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With the compliments of L & J
1901 census
128 TYNTILA ROAD YSTRADYFODWG RHONDDA.
RG5016 25 39
CHARLES EMMERSON HEAD
MARRIED AGE 48 COAL HEWER BORN CWMBRAN MON
ANN WIFE MARRIED AGE 50 BORN FARNBOROUGH SOMERSET
JOHN EMMERSON SON AGE 15 COAL HEWER BORN YSTRAD
RACHEL DAUGH SINGLE AGE 11
BORN YSTRAD
ANNIE DAUGH SINGLE AGE 7
BORN YSTRAD
WILLIAM KENDLEY STEPSON SINGLE AGE 24 HAULIER BELOW GROUND
BORN YSTRAD
LILLIE STEP DAUGH AGE 17
BORN YSTRAD
FLORIE STEPDAUGH AGE 10
BORN YSTRAD
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Hi again Maureen,
I am getting so much help from this list, it must be one of the best lists on Rootsweb, certainly one of the best I've ever been on.
if I do come across your LUKE, I will certainly be in touch .....would'nt that be strange.
Looking at all the info,( which I had to print out because I was getting in a muddle), It seems very likely that these are my Kendle's/y's, I just need to find out why Philip is listed as William's father, maybe John(Williams father) first name was philip.
Thanks again for your interest
Kind regards
Carroline
----- Original Message -----
From: MJen512444(a)aol.com
To: carroline(a)ntlworld.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [GLA] Kendle
Hello again Caroline,
I see you are getting lots of suggestions for Kendle etc., including it seems my offer of Kendall, which made me smile a bit. If you do get it off the ground and you come across a possible Luke Kendall amongst your branch, then I could possibly fill in some details from personal experience. Just from memory though, because I did some little research from census returns some years ago, I seem to think they might have come from Somerset, but I could check it out again. Still, I might still be barking up the wrong tree. Sorry if that is the case, but it would be funny if the family I know of did turn out to be a branch of yours. Coincidences are no novelty to me though.
Good hunting.
Maureen
still in the Rhondda, but a different valley now.
Hi Caroline, I haven't followed this thread fully but there seems some doubt
over the spelling.Could there have been an anglicization of the name either
by the family,enumerator or whoever. Mckendly doesn't seem to be Irish....I
googled it and I have found reference to a McKendly in the Hebrides or
Orkneys (I forget) in the early 1700's.It wouldn't be the first time the Mc
or an O' has been dropped.if this doesn't concern you then sorry for wasting
your time and mine:-) Kevin.
Hi Carroline
Without paying for sight of the images, all I can give you is the groups of
people who appear on the same census pages
This is on one page - so probably in one household
Kendley Florie 10 Glamorgan Ystrad Glamorganshire Ystradyfodwg
Kendley Lillie 17 Glamorgan Ystrad Glamorganshire Ystradyfodwg
Kendley Wm 24 Glamorgan Ystrad Glamorganshire Ystradyfodwg Haulier
Below Ground
Wm is not shown as either Head of Household or 'Son' so I don't know who
else was in the house with a different surname
This group is on another census page - which might be adjacent or might be
further away
Kendley Lily 3 Glam Ystrad Glamorganshire Ystradyfodwg
Kendley Eva 5 Glam Ystrad Glamorganshire Ystradyfodwg
Kendley Lucy 10 Glam Ystrad Glamorganshire Ystradyfodwg
Kendley Rose 16 Glam Ystrad Glamorganshire Ystradyfodwg
Kendley Annie 39 Yorks Guiseby Glamorganshire Ystradyfodwg
Kendley Wm 51 Bristol St Goerge Glamorganshire Ystradyfodwg Coal
Miner Hewer
Note that Wm senior is from Bristol, as was the John in 1881 who appears to
have been father of Esther, William, Florrie and Lillie. They may be
relatives.
http://www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ requires payment for images.
If you are also looking for other people in 1901 it would probably be worth
investing £5 for 6 images.
From FreeBMD you can find that the possible husbands of Esther Ann KENDLEY
were either called LEWIS or WYNN ( there being two marriages to each
reference number). I think I found the right Esther LEWIS. There is an
Esther of the right age in 1901 census, but not on the same page as either
KENDLEY family.
