in a postcode from Blaengwawr shows the Nant Gwawr, or Gwawr stream.
The stream runs roughly west to east down into the Cynon valley ( or WSW to
ENE) so it would be well lit at dawn in the summer months, but become
shadowed as the day progressed.
The chapel is shown on the 1868-1890 1:2500 map as Ynys-lwyd chl. (Gen.
Bap.)
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Aberdare/Chapels.html shows that
Ynyslwyd or Ynysllwyd(= 'grey island') Baptist chapel in Cardiff
Road/Sunnybank Street Aberaman was built in 1862, still in use 1994
Gwawr Baptist Chapel was in Regent Street, Aberaman , built 1848/49 and
appears to have records preserved at Glamorgan Record Office, though
clicking on the link shows only Marriages from 1970-1976 held there.
Old-maps shows only one Baptist chapel on Regent Street, Aberaman, near the
northern end of the street,around number 10, and seems to name it as
Parheudar, though in later maps it is simply shown as a Baptist Chapel. It
is not easy to tell, but in Google maps satellite view it appears that the
site of the chapel is now occupied by a block of three houses set back from
the road. [ I suspect that Parheudar means something along the lines of
Endurance or Perseverance, but people on the list may correct me.]
There are several people in the Cynon valley branch of Glamorgan Family
History Society who know a lot about local chapels.
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary JR Gilchrist" <mjrg(a)southslope.net>
To: <GLAMORGAN(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 9:16 PM
Subject: [GLA] Map of Blaengwawr Colliery area Aberdare
>
>
> Looking at the map on the following web site, I have some questions:
>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/thereggy/2285147357/sizes/l/in/photostream/
>
> First, can anyone tell me what the numbers in the 800 and 900 series that
> are placed all around the map might mean?
> Other sections of maps have numbers in different magnitudes so I guess it
> may be a feature of Ordnance Survey mapping?
>
>
> Second. I find a number of maps that list places with the word Gwawr in
> them and presume that it has an original Welsh meaning?
> What is the meaning and the pronunciation, please?
> It has also apparently been co-opted for use in industry.
> The Blaengwawr Colliery is shown prominently on the map which comes up on
> the web site url listed above.
> In the vicinity on other maps are the words Rho(^)s Gwawr and Gwawr Nant.
> The latter seem to identify topological features as there is no building
> or street evident.
> My glossary of Welsh place names indicates that nant is a small river or
> valley associated with one.
> Rho(^)s seems to be a moor or promontory.
> Blaen appears to be a highland or source of a river.
> That leaves the meaning of Gwawr unidentified.
>
> I am looking for the Gwawr Baptist Chapel and in so doing have noticed all
> these other Gwawr nomenclatures.
> Along Sunnybank street off Cardiff Road in the south end of Aberdare I
> find a "Ynys-c(or t)w(^)yd Ch. (Gen Bap)" wording identifying a building.
> Would this be Gwawr Baptist Chapel? Is it still standing and serving its
> original purpose?
> Are any of the records of the Gwawr Baptist Chapel extant as far back as
> the mid 19th century?
>
> Finally, I visited the BBC Coal House web site
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/coalhouse/sites/regions/
>
> and found their mapping of collieries, including memories and photos, to
> be quite evocative.
> Located in the USA, we did not have access to the Coal House broadcasts,
> as far as I know.
> Are they archived? I see BBC shop sells two DVD's of Coal House series
> from the 1920's and 1940's.
>
> Thanks for any and all help.
> Mary
>
>
>
>
Hi Allan ,
Welcome to the list ,do you have any other information
on Mary Ann and David ,or census . I have found a couple who might fit ,but there are a lot of Mary MORGAN's .
Lynne.
Hello all
I would appreciate any information on the family of Mary Ann MORGAN, wife of David Morgan, 18 Illtud St, Treorchy. She died Jan. 11th 1918 aged 61 years.
Thanks, in anticipation, this being my first venture into GLAMroots.
Allan Jenkins
Hi Sheila, Not much help I am afraid, except to say from your details given
at the beginning of your message I found exactly the same as you did. I
assume you have the images?
I wouldn't be concerned about the change in occupation. People did this
often, and you will always find this in the census.
Kind regards,
Jill
http://www.kingston-bagpuize.com
- an online history of Kingston Bagpuize & area.
-----Original Message-----
From: glamorgan-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Sheila Alderson
Sent: 24 September 2010 16:12
To: GLAMORGAN(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [GLA] WILLIAMS Problem
Can anyone help with my WILLIAMS problem?
I have two sisters
Harriet THORNTON b. circa 1823 who married William Robertson WILLIAMS in
1845 (in Merthyr Tydfil) and Caroline THORNTON b. circa 1829 who married
George WILLIAMS in 1850 (in Swansea). Both WILLIAMS gave their occupation
as 'Smith' on their marriage certificates. I don't know if they were
brothers or even related at all? I've been trying to find them on the 1851
census and may have come up with the correct families BUT their occupations
are now 'iron roller' and 'dock labourer' and Harriet was born in Birmingham
and Caroline in Minehead. To check these details I've tried looking in the
later census years but cannot find them living together, so either of the
partners may have died, but so many WILLIAMS died in this area it is
impossible to verify.
