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Hi the list
Someone has asked me the best way to send lookup queries to volunteers whilst
On line..
I had to think about what I would recommend as the " best " way so here is my
non -tech answer in case there are others of you unsure about it.
In aol, this is what i do=
OFF line , prepare the question in my Word processor
Select and cut it to the clipboard
Go ON line to the lookup item, click on volunteer's name to open the email box
Fill in the subject line as that nice Gareth asked me to do :-)
Paste in the message and off she goes. Easy !
If you have several questions, prepare them all before hand in your word
processor, then switch between the Lookup page and your WP to select/cut/paste
each one seperately.
This method saves you having to think up the question whilst On line, with
the " clock ticking", bit like talking to an answering machine that !
Hope that helps someone out there
Hwyl
Gareth
South/West Wales Lookup Exchange
http://members.aol.com/FamChaplin/lookup.html
Hi Pam,
Yes, there is a charge, in 1994 (when I obtained my information) it was �16.75
- sorry all, I should have mentioned that. It may seem expensive but is worth
it if you are up against the proverbial brick wall, as I was. Also gives you
a chance of finding living relatives.
I sent my application in Oct 94 and received the information Nov 94. So allow
at least a month. I guess it would depend on how many applications they
received at a given time.
It would depend what time in March you will be in the UK - could be worth a
try, as long as you have someone at the address you are staying at who will
forward the response should it arrive after you have left.
I should mention that they will only disclose the details if the information
you supply agrees with that on the census return.
They will disclose Only the age, and place of birth, of those listed.
Enjoy your trip to the UK - I will be there in April.
Good hunting
Sheila
Hi All,
As this a Welsh mailing List though it would be appropriate to wish one
& all a very happy St. David's Day, and having celebrated our national Saint's
day, maybe that will 'gird our boys loins' for the forthcoming battle with
'men in skirts' from north of border:-))
regards
Huw
Glamlist Sponsor
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On 28-Feb-98, A. Neil Preston wrote:
->Isabel,
->I've been to Wales 7-8 times and still haven't made it to St. Fagan's! I've
->been told the blacksmith's shop there is the very one my Humphreys ancestors
->kept in Llawryglyn, Trefeglwys, MGY!
->Best,
->Julie Preston
->anpreston(a)msn.com
->-----Original Message-----
->From: Isabel Crowley <isabel_glam(a)watchmender.demon.co.uk>
->To: Glam FH Mail List <GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
->Date: Friday, February 27, 1998 10:09 AM
->Subject: St Fagans
Hi Julie,
There is a small write up of exhibit No. 15, 'the Smthy' Llawr-y-glyn,
Powys (built 18th Century) in the official guide for St. Fagans, but of more
interest to you is the fact that there is a handbook published about tha
Smithy deatils below....
"The llawr-y-glyn Smithy"
by J. Williams-Davies.
32 pages Illustrated
Available (in Welsh, English, German, Japanese and Dutch!) from St Fagans or
by post from.......
Musuem of Welsh Life
St. Fagans
Cardiff
CF5 6XB
Tel: 01222 569 441
regards
Huw
Glamlist sponsor
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On 28-Feb-98, Johngareth wrote:
->In a message dated 28/2/98 12:46:17 GMT, you write:
-><< Subj: Pentre Ested Chapel, Pontypridd
-> Date:28/2/98 12:46:17 GMT
-> From:Sqrtdee@aol.com (Sqrtdee)
-> Reply-to:GLAMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com
-> To:GLAMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com
->
-> In reading the Glamorgan sites, I have ascertained that Pentre can
translate
-> into Village. As I still have not found the Chapel referenced, could that
-> meaan that is is Ested Village near or in Pontypridd? Thx for help. DEE in
->MD
->################
->Hi Dee
->This may be no help at all to you but we do try on this mlist !
->The word Ested doesn't seem too Welsh to me, [Isabel ??]where does the
->reference come from ? Sorry, if i've missed any previous posting on the
->subject !
->The word estyll is the plural form of estyllen=planks. Sounds like a
sawmill
->nearby this village !
->Where's MD anyway ?
