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Here's another great resource (which may be common knowledge). Tom Blake's slave data
includes largest slave holders in 1860, and matching surnames in the 1870 Census for many
southeastern counties.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Eajac/
Pat Sabin
Gwinnnett Co
----- Original Message -----
From: "Virginia Crilley" <varcsix(a)hot.rr.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:50 AM
Subject: [GAGEN] African-American info
> I think that some of you in GA have a link for David Paterson's excellent
> page on Court research for African Americans.
>
> I would recommend it as an additional to any of your African-American
> Research pages.
>
> He has revised this and asked that all of the links be changed to:
> http://www.afrigeneas.com/library/slaves_georgia.html
>
> (At one time I had this on the Upson page, and I believe it was also on the
> Pike page which some of you may have been linked to.
>
> David was recently awarded the "Award for Excellence in Research Using the
> Holdings of an Archives" category. This award is giving tghe the Georgia
> Historical Records Advisory Board.
>
> Virginia
>
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I think that some of you in GA have a link for David Paterson's excellent
page on Court research for African Americans.
I would recommend it as an additional to any of your African-American
Research pages.
He has revised this and asked that all of the links be changed to:
http://www.afrigeneas.com/library/slaves_georgia.html
(At one time I had this on the Upson page, and I believe it was also on the
Pike page which some of you may have been linked to.
David was recently awarded the "Award for Excellence in Research Using the
Holdings of an Archives" category. This award is giving tghe the Georgia
Historical Records Advisory Board.
Virginia
Virginia,
I get asked that question so often about Forsyth County that I made a page
about it several years ago.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaforsyt/records/courthouse.html
Donna
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Virginia Crilley [mailto:varcsix@hot.rr.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 4:06 PM
> > To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: [GAGEN] Courthouses destroyed
> >
> >
> > I've had this list on my Taylor County page for a while, and
> > wondered if
> > anyone knew of any corrections or updates. It would be nice
> > to know if ALL
> > records were destroyed or only specific ones.
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Wyndell, good things are always worth waiting for. I am learning so much
from the experience of others. I am going to try to secure the 1822 -1823
deed records for Monroe County and go through that to try to determine those
that were purchased. Like you say, this may be too large a project but I
want to investigate it to see if the information would be helpful to
researchers.
Thanks for your comments.
Liz Robertson
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From: "Wyndell Taylor" <gagenie(a)bellsouth.net>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Land Lottery Drawers
> At 03:16 PM 10/26/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>>Is there any way of knowing if the lots drawn in the Land Lotteries were
>>actually purchased by the participants. I suppose the next census would
>>confirm some of them and, of course, go back to 1821 to the land deeds.
>>Any
>>other ideas?
>
> Liz, as usual I am late getting into the conversation, and you have
> received several answers. While doing the seven books I did on the Land
> Records of Cherokee County Georgia, I did some research back into the
> grants for the lots. The list of fortunate drawers have been published,
> and some county deed records have been published, but the grants
> themselves
> have never been published. I looked at doing that. A huge project. <g>
> If my memory severs me correctly there are over 1000 rolls of microfilm
> covering this subject.
>
> As pointed out many people who won the lottery draw did not have the money
> to secure the grant. An $18 fee was needed. A lot of money in the 1830's
> and 1840's. Many people sold their draw to speculators, or to others who
> could afford the fee. In the 1850's all lots that were not granted out
> were auctioned off by the state. These are in the records also.
>
> Hope I haven't been to long winded or late with a response.
>
>
> Wyndell Taylor
>
>>
>>
>>Liz Robertson
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>>CC Haralson Co. GAGenWeb
>>CC Monroe Co. GAGenWeb
>>CC MCHS
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Hello, all,
As I already reported, the USGenWeb millenium (eagle) logo is no longer an
authorized logo for display on our pages. This logo MUST be removed by 1
Nov. 2004.
I am pleased to report that most of us have removed the logo, but there are
still a few sites where the eagle flies.
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Please take a minute to get this done. If you have already done so...
