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Gareth, might it be possible to have a compilation of the 107 resources
available to us via this list? There needs to be a backfile for those of us
who joined within the recent past. Many thanks for all you do, Tess
Jean and List,
Thankyou for the explanation about marriage allegations. It's very helpful.
I knew about the Morman Church; their family history centers in Poughkeepsie,
NY and here in New York City have been very helpful to my husband, pursuing
his Scottish cum Irish cum English forebears.
But I didn't make the connection between their family history centers and the
acronym LDS. Also, when Huw came through recently with some very vital census
information for me I had to bother him about most of the abbreviations used in
the extracts.
It would be extremely helpful if someone could publish, on this list, a simple
dictionary of acronyms and abbreviations we all come across in our research.
Or just get one started and the rest of us can add to it.
Hi Everyone.
I have today received some more parish registers. Are you listening Gareth?
Dowlais Register of Cottage Leases. 1818-1877
Peterstone Super-Montem. St Peter. bapt 1745-1900. burials 1745-1900. Marr
1721-1837
Coychurch. St Crallo. Bapt 1733-1900. Burials 1736-1900. Marr 1723-1837
Gileston & Eglwys Brewis. bapt 1701-1940. Burials 1702-1946. Marr 1701-1836
Church of St Andrew. St Andrews Major. bapt 1696-1905. Burials 1696-1901.
Marr 1696-1837
Wenvoe. Parish church of St Mary. bapt 1585-1891. Burials 1585-1900. Marr
1586-1837
Parish church of Holy Trinity; St Tydfil. Llandow & Llysworney. Monumental
Inscriptions.
Regards
Pat.
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Jean, The full name of the Mormon Church, or LDS church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Thanks Kara
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From: Jean M.W. Gilson[SMTP:jmgilson@mts.net]
Sent: Friday, January 30, 1998 9:19 AM
To: GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Marriage allegations, definition
Matrild(a)aol.com asked what are Marriage allegations, and
what is LDS.
When 2 persons wished to marry without having the banns
read out in church, on 3 consecutive Sundays (?3), they
applied to the bishop for a licence. The application was
called a Marriage allegation, and in it the parties swore that
they were able to marry each other i.e. single or widowed,
of age, not related within the forbidden degrees of consanguinity,
and that they resided for the required length of time in the parish
where they wished to be married. I am hoping that there may
be more information in the allegation I am looking for than I
already have.
LDS refers to the Church of Latter Day Saints, or Mormon
Church. They place great importance on finding members of
their families, so as to have them baptized in their church, and
rejoin them in heaven. To assist this function they have set
up Family History Centres which can be used by anyone of
any faith or none. These centres have libraries of film, books
and CDs devoted to genealogical records. They will also
allow requests of material listed in their catalogue from their
main library at Salt Lake City. It is here that I will request a
film covering the year and place of the marriage allegation I am
looking for. There is a small charge for ordering material which
is not already at the particular Family History Centre.
Please jump in Glamorgan list readers and correct me if I have
made any errors in the above.
Jean
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Jean Gilson E-mail <jmgilson(a)mts.net>
Winnipeg, Canada
Barry,
Ibriefly looked for a John Thomas in two other books I have, unfortunately, the book I mentioned was lost years back and I only have about 20 pages of it. I am searching for another book and hope to find one soon. I'll let you know if I find your GG Grandfather in it.
Kara-I am using my husbands e-mail address. Thanks
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From: BARRY THOMAS[SMTP:bthomas@cis.co.za]
Sent: Friday, January 30, 1998 5:37 AM
To: GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: Crawshay Family
At 01:57 AM 29/1/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Pat,
> I am not the person who asked the question, but thank you for the
information. I didn't have it. I do have 3 more generations back from
Richard Crawshaw. Just information in the book "The Crawshay's of
Cyfarthfa. A family history"
HI Bill
I have an interest in the Crawshay family in that my GG Grandfather, who
was known as John Thomas of Cyfarthfa worked for the Crawshay's as a
haulage contractor around the 1800 period. He got involved through some
connection which he had with the Crawshays and obviously did quite well out
of the connection, particularly in view of the name which they gave to him,
which appears on his memorial.
Would you please peruse the book and see if there is a mention of him.
I tried to read your attachment but nothing I could do turned out to be
readable. What is the secret?
Regards
Barry Thomas
Barry Thomas Durban, South Africa Ph 27-31-7017057
Hi list! I really must say the responses I've received from the list and
other contributors has been superb! My sincere thanks to all!
