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Hi folks,
As an object lesson in not getting too hung up about occupations here is the
CV for my gg-grandma's brother Thomas Chatterton, Llantwit Major, 1816 - 1870,
based on census returns and parish records.
In 1841 he is listed as a farmer. In 1842 he was a butcher, then a farrier
for a few years before being listed as a veterinary surgeon from 1847 to 57.
After that he was a farmer again up til his death. The 1881 census shows his
widow farming.... 4 acres !
Reading between the lines it looks like he was a small-holder who made ends
meet by turning his hand to killing pigs, castrating horses and probably a spot
of poaching on the side :-)
Sounds a good bloke. His old man kept a pub in Llantwit - wouldn't mind a
pint and a yarn with that lot.
ta ra
Peter
Hi I like to thank ever one who have replyed to my requiest on the 98th
Foot, the info I have I recived of Huw ties in with the date when my 2x
grand father Antony was born I found this info at Cardiff record office.
Antony Warren born son of John and Maia abode Portsmouth private 98
Regerment 1 on 28/8/1836 Cardiff.
I have also found a death certifcate for John Warren died 10/12/1887 age
about 65 at 65 Hewell Street Cardiff.
I have also found a John Warren on the 1881 census for Cardiff but his wife
name was Elizabeth, I don't know if it the right John he might have lost his
fist wife Maria and married for the second time.
Regards viv
Hi List,
Further to Selwyn and Davids messages,
These Poor Hands by BL Coombes is available in paperback.
Published by the University of Wales Press,
October 30. 2002. ISBN. 0708315631.
Jan
Aberdeen.
I'm wondering if anyone can help me with a bit of
geography. Thanks to an old letter, I know that an
ancestor's brother was living with his daughter's
family for at least a brief period in the 1880s. There
aren't many details about the family so I'd like to
find them in the online census for 1881 or 1891 if
possible, but I haven't been able to find the district
where the address was reported.
Thanks to the letter, if my transcription is correct,
I know the family lived at 10 Mile End Row,
Melyncrythan Neath, Glamorganshire. The brother had
taken ill and was visiting from Pembrokeshire, and may
have died there or lived on for a number of years with
them. I've found Mile End Row, Melin Crythan on the
Old Maps web site and it appears to be a fairly
prominent area in the south end of Neath. Based on the
description of 1891 census districts, I thought it
might be located in Neath's 14th or 15th enumeration
district, but it appears I've only succeeded in
getting close.
I noticed, on the map, a line indicating the
parliamentary division for Neath, which appears to
exclude Mile End Row, so I wondered also if Mile End
Row might be located in a different registration
district entirely, such as Britons Ferry.
Would anyone be able to tell me which Registration
district and which enumeration district would contain
information on Mile End Row in Melin crythan, south
Neath? I would be grateful for being pointed in the
right direction.
Kevin Jenkins
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I hope listers don't mind me going on a little about coal mining, but I rediscovered a book I bought some time ago.
It is brilliantly written and very descriptive of coal mining in South Wales in the 20's and 30's of the last century.
"These poor hands" by B.L.Coombes.
Pub. by Victor Gollancz Ltd., 1939
I realise that they are hard to get, but well worth the effort. Coombes has written several other books.
cheers
Selwyn
A friend of mine is looking to put some 'meat on the bones' researching her
grandparents & ggrandparents. The only details I have are below.
Just a long shot but someone might be researching the same or have some
info.
Regards
John
There's lots of gaps but am now trying to find where my grandparents got
married. I have found them both on 1881 Census (CDs!!) and think they
married in 1902 (because I fancy I remember Granny telling me she was 25
when she got married):
My Grandparents shown on 1881 Census
Jesse WILCOX 4 yrs Born Ebbw Vale, Monmouth, England
Living at: 9 Pleasant View, Ebbw Vale with parents
One of 5 children
Census Place given as: Bedwelty, Monmouth, Wales
(Parents: Jesse Wilcox and Susannah Jordan - Found on CDs Marriage
details! Married 19 Dec 1864 Northwood, Staffordshire)
Hi Sue.I think you will find it is
"Bryncethin",and the parish is St;Brides Minor[not junior].So whom have you got from there then.