Thanks!
Vivian
At 03:16 PM 10/26/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Is there any way of knowing if the lots drawn in the Land Lotteries were
>actually purchased by the participants. I suppose the next census would
>confirm some of them and, of course, go back to 1821 to the land deeds. Any
>other ideas?
Liz, as usual I am late getting into the conversation, and you have
received several answers. While doing the seven books I did on the Land
Records of Cherokee County Georgia, I did some research back into the
grants for the lots. The list of fortunate drawers have been published,
and some county deed records have been published, but the grants themselves
have never been published. I looked at doing that. A huge project. <g>
If my memory severs me correctly there are over 1000 rolls of microfilm
covering this subject.
As pointed out many people who won the lottery draw did not have the money
to secure the grant. An $18 fee was needed. A lot of money in the 1830's
and 1840's. Many people sold their draw to speculators, or to others who
could afford the fee. In the 1850's all lots that were not granted out
were auctioned off by the state. These are in the records also.
Hope I haven't been to long winded or late with a response.
Wyndell Taylor
>
>
>Liz Robertson
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>CC Haralson Co. GAGenWeb
>CC Monroe Co. GAGenWeb
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Thank all of you for sharing your experience, thoughts and ideas. I am
keeping these notes for further reference. This may or may not be a project
I can complete any time soon.
Liz
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From: "Virginia Crilley" <varcsix(a)hot.rr.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Land Lottery Drawers
> That's a very good tip Joy..
>
> the newspapers (the main one for that area) would have listed these then,
> and usually the auction was right in the Courthouse Steps -- or at least
> the deeds read that way. And they probably followed the same rules about
> running the announcement in the paper for several weeks.
>
> Now, if we could just figure out if the Deed book listed them under the
> State's name --- or the Sheriff's name or just how. The grantor would be
> the one who bought it of course, but I've not found anything that way
> either. (And every County Clerk probably followed his own rules about
> this!)
>
> I've also run across deeds on microfilm that were never listed on the
> Index in the front of the book!
>
>
>
> At 01:12 PM 10/26/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>>The Irwin Co. list I am transcribing says the lucky
>>drawers had a certain length of time to claim their
>>winnings. After that time the land "reverted" back to
>>the state and the land was auctioned off to the
>>highest bidder at a public auction in the region.
>>
>>This list does show which were the lucky folks that
>>did claim the land and which lots were purchased at
>>auction.
>>
>>--- Virginia Crilley <varcsix(a)hot.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Liz,
>> > There are sometimes "notes" at the back of some of
>> > the Lottery Lists
>> > (published books or microfilm) which indicate the
>> > word "grant" in regard to
>> > the specific land lot. The State Archives in
>> > Atlanta has films that do
>> > contain this wording.
>> >
>> > This means that the person who drew did not follow
>> > through with the fee,
>> > and the State then "granted" it to an individual.
>> > (I don't really know how
>> > they made the decision on this grant though)
>> >
>> > Many times in the deeds for the Land when it was
>> > sold, there will be a note
>> > included, stating, "drawn by, etc, etc." or
>> > "granted to, etc etc"
>> >
>> > I'm transcribing deeds for Taylor Co, and I've seen
>> > lots of these
>> > deeds. Sometimes (like in the case of the orphans),
>> > the land distributed
>> > in 1827, wasn't even sold until 1856 or so. (Well,
>> > I should say sometimes,
>> > it wasn't "recorded" until then)
>> >
>> > I'm interested in this subject because I have
>> > several ancestors who were in
>> > Taylor County (actually Talbot and Marion before
>> > Taylor was formed) who
>> > didn't draw any lots....but have the land very early
>> > on, and I can't find
>> > any deed for how they got it!! I've never had the
>> > opportunity to check in
>> > Muscogee just in case they quickly purchased the
>> > land before the division
>> > into the other counties.
