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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marilyn Cathers" <mcathers(a)icehouse.net>
To: <GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 8:53 PM
Subject: [GLA] Ann Bevan born 1840
> Hello again list, I have some questions about the birth of Ann Bevan and
her
> mother's maiden name. I am trying to sort this out and decide if indeed
> this is the correct birth certificate that I received from Swansea.
>
> Acording to her death certificate, my g g grandmother Ann Bevan was born
> July 28,1840. Her death certificate also states her mother's maiden name
as
> Ann Williams. This information was given by her daughter.
> I applied for a copy of her birth certificate. They could not find one
in
> Swansea area with a mothers name of Ann Williams but of a Mary Williams.
> This birth certificate states Ann born 1840 and her mother were born in
> Green Hill, Swansea. It also states her father, David Bevan, as a
> copperman. The certificate states Ann born 3rd of July 1840 and baptised
12
> Aug 1840.
> I asked the place I ordered from to check for certificates of an Ann Bevan
> born 28 July 1840 in Pennard with father David Bevan with mother's last
name
> of Phillip or Williams and this is what they found. The reason for
Phillips
> is below.
>
> The other information given me from Jeff Coleman and Graham Williams
states
> Ann 1840 was the daughter of David Bevan and Ann Phillips of Pennard. She
> married John Bevan 29 Dec 1859 at Pennard Parish and resided at High
Pennard
> daughter of David Bevan, labourer. This information all came from indexes
> and registers.
>
> There is lots of information here all pointing to Ann Phillips from
Pennard
> being the mother of Ann Bevan born 1840. Why then would I recieve this
> certificate of another Ann with a mother's name of Mary from a place
called
> Green Hill area at a different time. Is it possible for someone on the
list
> to see if there actually is a certificate dated 28 July 1840 for Ann Bevan
> with a father of David Bevan and mother as Ann Phillips?
>
> Which information is correct? Is Green Hill far from Pennard?
About 6 to 8 miles at a guess. Greenhill an inner industrial suburb north of
Swansea centre in St John's parish, Pennard a rural clifftop parish in
Gower, south west of Swansea.
I have found that there are two different Ann(e) BE(A)VANs in 1841 and 1851
censuses- the one with David (copperman) and Mary in Brynmelin and
Llangyfelach St- the family is later in Trevivian (Neath Road) and Ann seems
to have married a William DAVIES (tentative only)
and the one in Southgate/High Pennard, with David (Ag lab or farmer) and
Ann, who married John BEVAN in Dec 1859 at Pennard Church and went to
California and popped back for the 1871 census.
Somehow I am fairly sure this is the wrong birth certificate. Whether the
Pennard Ann was ever registered in 1840, and whether her mother's maiden
name was Ann PHILLIPS or WILLIAMS is still an open question. She was
baptised 30 Aug 1840 at Pennard.
"This lookup was made using material published by Glamorgan Family History
Society, details of membership and their research service with a full list
of published indexes and transcriptions for sale can be seen on
http://www.glamfhs.org/ "
- and Familysearch - and FreeBMD
Jeff
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Hello Selwyn
Many thanks for the information on the Mill at Pandy. No mention of a Rees though, so I wonder how much truth there is in what I was told. My mother also said that penna or pennor was Welsh for flannel, and that is why he was called Rees Penna/Pennor?
I must try and get hold of a copy of The Rhondda Valley by E.D. Lewis.
Again my thanks,
Joyce
Many thanks to all those who have helped me in this search, both on and off-list.
I am delighted to report that a brick wall has been demolished thanks to all your kindnesses !
cheers
Sian Williams
Porthcawl
----- Original Message -----
From: BerkshireHound(a)aol.com
To: GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Cc: sian.anderson(a)ntlworld.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 7:07 AM
Subject: Re:[GLA] Llanbethian look up request
Sian,
Found four GROTHER baptisms in the Llanblethian Baptism Register for the children of William and Amy GROTHER.
They are:-
Name Baptised Abode
Anne 30 Sep 1855 LLANBLETHIAN
Margaret 5 Jul 1857 LLANBLETHIAN
Amy 16 Feb 1862 TRERHINGYLL
David 18 Sep 1864 TRERHINGYLL
Hope this helps
Terry Barlow
Milton Keynes
Hi
Does anyone have any knowledge of Llyfnor JONES born around 1900, not sure where but possibly in the Ferndale area ?
Regards
Bob Harris (Cheltenham)
Bob.june(a)btopenworld.com
Researching:
HATHAWAY - Cotswolds, Cheltenham and Wales
HARRIS - Evesham (Offenham)
GAPPER - Cheltenham
SHEPHERD - Stow on the Wold, Oxfordshire
MASON - Stow on the Wold
Forwarded for Dave, sent to wrong address......