->Go on, tell us all what your email address is short for :-)
->Gareth
->South/West Wales Lookup Exchange
->http://members.aol.com/FamChaplin/lookup.html
Hi All,
May be another Red Herring but there is an "Ellted" which if memory
serves me right is part of the old name for "Llantwit Major", though I think
in itself "Ellted" is corrupted from "Illtud"
Regards
Huw
Glamlist Sponsor
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Isabel et al,
I've also heard that unless they were planning to sell anything of the
deceased, families would put off going through probate to avoid probate
tax -- I assume there would be some sort of fee, even for Letters of
Administration, as the estate had to be assessed by someone and that person
also received a fee.
Julie
anpreston(a)msn.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Johngareth <Johngareth(a)aol.com>
To: GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com <GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Friday, February 27, 1998 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Letters of Administration
>In a message dated 27/2/98 05:47:27 GMT, Isabel writes:
>
><< Subj: Letters of Administration
> Date: 27/2/98 05:47:27 GMT
> From: isabel_glam(a)watchmender.demon.co.uk (Isabel Crowley)
> Reply-to: GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> To: GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com (Glam FH Mail List)
>
> A GGG Grandfather died in 1849. Administration of his estate was
> granted to one of his sons in 1856. Can anyone suggest a reason why it
> became necessary to apply for letters of administration 7 years after
> his death. The "estate" didn't amount to much. The son signed a
> declaration that the value of his father's goods and chattels was less
> than �20.
>
> Isabel.
> ##################
>Hi Isabel
>May be a clue in the following, although it deals with wills , not admons,
may
> be a similarity.
>
>In "Family Tree detective", it talks about late proving of wills, reasons
for.
>One of these is " the will of a man leaving a life interest to his
surviving
> wife might have to be proved decades later when she died ".
>You will know if your GGG grandmother died c 1856 or not !
>
>Otherwise, again re wills not admons, an executor[ and an administrator
> presumably] had to be 21 to act , did the son become 21 in 1856 ?
>
>Or, what if there was a simmering dispute in the family over the division
of
> the estate which had to be resolved by the son applying for the admon to
> formalise matters ?
>But 7 years later ? Some simmering !
>
>But we Welsh have been known to carry on a fued for centuries , now about
your
> attitude to " the match".......................:-)
>Gareth
>
>
>
>
>
>
>______________________________
Isabel,
I've been to Wales 7-8 times and still haven't made it to St. Fagan's! I've
been told the blacksmith's shop there is the very one my Humphreys ancestors
kept in Llawryglyn, Trefeglwys, MGY!
Best,
Julie Preston
anpreston(a)msn.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Isabel Crowley <isabel_glam(a)watchmender.demon.co.uk>
To: Glam FH Mail List <GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Friday, February 27, 1998 10:09 AM
Subject: St Fagans
>This is an extract from a ggg grandfathers will in 1840.
>"...to my daughter Elizabeth, the chest and box of her dear mother which
>standeth now in my parlour and all the pewters which standeth now in my
>kitchen which her dear mother brought with her to me....to my son David,
>one bedstead, one pair bedcloaths, a meal chest, a dresser, a cupboard,
>a round table, a chair, two stools, the old cheese press and two large
>cheese..."
>
>I had enjoyed St Fagans museum in my youth but it was only after I got
>interested in my oldies that I really appreciated it. Standing in the
>reconstructed farmhouses and seeing all the things mentioned in the
>will, I could easily imagine my people living there. If anyone is
>visiting the Cardiff area, try to make time for St Fagans. It's well
>worth a detour.
>
>Isabel
>
>______________________________
Isabel,
In addition to the other replies you've received on the subject, try the
following sites: U.S. Vital Statistics Records (every state's holdings are
listed) at: http://www.inlink.com/~nomi/vitalrec/ and Cyndi's List at:
http://www.CyndisList.com/ .
Many genealogical/historical societies have compiled and published records
from a myriad of sources for the years before some of the states/counties
began keeping records of B/M/D. Cyndi's List should help you locate those
sites.
Early church records are sometimes available. My French-Canadian ancestors
were Catholic, and I've located their events from the diocesan records (many
filmed by the LDS), which pre-date the county/state records by more than 100
years in Detroit. Methodist and Baptist records are sometimes a bit more
difficult, as they were often part of a "circuit". Again, try the LDS
Locality File.
Also, postings on the ROOTS-L mailing list can prove helpful.
