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> From: msummerer(a)loudoun.com (Mike Summerer)
> X-Mailing-List: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L(a)rootsweb.com> archive/latest/419
> I'm looking for any infomation on Georg Summerer and his
> wife Franziska Liellin. They were married 1815 in Maria Kulm, Bohemia.
Mike, I just wanted to add, that Maria Kulm (czech: Chlum Sv.Mar^i') was
in the political district Falkenau (czech: Sokolov); it had according to
1933 gazetteer with Reisengruen 922 inhabitants (907 german). It further
says: Wallfahrtsort, auf einem 541m hohem Berge; die Kirche ist ein
Meisterwerk byzantinischer Baukunst (place of pilgrimage - church).
On the map: look in the most western Bohemia for Eger/Cheb and Karlsbad/
Karlovy Vary. In between is Falkenau/Sokolov and about 1/3 between Falkenau
and Eger there is the small place Maria Kulm with the church "Mariahilfsberg/
Svata Mar^i' Domoc^na').
The parish book with the record about the marriage would be stored
in the States District Archive in Pilsen/Plzen.
Regards, Dora, dselig(a)genealogy.net
Unfortunately I do not have information on you specific ancestors. I was
searching for ancestors from Bohemia and with great luck found about 75
decsendants still living in one county. I learned that when they came to
Texas from Bohemia there was a county made up of people, ALL from Moravia.I
am still researching this county.
Good luck on your search, check out the counties you know they may have
> From: MMINEAR11(a)aol.com
> To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Cc: mminear11(a)mcn.net
> Subject: OEHMIG, Rudolph
> Date: Sunday, May 11, 1997 1:21 PM
> My grandfather was born 8 March 1866 at Siebenstein, Bohemia, he
> the U.S. in April 1882. His father was Carl Oswald OEHMIG b 1835 d 1911,
> was a
> factory owner in Liebenstein later Eger-Sudetenland.
> Rudolph had a brother Hugo Theodor b 1867 d 1939, he was a merchant in
> Berlin-Charlottenburg. Hugo had a daughter Charlotte Oehmig who's
> name was RAEMISCH, believe married 24 Mar 1895 in Berlin
> Years ago (1940's) we had a cousin Hildegard Oehmig, who use to write to
> she lived in Charlottenburg 5 Pulsstn 4-14 West Berlin.
> Does anyone have any information on any of these people?
> email me at mminear11(a)mcn.net
My grandfather was born 8 March 1866 at Siebenstein, Bohemia, he emigrated to
the U.S. in April 1882. His father was Carl Oswald OEHMIG b 1835 d 1911, he
factory owner in Liebenstein later Eger-Sudetenland.
Rudolph had a brother Hugo Theodor b 1867 d 1939, he was a merchant in
Berlin-Charlottenburg. Hugo had a daughter Charlotte Oehmig who's married
name was RAEMISCH, believe married 24 Mar 1895 in Berlin
Years ago (1940's) we had a cousin Hildegard Oehmig, who use to write to us,
she lived in Charlottenburg 5 Pulsstn 4-14 West Berlin.
Does anyone have any information on any of these people?
email me at mminear11(a)mcn.net
Does anyone know how to get some sort of local history about villages in
Bohemia? I seem to recall some discussion on Heimatbuecher, but I'm not
sure if they're what I think they are. My family has been researching
ancestors from Hvozdany (the one near Blatna and Pribram; there are
several) for some time through government/church archives with success.
However, I have found library books on local history of other small towns
(Blatna, for example) and think that something useful might come of such a
book on Hvozdany. I've checked some interlibary loan sources, but either I
wasn't looking right or there wasn't much to be found. Does anyone know
who/where I should write to find something like this?
Researching CUBR, MOTHEYZJK, and others near HVOZDANY and STARY SMOLJVEC
(near Pribram and Blatna).
8 May, 1997
I'm new to this list and interested to know several things
regarding my ancestry on my father's side.
I hope I'm not being too brash in cluttering up your
e-mail boxes with this detailed appeal.
Both my grandparents said they were from Bohemia,
but very little else is known about them.
Grandfather: Wenzel Muller
Born: likely in Teplitz-Schonau
Date: April 27, 1883 (very uncertain date)
Grandmother: Emma Kabela (uncertain spelling; Kapella, Kabila?)
