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Happy Hanukkah!
MK Harrison
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Barrow County, GA
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
- George W Bush (5 August 2004 in Washington, D. C.)
Merry Christmas everyone,
I would like to offer one very special Christmas present to someone. We
Wish you all a very merry Christmas and a wonderful, peaceful and healthy
2005.
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Hello, all,
Pattie Causey is giving up the Jackson County site for adoption, due to the
ill health of her mother. If you know of anyone who would like to adopt the
county, please let me know.
Vivian
I personally like the look of the logo though the points about the stars and
the fact that it's missing some states seem to be very valid points. I also
agree that we could use a new "official" logo. However I think this should
be opened up as a vote for the membership and we should allow other very
talented people to submit some of their works for consideration.
Having this one accepted simply because it matches the current page design is
not a good idea. So when they revamp the national page in another year or
do we then have to accept another new matching logo?
Just my two cents.
Debra Crosby
I have been one of the ones screaming for years that
we should have a new logo.
When the present one was approved, there was a call
for everyone to submit a design. We had a vote and the
present one was approved.
The former "alternative logo" was approved by the AB
without any input from the membership. The designer
was on the AB at that time.
Once that alternative was approved, calls for a new
logo fell on deaf ears, since if you didn't like the
explosion, you could go with the bird. Once the bird
was withdrawn, there was a renewed interest in a new
logo.
This alternative logo was designed at the behest of
the AB without any input from the membership.
If there is going to be a change of logo, it should be
with an open invitation to the membership to submit
designs and a vote of the membership, not the AB.
If this alternative logo is approved, you will be
stuck with it until the cows come home.
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I have no problem with the new alternate logo. But I do think the entire
membership deserves a vote on it and that a contest should be held to allow
other talented graphic artists to submit possible logos.
I also agree with whoever posted that the name on the logo should be change
from The USGENWEB PROJECT to The USGenWeb Project in order to match the
official name of the project. After all -- if one of the complaints against
Tim was the mismatch with the name of the GAGenWeb and what was on the logo
-- then surely the national project should be held to the same standard.
Jacki
Ron,
There is no one logo that will satisfy all CCs. I personally do like
people who are offended by anything when it comes to forcing the
majority to kowtow to the minority. So what. Big deal. There's a flag on
the logo. Oh my let me take some medicine so I don't offend someone.
In this instance, the majority will prevail, I hope. I know they will
should a contest be held.
In my own little non-PC world,
Keith
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron & Kathy [mailto:rkeason@comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 8:39 PM
> To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [GAGEN] AB Vote on Acceptance of Logo
>
>
> Personally I like the new logo.
> It presents itself well and appears very well crafted.
> There is no denying it is a good looking logo.
>
> But for the sake of ALL CC's, I am not convinced
> that it is the best choice as a mandated replacement.
> I do agree that the original logo is outdated and could
> use an update. And it would seem that the designer
> of the new logo might be able to create something that
> would appeal to everyone equally.
>
> The biggest issue I see is the problem already mentioned
> by some on the ALL list that the new logo goes against
> their sense of pride of the flag as our national symbol.
> In that text I would tend to agree. I think that we must
> take in to account the time we live in and the situation
> that our nation is in and the possibility of offense to some
> who revere the flag as sacred. That is something that,
> although we are not responsible for the reactions of others,
> we should respect, given our goals of reaching the masses who
> for the love of history, family and country, typically are
> very patriotic and disdain any distortion of our symbols of
> pride and heritage.
>
> I think having a new logo would be in order, but for
> the sake of satisfying all CC's as well as the users and
> contributors, it is my opinion that something using the full
> image of the flag or the USA bearing some other image would
> probably be better accepted by all.
>
> Julie did a spectacular job, and those logos are great,
> but if it was within my decision making ability I would be
> asking her to please offer some other ideas that reflect her
> awesome talent.
>
> Ron
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith Giddeon" <keithgiddeon(a)cox.net>
> To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 2:43 PM
> Subject: RE: [GAGEN] AB Vote on Acceptance of Logo
>
>
> > I like the new logo design and wish to see it permanently
> replace the
> > existing logos as the only official logo. I agree that USGW
> needs to
> > maintain a consistent "brand" and this new logo is the
> image to use in
> > my opinion. "Exploding St. Louis" is too amateurish (no
> offense meant
> > to anyone) and really reflects badly on our organization.
> > I know the board has yet to complete their vote, but I
> already have this
> > logo on my Wilkes County site--as it appears as a much more
> professional
> > looking representative image.
> >
> > --Keith
> > > as an acceptable alternative for use on your USGenWeb pages.
> > > http://www.mcgrewfamily.com/usgw.html
>
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Hi all,
In the beginning I did like the "new" logo, it has grown on me. For it work on my pages, I had to change the background colors. I'm sure others may have experienced similar problems. It is possible that the additional logo would work with some pages much better than others.