Best regards,
Julie Preston
anpreston(a)msn.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Isabel Crowley <isabel_glam(a)watchmender.demon.co.uk>
To: Glam FH Mail List <GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Friday, February 27, 1998 8:56 AM
Subject: USA records
>Can someone tell me about USA records of birth, marriage and death.
>When did they start and how are they accessed? Is there a central index
>like St Cath's? I have a sinking feeling that these are FAQ's that I
>should have been able to trawl about for myself. If so, I'll humbly
>accept a reprimand in place of an answer.
>
>Isabel.
>
>______________________________
Hi Glamsters,
Another useful piece of information, this time for anyone wishing to access
the UK 1901 census.
Whilst this census will not be available for public viewing until 2001, it is
possible to obtain information on specific individuals residing at a specific
address on proof of relationship.
The following will be required:
� Address to be searched
� Who you expect to find there
� Reason for the request (in our case �genealogical�)
� Relationship to the family
� Consent of occupants who are still living
� Assurances that the information will not be disclosed, or misused, to the
detriment of any person, and will not be used in litigation.
Details of intended publication of the data supplied.
To obtain an application form write to::
OPCS,
Smedley Hydro,
Trafalgar Road,
Birkdale,
Southport PR8 2HH
England
Hope this proves useful to you!
Sheila
California.
Welsh research: William Matthew Morris and his mother, Sarah Morris.
Hi Glamlisters,
Having seen inquires regarding US Vital Records, I thought some of our members
would like the following information:
The US government issues a �Free� publication: Vital Records Information US
Dept. Of Health and Human Services Publication No. (PHS) 82-1184.
To obtain a copy, write to:
U.S. Government Printing Office,
Superintendent of Documents,
Washington, DC 20204
Should make a useful addition to anyone�s library.
Good hunting
Sheila
Cath
Marriages started in Register Offices when Civil Registration began in
1837. My tribe continued using the parish church for their marriages
although they were all non conformists by this time. Most of the
chapels weren't allowed to perform marriages until about 1900. You
could get married in a chapel but the registrar had to be there. Not
many of mine, availed themselves of this opportunity. Perhaps they had
to pay a lot of money for the registrar to attend.
A gg aunt married in the RO in 1880. She said she was 21 but was only
18. I expect this was because she wouldn't have got her parents
consent. She seems to have been forgiven. She and her husband were
living with her parents in 1881.
My grandmother married in the RO in 1914. She had had some trivial
dispute with a deacon and never darkened the chapel doors again! This
was Grama not Gran.
My parents didn't marry in an RO but they did use a chapel in another
town. They were both terminally shy and didn't want a fuss.
Another reason might be that one of the pair was of a different
church/chapel and the RO was an acceptable neutral ground.
Isabel
In message <bsEHdLAzQw90EwBH(a)windyridge1.demon.co.uk>, Catherine Davies-
Shiel <Gunya(a)windyridge1.demon.co.uk> writes
>Hi All
>
>I have a marriage Certificate dated 1882 and the marriage service took
>place at the Registry in Cardiff
>
>Question
>
>When did Registry Offices take on the Marriage Service?
>
>Also, if this was rare, what would be the most likely reason for a
>marriage to be held there, when all the children were baptised at St
>Johns, Cardiff.
>
>I have a feeling that I should be looking somewhere, but a pointer may
>be very helpful.
>
>Thanks
>
>Cath
>--
>
Thanks for the suggestions, Gareth. I'll have to get that book.
GGG Uncle Evan was already 21 when his father died and GGG Grandmother
had gone before. It's probably the simmering dispute. There were
plenty of those. Our family must have calmed down a lot, because I am
not aware of any now. Pity you aren't my cousin. We could have started
a family feud about my alleged treason.
Isabel
In message <594865c3.34f73b7c(a)aol.com>, Johngareth <Johngareth(a)aol.com>
writes
>Hi Isabel
>May be a clue in the following, although it deals with wills , not admons, may
> be a similarity.
>
>In "Family Tree detective", it talks about late proving of wills, reasons for.
>One of these is " the will of a man leaving a life interest to his surviving
> wife might have to be proved decades later when she died ".
>You will know if your GGG grandmother died c 1856 or not !
