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Congratulations to you, too, Donna.
Vivian Price Saffold
Meriwether County
At 10:40 PM 5/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>I had a new great grandson this afternoon at 2 o'clock.
>Born in Cartersville GA.
>My grandson graduated tonight in Hall County.
>
>I have been thru about 60 Ga Counties this week. Long week.
>
>Donna
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3570 Hildon Circle
Chamblee, GA 30341
How wonderful Donna! You must be very pleased. Congratualations to you and
your family. What a week!
Sharon Driver Wright
I had a new great grandson this afternoon at 2 o'clock.
Born in Cartersville GA.
My grandson graduated tonight in Hall County.
I have been thru about 60 Ga Counties this week. Long week.
Donna
I had a new great grandson this afternoon at 2 o'clock.
Born in Cartersville GA.
My grandson graduated tonight in Hall County.
I have been thru about 60 Ga Counties this week. Long week.
Donna
Hi ya'll,
I've been going through checking my links and I need assistance with "page not found" due to attempting to locate a PDF file.
On http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamuscog/ftbenn.htm there is a section that says: "Click for Ft. Benning Map This map is large so it may load slowly." This file is run through Adobe because of being a pdf file. Once upon a time it would open slowly, now page not found. Has anyone encountered this type problem and how did you solve it?
Thanks,
kemis
Congratulations Christine.
Bill Clody
Walker County CC
NWGA RC
> Hi Everyone,
> I am the cc for Calhoun county, Georgia. We had an unexpected C-section
with the birth of our son. I will be out of > commission for a short time
for recovery.
>
> thanks
> Christine Martin
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How wonderful...we are very happy for you and your husband and glad that
your doing fine...Gloria and John Holback..
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From: "Christine Martin" <christinesoffemartin(a)hotmail.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 6:40 PM
Subject: [GAGEN] New Addition
> Hi Everyone,
> I am the cc for Calhoun county, Georgia. Just to let you all know that I
> just got home today from the hospital. I have been there since Monday
> night.
>
> We had an unexpected C-section with the birth of our son. I will be out
of
> commission for a short time for recovery.
>
> Please be patient if I do not respond to emails right away.
>
> thanks
> Christine Martin
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Hi Everyone,
I am the cc for Calhoun county, Georgia. Just to let you all know that I
just got home today from the hospital. I have been there since Monday
night.
We had an unexpected C-section with the birth of our son. I will be out of
commission for a short time for recovery.
Please be patient if I do not respond to emails right away.
thanks
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After many years of work, Scott Warren is giving up Jasper County. He's
been on our "team" for as long as I can remember, and I really hated to
lose him from West Central Region. He is keeping his other counties though,
so he'll still be a big part of GAGenWeb.
We're delighted that Suzanne Forte , who has worked closely with him over
the years, is taking on the challenge of being CC for Jasper.
If you've done any research in Jasper county, I know you've seen her many
contributions and know what a delight she is to work with.
I've told her that this list is very helpful to all first time CCs....and I
hope you neighboring county folk will especially extend a warm welcome to
her. I often think that those who are newest at being a CC, can be the
most helpful because you just went through it!!
The URL for Jasper is not changing.
I don't think Tim has had a chance to add her name to this list, so please
welcome her privately.
Sforte3(a)cs.com
Virginia Crilley
Tim, we are praying for you both...John and Gloria
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell(a)chattanooga.net>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 4:13 AM
Subject: [GAGEN] the ER
> Just wanted you folks to know - I'm still alive.
>
> I had to take my wife to the ER on Thursday - spent 7 long hours there.
> Came home exhausted and hit the bed. Of course going to bed so early I
> awoke at midnight and am trying to wade through nearly 400 emails.
>
> I hope to be back in the loop sometime tomorrow - unless my wife's
> situation changes.
>
> Tim
>
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Sorry to hear about your wife. Hope she is feeling better.
Vivian Price Saffold
Meriwether County
At 04:13 AM 5/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Just wanted you folks to know - I'm still alive.
>
>I had to take my wife to the ER on Thursday - spent 7 long hours there.
>Came home exhausted and hit the bed. Of course going to bed so early I
>awoke at midnight and am trying to wade through nearly 400 emails.
>
>I hope to be back in the loop sometime tomorrow - unless my wife's
>situation changes.
