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At 01:16 AM 4/21/04 -0400, Linda Barton wrote:
>A post from a little over a year ago submitted by Richard Pettys states
>that you, as the current SC, were interested in guidelines revision to
>allow more input from the CC's.
>http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GAGEN/2003-04/1049815023
Yes and that's still true.
==============================
I'm going to comment on this further - after I've responded to all the
other mail in the Georgia folder.
As I'm answering in the order received.
Tim
At 07:18 AM 4/21/04 -0500, Virginia wrote:
>Tim, can you help those of us who have never served on the AB nor know that
>much about domains, to understand what the issues are in this?
Part of this you'll have to ask Ms. Cortez. What suddenly changed after
2 years of my paying the fees for the domains?
>What is your reason for retaining the domains?
I've been advised by AB members past and present to do so. They have
an inkling of what the NC has planned - and it is not in the best
interests of the CCs or the Project.
>Do you have a plan for using them?
As long as I am a member of USGenWeb they will be available for the use
of the Project.
I had one AB member ask me, what if the shoes were reversed. I told the
AB member that as long as someone was willing to foot the bill, and let
the Project use the domains, let them have at it.
This is not a new situation - several non-AB members have held the domains
prior to this, letting the Project use them. You'll have to ask the NC
why the sudden change.
Here's a brief history of 2 years ago. - The NC got me to pay for the
domains, which I willingly did. As soon as that was accomplished -
about 2 weeks afterward, his reign of terror began.
Actually prior to that he was already laying down the law to the AB -
we're gonna do things this way - end of discussion.
I had a similar experience when I first became NC in 1999 - I said to
the AB upon assuming office I'd like to do things this way - and was
promptly told, no - we already have procedures established and that
was fine by me. While some things were instituted by me - continued
to this day, most were a group effort.
In hindsight I'm glad the AB at the time took that stand and I blinked
for in doing so we could work better together - and they were far
from being all yes men/women. They could say their piece. Sure I made
mistakes, some really bad ones - but while we had disagreements
among ourselves .......well that's all on Board-L archives for anyone
who's interested.
9/25/02 - the USGenWeb-all list was confiscated - less free speech,
dissent allowed
In the ensuing months the controls tightened and tightened and tightened
so that even AB members were not allowed to speak on the Board-L list,
Board-exec list unless their ideas/speech met with his approval.
Please do not be so foolish as to think that the BRC doesn't have his
hands all over it - the blurb that folks will be required to put on their
websites - the placement of logos, how big they must be.
Sure some of the revisions go against SCs - but most are for controlling
the CCs even more, ie they lose even more freedom than the SCs do.
>I guess I thought that when you applied for these domains (and I think it
>was when you were the National Coordinator--- am I correct?) that the
>intent was that they did belong to the USGenWeb Project.
No I don't know when the domains were first acquired. I suppose back in
1996.
>Help us understand what this all means, please.
Politics - pure politics.
Tim
----- Original Message Follows -----From:
<lznash(a)bellsouth.net>To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.comSubject:
[GAGEN] Thoughts from a new CCDate: Thu, 22 Apr 2004
07:53:13 -0400> I am a new CC and not familiar enough with
the rules,> regulations and bylaws to vote intelligently. So
I did not> vote in the recent poll. That does not mean
anything> except that I did not consider that I had enough>
information to form an intelligent decision. I am reading>
and learning so that I can be a contributing member of> this
project. I do not know any of the people involved in> this
tragic back and forth exchange or their personalities> , nor
do I wish to be involved in this discussion except> to say
that it makes me very sad.> > I did not know there was such
animosity among the> volunteers for the GaGenWeb project. I
had always thought> that we were volunteering in order to
help people who were> searching for their ancestors and to
gather as much> information as possible to provide a central
place for> them to search. I am very disappointed to see
such> bickering. I am ready, willing and able to help and
only> wish to contribute. I do not want to take anything
away> except the self-satisfaction that perhaps in some
small> way I did make a contribution. I do sincerely hope
that> all of the volunteers feel the same way.> > Instead of
bickering, please find a way to make peace so> that the
Georgia GenWeb will be a valuable tool for all>
researchers.> > Liz Nash> County Coordinator, Lincoln County
GAGenWeb> www.rootsweb.com/~galincol/> > > > ==== GAGEN
Mailing List ====> What's new on your site this month?>
As a "new" cc I too began having second thoughts almost
immediately upon beginning to recieve the GAGEN-L list. It
seems to be about 10/1 complaints over constructive
information! This county had been without a coordinator for
many months and I thought I would try to get it since I have
been helped a lot by other county sites, although in another
state. I personally know no other cc's and do almost no
personal research in GA.
Regrettably I have been unable so far to do what I want due
to personal health problems and family obligations. The
future looks much brighter on that front now though.