>> >
>> >
>> > At 03:16 PM 10/26/2004 -0400, lrober wrote:
>> >
>> > >Is there any way of knowing if the lots drawn in
>> > the Land Lotteries were
>> > >actually purchased by the participants. I suppose
>> > the next census would
>> > >confirm some of them and, of course, go back to
>> > 1821 to the land
>> > >deeds. Any other ideas?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Liz Robertson
>> > >CC Carroll Co. GAGenWeb
>> > >CC Haralson Co. GAGenWeb
>> > >CC Monroe Co. GAGenWeb
>> > >CC MCHS
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Just checking in with White County GA. It has really been nice to be a part
of GAGenWeb!
I'm starting to get some submissions but the best part is that I've asked a
few questions on White & Habersham lists and folks just jumped to help me!
(with my family)
I've got a lady going to library tonight to make copies of 1870 White census
to help with that. Yeah! I needed it.
I found with another very quiet county I took over a while back that
sometimes it takes a few months before folks will come forward with data or
volunteer..........and they are answering 3 month old messages! So that
taught me patience.
Anyway, many more thanks to Donna Parrish for supplying me with so much for
the new site!
Hope you all have seen the "Crumley Letters".
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gawhite/letters/crumley/index.htm Jeanne Arguelles
was SO nice to send to me from her site! They give such a good history of
the Civil War from a White County man's view.
But for anyone interested there are more census transcriptions on line for
White County at http://www.rootsweb.com/~gawhite/census/index.htm
Hope to continue doing more with the county.
Vicki
As you know, I mostly work with Forsyth County which was part of the 1832
Lottery for Cherokee County. Some of the lots "reverted" and then went to thers.
This info is at the State Archives.
In some cases, the people sold their chances in the lottery before the draw.
For Cherokee County (now a lot more counties) some of these transfers are
recorded in the First Deed Book of Forsyth County (because of the rules for the
next split - another story).
In some cases, as soon as people had drawn, they were levied on by people
they owed money to. Then the lots were sold by the Sheriff on the Courtthouse
steps of the County where the land was. These are in the Deed Books, but in some
counties are indexed under Sheriff or under the Sheriff's name.
Donna
In a message dated 10/26/04 3:17:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
lrober(a)plantationcable.net writes:
> Is there any way of knowing if the lots drawn in the Land Lotteries were
> actually purchased by the participants. I suppose the next census would
> confirm some of them and, of course, go back to 1821 to the land deeds.
Any
>
> other ideas?
>
>
> Liz Robertson
The Georgia Archives website has some info on locating lottery grants:
http://www.sos.state.ga.us/archives/rs/lotteries.htm
I looked up a few when I was there once... it was a several-step process,
and I can't remember exactly how I did it, but the archivists there were
very helpful and got me started.
Jeanne
>
> Is there any way of knowing if the lots drawn in the Land Lotteries were
> actually purchased by the participants. I suppose the next census would
> confirm some of them and, of course, go back to 1821 to the land deeds.
Any
> other ideas?
>
>
> Liz Robertson
> CC Carroll Co. GAGenWeb
> CC Haralson Co. GAGenWeb
> CC Monroe Co. GAGenWeb
> CC MCHS
>
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Is there any way of knowing if the lots drawn in the Land Lotteries were
actually purchased by the participants. I suppose the next census would
confirm some of them and, of course, go back to 1821 to the land deeds. Any
other ideas?
Liz Robertson
CC Carroll Co. GAGenWeb
CC Haralson Co. GAGenWeb
CC Monroe Co. GAGenWeb
CC MCHS
I've had this list on my Taylor County page for a while, and wondered if
anyone knew of any corrections or updates. It would be nice to know if ALL
records were destroyed or only specific ones.
State of Georgia, Dept. of Archives & History
County - Dates of occurrences (Not all records involved)
Baker County: Flood - 1925, 1929.
Baldwin County: Fire - 1861.
Bartow County: Originally Cass County. Courthouse destroyed by enemy fire
during War Between the States in the 1860's.
Bulloch County: Fire - 1864.
Burke County: Fire - 1825, 1856.
Calhoun County: Fire - 1888, 1920.