>
>Tim
>
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3570 Hildon Circle
Chamblee, GA 30341
Just wanted you folks to know - I'm still alive.
I had to take my wife to the ER on Thursday - spent 7 long hours there.
Came home exhausted and hit the bed. Of course going to bed so early I
awoke at midnight and am trying to wade through nearly 400 emails.
I hope to be back in the loop sometime tomorrow - unless my wife's
situation changes.
Tim
In a message dated 5/23/03 1:07:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
john2936(a)comcast.net writes:
<< sorry but believe the time for guidelines submissions ended the
21st...Gloria >>
Jeff's suggestion was dated the 19th.
Donna
The records that I suggest folks place online would be those which are prior
to 1900....the ones where we can't easily find in an obit or by a death or
birth certificate...and the records which do not pertain to anyone of this
generation but about three generations back...and don't think there would be
many of those who would speak out against being mentioned online and if they
did...I am running the other way as fast as I can. <smile> So I can easily
see why some records could cause problems just as I was against posting
recent obituaries on some mail list that I host (non USGenWeb/GAGenWeb mail
list). When I post record it is about someone who is deceased and if their
family have provided information that they do not mind being on the WWW then
I might include that but in most cases (speaking from the view point of a
former professional genealogist) the records we need to place online are the
"old" records....Going to the meaning of genealogy...and using Webster's
Ninth Collegiate Dictionary: Ancestor-one from whom a person is descended
and who is usually more remote than in the line of descent than a
grandparent...since I am sixty years old that would go back to my great
grandparents...who would have been dead by the 1940s...and if it were a
person in their 70s or 80s doing the research then it would go back to their
great grandparents putting it back to the 1850s-1930s.....and for those who
are new to genealogy and whose great grandparents were born circa 1880s turn
of the century...you most likely know who they were and want to know more
about who the earlier generation was so that pretty much leaves out those
after say the 1950s...unless they were blessed with a very long life...also
as a former professional genealogist there were times when I crossed the
line into professional investigator/detective research which is a grey area
and one that I did not tred on lightly...it was very risky when researching
living people and also reporting any findings...but I did manage to help
find one man's natural father's military folder and was also able to help
him find his fathers merchant marine and US Coast Guard Folders which had
actual photographs of a father whom he had never seen who was killed during
the second world war...so that was a joy...and I waved all commissions and
offered my time and all as a gift...as I did in many other research projects
that I took on..I always gave at least 150%...to my clients...but I made
some lifelong friends during the process....and in one case found a distant
cousin...who was my client..you never know where you research will take
you...and don't ever mistreat anyone as you might be mistreating your own
cousins...just a suggestion to those of you who are too fast to label folks
who have a differing view as an enemy...not the case at all.. So getting
back to what you said...about the reasons we must first obtain permission to
use any film or fiche we must first contact the folks at the LDS main
library...The address is:
Kathy Warburton
Copyright Coordinator
Family and Church History Department
50 East North Temple Street
Floor 5
Salt Lake City, Utah 84150
Mary Kathryn, thanks for all the help but I decided to talk with the Copy
Coordinator in Salt Lake City, Utah and she advised me about the agreement
that LDS has made each time they copy/film records and that in order for any
of us to be able to index that or whatever we must first contact the LDS
Copyright Coordinator so she can check their agreement and see if it states
the material can not be indexed or such..if it is allowed and there is no
restriction then we would be allowed to use the material for non profit use
on our pages. As she stated the Church is not here to keep us from having
access or allowing others to have access to records but they must follow the
agreements that they must honor...but it was pleasant to learn that we can
write and request that the Copyright Coordinator check the film/fiche and
see if the agreement that was signed allows others to index and use the
material for non profit use...So that is from the main library in Utah...and
there is a page where there is a statement/instructions/information which
tells anyone to contact the LDS Copyright Coordinator in the event there is
something that anyone wants to use other than for their own personal
use...sorry but could not find the page which she told me about at the LDS
site so will wait till she returns my second call to her...requesting the
url for that statement/instructions...but a letter to her is the way to see
if one can use the materials from fiche and film. So all is not lost and I
don't have to tell everyone to go to the National Archives for Census Films
and to the State Archives for County and State Records...And I am writing a
letter to her to request permission to use the abstracted cemetery records
for some Georgia Counties.. .....Now I feel better in telling folks to use
the LDS facilities...as they have always been so wonderful to go to and the
volunteers are very helpful...and will show you how to find the county films
on the locality or subject index or the Library Catalog Index...and they
will also help you to place your order for the film loan and then when it
comes in they will show you how to use their readers/copiers...and they are
a great bunch of people to meet...many of my best friends work in LDS
libraries...and are great folks...if they don't know the questions...they
will find it out for you...Gloria
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Kathryn Kozy" <mkozy(a)attglobal.net>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Re: Commercial use of the County sites...