Paul Parker
Carroll County coordinator
Georgia GenWeb
http://rootsweb.com/~gacarro2
http://www.livgenmi.com/Cortez.htm
Since so many people have pointed out that they are upset with all the
problems here in Georgia, and since Tim seems to be once again brought up on
charges before the AB initiated by the same, I am forwarding this not to
cause trouble, or to criticize, but because it is important that people know
of other events that have occurred as well. It is not my usual procedure to
get involved out here, but I too am tired of being denounced in this forum.
Perhaps this will indicate more towards the non-need for more guidelines in
this project. No response to me is necessary, as I do not wish to engage in
rhetorical debate, this is for informational purposes only.
Chuck Pierce
Forwarded at her request
>Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:18:38 -0500
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>Hi Virginia,
> Would you mind forwarding this to the Ga list for me:
>
> I apologize for being a part of the recent GRC poll. It was my
> full intent to help maintain accuracy in the vote count. You all know
> over 50% of the votes were in favor of continuing the GRC. Those results
> were correct. I had no idea these votes would be interrupted the way
> they were and for that I'm sorry.
>Mari Byers
>Tennessee State Coordinator-TNGenWeb Project
I'm also a new CC and might would have written this same email - all I can
add is 'ditto'. I imagine you said it better than I would have.
I will say it was surprising to me to see the level of bickering and sniping
once I was privy to this list and have wondered more than once what I have
gotten myself into. I thought about retreating - then decided to keep on
with what I'm doing. While reading this and trying to figure out what is
what and who is who I keep having the feeling I'm supposed to choose a side
somehow.
I finally realized what an NC is - but before I choose up sides I have to
figure out what an AB is ...... <g>
Meanwhile there's real life to deal with - so I hit delete and go back to
what I volunteered to do.
For whatever it's worth,
Beth Shaw
Gordon County GA GenWeb Coordinator
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagordo3/http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacmils/http://www.rootsweb.com/~miharsen/
----- Original Message -----
From: <lznash(a)bellsouth.net>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:53 AM
Subject: [GAGEN] Thoughts from a new CC
> I am a new CC and not familiar enough with the rules, regulations and
bylaws
> to vote intelligently. So I did not vote in the recent poll. That does not
> mean anything except that I did not consider that I had enough information
> to form an intelligent decision. I am reading and learning so that I can
be
> a contributing member of this project. I do not know any of the people
> involved in this tragic back and forth exchange or their personalities,
nor
> do I wish to be involved in this discussion except to say that it makes me
> very sad.
>
> I did not know there was such animosity among the volunteers for the
> GaGenWeb project. I had always thought that we were volunteering in order
to
> help people who were searching for their ancestors and to gather as much
> information as possible to provide a central place for them to search. I
am
> very disappointed to see such bickering. I am ready, willing and able to
> help and only wish to contribute. I do not want to take anything away
except
> the self-satisfaction that perhaps in some small way I did make a
> contribution. I do sincerely hope that all of the volunteers feel the same
> way.
>
> Instead of bickering, please find a way to make peace so that the Georgia
> GenWeb will be a valuable tool for all researchers.
>
> Liz Nash
> County Coordinator, Lincoln County GAGenWeb
> www.rootsweb.com/~galincol/
>
>
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> What's new on your site this month?
>
>
Since the quote is from Admiral David Glasgow Farragut at the Battle of
Mobile Bay in 1864, you are both either a heck of a lot older than I think
you are or you learned in school and it has no real bearing on you age. I
really prefer to believe the latter.
Bill
btw that was what mines were called in 1864
----- Original Message -----
From: "lrober" <lrober(a)plantationcable.net>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Re: Big WWII
> Yes, I am of an age where I am now bragging.
>
> Liz Robertson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chuck Pierce
> To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 10:51 AM
> Subject: [GAGEN] Re: Big WWII
>
>
> You are telling your age......
> Full steam ahead, d____the torpedoes
>
> Have a nice day
> Chuck Pierce
>
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to
preserve
> the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching
> their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals
> with just this type of research. Please refer them to:
> http://www.adoption.org
>
>
>
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
>
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> I'm also a new CC
Hi new CCs--all of you, whoever you are. I guess I missed the announcement
again. I'll have to trot on over & look at Gordon County. Are you new to
USGenWeb or just to GAGenWeb?
> I finally realized what an NC is - but before I choose up sides I have to
> figure out what an AB is ...... <g>
Advisory Board. You have at least 2 CC reps & 1 SC rep from each region. GA is
in the SEMA region. Here's a list of everyone on the AB at the moment
http://www.usgenweb.com/about/whoswho.html
The Recording Secretary & Parliamentarian are appointed by the NC (National
Coordinator) You can write them, too, if you want -- they have excellent ears
<g>, but do not vote on any issues.
Teh USGenWeb home page: http://www.usgenweb.com/ has other info you might
be interested in or want to know about, so be sure & check it out when you can.
Hope this helps to explain things??