Carroll County: Fire - 1927.
Charlton County: County site then at Traders Hill. Destroyed by fire in
1877. Present site fire 19 February 1928.
Cherokee County: Fire - 1865, 1928.
Clayton County: Fire - 1864.
Clinch County: Fire - 1856, 1867.
Cobb County: Fire - 1864.
Coffee County: Fire - 1898, 1938.
Colquitt County: Fire - 1881.
Crawford County: Fire - 1829.
Dade County: Fire - 1865, 1895.
DeKalb County: Fire - 1842, 1898.
Dooly County: Fire - 1847.
Douglas County: Fire - 1896, 1957.
Early County: Fire - 1896.
Echols County: Fire - 1897.
Emanuel County: Fire - 1841, 1855, 1857, 1919, 1938.
Forsyth County: Fire - 1973.
Glynn County: Storm - 1896.
Gordon County: Storm - 1888.
Greene County: Town burned by Indians in 1787.
Gwinnett County: Fire - 1871.
Habersham County: Fire - 1856. Blown up in 1898.
Hall County: Fire - 1851, 1882. Tornado in 1936.
Harris County: Set fire by Federal Troops in 1865, but quickly extinguished.
Hart County: Fire - 1900, 1967. Courthouse burned in 1967. Clerk &
Ordinary's Office in adjacent building.
Heard County: Fire - 1893.
Henry County: Fire - 1824. 1864 (Some records destroyed by Sherman's men.)
Jenkins County: Fire - 1919.
Lee County: Fire - 1856. County seat then at Starkville. Fire at Leesburg
in 1872.
Lowndes County: Fire - 1858, 1869.
Macon County: Fire - 1857.
Marion County: Fire - 1845.
McIntosh County: Fire - 1864, 1872, 1931.
Meriwether County: Cyclone - 3 March 1893. Fire - 1976.
Miller County: Fire - 1873, 1974.
Mitchell County: Fire - 1869.
Muscogee County: Fire - 1838.
Newton County: Fire - 1883.
Pickens County: Fire - 1947.
Pierce County: Fire - 1875.
Quitman County: Fire - 1920.
Screven County: Fire - 1860's, 1896.
Stewart County: Fire - 1922.
Talbot County: Fire - 1890.
Telfair County: Fire in the early 1900's.
Thomas County: Damaged by storm in 1849.
Toombs County: Fire - 1919.
Troup County: Mysterious fire 4 November 1936.
Twiggs County: Fire - 1901.
Union County: Fire - 1859.
Walker County: Fire - 1883.
Ware County: Fire - 1854.
Warren County: Fire - 1909.
Washington County: Fire - 1855, 1864 (Sherman).
Webster County: Fire - 1914.
Wheeler County: Fire - 1916.
Whitfield County: Fire - 1864 (Sherman).
Wilkes County: Fire - 1958.
Wilkinson County: Fire - 1829, 1854, 1864, 1924.
Worth County: Fire - 1879, 1893.
Liz,
There are sometimes "notes" at the back of some of the Lottery Lists
(published books or microfilm) which indicate the word "grant" in regard to
the specific land lot. The State Archives in Atlanta has films that do
contain this wording.
This means that the person who drew did not follow through with the fee,
and the State then "granted" it to an individual. (I don't really know how
they made the decision on this grant though)
Many times in the deeds for the Land when it was sold, there will be a note
included, stating, "drawn by, etc, etc." or "granted to, etc etc"
I'm transcribing deeds for Taylor Co, and I've seen lots of these
deeds. Sometimes (like in the case of the orphans), the land distributed
in 1827, wasn't even sold until 1856 or so. (Well, I should say sometimes,
it wasn't "recorded" until then)
I'm interested in this subject because I have several ancestors who were in
Taylor County (actually Talbot and Marion before Taylor was formed) who
didn't draw any lots....but have the land very early on, and I can't find
any deed for how they got it!! I've never had the opportunity to check in
Muscogee just in case they quickly purchased the land before the division
into the other counties.