GIVE US A CLUE,AND WE SHALL SEE WHAT WE
CAN DO.
[A cousin of mine has Rosser,s from St;Brides Minor.]
TTFN;Graham.
Graham Williams of Canton,Cardiff.
Glam;FHS;#551.
More or less like English - but not quite.
Cheers Jill
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-----Original Message-----
From: BMThickett [mailto:BMThickett@tinyworld.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 6:26 PM
To: GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [GLA] Traditional naming patterns.
Could anyone please tell me if there was a traditional naming pattern for
Wales in 19th century.
I have a copy of the Scottish / English one, and also the Dutch one.
Would the Welsh one be the same?
Thanks,
Beryl.
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Purchase the 1841;1851;1861 census CDs & Llansamlet Parish Registers.
Also as fiche and booklets from the Glamorgan FHS
Try to obtain a copy of "The Merthyr Rising" by Gwyn A Williams, as it
gives a very good insight into the conditions that people worked in the
1830's.
You local library may be able get a copy via the inter-library loan scheme.
Wages in 1839 Merthyr were as follows:
Miners and colliers could earn around 24 shillings a week for a 12 hour
working day!
Furnace men 25-30 shillings a week
Puddlers 35 shillings a week
Skilled men could take home 50 -60 shillings a week.
The above wages were similar in 1810, but by 1839, costs had risen
dramatically! This is when the trouble started!
Work was fragmentary, men were paid by the piece, by a "long contract", a
months work, but fluctuations in the price of coal and steel played havoc
with the work force. What was common was the frequent short time work and
the uncertain outlook for the workers. How the women coped, I just do not
know!
Key ----- 20 shillings = £1 or 100 pence
These wages were about 5 to 6 times more than the current agricultural
wages! That is why there was a large exodus form the agricultural area of
Carmarthenshire and Cardiganshire etc.
I suggest that when you have moment, just check the birth place of the
residents of Merthyr as recorded on the 1881 Census.
People came from all over, West Wales, Ireland, Gloucester, Somerset and
Hereford etc. Every trade or skill was in high demand for a period of around
40 years, and then ........., it was the turn of Middlesbrough.
Adrian
p.s
You could check the books published by The University of Wales Press, they
use to have a series called "Studies in Welsh History"
http://www.uwp.co.uk/holding_frame.html
Vivian.. give the Staffordshire Regiment Museum a call.. here is the link
for the website
http://www.armymuseums.org.uk/amot-search/default.asp?Category=AMOT&Service=
Museum-Display&reference=0000000138
the reason i say this is that the 98th (Prince of Wales) regiment of foote
became known as the The Prince of Wales's (North Staffordshire Regiment) in
1881 when it merged with the 64th (2nd staffordshire) regiment of foot.
They may be able to help you find where the regiment was during your dates
in question..
also, i use www.regiments.org its a very helpful website indeed
Regards
Gareth
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From: "vivian edwards" <vivian.edwards(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 1:57 PM
Subject: [GLA] 98th Foot
> Hi thank you Andy Gareth and Michelle for your info on the question I ask
about the family going with the soldiers on tour of duty. I will have to
find where the 98th was station, I found that Antony was born in Cardiff it
give his father John Warren abode has Portsmouth, I have look on the census
for Portsmouth but could not find them.
> Regards Viv
>
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Hello list: I am looking for info re Wells & Bryant. I will tell you what I know and maybe someone can guide me in the right direction. Ellen Julia Bryant b. Dec. 25, 1884, Bath England father was William Bryant. Ellen married John Herbert Wells b. Nov. 14, 1881, Staffordshire. His father was Herbert Wells??
Both families moved to Bargoed, Wales where John & Ellen married in 1906. They had 7 children and in 1928 they moved to Nova Scotia. I'm interested in finding info re their parents, siblings etc. Any help will be appreciated.