I'm trying to ascertain whether I've found the correct THORNTON line. Their
parents James and Ann were married in 1814 and I think their first daughter,
Mary, was born in 1815 in Swansea. In 1841 census the family are living in
Swansea with 7 other children (i.e. not Mary) and the only child not born in
the County was Harriet, the eldest of those seven. As there is such a big
gap between the birth of Mary (1815) and Harriet (1823) I wondered if the
family lived elsewhere, particularly as their father may have been a Mariner
when Mary was born. However, all the evidence so far indicates he had
various occupations, so am not sure if I've found one line of THORNTONS or
several.
The evidence I have to date is from marriage and death certificates, parish
registers and the Cambrian index.
Any help or suggestions gratefully received.
Many thanks
Sheila Alderson
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Can anyone help with my WILLIAMS problem?
I have two sisters
Harriet THORNTON b. circa 1823 who married William Robertson WILLIAMS in 1845 (in Merthyr Tydfil) and Caroline THORNTON b. circa 1829 who married George WILLIAMS in 1850 (in Swansea). Both WILLIAMS gave their occupation as 'Smith' on their marriage certificates. I don't know if they were brothers or even related at all? I've been trying to find them on the 1851 census and may have come up with the correct families BUT their occupations are now 'iron roller' and 'dock labourer' and Harriet was born in Birmingham and Caroline in Minehead. To check these details I've tried looking in the later census years but cannot find them living together, so either of the partners may have died, but so many WILLIAMS died in this area it is impossible to verify.
I'm trying to ascertain whether I've found the correct THORNTON line. Their parents James and Ann were married in 1814 and I think their first daughter, Mary, was born in 1815 in Swansea. In 1841 census the family are living in Swansea with 7 other children (i.e. not Mary) and the only child not born in the County was Harriet, the eldest of those seven. As there is such a big gap between the birth of Mary (1815) and Harriet (1823) I wondered if the family lived elsewhere, particularly as their father may have been a Mariner when Mary was born. However, all the evidence so far indicates he had various occupations, so am not sure if I've found one line of THORNTONS or several.
The evidence I have to date is from marriage and death certificates, parish registers and the Cambrian index.
Any help or suggestions gratefully received.
Many thanks
Sheila Alderson
Looking at the map on the following web site, I have some questions:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/thereggy/2285147357/sizes/l/in/photostream/
First, can anyone tell me what the numbers in the 800 and 900 series that are placed all around the map might mean?
Other sections of maps have numbers in different magnitudes so I guess it may be a feature of Ordnance Survey mapping?
Second. I find a number of maps that list places with the word Gwawr in them and presume that it has an original Welsh meaning?
What is the meaning and the pronunciation, please?
It has also apparently been co-opted for use in industry.
The Blaengwawr Colliery is shown prominently on the map which comes up on the web site url listed above.
In the vicinity on other maps are the words Rho(^)s Gwawr and Gwawr Nant.
The latter seem to identify topological features as there is no building or street evident.
My glossary of Welsh place names indicates that nant is a small river or valley associated with one.
Rho(^)s seems to be a moor or promontory.
Blaen appears to be a highland or source of a river.
That leaves the meaning of Gwawr unidentified.
I am looking for the Gwawr Baptist Chapel and in so doing have noticed all these other Gwawr nomenclatures.
Along Sunnybank street off Cardiff Road in the south end of Aberdare I find a "Ynys-c(or t)w(^)yd Ch. (Gen Bap)" wording identifying a building.
Would this be Gwawr Baptist Chapel? Is it still standing and serving its original purpose?
Are any of the records of the Gwawr Baptist Chapel extant as far back as the mid 19th century?
Finally, I visited the BBC Coal House web site
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/coalhouse/sites/regions/
and found their mapping of collieries, including memories and photos, to be quite evocative.
Located in the USA, we did not have access to the Coal House broadcasts, as far as I know.
Are they archived? I see BBC shop sells two DVD's of Coal House series from the 1920's and 1940's.
Thanks for any and all help.
Mary
Hi All, In a few weeks time I'll be coming over to Cardiff.
As so many have assisted me this year I thought I'd try and give a little back.
For those of you not in Glam. I'll gladly look up anything they require at the R.O. in Cardiff and copy any doc. that I might be able to.
Perhaps if you send me a message off list and I'll give exact details when I'll be able to do this.
I'd need details obv. and perhaps if you make sure you know the Church etc.
Regards, Kevin.
Hello Karen,
The Glamorgan Record Office has on its website
~MUNICIPAL CEMETERIES~
A Series of burial acts, commencing with an act of 1853 (16 and 17 Vict.
c.134), authorised the provision of burial grounds by local authorities.
These 'municipal cemeteries' were additional to the graveyards attached to
the parish churches and nonconformist chapels, many of which, particularly
in populous towns, had become full by the mid-nineteenth century.