I would appreciate a 1861 census look up for Thomas (age 47) and Ann Rees
(47), probably on Bridgend Rd. in Maesteg. Will probably show children Rees
(12), John (15), Henry (18). Are there other siblings or a nephew at this
address?
Also, searching for (Thomas' son) Joseph and Elizabeth (Lewis) Rees in 1861
census. Joseph would be about 20. They married in 1861 in Llangynwyd parish
church, so I don't know if they are included in census as man and wife.
Joseph may still be at the above Bridgend Rd. address.
Many thanks again for your kind assistance.
Dave Hill (Connecticut, USA)
>I don't have a ref list of potteries but have information that there were
>2 potteries near Bridgend,at Ewenny. One of them claims to be the oldest in
>Wales, and I believe there is still a pottery at Ewenny.Their goods went as
>far as Maesteg, but I see no references to a pottery in Neath. William
>Billingsley went from Nantgarw to Swansea (1814) and were backed by the
>owner of Cambrian Pottery at Swansea where they stayed for about three
>years before returning to Nantgarw.I have no info on what happened to
>Swansea pottery after1817.
>Gaynor, Victoria, Aus.
Hi Owen.
There was also a Pottery in Rumney. Cardiff. South Wales. It was home to
the 'Giles' family for more than three hundred years.
The Pottery is still here in Rumney.
Cheers
Pat.
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Hello List,
I saw the message from Curtis about the Nantgarw Pottery. I wonder if
anyone can recommend any references about Welsh Potteries. An ancestor
of mine originally
named ROMBACH from Baden is supposed to have run a pottery in Wales. My
mother from Neath b 1905 has a Christening cup of fine china with gold
lettering which I was told was made there. Mother said that that ROMBACH
changed his name. Not much to go on, but I would like to find details
about the pottery and the owner. They might lead me to confirm the
origin (St Peter?) in Baden of my ggrandfather Joseph ROMBACH.
Owen Scott, South Australia.
Greetings to all,
Is there some kind soul out there who has access to the 1851 census for
Nantgarw, Eglwysilan. I'm looking for Henry MORGAN (I know, I know!)
who was born in 1833, so he would be 18 years old. He was the son of
John MORGAN who was a "boatman". It's possible that Henry had a brother
David and a sister or sister-in-law Elizabeth.
Also Selina PINNEL born 1834 in Bristol, daughter of Charles PINNEL who
was a "painter".
I would appreciate having the details of these two households if
possible.
With Thanks,
Carole Davidson
Victoria, BC
In a message dated 31/1/98 11:55:46 GMT, you write:
<< Subj: 'more offerings'
Date: 31/1/98 11:55:46 GMT
From: psewell(a)easynet.co.uk (pat sewell)
Reply-to: GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: GLAMORGAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Hi Everyone.
I have today received some more parish registers. Are you listening Gareth?
Dowlais Register of Cottage Leases. 1818-1877
Peterstone Super-Montem. St Peter. bapt 1745-1900. burials 1745-1900. Marr
1721-1837
Coychurch. St Crallo. Bapt 1733-1900. Burials 1736-1900. Marr 1723-1837
Gileston & Eglwys Brewis. bapt 1701-1940. Burials 1702-1946. Marr 1701-1836
Church of St Andrew. St Andrews Major. bapt 1696-1905. Burials 1696-1901.
Marr 1696-1837
Wenvoe. Parish church of St Mary. bapt 1585-1891. Burials 1585-1900. Marr
1586-1837
Parish church of Holy Trinity; St Tydfil. Llandow & Llysworney. Monumental
Inscriptions.
Regards
Pat.
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Hi Pat
Am I listening indeed1
May soon have to allocate you your own sub-section of the Gla list !
Anybody counting, 98 + 7=105 total items now on Gla page, what shall my next
target be then ?
Thanks a lot Pat
Gareth
South/West Wales Lookup Exchange
http://members.aol.com/FamChaplin/lookup.html
Hello,
I am traveling to Wales next month. If I have all my dates, places of
birth and names sorted out before hand, how difficult will it for me to go
to the National Library, pull out some census', and perhaps locate some
birth records? Is it more difficult than an 1880 NY Soundex and the Fed
Census?
Dave Case
I don't have a ref list of potteries but have information that there were
2 potteries near Bridgend,at Ewenny. One of them claims to be the oldest in
Wales, and I believe there is still a pottery at Ewenny.Their goods went as
far as Maesteg, but I see no references to a pottery in Neath. William
Billingsley went from Nantgarw to Swansea (1814) and were backed by the
owner of Cambrian Pottery at Swansea where they stayed for about three
years before returning to Nantgarw.I have no info on what happened to
Swansea pottery after1817.