Bettie <><
--
There is no key to happiness. The door is always open.
> Finally, I want to publicly thank Bettie Wood for her kind response with
> respect to my email to her on the subject. She did not argue,
Well I might have if I'd felt like I'd been attacked <wink>
> but merely thanked me for my opinion, and she is not even representing a region
> I work
> in.
While I mostly listen to the region I represent & vote their way, I do listen to
others especially when it concerns the USGenWeb Project as a whole. From what I
have seen from Linda, & the almost all the AB, they listen too, & give their
regions a voice by voting the region's way.
That's one reason I felt the GRC was so important to us all. They were working
to give us all a voice in our GAGenWeb Project, & it was disappointing to see our
own "AB/Council" vote on not continuing it any longer. Sure there was some off
topic emails, but it seems we get those everywhere. It looked like things got
back on track quickly, & I truly believe this was uniting GAGenWeb once again.
Since the Council saw how the votes came in & that the majority that voted wanted
the GRC to continue, I am going to ask that the Council take one more vote on
continuing the GRC.
Thank you for your consideration
Bettie <><
--
There is no key to happiness. The door is always open.
Would Marlene Berry, CC of Morgan County, please contact me off the list
about a research issue in her county and response to a colleague's question
about a picture on her website....
(This is assuming that she is subbed to the GAGen-L, as I believe all CCs
are required to be)
S. Rankin
sylvia(a)pickenscountyga.com
Pickens County CC
Richard,
With all due respect, this is one point that you don't know about me.
While a few people in this project like to control others thinking with
innuendo - I am NOT one of those people who relies on innuendo. I
believe what I believe because I took the time to research issues for
myself.
You wrote this in response to a couple of emails you wrote to me
personally yesterday concerning a matter before AB.
I did not agree with what you wrote, I didn't actually disagree with
what you wrote - I asked you to send me proof of your accusations and I
would look at them with an open mind.
You have not done that but I am sure that will be forthcoming in a
timely manner so I can take the proof of your allegations into account
before I vote. As I told you before, privately, I will be glad to look
at anything you can send me in the way of an offer of proof concerning
the matters you pointed out to me.
You will know that my mind is made up when you see my actual vote come
through on Board-L.
My personal opinions do not override the input I receive from CC's
within the SEMA region. When I weigh the opinions of CC's in SEMA Region
before I vote - I use simple math. X # of Yes, X # of No. I don't take
into account the number of CC's who choose not to voice their opinion.
You are asking me to recuse myself as a CC Representative for the CC's
in all 13 states of SEMA region because I didn't bow to your opinions.
I don't think that would be fair to the other CC's in those 13 states,
do you?
Please do not make any further accusations concerning my character to me
personally or to this list.
Linda Blum-Barton
SEMA CC Rep
CC - Fayette Co., GA
CC - Henry Co., GA
-----Original Message-----
From: mannannan [mailto:mannannan@maclyr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:07 PM
To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: [GAGEN] GRC Status
And what is the point of addressing our SEMA representative when she has
already made up her mind?
Linda, I do not believe that you can adequately represent the interests
of
the GAGenWeb Project with regard to this matter. Your personal opinions
and
the personal opinions of those who control you are impairing your vision
and
judgment.
As such, I call upon you to recuse yourself from further deliberation on
the
domain issues currently before the AB.
Richard Pettys, Jr.
And then there is this item. We should all be concerned and work toward accomplishing our common goals.
Liz Robertson
CC Monroe Co., GAGenWeb
CO-CC Haralson Co., GAGenweb
A Simple Lesson
A rat looked through a crack in the wall to see the farmer and his wife
opening a package. What food might it contain? He was aghast to discover
that it was a rat trap. Retreating to the farmyard the rat proclaimed the
warning; "There is a rat trap in the house, a rat trap in the house!"
The chicken clucked and scratched, raised her head and said, "Excuse me,
Mr. Rat, I can tell this is a grave concern to you, but it is of no
consequence to me. I cannot be bothered by it."
The rat turned to the pig and told him, "There is a rat trap in the house,
a rat trap in the house!" "I am so very sorry Mr. Rat," sympathized the
pig, "but there is nothing I can do about it but pray. Be assured that you
are in my prayers."
The rat turned to the cow. She said, "Like wow, Mr. Rat. A rat trap. I am
in grave danger. Duh?"
So the rat returned to the house, head down and dejected, to face the
farmer's rat trap alone. That very night a sound was heard throughout the
house, like the sound of a rat trap catching its prey. The farmer's wife
rushed to see what was caught. In the darkness, she did not see that it was
a venomous snake whose tail the trap had caught. The snake bit the farmer's
wife.
The farmer rushed her to the hospital. She returned home with a fever. Now
everyone knows you treat a fever with fresh chicken soup, so the farmer
took his hatchet to the farmyard for the soup's main ingredient. His wife's
sickness continued so that friends and neighbors came to sit with her
around the clock. To feed them the farmer butchered the pig.