Lewis Esther 25 Glam Ystrad Rhondda Glamorganshire Ystradyfodwg
I hope this is of some help.
I think it will be worthwhile researching this family, even if the William
in question is not yours, in order have enough data to rule them out, or
conclude that they are yours.
If you do a search of FreeBMD ( which is very busy at the moment, but can be
searched with different search engine on
http://ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=5963 ) you find that the possible
wives for William John KENDLEY in September quarter 1903 are Baker, Lavinia
Emily or Hopkins, Tamar , the other of the two marrying Greenaway,
Christopher , the marriage recorded on the same page. There was a birth of
Kendley, Amelia in March quarter 1905 in Pontypridd district who may have
belonged to this couple.
If this was your William, then presumably his first wife died before 1912,
or he was a bigamist. FreeBMD doesn't have any matching death up to 1910 in
the records so far transcribed, so you may need to use
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/progress.shtml to decide which years to search
using microfiche or microfilm at a suitable FH research venue, or by payment
at 1837online.
Jeff
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Hi Joan,
I have searched just about every conceivable way of spelling Kendle, and have found nothing , so I am open to all suggestions ...... as long as they are not rude : )
I have come across some name changes in my research, so it is possible. It is my worst brick wall.
Thanks for your interest
Carroline
----- Original Message -----
From: K & J Vivian
To: carroline(a)ntlworld.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [GLA] Kendle
Hi Carroline
Have been watching this discussion on Kendle and haven't seen any mention of looking at perhaps Kendall - I know of a family by that name, but not sure where their roots are from, but with past experience, any spelling is worth a try.
Good luck.
Joan Vivian - Australia
On 30/12/2004 7:40:29 AM, carroline (carroline(a)ntlworld.com) wrote:
> Hi Barbara,
> Thankyou for your suggestions, I need to validate any info I get, so it's not cut and dried yet. it sounds good though.
> Thanks again
> Carroline
>
>
>
>
>
Hi Barbara,
Thankyou for your suggestions, I need to validate any info I get, so it's not cut and dried yet. it sounds good though.
Thanks again
Carroline
Hi Carroline,
I am pleased that you have had further details from others on the list, read those emails after I posted my last email to you.
Once again good luck
Regards Barbara
Hi,
I've had some wonderful help from Jeff, Barbara and Maureen about my
KENDLE
family,
I wonder if anyone has the 1901 census for Rhonda,Ystrad, and
could
possibly spare the time to look for my WILLIAM KENDLE/Y or McKENDLY bn
1877 Ystrad with
sisters Lillie and possibly Florrie (thanks to Jeff for that info )
I'll keep my fingers crossed..... and my toes!
Kind regards
> Carroline
>
>
Hi Ceri
Thankyou for looking, how strange.I have just found them on the 1891 census
as Mckendly, I wonder what they will come out as on the 1901 census, I
don't
have access to the welsh one, only some of the english ones.
This really does show how the names change dramatically in just 10 years, I
have had a good look at the original 1891 census and there is no doubt it
say's Mckendly, and that is a BIG BIG thankyou to you Ceri, if I can repay
anyone with lookups on the 1871/81/91 and some 1901 census I will be happy
to do so.
Kind regards
Carroline
Hi List
I wonder if any SKS that has any extra credits and could have a look for an Esther DAVIES or Esther RICHARDS b. Aberdare in 1866. (She should be in Neath in 1901)
I have details of her mother and children at 103 windsor rd, neath but she is not at that address, I believe she was married and was a RICHARDS but could also be down as a DAVIES(like in 1891)
cheers
michelle
We have found Ruperra Castle, in the civil parish of Llanvedow, in the town of Llanvedw, in the county of Monmouthshire, on Ancestry 1871, by typing in the family name of MORGAN and a birthplace we knew, Brighton.
The Homhes ( Hon..ble-Honorable) F.C.Morgan and his wife, Charlotte, were entertaining Viscomb (Viscount) Hereford and Visconertis (Vicountess) Hereford at the time. Naturally, a large number of servants were also at the Castle, although only about half the number who were looking after Lord Tredegar at Tredegar Park.