HTH
Kind regards,
Jill
http://www.kingston-bagpuize.com
- an online history of Kingston Bagpuize & area.
-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of karen mabey
Sent: 21 September 2010 12:59
To: GLAMORGAN(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [GLA] cemeteries swansea
Hi
Just wondering were there cemeteries back in the 1850's or would people
of been buried in churchyards etc please?
Looking around the Llangyfelach area or Carmarthen Road.
Regards
Karen.
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Hi everyone
I'd be very grateful if someone could let me know what a colliery
repairer did (c1907 in Clydach Vale). I've trawled the internet, but not
managed to find a description.
I hope someone can help. Thanks very much.
Moni
Hi
Just wondering were there cemeteries back in the 1850's or would people
of been buried in churchyards etc please?
Looking around the Llangyfelach area or Carmarthen Road.
Regards
Karen.
Photos of: St David's Church, Llanddew, BRE
Dear Listers,
The latest subject to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection'
is:
The 13th century St David's Church at Llanddew, Breconshire (photography by
John Ball)
This extensive two-page feature also includes the nearby 14th century Bishop
Gower's Well, the ruins of the old Bishop's Palace, and its connection with
Geraldus Cambrensis (Gerald of Wales) who resided at Llanddew in the 12th
century.
Go to www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/churches/ and search the index for the
Llanddew link.
Kind regards,
John
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Hi John
Although streetview on Google maps gives an excellent view of Penuel and the adjoining cemetery in Penprysg Road, unfortunately the notice board is not clear. St David's church which is at the other end of the cemetery does not appear to have a notice board.
You could try writing to the following address, which I obtained from a newsletter published by Pencoed Town Council:
Pencoed Town Council, Unit 6, Verlands Court, Verlands Way, Pencoed, CF35 6JA
Regards
Richard Gwynn
Swansea
Glam FHS 8154
-----Original Message-----
From: John [mailto:thomasgen@westnet.com.au]
Sent: 21 September 2010 01:31
To: Glamorgan List
Subject: [GLA] OT HELP Contact Penuel Baptist Church, Pencoed
Hi List
Many generations of my LEWIS family are buried in Penuel, Pencoed and I am trying to establish contact with that Church. Google searches have not provided this information.
Is there a member of this list who lives in or around Pencoed who could provide contact details to me?
Thankyou
John
Mandurah, Western Australia
Hi List
Many generations of my LEWIS family are buried in Penuel, Pencoed and I am
trying to establish contact with that Church. Google searches have not
provided this information.
Is there a member of this list who lives in or around Pencoed who could
provide contact details to me?
Thankyou
John
Mandurah, Western Australia
Hi Millie,
You have found what you need on Free BMD.
You have the registration office, for instance Pontypridd.
You now write to the office sending a stamped and self-addressed envelope.
In your case writing from abroad, you would order direct from the General
Register Office
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/Certificates.html
I hope this answers your question.
Kind regards,
Jill
http://www.kingston-bagpuize.com
- an online history of Kingston Bagpuize & area.
My thanks to Dai JONES for the lookups in Yorkshire for the above in 1841 & 1851.
Cheers,Graham.
From:- Graham WILLIAMS,of Canton,Cardiff.
Glamorgan F.H.S;#551.
Greetings from Cardiff.
This is for a workmate of mine.
We have an Amelia FARMERY born in the december quarter of 1850 at Howdon Yorkshire.
There was one by that name aged 0 in the 1851 census index.
Can some kind soul please find her for me,with hopefully some other family members,for the 1851 census?
She was also listed in the 1871 census aged 20,also at Howdon.
She Married to John DONALDSON at Howdon on christmas day 1876.
According to my pal,their son Robert DONALDSON was orn 31st;of January 1878 at Barnsley.Although I couldn't find them in 1881.
Maybe someone could?
The next generation finds them in Australia and New Zealand.
Which is our next line of research.
So if we have any kind people living Down Under who would be so kind to assist me in the next generation,That would be great.
Cheers Graham.
From:- Graham WILLIAMS,of Canton,Cardiff.
Glamorgan F.H.S;#551.
Hi. Information re: free bmd
I've been into Genuki. Little confusing for me . Do I just send an e-
mail to the office with my request?
Thanks
Millie
Millie Wolff
mwolff(a)sasktel.net
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/newport2.html shows that
Machen was in Newport registration district from 1837 to 1936.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Machen/ refers to the parish, which
stretched over the top of Mynydd Machen from the Rhymney valley to
Pontymister in the Ebbw Valley opposite Risca.
Incidentally I see from following the 'Maps covering the parish' links on
www.old-maps.co.uk that there is a new version of their mapping software
which looks very attractive (though I suspect it may be slow to update if
your internet connection is slow).
Jeff
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To: <glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 11:18 AM
Subject: [GLA] re 1901 Census
> Hi Millie,
>
> Edward James HARRIS and Elizabeth POWELL Mch qtr 1906 11a /278. Newport
> Monmouthshire,
>
> Lynne.
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