The farmer's wife did not get well. She died, and so many people came for
her funeral that the farmer had the cow slaughtered to provide meat for all
of them to eat.
So the next time you hear that someone is facing a problem and think that
it does not concern you, remember that when there is a rat trap in the
house, the whole farmyard is at risk.
Inspiration-on(a)lists.inspirationlist.com
Liz, your comments are very appropriate. If you saw the results of the "poll" you will notice that almost 75% did not respond. Others of us did respond who are just as concerned as you about the bickering. I would suppose that many others that responded also resent the dissention among a "few" members.
Don't be sad or discouraged, please remember that you are joined with well over 100 coordinators, since we can count those that did not respond, who want to do a good job with our web pages and help researchers. We have a common goal. Full steam ahead, d____the torpedoes.
Liz Robertson
CC, Monroe County GAGenWeb
Co-CC Haralson County GAGenweb
----- Original Message -----
From: lznash(a)bellsouth.net
To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 7:53 AM
Subject: [GAGEN] Thoughts from a new CC
I am a new CC and not familiar enough with the rules, regulations and bylaws
to vote intelligently. So I did not vote in the recent poll. That does not
mean anything except that I did not consider that I had enough information
to form an intelligent decision. I am reading and learning so that I can be
a contributing member of this project. I do not know any of the people
involved in this tragic back and forth exchange or their personalities, nor
do I wish to be involved in this discussion except to say that it makes me
very sad.
I did not know there was such animosity among the volunteers for the
GaGenWeb project. I had always thought that we were volunteering in order to
help people who were searching for their ancestors and to gather as much
information as possible to provide a central place for them to search. I am
very disappointed to see such bickering. I am ready, willing and able to
help and only wish to contribute. I do not want to take anything away except
the self-satisfaction that perhaps in some small way I did make a
contribution. I do sincerely hope that all of the volunteers feel the same
way.
Instead of bickering, please find a way to make peace so that the Georgia
GenWeb will be a valuable tool for all researchers.
Liz Nash
County Coordinator, Lincoln County GAGenWeb
www.rootsweb.com/~galincol/
==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
What's new on your site this month?
I agree with Liz. 200%!
Donald Allen
Haralson County Co-coordinator.
-----Original Message-----
From: lznash(a)BELLSOUTH.NET [mailto:lznash@BELLSOUTH.NET]
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 6:53 AM
To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [GAGEN] Thoughts from a new CC
I am a new CC and not familiar enough with the rules, regulations and bylaws
to vote intelligently. So I did not vote in the recent poll. That does not
mean anything except that I did not consider that I had enough information
to form an intelligent decision. I am reading and learning so that I can be
a contributing member of this project. I do not know any of the people
involved in this tragic back and forth exchange or their personalities, nor
do I wish to be involved in this discussion except to say that it makes me
very sad.
I did not know there was such animosity among the volunteers for the
GaGenWeb project. I had always thought that we were volunteering in order to
help people who were searching for their ancestors and to gather as much
information as possible to provide a central place for them to search. I am
very disappointed to see such bickering. I am ready, willing and able to
help and only wish to contribute. I do not want to take anything away except
the self-satisfaction that perhaps in some small way I did make a
contribution. I do sincerely hope that all of the volunteers feel the same
way.
Instead of bickering, please find a way to make peace so that the Georgia
GenWeb will be a valuable tool for all researchers.
Liz Nash
County Coordinator, Lincoln County GAGenWeb
www.rootsweb.com/~galincol/
==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
What's new on your site this month?
I am a new CC and not familiar enough with the rules, regulations and bylaws
to vote intelligently. So I did not vote in the recent poll. That does not
mean anything except that I did not consider that I had enough information
to form an intelligent decision. I am reading and learning so that I can be
a contributing member of this project. I do not know any of the people
involved in this tragic back and forth exchange or their personalities, nor
do I wish to be involved in this discussion except to say that it makes me
very sad.
I did not know there was such animosity among the volunteers for the
GaGenWeb project. I had always thought that we were volunteering in order to
help people who were searching for their ancestors and to gather as much
information as possible to provide a central place for them to search. I am
very disappointed to see such bickering. I am ready, willing and able to
help and only wish to contribute. I do not want to take anything away except
the self-satisfaction that perhaps in some small way I did make a
contribution. I do sincerely hope that all of the volunteers feel the same
way.
Instead of bickering, please find a way to make peace so that the Georgia
GenWeb will be a valuable tool for all researchers.
Liz Nash
County Coordinator, Lincoln County GAGenWeb
www.rootsweb.com/~galincol/
Ah, so a poll is just a pointless ruse, to make the membership think the
council takes into consideration what the CCs think. And because it's not
really a vote, it's OK to manipulate the outcome. I get it.