Regards
H. Daniel
Listowner Thurlow, Ogmore Valley
Joint Listowner Glamorgan
huw.daniel(a)yesmate.com
I use Archive CD-Books to research my family history
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From: david jones [mailto:mrdavejones@hotmail.com]
Sent: 29 April 2003 09:45
To: GLAMORGAN-L-request(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Pontypridd Powderhall
My grandfather Jack Burgess won substantial amounts of money running in
the "Welsh Powderhall Handicap" at Pontypridd in the early 20th Century.
Does anybody know where we can find out more about this event, and even
the winners etc. so we can trace when Jack took part.
Dave Jones
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Throughout my childhood one of my father's favourite stories (and he had
many!) was how one of his Great Grandfathers died in the Morfa Pit
explosion of 1890. When I started researching my family tree (just before
my Father died) I started to look for truth in his stories. All had been
greatly exaggerated but I found evidence for all but two, one of them being
the Morfa mine story.
I soon ruled out a Great Grandfather dying and have been working through
brothers, cousins, uncles etc. Not easy with names like James, Jones,
Hopkin and Thomas! Just last week I eventually found a possible candidate
in a William James of Constant. He was a coal miner in 1882, and the 1891
census showed his wife as a widow with the youngest child aged 1. The
family were living in Inkerman Row. Hence a question to this list about the
location of Constant and Inkerman Row at this time (and thank you to all
who replied).
One respondant, Steve Dinham of Port Talbot, was interested enough in the
story to go and do some extra research on my behalf locally. He found that
the William James of Constant who died was 35 and the father of 9
children . My William James was also 35 and the father of 9 children. The
newspaper article that Steve found mentioned that although William' s body
had not been found, he was mentioned on the gravestone of his wife at the
Chapel of Ease. Steve then, very kindly, visited the Chapel of Ease, found
the grave and transcribed the inscription for me. The insciption does
indeed prove that William of Constant who died at Morfa was my Great
Grandfather's cousin.
I would really like to thank Steve for his efforts on my behalf and to let
everyone know that these brick walls can be demolished even when you are
researching such common names. I'd also like to thank Lynda Millward who
has been a tremendous help with my Dummer research. This list does work!
Just persevere!
Now all that I need to do is find out if there is any truth in the story
that Wil Hopkin , the bard of Llangynwydd, was also related somehow. As Wil
died without any known issue I am struggling a bit here! It also seems that
other families grew up with this legend and they too have been able to find
any proof either! Still, it's fun!
Happy Hunting
Helen
Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset
http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk
List Admin Rootsweb Eng Dorset & Scammell Lists, and
British Genealogy Eng-Dorset, Surnames & Forenames list
An interesting tale, Sue.
As the family story says it was his baby,
was he perhaps originally engaged to the child's Mother,
&/or did the Mother die having the baby?
Anne Scales
Genealogical Researcher (Glamorgan & Monmouthshire)
AncestralRoots(a)annescales.freeserve.co.uk
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael SMITH" <michaelsmith(a)plasnewton.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 4:40 PM
Subject: [GLA] Re: bundling
<snip>
the story is, my gt grandfather JONES was engaged to one of 3, LEWIS
sisters, but managed thanks to bundling, to have my grand father by
one of the other sisters, He married the sister he was engaged to,
and they brought my grandfather up as their own, and as a JONES.
Simple really, except I have been looking for Jones, but his birth
certificate would have been in his mothers name LEWIS as she was
unmarried.
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Hello List,
Thanks to all of you who have sent me emails regarding the Glamorgan
1861 Census CD.
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For those with ancestors in Gloucestershire, a new CD was launched on
the weekend. The Gloucestershire FHS Marriage Index covers the
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Hi Sue,
No, not confused, if you have heard about the practice.
I believe that there were also boat shaped wooden cupboards, with a bench
for two. The couple went inside and sat side by side, with a half door
covering the lower part of their bodies. Clothes as you say, were supposed
to be undisturbed but how could this be, as I think mostly it was to prove
that the girl could conceive - and the boy could father too. It now seems
weird but it is highly practicable and what our Welsh ancestors would have
known with their animals, so they applied to themselves. ;-))
I am now wondering about one of mine ;-)) - no actually, that was a tidying
up situation.
Girl gets pregnant, marries the father, but it looks untidy, a baby within 5
months of marriage. And so it is arranged that the girl's married sister,
who in this case, has no children, brings up the baby. Something my aunt
resented all her life, although she had a much more comfortable life than
she could have had with her siblings.
Cheers,
Jill
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Jill Muir, Oxfordshire, UK
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Joint List Administrator for the Glamorgan Mailing List
Mailing list for family & local history in Glamorgan
Glamorgan FHS member # 449
Hello List,
I have been rather busy off the List this month, and have managed to do
something that I have been promising myself for some time. I have put that
rather longwinded Welcome Message onto a web page and chopped down the one
that is sent out automatically.
