To Tony Buccella:
Dear Tony: In my experience most people from Austria Hungary, especially
from Bohemia traveled to Bremen, but if they lived in the South of Austria,
many travel to the US via Trieste. Now this is Yugoslavia, but it belonged
to Austria Hungary then. The landed not only at Ellis Island but also
Galveston, Texas, Baltimore, Maryland, and they could have come to the
States via Canada. You have done a tremendous search and we can eliminate
Here is another source you might not have looked at, there are several links
of immigrants arriving through Canada:
and if all possibilities come up negative, I would suggest to you that you
might search in the Austrian Hungarian Military records. Your ancestor
would not have been able to leave the country, if he had not completed his
military service... although some of them "escaped" and then they preferred
to ship out from Rotterdam, or other Holland harbors. It depended on where
they had connections.
For military research you can contact the Family Research Center (Mormon
Church in your community) and request that they look in the Family History
Library Catalog under title "Grundbuchblätter-Diverse" were the Austrian
Hungarian Servicemen are listed in alphabetical order. There are several
microfilms and each is $6.00 (rental fee) so check out only microfilm
numbers for the alphabet you will need. If you find your ancestor there,
usually you will find his place of origin, the names of his parents. But if
you want even more information on him, you can find his regiment by the
location where he was drafted, and then you can go to the regimental
records where his service, health records, appearance (height, hair and eye
color) etc is recorded. The people at the Family Research Centers are very
helpful and it takes just a few weeks for the microfilm to arrive at the
Center where they have microfilm readers for you to use. The names are
typewritten, but the records are handwritten and you can make copies of it.
You will also get the latest status on their databases, because some it
now databased and accessible by computer. I have not searched there for a
while, but when I did, I found the place of origin of my ancestor in the
Grundbuchblätter, which is the first step.
I hope that this will help you open another door of possibility.
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:30 PM, <guerino(a)peoplepc.com> wrote:
Hello listers! Sorry for the length of this post, but after
every source I can think of, this is my last chance.
I am searching the ship on which my ancestors arrived in the New World. I
believe my GGG grandfather ADALBERT KARL, spouse KATHARINA MULTRUS and their
four children ROSA, JOHN, JOSEPH, and ALBERT from HRADZEN, BOHEMIA, AUSTRIA
near PILSEN departed BREMEN in 1859. They do not show up in any incoming
passenger lists in America. To no avail I have searched the Steve Morse site
using the following wildcards: ada* ade* cat* kat* ros* joh* jos* alb* and
surname kar* car* har* and ear*. This leads me to believe they did not enter
through the U.S.
The reason I believe they departed Bremen is because in the1860 U.S. Census
from Allegany, NY they indicate they were from Bremen, Germany. However in
every future census, they correctly state they are from Austria. In
Adalbert's obituary from 1903 it states that he and his family of four
mistakenly went to DAYTON, OHIO instead of DAYTONS SUMMIT, NEW YORK.
Here is a summary of the records I have searched to date:
a) Every U.S. arrival site - including the Steve Morse site - for every
combination I can think of.
b) All of the websites of pre-1865 passsenger lists for Canadian Arrivals
on the Olive Tree Genealogy site.
c) The "Germans To America" Series.
d) "German Immigrants: Lists of Passengers Bound from Bremen to New York,
e) The Leo Baca Book "Czech Immigration Passenger Lists, Volumes 1-9 "
f) I have requested citizenship records of Adalbert Karl in the hope that
they would reveal the date and place of entry into the U.S. but Immigration
wrote me that there is no record. He was naturalized in 1866 according to
the local county records, but these shed no light on his date or mode of
entry to the U.S..
g) I have written to the Ship List and other genealogy listservs in the
hope of finding a morsel of information that I could follow up on. I posted
on the Ancestry.com
message boards and received a response from a gentleman
apparently writing from the Czech Republic who informed me, I quote:
"Accordings to the proceeding protocoll of Regional Office of Plzen
asked on 1859 Adalbert Karl from Hradzen (Hradec u Stoda) for issuing of
emigrant passport to USA.There is possible to see the proces of
issuing of passport sep by step there. Adalbert can be recorded as Bohemian
in the books of Leo Baca (Bohemian passanger lists). Look for them
in some big library. The registers of Hradzen are in the archive in Plzen.
You can search yourself ther or you can hire some of Czech researcher."
While promising, my replies to this post requesting further information
have never been answered. I am willing to accept that the absence of data
means that my ancestors must have entered through Canada on some
impossible-to-trace ship. But I must at least ask the question if there are
any stones I have left unturned.
My questions are this: what would be the typical route for a family from
Austria, departing Bremen for America in 1859? Assuming they departed
Bremen, would they have stopped in the British Isles? And would there be a
record of this arrival or departure? And then, would they typically have
arrived at Quebec if they were bound for Dayton? Once at Quebec, would their
voyage to the wrong Dayton be via the U.S. or Canada?
Thank you very much for any insight you can provide,
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