Vivian Price Saffold
Meriwether County
At 09:20 AM 4/21/04 -0400, you wrote:
>It was a poll and not a vote. No one was voting but it was a simple poll.
>Also it was over the Easter weekend and there were about four persons who
>would have polled to B, and due to their not getting back in town or back to
>their pc until after the poll they did not get counted. But that is besides
>the point. It was a poll and not a vote. There is a difference. Gloria
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Saffold" <msaffold(a)bellsouth.net>
>To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:22 AM
>Subject: Re: [GAGEN] GRC Status
>
>
> > I must say that funny math never occurred to me as a spin on the recent
> > poll results. Counting the votes of CCs who did not vote cannot be
> > supported by the state guidelines or national bylaws and is absolutely
> > wrong. They did not vote. Period. That is all that can be inferred.
> >
> > Vivian Price Saffold
> > Meriwether County
> >
> >
> >
> > At 11:22 PM 4/19/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> > >At 07:24 AM 4/15/04 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >Tim,
> > > >what is the status of the GRC? I think we're all anxious to get back
>to
> > > >work, and just awaiting your e-mail to advise us.
> > > >
> > > >Virginia
> > >
> > >The status of the GRC is it doesn't exist. Richard disbanded it.
> > >The Council vote overwhelmingly confirmed his decision.
> > >
> > >As for the poll -
> > >
> > >20 replied A
> > >11 - B
> > > 8 - C
> > >
> > >of those who voted this translates to:
> > >
> > >A = 51.3%
> > >B = 28.2%
> > >C = 20.5%
> > >
> > >However, out of the total members - this translates to
> > >20 = 17.7% of the members say they think the Guidelines
> > >need revision.
> > >
> > >75.2% say either by voting or not voting that
> > >the Guidelines as they exist are ok as is.
> > >
> > >7.1% of the total members prefer to completely do away
> > >with the Guidelines.
> > >
> > >While portions of the Guidelines may need revisiting - for
> > >clarification or by changes requested of the members the vast
> > >majority of the members seem to be saying leave well enough alone.
> > >
> > >Therefore the GRC or some similar committee will not be reconstituted.
> > >
> > >Members who wish to make suggestions for changes to the Guidelines may
> > >request same through their RC or to me.
> > >
> > >If the folks here wish, we can review the work of the now defunct
> > >committee as a starting basis for a review of the Guidelines.
> > >
> > >Tim
> > >
> > >
> > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on
> > >this list!
> >
> > 3570 Hildon Circle
> > Chamblee, GA 30341
> >
> >
> > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve
> > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching
> > their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals
> > with just this type of research. Please refer them to:
> > http://www.adoption.org
> >
>
>
>==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
>Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com
3570 Hildon Circle
Chamblee, GA 30341
In a message dated 4/21/04 3:07:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
mannannan(a)maclyr.com writes:
> Your personal opinions and the personal opinions of those who control you
> are impairing your vision and judgment.
This is the rudest remark I have read on this list. Bar none. (pun
intended)
MK Harrison
Ancestry.com
Barrow County, GA
Worth County, GA
In America, anybody can be president. That's one of the risks you take. -
Adlai Stevenson (1900-1965)
Well said Janet. I think your message was well said and well organized and
I
hope folks will listen. I think most will - those who won't already knew how
they were going to respond before you even said what you had to say.
Bill Clody
Walker County CC
Northwest Region RC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet Moore" <janetmoore(a)prodigy.net>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:13 PM
Subject: [GAGEN] Please listen
> Hello All:
>
> I am one of the "quiet" members of the GAGenWeb. I don't know how many of
> you are actually going to read this but at least I am going to speak for
> myself.
>
> 1.) Please STOP all this fighting and politics. I don't know how any of
you
> get anything else done. All I want is for the GAGenWeb to be the very best
> place for Georgia researchers to find free information.
>
> 2.) It IS a small group of people who are constantly bickering and calling
> for Tim's resignation or making Tim a member not in good standing. Tim is
> the most patient man I have ever met and I appreciate him very much. He
has
> helped me personally countless times. I don't know how he has time to do
> anything else because he has to spend all his time putting out the fires
> that all of you start. Back off and let Tim do his job. I think Tim is
great
> and will be even greater if all of you would leave him alone so he can
spend
> his time working with people who need his help instead of trying to pacify
a
> bunch of people who cannot be pacified. Tim could walk on water and you
> folks would want him to leap tall buildings in a single bound.
>
> 3.) The guidelines are fine just as they are. I voted by the way. I don't
> care if we use the guidelines as is or just use the National Guidelines
just
> as long as this bickering stops! Has it ever dawned on any of you that
the
> low voter turnout is not because people don't care one way or the other
but
> because there is so much infighting and so many e-mails flying back and
> forth that most people delete them without reading them? Yes, it is true.I
> am guilty of it myself because I don't have time to fight all the battles
> you folks want to keep going. The fact is if all of you spent the time
that
> you spend DREAMING UP things to fight over transcribing records or doing
> something constructive GAGenWeb would be the only place people doing
> research in Georgia would need. If you don't want to do this, find another
> organization to donate your time. There are tons of places that need high
> energy people to raise funds or distribute food or toys. No, I am not
> suggesting that anyone leave GAGenWeb. I think every person is valuable
for
> this project but I do think the politics and fighting is simply
ridiculous.