> Gloria -
>
> I don't believe it applies to things like the census (which after all, are
> available from NARA, online, etc.), as the LDS films aren't your only
> source. Potentially, you could get that data from a number of sources, and
> I believe that once NARA releases that information it is generally
> considered in the public domain (hence the 72-year release restriction).
>
> You are able to use the LDS microfilms for personal research purposes and
> even for clients (you, after all, are doing their personal research for
> them). Using the FHL's census or other records in the pursuit of data
> concerning your own or a client's records (and citing them as such) is not
> what I'm talking about here.
>
> What I'm talking about ordering a film and indexing whole sets of records
> and publishing them on our GenWeb sites. For the most part, I don't think
> the Family History Dept. has a problem with this. They simply ask that you
> check with them to verify that they don't have any agreements with the
> donor of the data (which are unknown to you as the user of the microfilm)
> that might restrict your ability to do this (or their ability to allow it
> under these legal agreements). Think about it... The LDS Church has gotten
> permission to film whole sets of records from different churches,
> individuals, public entities, etc. These are each individual agreements,
> and if nothing else, it is a courtesy that we make sure we aren't
violating
> any of those agreements they have with the donors of the records.
>
> It was something I was not made aware of until very recently, and I doubt
> it was much of an issue up til now with the advent of the Internet and
> genealogy online. One example that might make this a little clearer is
that
> I am currently researching my husband's lines in some Polish Catholic
> Church records which actually contain marriage indexes up until 1945! Some
> of these individuals are still living, and I doubt that should I decide at
> some point to index them for WorldGenWeb that they would like having their
> personal information indexed and plastered all over the internet. Just a
> guess.... It could also cause friction between the FHD and the Catholic
> Church should something of this nature happen, which would surely affect
> their ability to microfilm such record sets in the future. Again, it might
> not even BE a problem, but the smart thing to do would be to write to the
> FHD Copyright Office and check (I did this via email and had no
problem...).
>
> I hope this makes sense. Please don't think the LDS Church's Family
History
> Dept. is being miserly here. For goodness sake, they spend their member's
> donated money for projects like these to help all of us!
>
> Mary Kathryn Kozy
> Mitchell Co., GAGenWeb CC
>
> At 03:39 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >Does that include Federal Census Records? If so then people should not be
> >using the LDS to obtain film but should be told about this and that way
not
> >be violating rules of the LDS....if these are public records such as
census
> >and such why do we then get into trouble because we choose to go to the
LDS
> >versus a local library or to order direct from the nat archives...I have
> >always loved working with the folks at the LDS libraries and just would
go
> >there to do film reading and abstracting records...when any of the public
> >records were mentioned in a report to a client or such the the Church was
> >always given complete credit for copying the materials and such...as
> >directed in the "how to cite sources" that the Nat. Genea.
Soc...suggested
> >to be used...and if I posted something in a book or online I also cited
> >sources...I never realized that they forbid us to use such as the census
> >records...only books and materials which were actually copyrighted by an
> >author/compiler or such...but if I am wrong in telling others please
correct
> >me...and I will not ever again suggest anyone use the LDS church for
> >transcriptions/abstractions but suggest they order the film from another
> >source. Thank You, God Bless, Gloria
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Mary Kathryn Kozy" <mkozy(a)attglobal.net>
> >To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:13 PM
> >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Re: Commercial use of the County sites...
> >
> >
> > > Gloria -
> > >
> > > I'll just throw this out once again for those who may have joined the
> > > project after the last time I posted....