Born: Zuckmantl bei Teplitz (now called Pozorka, north of Teplice)
Date: April 7 or April 19, 1883 (uncertain)
Siblings of Grandfather (number unknown, names uncertain):
Siblings of Grandmother (number unknown, names uncertain):
Father of Grandmother died: 18 (or 26) Mai, 1910
I recently visited Teplitz and Litomerice and got ahold of
the old 1880s book of matrika. Unfortunately, none of the
entries matched my grandparents exactly, though there WAS
a Wenzel Muller born June 6, 1883, with a middle name Joseph
which is the same name of my grandparents' first-born child (my uncle).
But Wenzel and Muller (and Emma and Joseph for that matter) are common names
so chance could be involved.
It was only after I returned from Teplitz (side trip of a
business meeting) that I was given by my oldest surviving
(non-blood-related) aunt a box of photos and hand-scrawled notes
that belonged to my grandmother. Thus, I'm eager to know the
(1) Is anyone on this list living in Teplitz (Teplice) or nearby?
(a) Is there still a photographic company called C Pietzner
which had offices in Teplitz, Wien, Salzburg and many
other places, or another called Emil Hoffmann (Kosten b.
Teplitz)? If you are aware of such companies, please
send me the address/fax/phone/e-mail, because I have
several old pictures of relatives who I cannot identify
and I would like to know if there are still records
in those companies of pictures taken as far back as 1880s,
1890s, 1900s and 1910s to help ID the plates (numbered).
(b) Are there any graveyards in/near Teplitz that indicate
a surname like Kabela (including great-grandfather above)?
The recent phone book had nothing like Kabela in it,
likely due to the purge of Germans after WWII.
(2) Is anyone familiar with the Kabela last name? I'm especially
interested if this is a German last name or some other background.
(3) Is anyone aware of ship departure records for
(a) Rotterdam, 30 August, 1903, bound for Liverpool
(b) Liverpool, 1 Sept, 1903, bound for Sydney, Nova Scotia
arrived in Sydney, c. 13 Sept., 1903
These dates are indicated on a faded piece of paper found
among the old pictures belonging to my grandmother,
written in a mixture of German and English.
I'm aware that passenger lists are unavailble, but a list
of simple departures would be confirmation of these notes.
(4) Is anyone aware of my grandmother's sister's married name:
Sophie Laskovitz, perhaps full name is Losi Sophie?
Joseph Laskovitz, husband
Thanks to all for this intrusion.
San Diego, CA
-=> Quoting viola seward of 13 Apr 97 02:37:47 <=-
> From: olla(a)eot.com (viola seward)
> i am trying to finbd out where william mack came from in germany. we
> were told he was german, and would like to
> find more family member's.
> thank you.
> a ggreat grand daughter of william mack.
Some remarks to your mail. In part, they are applicable to many
similar mails, and could avoid researching the wrong way, and
filling the mail-trashbox of many readers.
The definition I got for the present list, reads:
* The German-Bohemian mailing list is a discussion group for
* those interested in sharing information about the culture,
* genealogy and heritage of the German-speaking people of Bohemia
* and Moravia, now Czech Republic.
You are looking for your gg-grandfather who "came from in Germany".
So you really are not searching somebody from Bohemia and Moravia
(or also acceptable: Austria), but you rather might want to post
your question in newsgroup SOC.GENEALOGY.GERMAN or in list GEN-DE-L.
From the lacking infos about that person I deduce that you already
tried hard to search more details about him, e.g. immigration
documents, ship passenger lists, books, ..., without finding any-
thing, and so you posted this desperate informationless mail in
order to find the famous needle in the haystack. (There are other
genealogists who do not try to find anything by themselves, but
rely on their fortune or other nice researchers to do the work
for them. Many of those even don't seem to have a basic geograph-
ical and historical knowledge of the region they are researching
Looking from the U.S., Germany indeed is very small - but we are
crowded! There is nothing like "the Mack family" in Germany: there
are thousands of them among the 80 million Germans in Germany.
Giving you a live and current example:
The telephone directory (and not all people have a telephone or
want to be listed in the directory) of my city Filderstadt (35,000
people) lists 110 subscribers with surname Mack, and among them
are 4 with first name Wilhelm or Willi, i.e. 0.01%. In very "crude"
statistical assumptions, there might be 80,000,000 * 0.01 / 100
= 8,000 Wihelm (or Willi, which means Wilhelm) Mack listet in all
German directories. And that was similar 75 or 100 years ago. So,
Which one would you like?