> There are organizations that love politics and that love a fight. Please
> find one of them because the GAGenWeb is not it! Enough already!
>
> 4.) Yes, I know that I am going to be flamed for taking a stand. I don't
> care folks, I simply do not care. I love the GAGenWeb and I love most of
the
> people who are on it. I think most people want to do a good job and the
> reason they volunteered was to help others with their research. My purpose
> at GAGenWeb is to help others and it is NOT to promote anyone else's
agenda
> or to take sides in these silly disputes. I am speaking up now because I
> want Tim to be left alone to do his job and I want this mailing list to be
> about constructive things that will help us make our websites better.
There
> have been many posts that had helpful links for our websites. Tim even
> started a troubleshooting list for our PCs that got sidelined with
politics
> yet again. These are things that everyone appreciates and it will make
> GAGenWeb better.
>
> 5.) My plea is for all of us to grow the GAGenWeb project as a team. Help
> the people who need help, send helpful advice and links, Make A Difference
> for someone who is at a brick wall in their research or who is stuck at
home
> with illness or unable to drive. That is what our purpose is supposed to
be
> and it is what the project was intended to be from the very beginning. It
> was a great dream back when the project started and it is still a great
> dream. We can do it together folks, we really can but we can't do it if we
> don't work together and waste all our time bickering. There are folks out
> there who need our work and our goal is very important.
>
> Please listen!
> Janet Moore
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gloria Holback [mailto:gholback@comcast.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:35 AM
> > To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] and on another list
> >
> > Linda, how many of we CCs in the SEMA region have you personally
contacted
> > to ask what our opinion was on any issue that you have voted on? I don't
> > recall seeing any emails to this list or to me privately asking my
opinion
> > on anything. Perhaps you did address each issue on this list and asked
our
> > opinions but I don't recall seeing those messages. If you are our
> > representative it seems you would want our opinions before you cast a
vote
> > on an important issue. By representing we CCs in the SEMA region you are
> our
> > representative and not an independent AB member who can speak for us
> without
> > asking us what we think. You do not have the right to "assume" that we
all
> > agree with what you think should be the vote on important issues. You
did
> > not bring this to any of us before you voted on finding Tim a MNIGS.
> Nothing
> > was said to the GAGen L. And I can only speak for myself but I received
no
> > email from you asking for my opinion in this matter. Phyllis Rippee was
> the
> > only AB member not in favor of this decision to find Tim a member not in
> > good standing. In fact Phyllis pointed out that Tim had done nothing
> illegal
> > and it would not be illegal until these documents came up for renewal
and
> > then if at that time Tim did not comply then it would have been dealt
> with.
> > While Phyllis used good judgment and constraint it did not seem that you
> did
> > in this matter. Why didn't you ask the CCs within this project what we
> > thought before you voted on this action? Respectfully, Gloria
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Linda Barton" <lab(a)boone.net>
> > To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:14 AM
> > Subject: FW: [GAGEN] and on another list
> >
> >
> > > My intention was for this reply to go to the list, not Tim's personal
> > > email address.
> > >
> > > Sorry!
> > >
> > > Linda
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Linda Barton [mailto:lab@boone.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:04 AM
> > > To: 'tstowell(a)chattanooga.net'
> > > Subject: RE: [GAGEN] and on another list
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim,
> > >
> > > As a member of AB, voted on by the County Coordinators, to represent
the
> > > County Coordinators, that is my goal - to promote and assist county
> > > coordinators.
> > >
> > > I have done nothing since I entered this project except put data
online
> > > and get involved in ways I felt could HELP county coordinators.
> > >
> > > Politics and power trips are not my goals - I am here to try and
protect
> > > County Coordinators from the same. Were it not for the situation in
> > > GAGenWeb - I would not be on AB.
> > >
> > > As a member of AB, I have continued to put data online for
researchers.
> > >
> > > During my tenure on AB, the fact that there is a NC and AB has
protected
> > > numerous county coordinators from the "politics" and "power trips" in
> > > this project. I have not spent my time on AB on the national or state
> > > lists bashing other people. I have spent my time trying to find out
how
> > > the CC's of this project feel about issues. If the votes I have made
> > > don't agree with your ideas and "politics" then maybe you should
> > > understand that the majority of CC's in the SEMA Region don't agree
with
> > > your ideas and "politics".