F.C. MORGAN was either the second son of the First Baron Tredegar, Lord Tredegar, according to material on the Ruperra Conservation Trust site, or his third son, according to his obit in the London Times in 1909. Eandka
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Is Merthyr a part of Merthyr Tydfil or is it a separate town? In looking
at the 1881 census for a relative who was born in Merthyr Tydfil, I can
find a likely candidate but he gives his birthplace as Merthyr,
Glamorgan. He is living in Merthyr Tydfil. I have looked on maps and
have searched for Merthyr but can't find one in Glamorgan. Or perhaps it
is just a shortening of Merthyr Tydfil?
Thanks for your help.
Lynn Brandvold
Socorro, New Mexico
Hi, Jeff: When you looked up this Castle on the 1851-61 censuses/indexes, was it listed in Llanfedw as it was in 1841, 1881, 1891? I cannot find Llanfedw/Llanvedw in 1871-can you tell me where to look? Lord Tredegar was in Tredegar Park in 1871 so a name search won't work. I found the glfhs piece numbers list online for 1891 where Llanfedw was listed under Cardiff, Newport district, sub district St. Woolas but that's a big area and might have changed between 1871-1891. Thanks for any help, Eandka
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As you say, Elaine, THOMAS is a common name. It's probably just a
coincidence that the two entries are both from the same district, but the
likely interpretation is that they are two different marriages. If you are
using FreeBMD, clicking on the page number should give you four names, two
bridegrooms and two brides. If neither of the names correspond to the bride
or groom you're looking for, it's probable that you're not on to the right
marriage.
However, the GRO Index is subject to frequent errors. (As a FreeBMD
transcriber, I've come across quite a few!) If I were you, I'd contact the
Register Office for Prestwich, and ask them to check both quarters for the
marriage, giving both names - the GRO page numbers are irrelevant.
Barry Johnson
Monmouthshire
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elaine Milward" <elainemilward(a)nyc.rr.com>
To: <GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 1:06 PM
Subject: FREE BMD RREGISTER
> Good Morning Listers,
>
> I have a question I hope you can help me with. While searching for
marriage certificate for James MILWARD and Margaret THOMAS, I find a
registration date for James in District Prestwich, Volume 8D, Page 488,
Quarter Dec 1884,
> Margaret I found the same district same volume, page is 519, date is June
1884.
>
> My question is could these be the couple I am looking for? Is it possible
that couple's registered at different times in different quarters?
>
> Any answers would be most appreciated, this is where I have a brick wall
trying to find my great grandparents marriage. THOMAS is a very common
name, by the way Margaret THOMAS was from wales.
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> Elaine
>
> ______________________________
Hi Robert,
We are searching for Mary Jane Vinnicombe, mother Maria, father William.
Mary Jane was born, Bridgwater area of Somerset. possibly, Bridewater, December
1875[info;from free BMD;]
Thanks for searching. She would be about 5.
Tommie
Hi Gordon
It is most unlikely that FreeBMD transcribers will know any more about the
entry. FreeBMD transcribers normally simply copy very carefully the contents
of the indexes that are at the FRC in London and available on microfilm and
microfiche in many FH research centres. The pages are allocated
systematically through 'syndicate co-ordinators' to ensure eventual total
coverage.
Anyone wishing to join FreeBMD as a volunteer will find a link on each
results page, and on the main page at http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
By the way, Gordon, there have been earlier postings on this list about
William Bedlington Kirkhouse. If they were not from you, it may be worth
your looking through the list archives at
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html
Have you found the KIRKHOUSE family in 1871 census yet?
Jeff
>>From Free BMD comes an 1870 birth record
> William Bedlington Kirkhouse Neath 11a 539
>
> I believe this is the son of my GG GF William Bedlington Kirkhouse born in
> Llanon Carmarthen in 1828
>
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Hi Robert,
I'm still searching high and low for your Vinnicombe. I started it as soon
as you posted it. Mary Jane I can not find. I've done a search for all Mary
Jane's with no last name. No luck. William Vinnicombe, there is about 900.