> > >
> > > Data contained in LDS microfilms is done through a copyright agreement
> >with
> > > the LDS Church's Family History Dept. and the entity that holds the
> > > originals. These are NOT considered in the "public domain" as such. In
> > > order to extract, abstract, index, etc. any of these records (even if
they
> > > are just court records from your county, marriages, wills, etc.), you
must
> > > first get permission from the LDS Family History Dept.'s Copyright
Office.
> > > They are generally more than willing to give it, but it is a necessary
> >step
> > > to help prevent the FHL from legal problems should a particular entity
not
> > > give permission for further indexing or some such thing that we as
patrons
> > > reading the film (for personal research reasons) are not aware of. The
> >LAST
> > > thing any of would want to do is jeopardize the FHL's reputation or
> > > standing amongst those whose good graces we all stand in need of
(i.e.,
> > > county court houses and other repositories/donors of these original
> > > records) or put them in any legal trouble.
> > >
> > > Here is the information I received from Kathy Warburton of the Family
> > > History Dept.'s Copyright Office several months back:
> > >
> > > <start>
> > > Before I respond to your request, I must make you aware of some
policies
> >of
> > > the Family and Church History Department concerning appropriate uses
of
> > > materials in our collection. Due to the increasing publication of
these
> > > materials on the Internet, we are having to become more strict in
> >enforcing
> > > these policies to keep the department from being in violation of our
> > > contractual agreements with the donors of the records in our
collection.
> > >
> > > Records held in the collection of the Family History Library and
Family
> > > History Centers are intended for non-commercial personal family
history
> > > research only. Use of the records beyond the scope of non-commercial
> > > personal family history research may violate contractual agreements
with
> > > the records custodians and/or copyright laws.
> > >
> > > In order to be sure that we are in compliance with contractual
obligations
> > > and copyright laws, the following uses of the records in our
collection
> >are
> > > not permitted:
> > >
> > > 1. Creating indexes or extracts of multiple entries or of entire
record
> >sets,
> > > 2. Copying or reproduction of multiple pages (beyond the limits of
"fair
> > > use.")
> > >
> > > For certain materials for which the Genealogical Society of Utah or
the
> > > Family History Department possesses unrestricted rights of use and
> > > publication, an officer of the Society may approve indexing projects
in
> > > exchange for unrestricted rights to use and publish the resulting
indexes.
> > > To obtain such approval, please provide full details in writing,
including
> > > your name and address, the author and title of the materials to be
indexes
> > > along with all film numbers proposed to be indexed and a full
description
> > > lf the purpose of the index and any proposed publication (including
> > > publication to the Internet) to:
> > >
> > > President, The Genealogical Society of Utah
> > > 50 East North Temple Street, 5th Floor
> > > Salt Lake City UT 84150
> > >
> > > Please keep this policy in mind before beginning any indexing or
> >extraction
> > > projects involving microfilms from our collection or before posting
such
> > > projects that you may have already completed. A notice of this policy
has
> > > been sent to all family history centers and should now be posted in
the
> > > centers. We would appreciate your cooperation in ensuring that the
> > > Department is able to comply with its contractual agreements with the
> > > donors of these materials.
> > >
> > > I wish you every success in your family history efforts. If you have
any
> > > questions, please contact me.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Kathy Warburton
> > > Copyright Coordinator
> > > Family and Church History Department
> > > The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
> > > Phone: 801-240-2049
> > > Fax: 801-240-2494
> > > Email: fhd-copyright(a)ldschurch.org
> > > <end>
> > >
> > > I hope this clears up any misconceptions or confusion any of ya'll
have
> > > about their policies. If not, feel free to contact Ms. Warburton!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Mary Kathryn Kozy
> > > mkozy(a)attglobal.net
> > > Mitchell Co., GAGenWeb CC
> > >
> > > At 07:52 PM 5/21/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >If each CC ordered one film per month...about $3.60....from a local
LDS
> > > >Church/FHL and transcribed the indexes for Wills, Marriages, Warranty
> >Deeds,
> > > >Warrantor and Warrantee indexes they would in a years time have a
> >multitude
> > > >of material on their site that would allow the visitors to our pages
find
> > > >their ancestors name and then the person could order a copy of that
deed,
> > > >will, marriage record. No professional would be needed to search
those
> > > >records (and I worked as a professional genealogist for some years).