There are still some revisions, but if you are new to the List and wish to
learn more about using this Mailing List, or if you are a Lister old-timer
and just want to take a look, I would be very happy if you would please do
so.
The site is at http://www.geocities.com/mailingsgla/
Cheers,
Jill
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jill Muir, Oxfordshire, UK
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Mailing list for family & local history in Glamorgan
Glamorgan FHS member # 449
Hello Mark, and every one else I confused,
Bundling was the art of courting, in bed, with a bolster between the couple, or the girl was tied in a sac, by her mother, clothing was supposed to stay in place. It was done not only in the country districts of Wales, but was found in other countries as well. There was a good article on it in one of the Glamorgan family history journals, and also, on this list a few months ago, some one put a pointer to an article on it.
Any way the story is, my gt grandfather JONES was engaged to one of 3, LEWIS sisters, but managed thanks to bundling, to have my grand father by one of the other sisters, He married the sister he was engaged to, and they brought my grandfather up as their own, and as a JONES. Simple really, except I have been looking for Jones, but his birth certificate would have been in his mothers name LEWIS as she was unmarried. I knew his date of birth and place, but could not trace a birth certificate for him in the name of Jones, I just presumed the birth hadn't been registered, and that he was hidden in a cupboard on census night.
Clear as mud? hope it is clearer now though.
Sue Smith
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Archer
To: Michael SMITH
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 3:21 AM
Subject: re: bundling
Sue,
I found this e-mail interesting, due to it's intracacies. Having never heard of the custom of bundling, I'm wondering if you would mind briefing me? Best,
Marc Archer in Michigan
Subject: [GLA] another wall comes tumbling down
> I thought I would never get to find out who my grandfathers family were, but thanks to a free cd from Archive cd books, when I bought another one, and thanks to Free b.m.d. His birth was registered, I was looking for JONES in Llandilo, he was LEWIS from Llandilo Fawr. It was that quaint old custom of bundling that caused it, as he admitted at the age of 81, .
> Any one interested in Ystalyfera, Ystradgynlaise, I have a photo of a town band, my gt grandfather is on it, so must be
> very roughly about 1880, would love to know more about it. willing to copy and send snail mail or as attachment.
> Sue Smith
> Searching, LEWIS'S, ROSSER, COUSINS, JONATHAN.
>
What a good idea and helpful too.
Thank you, Jill
Regards,
Nina Hart, Langley, B.C. Canada
GlamFHS#5501
WORSLEY,CHADWELL,MEIER-Middlesex/London
LEVER,CURTIS-Wales & UK; HART-Hertford/Northampton
HENDRY-Ireland/Scotland/Nfld Canada; SMITH-Nfld Canada
I transcribe for FreeBMD-http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
In a message dated 29-Apr-03 17:01:58 GMT Daylight Time, Tribobhes(a)aol.com
writes:
> Can anyone please tell me the name of the church, which I think is in
> Treharris on the left hand side of the road coming from Quakers
> Yard/Fiddlers
> Elbow.
Hi Tricia,
Do you mean St Mathias? that is the CofE parish church in Treharris
Andy
Some years ago my mother told me that my grandmother said she had a relation (Rees Pennor?) who had a Flannel Mill in Tonypandy.
Does anyone know anything about this Mill, please?
Joyce (Harris)
Nr Salisbury
Hi Everyone,
Can anyone please tell me the name of the church, which I think is in
Treharris on the left hand side of the road coming from Quakers Yard/Fiddlers
Elbow. If you also know when the first burials there would have taken place
I would be very grateful for the information.
Many thanks,
Tricia Heseltine,
Corfe Mullen, Dorset
Yes, another wall comes tumbling down. Got to share my excitement with someone.
I thought I would never get to find out who my grandfathers family were, but thanks to a free cd from Archive cd books, when I bought another one, and thanks to Free b.m.d. His birth was registered, I was looking for JONES in Llandilo, he was LEWIS from Llandilo Fawr. It was that quaint old custom of bundling that caused it, as he admitted at the age of 81, and that confession took some doing in 1958.
Have now managed to get him to JONES (after his change of name) in Ystalyfera. Hopefully now I will manage to confirm his fathers name when I get the birth certificate, and which of the 3 sisters was his real mother.
Keep searching is the answer, and never give up.
Mind you I thought before I started this, that the LEWIS name wasn't all that common, big mistake, think I am up to 5 LEWIS trees now.
>
Any one interested in Ystalyfera, Ystradgynlaise, I have a photo of a town band, my gt grandfather is on it, so must be
very roughly about 1880, would love to know more about it. willing to copy and send snail mail or as attachment.
Sue Smith
Searching, LEWIS'S, ROSSER, COUSINS, JONATHAN.