Thougth I got lucky when I found Minnie J. Vinnicombe, but she was 37 so that
wouldn't work.
The Grandkids from Knoxville have been here for the Hollydays, and most of my
time has been spent with them are feeding the mobs.
Living on the coast of Texas the last thing you would expect would be a white
Christmas, it nevers snows in South Texas, but we got up Christmas morning to
a blanket of snow, about six inches of it. I'm off high speed internet right
now but will try to track down those William Vinnicombe (Vinicombe) this
afternoon when I get back to the other house.
There was only two Maria Vinnicombe regardless of the spelling one was in
Cornwall and the other one was born there, if I remember correctly.
Happy New year
Tommie
Good Morning from New York!
I want to thank Barry, Nan, Gwynne, Helen and Barbara for answering my
question regarding the registers, You are fantastic! Now I understand it
more clearly. You just saved me a bunch of money. I ordered 2
certificate's just recently and they of cousre were the wrong ones. Now I
will search more carefully.
Thank you again, for taking the time to explain my question in such detail,
this list is the greatest
Elaine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nan Ramsey" <nan_ramsey(a)yahoo.com>
To: "Elaine Milward" <elainemilward(a)nyc.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [GLA] FREE BMD RREGISTER
> Hi Elaine,
>
> I don't think so. You may have found one of them, but I don't
> see how they could be in different quarters. IF (note the
> capital) the page number had been different but close, it is
> possible, but I don't see how they could be in different
> quarters. I have done a little transcribing for the Free BMD
> site. Because the transcriber works with an alphabetized list
> giving only one person in each couple, it is possible that
> he/she may have mistaken one of the numbers. For example, the
> fiche that I worked from was not very clear and I often had
> trouble telling a 5 from a 6. Sometimes 7 and 9 were difficult
> also. So if you found one person on page 452 and the other one
> on 462, but everything else matched, it could be the right
> couple. The difference would be that one transcriber decided
> that the middle digit was a 5 and the other decided it was a 6.
> We do have the option of putting in that it may be either a 5 or
> a 6, and I did if I was not sure, but some of those numbers are
> very hard to read.
>
> If the quarters you need are not completed, the other person in
> the couple may not be listed on the site at this time. If you
> ask nicely, you may find someone on the list who is willing to
> look for your Margaret Thomas in the same quarter that you found
> James, or the other way a round. What you can do to see if that
> part of the fiche is on the site is this. Do a search for each
> surname in both quarters. If there are people by both surnames
> with first names both before and after Margaret and James then
> the chances are that the surname has been completed. A popular
> name like Thomas (well any surname really) may end one fiche and
> start another. The person who has the first fiche may not have
> reached the end yet. It that case there would be no Ann,
> Caroline, or any name in the first part of the alphabet. The
> following fiche may not have been assigned yet, it that case
> there wouldn't be any William listings.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Nan
> --- Elaine Milward <elainemilward(a)nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Good Morning Listers,
>>
>> I have a question I hope you can help me with. While
>> searching for marriage certificate for James MILWARD and
>> Margaret THOMAS, I find a registration date for James in
>> District Prestwich, Volume 8D, Page 488, Quarter Dec 1884,
>> Margaret I found the same district same volume, page is 519,
>> date is June 1884.
>>
>> My question is could these be the couple I am looking for? Is
>> it possible that couple's registered at different times in
>> different quarters?
>>
>> Any answers would be most appreciated, this is where I have a
>> brick wall trying to find my great grandparents marriage.
>> THOMAS is a very common name, by the way Margaret THOMAS was
>> from wales.
>>
>> Happy New Year!
>>
>> Elaine
>>
>>
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Hi Jeff,
thankyou so much for your reply,you have certainly come up with a lot more
than I have, I've been looking for two years for this Kendle family, WILLIAM
was a Haulier (below ground) his father was called Philip, he was deceased
at the time of WILLIAM's marriage in 1912.
I have been through 1250 William Kendle's on the 1881 LDS census and the
Ancestry 1881,1891and 1901 census, but found nothing, I don't think the
Ancestry census are complete. Maybe SKS on this list could look on the 1901
census for the family, I don't even know the mothers name.