> > >
> > > Linda Blum-Barton
> > > SEMA CC Rep
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tim Stowell [mailto:tstowell@chattanooga.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:37 AM
> > > To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > > Subject: [GAGEN] and on another list
> > >
> > >
> > > I recieved a note from the ASC, who took me to task for comments I
made
> > > last night in a post to this list. Apparently they were taken
> > > personally as an attack on her reply to my questions. It was not
meant
> > > to be personal
> > > - and for that I apologize.
> > >
> > > My comments were directed to and about the absolute uselessness of
> > > politics in this Project. That folks who would rather remain true to
> > > the mission of our founder - putting data online freely for visitors
> > > should be subject to all the blather of politics is a sad shame.
> > >
> > > Having a NC/AB does not further, does not add one iota of data online
to
> > > assist visitors. Anything that does not promote, assist the county
> > > coordinators is extra weight.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------via webmail----
> > > Tim Stowell tstowell(a)chattanooga.net
> > >
> > >
> > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > > Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't
> > > hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find
> > > info on your region visit
> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > > Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't
> > > hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find
> > > info on your region visit
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html
> > >
> >
> >
> > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't
> > hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find
> > info on your region visit
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html
> >
> >
> > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to
preserve
> > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching
> > their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals
> > with just this type of research. Please refer them to:
> > http://www.adoption.org
> >
> >
>
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In a message dated 4/21/04 9:33:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
tstowell(a)chattanooga.net writes:
> My comments were directed to and about the absolute uselessness of politics
> in this Project. That folks who would rather remain true to the mission of
> our founder - putting data online freely for visitors should be subject to
> all the blather of politics is a sad shame.
MK writes: There is a difference between politics and playing games.
In a message dated 4/21/04 10:35:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
gholback(a)comcast.net writes:
> Why didn't you ask the CCs within this project what we thought before you
> voted on this action? Respectfully, Gloria
MK writes: Just as in real life, we as individuals must take it upon
ourselves to let our voices be heard. If we have an opinion of how we want our
representative to vote, we should be proactive and let them know. Elected
officials/representatives work best when those who put them in office are
responsible, conscientious citizens and hold them accountable. It is easy to point
fingers and just as easy to send an email with your opinion.
I just did it.
MK Harrison
In America, anybody can be president. That's one of the risks you take. -
Adlai Stevenson (1900-1965)
Janet Moore & Thomas Hammack. . .
DITTO - sorry I was shouting, but Maybe your message might be heard.
kemis
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Hammack, Jr. Here is a flame for you! I flaming well agree!! I am tired of the folks, the very few, who just want to stir the pot.
Do your pages, play nice and quit bothering me and Tim with all this garbage.
Janet Moore wrote:
>
> Hello All:
>
> I am one of the "quiet" members of the GAGenWeb. I don't know how many of
> you are actually going to read this but at least I am going to speak for
> myself.
>
> 1.) Please STOP all this fighting and politics. I don't know how any of you
> get anything else done. All I want is for the GAGenWeb to be the very best
> place for Georgia researchers to find free information.
>
> 2.) It IS a small group of people who are constantly bickering and calling
> for Tim's resignation or making Tim a member not in good standing. Tim is
> the most patient man I have ever met and I appreciate him very much. He has
> helped me personally countless times. I don't know how he has time to do
> anything else because he has to spend all his time putting out the fires
> that all of you start. Back off and let Tim do his job. I think Tim is great
> and will be even greater if all of you would leave him alone so he can spend
> his time working with people who need his help instead of trying to pacify a
> bunch of people who cannot be pacified. Tim could walk on water and you
> folks would want him to leap tall buildings in a single bound.
>
> 3.) The guidelines are fine just as they are. I voted by the way. I don't
> care if we use the guidelines as is or just use the National Guidelines just
> as long as this bickering stops! Has it ever dawned on any of you that the
> low voter turnout is not because people don't care one way or the other but
> because there is so much infighting and so many e-mails flying back and
> forth that most people delete them without reading them? Yes, it is true. I
> am guilty of it myself because I don't have time to fight all the battles
> you folks want to keep going. The fact is if all of you spent the time that
> you spend DREAMING UP things to fight over transcribing records or doing
> something constructive GAGenWeb would be the only place people doing
> research in Georgia would need. If you don't want to do this, find another
> organization to donate your time. There are tons of places that need high
> energy people to raise funds or distribute food or toys. No, I am not
> suggesting that anyone leave GAGenWeb. I think every person is valuable for
> this project but I do think the politics and fighting is simply ridiculous.
> There are organizations that love politics and that love a fight. Please
> find one of them because the GAGenWeb is not it! Enough already!