One other thought, with the US being so patatroic at this point in time many visitors may enjoy the change in logo. I wouldn't recommend many more choices as it will be confusing to those that visit our sites.
kemis
CC Chattahoochee, Clayton, and Muscogee Counties
Original message:
The advisory board of The USGenWeb Project is currently considering the
acceptance of the logos located at this page as an acceptable
alternative for use on your USGenWeb pages.
http://www.mcgrewfamily.com/usgw.html
I'd like to hear how you feel about this issue, so please take a moment
and let me know if you agree with this logo being used as an alternate
to the current logo for the project. This vote would not replace the
existing logo, but add these as alternatives for your use.
Thank you,
Linda Blum-Barton
SEMA CC Rep
LOL - I knew what you meant! lol
Also, just to update. I don't think it's uncommon to change logo designs
from time to time.
Beth
----- Original Message -----
From: <MFLP(a)aol.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] AB Vote on Acceptance of Logo
> In a message dated 12/7/04 5:48:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, MFLP(a)aol.com
> writes:
>> Permission to forward given.
>> Donna P.
>
> Also to change tweal to tweak
>
> Donna
>
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I really like this logo - it ties in nicely with the look of the USGenWeb
site and it much more professional looking than the current one (didn't
someone refer to it as 'exploding St. Loius' lol).
Is the vote this one or the old one? or will there be other options? Also,
will there be a change over altogether - or will either logo be approved to
use?
Thanks to whoever is doing all the work on this!
Beth
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Barton" <lab(a)boone.net>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 9:32 AM
Subject: [GAGEN] AB Vote on Acceptance of Logo
> The advisory board of The USGenWeb Project is currently considering the
> acceptance of the logos located at this page as an acceptable
> alternative for use on your USGenWeb pages.
> http://www.mcgrewfamily.com/usgw.html
>
> I'd like to hear how you feel about this issue, so please take a moment
> and let me know if you agree with this logo being used as an alternate
> to the current logo for the project. This vote would not replace the
> existing logo, but add these as alternatives for your use.
>
> Thank you,
> Linda Blum-Barton
> SEMA CC Rep
>
>
>
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>
>
I agree with Keith on this one... much more professional look to it.
Lorraine
aka Sunny
At 02:43 PM 12/7/2004, you wrote:
>I like the new logo design and wish to see it permanently replace the
>existing logos as the only official logo.
>I agree that USGW needs to maintain a consistent "brand" and this new
>logo is the image to use in my opinion.
>"Exploding St. Louis" is too amateurish (no offense meant to anyone) and
>really reflects badly on our organization.
>I know the board has yet to complete their vote, but I already have this
>logo on my Wilkes County site--as it appears as a much more professional
>looking representative image.
I believe we need an alternative to the current dated-looking logo which resembles an exploding Kansas City (or some have said St. Louis). Most companies update their logos or their packaging from time to time, and I think it's time for USGenWeb to update theirs. The present logo looks amateurish by today's standards. We can do better - even if it is only cleaning up and sharpening colors and so forth of the present one.
Lori Thornton
Lori Thornton
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I have to agree with Keith. We need a new one to replace the Exploding St. Louis one and the new one looks good to me.
Ed
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From: "Keith Giddeon" <keithgiddeon(a)cox.net>
Date: 2004/12/07 Tue PM 02:43:08 EST
To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: [GAGEN] AB Vote on Acceptance of Logo
I like the new logo design and wish to see it permanently replace the
existing logos as the only official logo.
I agree that USGW needs to maintain a consistent "brand" and this new
logo is the image to use in my opinion.
"Exploding St. Louis" is too amateurish (no offense meant to anyone) and
really reflects badly on our organization.
I know the board has yet to complete their vote, but I already have this
logo on my Wilkes County site--as it appears as a much more professional
looking representative image.
--Keith
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda Barton [mailto:lab@boone.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 8:32 AM
> To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [GAGEN] AB Vote on Acceptance of Logo
>
>
> The advisory board of The USGenWeb Project is currently
> considering the acceptance of the logos located at this page
> as an acceptable alternative for use on your USGenWeb pages.
> http://www.mcgrewfamily.com/usgw.html
>
> I'd like to hear how
> you feel about this issue, so please take a moment and let me
> know if you agree with this logo being used as an alternate
> to the current logo for the project. This vote would not
> replace the existing logo, but add these as alternatives for your use.
>
> Thank you,
> Linda Blum-Barton
> SEMA CC Rep
>
>
>
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In a message dated 12/7/04 5:48:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, MFLP(a)aol.com
writes:
> Permission to forward given.
> Donna P.