Or better: which one of which **time** do you really like?
You see, that there is no "free lunch" for researching that way,
in Germany. But I admit that there do exist vary rare caprices of
At least, the button to be pressed in order to find ones ancestors
from entering only a name, has not yet been invented, around here.
Descheneitz / Deschenitz is now named Desenice and its coordinates can be
located at Latitude 49� 16' and Longitude 13� 10'. I believe it is on the
German border, probably in the Bohemian Forest.
Edward you wrote on:
>Wed, 7 May 1997 22:01:14 -0400 (EDT)
>All of my family has spoken slovak, but I have been
>told that we are of German ancestory.
Maybe your ancestors come from the Austrian-Hungarian-Monarchy.
The end from this great monarchy was 1918. Vienna was the capitol
Austrian's (in present days border) phonebook shows no record with the
The next similar spelling is RAHLE. And here are 4 records in the
whole Austria, but only in Vienna's (WIEN) phonebook.
In Vienna is a street by the name of RAHLGASSE.
From the encyclopedia:
Rahl Karl, (1812-1865), oesterr. Maler, Akademieprof. in Wien,
vertrat die heroisch-klass. Richtung, schuf auch Portraes u.
Sein Vater Karl Heinr. R. (1779-1843), Kupferstecher war ebenf. Prof.
an der Akademie in Wien.
Rahl Karl, (1812-1865), Austrian-painter, academy-professor in
Vienna, represent the heroic style, made also portrait and frescos.
His father Karl Heinrich Rahl (1779-1843) copperplate engraver was
also academy-professor in Vienna.
In the history of art in Austria is the name RAHL distinguished.
If your ancestors are the same? Now, you must research further yourself.
Gerhard Graz - Austria - Europe
Hello, I believe this database entry from the 'German-Bohemian Family
KRZMARZICK,Johann,14 April 1821,Descheneitz,Markt Eisenstein,1864
is my great-great-grandfather, who came to America in the ship "Bavaria"
in 1864. Can anybody tell me more about Descheneitz, i.e., what part of
Bohemia this was? Does this village still exist?
Thanks for any help,
DUSPIVA---- HAS ANYBODY OUT THERE SEEN THIS NAME? My greatgrand
father was born in Bohemia 5 Oct 1845, no town or village known. On his
citizenship papers for USA in the 1880's it says that he had been a
subject of the King of Austria. His full name was Frank Duspiva. Would
like to know what part of Bohemia he came from or if he lived in Austria
for a while Thank you Glenn Duspiva
Hi, Ed. My grandmother came to the U.S. from what is now Slovakia and she was
German, by culture and language, though she also spoke Slovak and Hungarian.
Slovakia for centuries had large German and Hungarian populations. I'd get
your grandfather's death record to find his place of birth. If you find only
you should at least be able to get the year of imigration, and then turn to
National Archives to get his ship's passenger list, which will show his TOWN
of birth, and the nationality or "race" he claimed. His country may be listed
either Hungary, Austria or Slovakia. (All 3 were parts of the
Empire starting in 1867) Good luck! Bill Chapman, Downey, CA
Hi, Viola. I'd start with his death record. They sometimes show his town of
birth, but usually only the country. BUT they sometimes also show ( by a
little subrtraction) what year he came to the U>S> (Look for a space on the
certificate that says something like " if foreign born, how long in the
U.S.?" ) Then you can turn to National Archives for his ship's passenger
list, which should have his native TOWN. (My grandfather's did).
Another thing- his death record should also list his parents. Good luck!
Bill Chapman, Downey, Calif.
My name is Edward Rahl. All of my family has spoken slovak, but I have been
told that we are of German ancestory. I do not know where my family is from
specifically. I do know that my part of the Rahl family came to the U.S.
sometime about the 1890's. If anyone can help me, please respond.
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If you are interested in this medium of distributing your work, please
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I am looking for any information about my father's family that may be
still in Czech Rep. "Bohemia " BARTOLOMY DOUBEK, he came from " Klatovy
Czechoslovakia in June 1901.
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