>
>Otherwise, again re wills not admons, an executor[ and an administrator
> presumably] had to be 21 to act , did the son become 21 in 1856 ?
>
>Or, what if there was a simmering dispute in the family over the division of
> the estate which had to be resolved by the son applying for the admon to
> formalise matters ?
>But 7 years later ? Some simmering !
>
>But we Welsh have been known to carry on a fued for centuries , now about your
> attitude to " the match".......................:-)
>Gareth
>
>
>
>
>
>
In a message dated 28/2/98 12:46:17 GMT, you write:
<< Subj: Pentre Ested Chapel, Pontypridd
Date: 28/2/98 12:46:17 GMT
From: Sqrtdee(a)aol.com (Sqrtdee)
Reply-to: GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
In reading the Glamorgan sites, I have ascertained that Pentre can translate
into Village. As I still have not found the Chapel referenced, could that
meaan that is is Ested Village near or in Pontypridd? Thx for help. DEE in
MD
################
Hi Dee
This may be no help at all to you but we do try on this mlist !
In book "My Ancestors were Congregationalists" it lists under Glamorgan ;
" Pentre-Estyll, Siloam WI apply ch sec."
I can't find such a place on my map, perhaps someone else will know whether it
is anything at all to do with Pontypridd.
The word Ested doesn't seem too Welsh to me, [Isabel ??]where does the
reference come from ? Sorry, if i've missed any previous posting on the
subject !
The word estyll is the plural form of estyllen=planks. Sounds like a sawmill
nearby this village !
Where's MD anyway ?
Go on, tell us all what your email address is short for :-)
Gareth
South/West Wales Lookup Exchange
http://members.aol.com/FamChaplin/lookup.html
In a message dated 27/2/98 12:35:46 GMT, you write:
<< Subj: genealogical dictionary
Date: 27/2/98 12:35:46 GMT
From: Matrild(a)aol.com (Matrild)
Reply-to: GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Dear Glamlisters, I have found an excellent resource. It's a very extensive
dictionary of a wide variety of terms associated with genealogy.
Try it, you'll like it, at:
http://www.electriciti.com/~dotts/diction.html#DICT
Gareth, could you establish a link if you like it?
Tess
###############
Tess
Many thanks, checked it out, looks Ok, will include on Help Page.
To the List
One of my latest additions to the "Technical words and phrases" section of the
Help Page, which may be of general interest , is as below;
Congregationalists
This nonconformist denomination began as a movement within the Church of
England, founded by Robert Browne. Its followers were at first called
Separatists or Brownists,then Independents and finally Congregationalists. The
Separitist ethic is well explained by Browne's conviction that " a Christian
had no need of a Bishop's consent to preach the gospel ".They were firmly
suppressed, and in 1608 Browne's followers emigrated for a time to Amsterdam
to escape persecution. But some returned, and in 1620 the church provided the
London contingent of the passengers of the Mayflower when she sailed for
America. Although the Pilgrim Fathers are associated with Plymouth in Devon,
the main party had been drawn from exiles in the Netherlands. In 1633 Browne
himself died in gaol in England, a broken man. When the monarchy was restored
after the Commonwealth , the 1662 Act of Uniformity placed legal disabilities
upon the sect, as it did upon other nonconformists. This was the period of the
" Great Ejectment", almost 2000 dissenting congregations and their ministers
were forced to leave the parish churches and reform in cottages and barns,
requiring discretion and not a little secrecy. Although the persecution was
ended under William and Mary ,by the 1689 Act of Toleration, meeting places
were still subject to granting of licences. In 1742/3 a register of births
for the Three Denominations[Congregationalists, Presbyterians and Baptists]
was started by Dr Williams's Library. The 1753 Hardwicke Act declared that
only marriages conducted in Anglican churches were to be legal. 1832 saw the
Union of Congregationalist Churches inaugurated, and five years later, when
civil registration began, marriages were allowed by Congregationalist
ministers as long as a Registrar was present too, that latter restriction not
being lifted until 1898.
In 1840 nearly all known registers were lodged with the Registrar General,
then at the PRO, others were added in 1858, and the Three Denominations
registers too.Some of the undeposited registers have since been published. The
earliest registers of baptisms and burials began in 1644 but few are extant
earlier than the late C18. Sundry records and histories of individual churches
are kept at the Congregational Library, London. It should be born in mind that
the nonconformist ethic was anti authoritarianism by definition and so many
Independent/Congregational chapels expressed their independence only too well
by discontinuing the practice of keeping registers altogether. The end result
is also only too well known to the FH researcher in Wales.