Evelyn Wells, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia
hannahsfans(a)syd.eastlink.ca
> But I still can't explain why my Somerset ancestor moved to S. Wales to
become a miller around 1819 - not exactly a trade with a future!
>
> Anna
Hi Anna,
Actually - the reverse!
With the population of Glamorgan going through the roof - and an
overwhelming percentage being a working class requiring flour based products
as a major part of their diet, the traditional 'village' millers couldn't
cope with demand. Flour Milling technology had to change rapidly and took
advantage of steam power just as quickly as other industries.
Your ancestor made a wise business decision - and probably a very good
living.
By the mid 19thC, there were a large number of big flour mills in Glamorgan.
When I worked for RHM at the end of the 60's, their Barry Mills were amongst
the largest in Britain (probably closed now?)
David of Oz
Yes- if it is indeed Bryncethin -it is a village near the Ogmore and Garw
Valleys northish of Bridgend in Glamorganshire---the reason that I can be
sure is that I was bron and brought up in the Garw Valley and until recently
used to travel to Blaengarw from Aber and went through Bryncethin and its
neighbour Brynmenin
Ann D in Aberystwyth
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From: "Elsie Isaac" <elisaac(a)msn.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 4:52 PM
Subject: RE: [GLA] ROSSER residing in Brynhethin
Hi Sue,
According to MSN Mappoint, it is spelled Bryncethin, and is a village or
hamlet right on the NE edge of Bridgend. That's the best I can offer.
Someone else may be able to be more precise than I.
Elsie L Isaac
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From: "mike" <michaelsmith(a)plasnewton.freeserve.co.uk>
To: GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [GLA] ROSSER residing in Brynhethin
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:14:54 -0000
Hello all,
Helping a friend, his gt gt gtgrandparents marriage certificate shows their
residence as Brynethin, the m was in 1859, in the Parish Church, in St
Brides Junior, Bridgend. before they emigrated to Australia. Their names
were GLOVER and ROSSER, Can any one help please with the residence name,
was it a house or village.
Regards
Sue Smith from Chester
researching
ROSSER- Llansamlet.
LEWIS- Glamorgan
JONATHAN- Ystalyfera
COUSINS Devon to Glamorgan
SMITH- London (I gave up!! :-))
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Hi Sue,
According to MSN Mappoint, it is spelled Bryncethin, and is a village or
hamlet right on the NE edge of Bridgend. That's the best I can offer.
Someone else may be able to be more precise than I.
Elsie L Isaac
Bethlehem, PA USA
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Let's get the UK Census online to view for Free!
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From: "mike" <michaelsmith(a)plasnewton.freeserve.co.uk>
To: GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [GLA] ROSSER residing in Brynhethin
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 16:14:54 -0000
Hello all,
Helping a friend, his gt gt gtgrandparents marriage certificate shows their
residence as Brynethin, the m was in 1859, in the Parish Church, in St
Brides Junior, Bridgend. before they emigrated to Australia. Their names
were GLOVER and ROSSER, Can any one help please with the residence name,
was it a house or village.
Regards
Sue Smith from Chester
researching
ROSSER- Llansamlet.
LEWIS- Glamorgan
JONATHAN- Ystalyfera
COUSINS Devon to Glamorgan
SMITH- London (I gave up!! :-))
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 14:50:10 -0000
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Hello all,
Helping a friend, his gt gt gtgrandparents marriage certificate shows their residence as Brynethin, the m was in 1859, in the Parish Church, in St Brides Junior, Bridgend. before they emigrated to Australia. Their names were GLOVER and ROSSER, Can any one help please with the residence name, was it a house or village.
Regards
Sue Smith from Chester
researching
ROSSER- Llansamlet.
LEWIS- Glamorgan
JONATHAN- Ystalyfera
COUSINS Devon to Glamorgan
SMITH- London (I gave up!! :-))