No
> > > >search fee would be charged for looking up records by clerks..as the
> >index
> > > >would give each researcher what they needed to order a copy of those
> > > >records. There is no need to abstract or transcribe the records. If
just
> > > >the indexes were done that would be a wonderful gift to the genealogy
> > > >community. Now why haven't I done that? Well when I first adopted GA
> > > >counties I was also preparing and researching to write a book which
grew
> > > >into what could now be two books about the Lumbee Indian Tribe and
all of
> > > >the families. For over ten years I ordered "all" of the microfilmed
> >public
> > > >records for Robeson County, NC and also records from Bladen, Sampson,
> > > >Lenoir, Guilford, Cumberland, and many other NC Counties, and then
went
> >up
> > > >into VA and ordered VA filmed records and then made several trips to
the
> > > >areas to search in the courthouses and the State Archives to find
more
> >that
> > > >might have missed being filmed. So that took a primary until about
eight
> > > >months ago when I felt I had gone as far with the research as I would
go
> >in
> > > >my lifetime. Will leave more for others to pick up where I left off.
But
> > > >now I have started working on the GA Counties that I host...With Ben
Hill
> > > >the records have not been filmed as of yet...but I will make a trip
up
> >there
> > > >within this year to copy those indexes...Luckily Irwin County records
> >have
> > > >been microfilmed and are available..and a cousin has already done a
lot
> >of
> > > >those transcriptions which he will be providing and what he doesn't
> >provide
> > > >I will do.. The Ben Hill County Newspapers have all been microfilmed
and
> >I
> > > >plan soon to order my first of many films and those I will purchase
at
> >about
> > > >$24- $28.00 per film..forget correct amount...and I do have a film
reader
> > > >and a fiche reader at home...my files are full of copies of original
> > > >documents from VA and NC records but very few of GA records and that
is
> > > >because when I began hosting the GA Counties I was in the middle of
> >another
> > > >labor of love which is now completed and my time and attention will
be on
> > > >the GA sites..but any of us can take the time to place the indexes
online
> > > >and then no one will need to have a professional go into those
records.
> >What
> > > >I propose we do will take years to accomplish and there is an
occasional
> > > >need for a professional and they get in touch with us or a person
will
> > > >contact us and request the name of a professional in which ever case
I
> >will
> > > >be happy to provide that person with the name of someone who can help
but
> >as
> > > >for the County Pages I believe with all my heart that they are not
for
> > > >commercial use...a special page with commercial options in
> >research...that
> > > >is fine...but allow the viewer the option of going there is that is
what
> > > >they want and not misrepresenting links and such by just sending them
> >there.
> > > >As someone who did make money at one time from professional genealogy
I
> > > >never took a GA commission...but only in NC, PA, and SC and
WV....just my
> > > >principals and what I feel was the right thing to do...with GA
research I
> > > >did it for free in all cases....a lot of our visitors are elderly
folks
> >with
> > > >limited incomes or disabled people and those who have pcs but can't
> >afford
> > > >the extras, and all are unable to travel... those are the ones who
> >benefit
> > > >the most from our project..Can we be proud of our selves if we send
them
> >to
> > > >a commercial site thinking they are going to find real records that
are
> >free
> > > >of charge only to find they have arrived at a paying site that they
don't
> > > >have the money to subscribe to...sorry I can't do that...But that is
just
> >my
> > > >opinion....but free is what the project is all about and free is how
it
> > > >should remain...Gloria.....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Does that include Federal Census Records? If so then people should not be
using the LDS to obtain film but should be told about this and that way not
be violating rules of the LDS....if these are public records such as census
and such why do we then get into trouble because we choose to go to the LDS
versus a local library or to order direct from the nat archives...I have
always loved working with the folks at the LDS libraries and just would go
there to do film reading and abstracting records...when any of the public
records were mentioned in a report to a client or such the the Church was
always given complete credit for copying the materials and such...as
directed in the "how to cite sources" that the Nat. Genea. Soc...suggested
to be used...and if I posted something in a book or online I also cited
sources...I never realized that they forbid us to use such as the census
records...only books and materials which were actually copyrighted by an
author/compiler or such...but if I am wrong in telling others please correct
me...and I will not ever again suggest anyone use the LDS church for
transcriptions/abstractions but suggest they order the film from another
source. Thank You, God Bless, Gloria
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Kathryn Kozy" <mkozy(a)attglobal.net>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Re: Commercial use of the County sites...