If nothing more is found, I would just like to say a BIG BIG thankyou to
you.
Kind regards
Carroline
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Coleman" <jeff.coleman(a)ntlworld.com>
To: "carroline" <carroline(a)ntlworld.com>; <GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [GLA] kendle
> Hi Carroline
>
> Given that I found a William KENDLEY in 1901 in the Rhondda area, with
> Lillie 17 and Florrie 10, in a household where he was not Head or Son, the
> following may match - from FreeBMD
>
> Births Mar 1877
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Kendley William John Pontypridd 11a 437
>
>
> Births Jun 1883
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Kendley Lily Pontypridd 11a 454
>
>
> Births Sep 1890
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Kendley Florrie Pontypridd 11a 552
>
>
> Deaths Sep 1895
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Kendley John 44 Pontypridd 11a 306
>
>
> Marriages Jun 1897
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Kendley Esther Ann Pontypridd 11a 866
>
>
> Now whether they are the family you are after, or not, may be a different
> matter. Your William wasn't a widower, was he?
>
> Marriages Jun 1903
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Kendley Lily Pontypridd 11a 943
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Marriages Sep 1903
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> KENDLEY William John Pontypridd 11a 873
>
>
> Marriages Dec 1908
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> KENDLEY Florrie Pontypridd 11a 937
>
>
> Maybe really barking up the wrong tree!
>
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "carroline" <carroline(a)ntlworld.com>
> To: <GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:41 PM
> Subject: [GLA] kendle
>
>
> > Hi,
> > I am new to the list, and was wondering if anybody is researching
William
> > Kendle, son of Philip Kendle.
> > William was living in Porth, Nr Pontypridd and was born aprox 1878 not
> > sure
> > where, he married Elizabeth Mary Woods in 1912, who was born in porth
and
> > came from a big family of woods,
> > I am having great difficulty tracking him down, Idealy I need to look at
> > the
> > electoral roll for him to see where he was born, it does'nt say where on
> > his
> > marriage certificate.
> > Can anyone help me please
> > kind regards
> > Carroline
> >
> >
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My g. grandmother, Sarah Jane Charles, born Ballarat, Australia, daughter of John Charles, married George Henry Richards born Pembrokeshire, in Pontypridd around 1895. Can anybody find out the date for me, please. I am struggling to find George Richards prior to the marriage, and would like to know where he came from, and when he moved to Pontypridd.
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Hi Carroline
Given that I found a William KENDLEY in 1901 in the Rhondda area, with
Lillie 17 and Florrie 10, in a household where he was not Head or Son, the
following may match - from FreeBMD
Births Mar 1877
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kendley William John Pontypridd 11a 437
Births Jun 1883
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kendley Lily Pontypridd 11a 454
Births Sep 1890
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kendley Florrie Pontypridd 11a 552
Deaths Sep 1895
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kendley John 44 Pontypridd 11a 306
Marriages Jun 1897
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kendley Esther Ann Pontypridd 11a 866
Now whether they are the family you are after, or not, may be a different
matter. Your William wasn't a widower, was he?
Marriages Jun 1903
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kendley Lily Pontypridd 11a 943
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages Sep 1903
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
KENDLEY William John Pontypridd 11a 873
Marriages Dec 1908
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
KENDLEY Florrie Pontypridd 11a 937
Maybe really barking up the wrong tree!
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "carroline" <carroline(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 2:41 PM
Subject: [GLA] kendle
> Hi,
> I am new to the list, and was wondering if anybody is researching William
> Kendle, son of Philip Kendle.
> William was living in Porth, Nr Pontypridd and was born aprox 1878 not
> sure
> where, he married Elizabeth Mary Woods in 1912, who was born in porth and
> came from a big family of woods,
> I am having great difficulty tracking him down, Idealy I need to look at
> the
> electoral roll for him to see where he was born, it does'nt say where on
> his
> marriage certificate.
> Can anyone help me please
> kind regards
> Carroline
>
>
> ==== GLAMORGAN Mailing List ====
> E-mail etiquette pays dividends! Put SURNAMES in the Subject line and
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> Only repeat as much of an earlier message as clarity requires.
>
>
>
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