>
> 4.) Yes, I know that I am going to be flamed for taking a stand. I don't
> care folks, I simply do not care. I love the GAGenWeb and I love most of the
> people who are on it. I think most people want to do a good job and the
> reason they volunteered was to help others with their research. My purpose
> at GAGenWeb is to help others and it is NOT to promote anyone else's agenda
> or to take sides in these silly disputes. I am speaking up now because I
> want Tim to be left alone to do his job and I want this mailing list to be
> about constructive things that will help us make our websites better. There
> have been many posts that had helpful links for our websites. Tim even
> started a troubleshooting list for our PCs that got sidelined with politics
> yet again. These are things that everyone appreciates and it will make
> GAGenWeb better.
>
> 5.) My plea is for all of us to grow the GAGenWeb project as a team. Help
> the people who need help, send helpful advice and links, Make A Difference
> for someone who is at a brick wall in their research or who is stuck at home
> with illness or unable to drive. That is what our purpose is supposed to be
> and it is what the project was intended to be from the very beginning. It
> was a great dream back when the project started and it is still a great
> dream. We can do it together folks, we really can but we can't do it if we
> don't work together and waste all our time bickering. There are folks out
> there who need our work and our goal is very important.
>
> Please listen!
> Janet Moore
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gloria Holback [mailto:gholback@comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:35 AM
> To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [GAGEN] and on another list
>
> Linda, how many of we CCs in the SEMA region have you personally contacted
> to ask what our opinion was on any issue that you have voted on? I don't
> recall seeing any emails to this list or to me privately asking my opinion
> on anything. Perhaps you did address each issue on this list and asked our
> opinions but I don't recall seeing those messages. If you are our
> representative it seems you would want our opinions before you cast a vote
> on an important issue. By representing we CCs in the SEMA region you are our
> representative and not an independent AB member who can speak for us without
> asking us what we think. You do not have the right to "assume" that we all
> agree with what you think should be the vote on important issues. You did
> not bring this to any of us before you voted on finding Tim a MNIGS. Nothing
> was said to the GAGen L. And I can only speak for myself but I received no
> email from you asking for my opinion in this matter. Phyllis Rippee was the
> only AB member not in favor of this decision to find Tim a member not in
> good standing. In fact Phyllis pointed out that Tim had done nothing illegal
> and it would not be illegal until these documents came up for renewal and
> then if at that time Tim did not comply then it would have been dealt with.
> While Phyllis used good judgment and constraint it did not seem that you did
> in this matter. Why didn't you ask the CCs within this project what we
> thought before you voted on this action? Respectfully, Gloria
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Linda Barton" <lab(a)boone.net>
> To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:14 AM
> Subject: FW: [GAGEN] and on another list
>
> > My intention was for this reply to go to the list, not Tim's personal
> > email address.
> >
> > Sorry!
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Linda Barton [mailto:lab@boone.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:04 AM
> > To: 'tstowell(a)chattanooga.net'
> > Subject: RE: [GAGEN] and on another list
> >
> >
> > Tim,
> >
> > As a member of AB, voted on by the County Coordinators, to represent the
> > County Coordinators, that is my goal - to promote and assist county
> > coordinators.
> >
> > I have done nothing since I entered this project except put data online
> > and get involved in ways I felt could HELP county coordinators.
> >
> > Politics and power trips are not my goals - I am here to try and protect
> > County Coordinators from the same. Were it not for the situation in
> > GAGenWeb - I would not be on AB.
> >
> > As a member of AB, I have continued to put data online for researchers.
> >
> > During my tenure on AB, the fact that there is a NC and AB has protected
> > numerous county coordinators from the "politics" and "power trips" in
> > this project. I have not spent my time on AB on the national or state
> > lists bashing other people. I have spent my time trying to find out how
> > the CC's of this project feel about issues. If the votes I have made
> > don't agree with your ideas and "politics" then maybe you should
> > understand that the majority of CC's in the SEMA Region don't agree with
> > your ideas and "politics".
> >
> > Linda Blum-Barton
> > SEMA CC Rep
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim Stowell [mailto:tstowell@chattanooga.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 10:37 AM
> > To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: [GAGEN] and on another list
> >
> >
> > I recieved a note from the ASC, who took me to task for comments I made
> > last night in a post to this list. Apparently they were taken
> > personally as an attack on her reply to my questions. It was not meant
> > to be personal
> > - and for that I apologize.
> >
> > My comments were directed to and about the absolute uselessness of
> > politics in this Project. That folks who would rather remain true to
> > the mission of our founder - putting data online freely for visitors
> > should be subject to all the blather of politics is a sad shame.
> >
> > Having a NC/AB does not further, does not add one iota of data online to
> > assist visitors. Anything that does not promote, assist the county
> > coordinators is extra weight.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------via webmail----
> > Tim Stowell tstowell(a)chattanooga.net
> >
> >
> > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't
> > hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find
> > info on your region visit
> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't
> > hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find
> > info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html
> >
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't
> hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find
> info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve
> the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching
> their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals
> with just this type of research. Please refer them to:
> http://www.adoption.org
--
Thomas (Tom) Hammack, Jr.
Gulfport, Mississippi
W4WLF
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