At 03:16 PM 10/26/2004 -0400, lrober wrote:
>Is there any way of knowing if the lots drawn in the Land Lotteries were
>actually purchased by the participants. I suppose the next census would
>confirm some of them and, of course, go back to 1821 to the land
>deeds. Any other ideas?
>
>
>Liz Robertson
>CC Carroll Co. GAGenWeb
>CC Haralson Co. GAGenWeb
>CC Monroe Co. GAGenWeb
>CC MCHS
>
>
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The Irwin Co. list I am transcribing says the lucky
drawers had a certain length of time to claim their
winnings. After that time the land "reverted" back to
the state and the land was auctioned off to the
highest bidder at a public auction in the region.
This list does show which were the lucky folks that
did claim the land and which lots were purchased at
auction.
--- Virginia Crilley <varcsix(a)hot.rr.com> wrote:
> Liz,
> There are sometimes "notes" at the back of some of
> the Lottery Lists
> (published books or microfilm) which indicate the
> word "grant" in regard to
> the specific land lot. The State Archives in
> Atlanta has films that do
> contain this wording.
>
> This means that the person who drew did not follow
> through with the fee,
> and the State then "granted" it to an individual.
> (I don't really know how
> they made the decision on this grant though)
>
> Many times in the deeds for the Land when it was
> sold, there will be a note
> included, stating, "drawn by, etc, etc." or
> "granted to, etc etc"
>
> I'm transcribing deeds for Taylor Co, and I've seen
> lots of these
> deeds. Sometimes (like in the case of the orphans),
> the land distributed
> in 1827, wasn't even sold until 1856 or so. (Well,
> I should say sometimes,
> it wasn't "recorded" until then)
>
> I'm interested in this subject because I have
> several ancestors who were in
> Taylor County (actually Talbot and Marion before
> Taylor was formed) who
> didn't draw any lots....but have the land very early
> on, and I can't find
> any deed for how they got it!! I've never had the
> opportunity to check in
> Muscogee just in case they quickly purchased the
> land before the division
> into the other counties.
>
>
> At 03:16 PM 10/26/2004 -0400, lrober wrote:
>
> >Is there any way of knowing if the lots drawn in
> the Land Lotteries were
> >actually purchased by the participants. I suppose
> the next census would
> >confirm some of them and, of course, go back to
> 1821 to the land
> >deeds. Any other ideas?
> >
> >
> >Liz Robertson
> >CC Carroll Co. GAGenWeb
> >CC Haralson Co. GAGenWeb
> >CC Monroe Co. GAGenWeb
> >CC MCHS
> >
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Virginia,
Try these two references.
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Donna
In a message dated 10/24/04 5:49:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
varcsix(a)hot.rr.com writes:
> I'm interested in this list and why it was created in 1883. Usually there
> is a reason behind Census. Does anyone know or does anyone have the
actual
> Federal legislation for these pensions? From the dates, many of the
> pensions were granted "before" 1883.
Kemis and Vivian,
Changing the email address is a great idea. We switched ISPs awhile ago and
it completely eliminated 98% of our spam. Our ISP was not filtering at all,
so I started using a program called Mailwasher and I clear a lot of the "not
a subscriber" spam out, without downloading it.
With Mailwasher, you see who is sending the email and some of the "not a
subscriber" emails have names like "salacious delicous" or "Naughtyboy"
which you can blacklist immediately.
It will also tag suspected spam, but you need to review it because sometimes
Rootsweb mail is there and finally because you see file sizes, you check
emails that are 39.2 or 41.3 to see if they are viruses. You simply don't
download them.
As for Rootsweb, its a good idea to go to Password Central
If you think you may have gotten bounced from a Rootsweb list, you can go to
Password Central and enter your email address. Then you will know which
lists you are currently on or adminster to ensure you changeover for all
your lists.
http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/
Lastly, it is possible to get Rootsweb mail to go into a separate folder,
from other mail by using "rules" in your email options.
Best of luck
Gaila