In a purely Welsh context, largely due to the influence of returning New World
settlers, the first Independent church in Wales was founded at Llanvaches in
MON in 1639.
The book " My Ancestors were Congregationalists in England & Wales"[with list
of registers] is on the All Wales section of the SWWLE
hwyl
Gareth
South/West Wales Lookup Exchange
http://members.aol.com/FamChaplin/lookup.html
Hi all
sorry for resent e-mail
aol just sent out all my saved e-mail abt 200 items so if you have received
another copy of an earlier e-mail please blame aol not me
Best wishes
David
Treorchy
Hi Malcolm
Ystradyfodwg was a fairly large parish taking in part of Abedare in the East.
all the top ends of the Rhondda Vallies down as far as Porth.
The Ton refers to Ton-Pentre which is abt 15mls north of Pontypridd in the
Rhondda Fawr(big rhondda)
if you look for Porth on the map then follow road north/west u should find
ton-pentre in between LLwynypia and Treorchy
Have you Checked Census for Bebbs in all of Ystradyfodwg as there are a few
families still living in the top end of the rhondda fawr(ton-pentre -
Treherbert) remember these from my school days
best wishes and good luck
David
Treorchy
Rhondda-Cynon-Taf(new name of district)
Hello All
Being a Treorchy Boy for the last 40 plus years and being able to see Dyfodwg
Street from my back garden and also having grand-parents living there from the
1st day the houses were built. I will now try and give you all the easiest way
of pronuncing it.
DYFODWG
DOVE-HO-DOG
Now for YSTRAD
US-TRAD
Little bit of practice and you'll sound like a true Treorchyite
best of luck and lots of laughs:-)
David
Treorchy
Rhondda
Wales (God.s own country)
Hello Tess, there is only one Ty Uchaf in the Glamorgan Village Book, and I
can't seem to find it. My fuzzy recollection was that it was up near Mountain
Ash somewhere, but I can't remember where. There are also two places called
Fadre Uchaf, and these are near Caerphilly and near a town in Neath valley.
As far as I know, Fadre Uchaf means upper farm, so by inference, Ty Fadre
means farm house(?). If the other locale of Ty Uchaf is important, I can
re-read the book again, but, frankly, I think every village had something like
a upper farm or upper house (Fadre Uchaf and Ty Uchaf).
C.
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Hello, Curtis,
I think that the only recent farm enquiries have come from me, looking for a
Ty Uchaf/Ty Ucha (fferm) first in Llantrisant (many weeks ago now) and
recently in Llanishen or Lisvane.
Thank you for your contributions from the GVB (Glamorgan Villlage Book?). It
is helpful to know that the GVB provides no specific reference to a Ty Uchaf
in Llanishen or Lisvane. You mention a few Ty Uchaf places in a variety of
locales. Could you list those locales for me? Also, could you or someone
else translate Ty Fadre for me?
So far my best bet seems to be the Ty Ucha discovered by Pat in Lisvane
Parish, listed in the 1841 Cardiff census. The only occupant counted at that
time was a James Morgan, 40 years of age. He is the right age to be an older
brother of my gggrandfather Thomas Morgan, living in Caerphilly Town in 1841.
To repeat, could you list for me the few locales associated with the farm name
Ty Uchaf in the GVB?
Many thanks, Tess
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This is an extract from a ggg grandfathers will in 1840.
"...to my daughter Elizabeth, the chest and box of her dear mother which
standeth now in my parlour and all the pewters which standeth now in my
kitchen which her dear mother brought with her to me....to my son David,
one bedstead, one pair bedcloaths, a meal chest, a dresser, a cupboard,
a round table, a chair, two stools, the old cheese press and two large
cheese..."
I had enjoyed St Fagans museum in my youth but it was only after I got
interested in my oldies that I really appreciated it. Standing in the
reconstructed farmhouses and seeing all the things mentioned in the
will, I could easily imagine my people living there. If anyone is
visiting the Cardiff area, try to make time for St Fagans. It's well
worth a detour.
Isabel
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