Gaynor, Victoria, Aus.
On 30-Jan-98, Matrild(a)aol.com wrote:
->Hello, Huw,
->Coming off your recent research for me in the 1851 Caerphilly census, I am
now
->very interested in the owner of THE CLIVE ARMS, whom you mentioned was a
->farmer. In the 1858/59 Slater's Commercial Directory, the owner of The
Clive
->Arms was listed as THOMAS MORGAN. I suspect that this individual was the
->owner of the C.A. in 1851, when we now know that my great-grandfather (David
->Thomas) and his mother(Mary) lived next door. I think it very likely that
->this THOMAS MORGAN was the father of Sarah Morgan (born abt. 1835), who
->married my great-grandfather on date unknown. Also it may have been THOMAS
->MORGAN who owned UPPER HOUSE FARM (location unknown to me), which has so far
->eluded my cousin and I.
->Do you have enough for a search?
->THOMAS MORGAN or
->owner of THE CLIVE ARMS
->1851 Caerphilly census
->Many thanks for your willingness to help, Tess McK.
Hi Tess,
Spot on with Thomas & Sarah MORGAN here is the full extract....
1851 Caerphilly
019 153
Clives Arms Inn
MORGAN, Thomas, HD, 43, Publican & Farmer 30 Ac b. GLA. Llantrisant
MORGAN, Sarah, WI, 43 b. GLA. Caerphilly
MORGAN, Sarah, DA, U, 16, Scholar b. GLA. Caerphilly
MORGAN, Mary, DA, 11, Scholar b. GLA. Caerphilly
MORGAN, William, SO, 9, Scholar b. GLA. Caerphilly
MORGAN, Rachel, DA, 7, Scholar b. GLA. Caerphilly
MORGAN, Elizabeth, DA, 5, Scholar b. GLA. Caerphilly
MORGAN, John, SO, 4, Scholar b. GLA. Caerphilly
regards
Huw
Listsponsor Glamorgan Mailing List
hdaniel(a)enterprise.net
On 30-Jan-98, Charles Shultz wrote:
->Mr. Daniel,
->I just stumbled on the Glamorgan Look-up Exchange while searching for my
->ancestors. I've never used your lookup service and frankly am not sure what
->information is available in "Swansea 1851 Census". I would appreciate any
->help you can provide.
->
->I'm looking for name of my 3rd great grandmother. Her husband's name was
->George WATKINS born: c1824 in Swansea. They were married c1844. Children
->include Margaret b:6-Dec-1846 in Swansea, Mary b: 1848, Anna b: 1850, Ruth
b:
->9-Apr-1854, Bezelia b: 1858, Jane b: 1859 and William b:1860. The family
->emigrated to Pennsylvania, USA between 1860 and 1870. Daughter, Margaret
->married John G. LEWIS (also from Swansea) c1870 in Pennsylvania.
->
->Thanks in advance for your help.
->
->Chuck Shultz
->Friendswood, Texas, USA
->http://www.ghg.net/cashultz/family.html
->cashultz(a)ghg.net
->
Hi Chuck,
Found your family but in 1851 there were in Cae-Gur-wen,
Cadoxton-Juxta-Neath
1851 Cadoaxton-Juxta-Neath
251 004
WATKIN, George, HD, 24, Miner & Collier b. GLA. Llangiwg
WATKIN, Mary, WI, 28 b. CMN. Llanelli
WATKIN, Margaret, DA, 4 b. GLA. Llangiwg
WATKIN, Thomas, SO, 3 b. GLA. Llangiwg
WATKIN, Ann, DA, 1 b. GLA. Llangiwg
regards
Huw
Listsponsor Glamorgan Mailing List
hdaniel(a)enterprise.net
On 29-Jan-98, bdavid(a)together.net wrote:
->Huw Daniel,
->I am searching for information about Edward David, a butcher of
->Bridgend, who married Elizabeth Llewellyn, December 8, 1840, at Coity
->Church, NR Bridgend. By 1851 they had David, Mary, Ann, and Elizabeth.
->They operated "The Red Cow" at Bridgend.
->Thanks for your help!
->Sincerely,
->Betsy David, Woodstock, Vermont, USA
->bdavid(a)together.net
Hi Betsy,
Got them in the 1851 census as follows.....