Also to change tweal to tweak
Donna
One logo would mean that everyone would know they were on a USGenWeb page
when they opened it.
Companies in the past have changed their logos either for economy of printing
or sign painting or to "tweal" the image.
I would suggest a message board for all members to post their suggestions,
comments or strong feelings for a period of one month, then let the AB make the
decision. They are the elected representatives of the membership.
Permission to forward given.
Donna P.
In a message dated 12/7/04 1:53:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, lab(a)boone.net
writes:
> That said, my job as a CC Representative to AB is to represent the
> majority opinion of the CC's in SEMA Region, not my opinion. I can only
> do that based on responses I receive to inquiries such as this.
Deborah & all,
The NC asked the designer of the new USGenWeb site
http://www.usgenweb.net/ to come up with a design of a logo for The
USGenWeb Project incorporating the artwork used on those pages because
requests had come in to the NC and AB members to use the design as a
logo (which it isn't). The logo suggestions at the url I sent through
are an answer to that request.
When the AB considered a logo contest last year because of the number of
requests received for a new fresher looking logo for the project, there
was considerable support for a contest but there were also quite a few
people who stated they would not change to any new logo proposed. As a
group, we do receive quite a few requests concerning the logo being
changed.
If the project changed the logo to a new, single design I believe it
would require a vote of the entire membership. After the revocation of
the permission to use the millenium logo with the eagle recently, more
requests for an alternative have come in. I believe these designs are a
result of those requests.
There have been many different comments on this issue. At this point,
there are quite a few SEMA CC's who are ready to change to these,if they
are approved. There are those who would prefer to see a contest with
new parameters set for the design. There are those who believe there
should only be one logo to choose from, with some variations in size,
shape, colors, etc. There are those who believe an alternate logo
should not be approved by the AB, but only through a vote of the entire
membership. Past precedent has already accepted alternatives by a vote
of the AB, as opposed to the entire membership.
In addition, if this motion passes, it will not be a requirement to
change to this logo - it is an alternate only.
Personally, I believe the identity of the project would be best
represented by one logo being used across the project. I believe there
is room for size, shape, color variations to be included in that design
to accommodate web site hosts. I would have supported a logo contest but
the issues that came up surrounding that idea were many and I believe a
committee or the AB would need to approve a number of submissions and
present them for a vote to the membership. It could become quite
unwieldy to present 50 logo designs to be voted on by the entire
membership and it is possible that not one of them would prevail with a
majority because of the numbers involved.
That said, my job as a CC Representative to AB is to represent the
majority opinion of the CC's in SEMA Region, not my opinion. I can only
do that based on responses I receive to inquiries such as this.
Thanks to everyone who has responded!
Linda Blum-Barton
SEMA CC Rep
-----Original Message-----
From: D W Byrd [mailto:dwbyrd@ldsliving.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:47 PM
To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com; lab(a)boone.net
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] AB Vote on Acceptance of Logo
Why do we need a new Logo? I must have missed something. Was the
copywrite use removed from Genweb?
Deborah Byrd
----- Original Message -----
From: Linda Barton [mailto:lab@boone.net]
Sent: 12/7/2004 6:32:17 AM
To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [GAGEN] AB Vote on Acceptance of Logo
The advisory board of The USGenWeb Project is currently considering the
acceptance of the logos located at this page as an acceptable
alternative for use on your USGenWeb pages.
http://www.mcgrewfamily.com/usgw.html
I'd like to hear how you feel about this issue, so please take a moment
and let me know if you agree with this logo being used as an alternate
to the current logo for the project. This vote would not replace the
existing logo, but add these as alternatives for your use.
Thank you,
Linda Blum-Barton
SEMA CC Rep
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I like the new logo design and wish to see it permanently replace the
existing logos as the only official logo.
I agree that USGW needs to maintain a consistent "brand" and this new
logo is the image to use in my opinion.
"Exploding St. Louis" is too amateurish (no offense meant to anyone) and
really reflects badly on our organization.
I know the board has yet to complete their vote, but I already have this
logo on my Wilkes County site--as it appears as a much more professional
looking representative image.
--Keith
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda Barton [mailto:lab@boone.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 8:32 AM
> To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [GAGEN] AB Vote on Acceptance of Logo
>
>
> The advisory board of The USGenWeb Project is currently
> considering the acceptance of the logos located at this page
> as an acceptable alternative for use on your USGenWeb pages.
> http://www.mcgrewfamily.com/usgw.html
>
> I'd like to hear how
> you feel about this issue, so please take a moment and let me
> know if you agree with this logo being used as an alternate
> to the current logo for the project. This vote would not
> replace the existing logo, but add these as alternatives for your use.
>
> Thank you,
> Linda Blum-Barton
> SEMA CC Rep
>
>
>
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