1851 Bridgend
606 101
Eastgate Street
LLEWELLYN, Ann, HD, W, 74, Publican b. GLA. Coity
DAVID, Edward, SL, 30, Butcher b. GLA. Coity
DAVID, Elizabeth, DA, 29 b. GLA. Coity
DAVID, David Llewellyn, GS, 8 b. GLA. Coity
DAVID, Mary, GD, 6 b. GLA. Coity
DAVID, Ann, GD, 3 b. GLA. Coity
DAVID, Elizabeth, GD, 1 b. GLA. Coity
SPENCER. Juannah, VR, U, 29, Servant b. GLA. Coity
*JAMES, Etsey, SV, U, 30, House Servant b. CMN. ---
DAVIES, Mary, SV, U, 16, House Servant b. GLA. Bridgend
* Female
regards
Huw
Listsponsor Glamorgan Mailing LIst
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Matrild(a)aol.com asked what are Marriage allegations, and
what is LDS.
When 2 persons wished to marry without having the banns
read out in church, on 3 consecutive Sundays (?3), they
applied to the bishop for a licence. The application was
called a Marriage allegation, and in it the parties swore that
they were able to marry each other i.e. single or widowed,
of age, not related within the forbidden degrees of consanguinity,
and that they resided for the required length of time in the parish
where they wished to be married. I am hoping that there may
be more information in the allegation I am looking for than I
already have.
LDS refers to the Church of Latter Day Saints, or Mormon
Church. They place great importance on finding members of
their families, so as to have them baptized in their church, and
rejoin them in heaven. To assist this function they have set
up Family History Centres which can be used by anyone of
any faith or none. These centres have libraries of film, books
and CDs devoted to genealogical records. They will also
allow requests of material listed in their catalogue from their
main library at Salt Lake City. It is here that I will request a
film covering the year and place of the marriage allegation I am
looking for. There is a small charge for ordering material which
is not already at the particular Family History Centre.
Please jump in Glamorgan list readers and correct me if I have
made any errors in the above.
Jean
---------------------------------------------------------------
Jean Gilson E-mail <jmgilson(a)mts.net>
Winnipeg, Canada
On 29-Jan-98, Richard Dowd wrote:
->Hi Huw,
->I have a couple of lookups for the 1851 census of Carmarthen that I hope you
->can help me with.
->I hope that the common names of JONES and EVANS dont make it too difficult.
->Daniel Jones - would have been about 8 years old in 1851.
-> - Father (name unknown) was probably a Produce Merchant
->John Evans - about 77 y.o. Printer (probably died prior to 1851)
->Mary Evans - wife (these were the parents of the heads of the following
->Evans families.)
Hi Richard,
Had a look in the 1851 Carmarthen Town census and no sign of above,
however it does only cover the town of Carmarthen and not Carmarthenshire so
no doubt they're out there somwhere.
regards
Huw
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On 29-Jan-98, Brian Besley wrote:
->Huw Daniel wrote:
->>
->> On 24-Jan-98, MIDMARCH-D-request(a)rootsweb.com wrote:
->> ->MIDMARCH-D DigestVolume 98 : Issue 26
->>
->> ->Today's Topics:
->>
->> -> #5 re virus warning [Brian Besley
->> <brian.besley(a)xtra.co]
->>
->> Hi Brian,
->> Brynaman is on the A4068 between Ystalyfera, (Swansea Valley)
->> Glamorgan and Ammanford which is on the West Glamorgan/Carmarthenshire
->border.
->>
->> As for "Gwaun-Cae-Gurwen" it's literally just down the road from Brynaman.
->>
->> regards
->> Huw
->>
->> Listsponsor Glamorgan Mailing List
->>
->> hdaniel(a)enterprise.net
->Hi Huw
->thanks for the location of these 2 towns.
->My ggrandmothers family came from the Brynaman/Gwaun-Cae-Gurwen area.All
->I know of her is that she had a child (Jane ANTHONY b 17th July 1892)
->had about 3 sisters and 2 brothers, married William ANTHONY, and died in
->1907, the same year as her husband. Any ideas where I could get more
->information about her?
->Kind Regards
->Brian
->New Zealand+
Hi Brian,
The only William & Mary ANTHONY couple on the 1881 Glamorgan Census
are....
5354 50 43
Cross, Clase (Swansea)
ANTHONY, William, HD, 28, Pudler (Tin) b. CHH. Llanedi
ANTHONY, Mary, WI, 23 b. GLA. Morriston
ANTHONY, David M., SO, 2M b. GLA. Morriston
regards
Huw
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