> Gloria -
>
> I'll just throw this out once again for those who may have joined the
> project after the last time I posted....
>
> Data contained in LDS microfilms is done through a copyright agreement
with
> the LDS Church's Family History Dept. and the entity that holds the
> originals. These are NOT considered in the "public domain" as such. In
> order to extract, abstract, index, etc. any of these records (even if they
> are just court records from your county, marriages, wills, etc.), you must
> first get permission from the LDS Family History Dept.'s Copyright Office.
> They are generally more than willing to give it, but it is a necessary
step
> to help prevent the FHL from legal problems should a particular entity not
> give permission for further indexing or some such thing that we as patrons
> reading the film (for personal research reasons) are not aware of. The
LAST
> thing any of would want to do is jeopardize the FHL's reputation or
> standing amongst those whose good graces we all stand in need of (i.e.,
> county court houses and other repositories/donors of these original
> records) or put them in any legal trouble.
>
> Here is the information I received from Kathy Warburton of the Family
> History Dept.'s Copyright Office several months back:
>
> <start>
> Before I respond to your request, I must make you aware of some policies
of
> the Family and Church History Department concerning appropriate uses of
> materials in our collection. Due to the increasing publication of these
> materials on the Internet, we are having to become more strict in
enforcing
> these policies to keep the department from being in violation of our
> contractual agreements with the donors of the records in our collection.
>
> Records held in the collection of the Family History Library and Family
> History Centers are intended for non-commercial personal family history
> research only. Use of the records beyond the scope of non-commercial
> personal family history research may violate contractual agreements with
> the records custodians and/or copyright laws.
>
> In order to be sure that we are in compliance with contractual obligations
> and copyright laws, the following uses of the records in our collection
are
> not permitted:
>
> 1. Creating indexes or extracts of multiple entries or of entire record
sets,
> 2. Copying or reproduction of multiple pages (beyond the limits of "fair
> use.")
>
> For certain materials for which the Genealogical Society of Utah or the
> Family History Department possesses unrestricted rights of use and
> publication, an officer of the Society may approve indexing projects in
> exchange for unrestricted rights to use and publish the resulting indexes.
> To obtain such approval, please provide full details in writing, including
> your name and address, the author and title of the materials to be indexes
> along with all film numbers proposed to be indexed and a full description
> lf the purpose of the index and any proposed publication (including
> publication to the Internet) to:
>
> President, The Genealogical Society of Utah
> 50 East North Temple Street, 5th Floor
> Salt Lake City UT 84150
>
> Please keep this policy in mind before beginning any indexing or
extraction
> projects involving microfilms from our collection or before posting such
> projects that you may have already completed. A notice of this policy has
> been sent to all family history centers and should now be posted in the
> centers. We would appreciate your cooperation in ensuring that the
> Department is able to comply with its contractual agreements with the
> donors of these materials.
>
> I wish you every success in your family history efforts. If you have any
> questions, please contact me.
>
> Sincerely,
> Kathy Warburton
> Copyright Coordinator
> Family and Church History Department
> The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
> Phone: 801-240-2049
> Fax: 801-240-2494
> Email: fhd-copyright(a)ldschurch.org
> <end>
>
> I hope this clears up any misconceptions or confusion any of ya'll have
> about their policies. If not, feel free to contact Ms. Warburton!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mary Kathryn Kozy
> mkozy(a)attglobal.net
> Mitchell Co., GAGenWeb CC
>
> At 07:52 PM 5/21/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >If each CC ordered one film per month...about $3.60....from a local LDS
> >Church/FHL and transcribed the indexes for Wills, Marriages, Warranty
Deeds,
> >Warrantor and Warrantee indexes they would in a years time have a
multitude
> >of material on their site that would allow the visitors to our pages find
> >their ancestors name and then the person could order a copy of that deed,
> >will, marriage record. No professional would be needed to search those
> >records (and I worked as a professional genealogist for some years). No
> >search fee would be charged for looking up records by clerks..as the
index
> >would give each researcher what they needed to order a copy of those
> >records. There is no need to abstract or transcribe the records. If just
> >the indexes were done that would be a wonderful gift to the genealogy
> >community. Now why haven't I done that? Well when I first adopted GA
> >counties I was also preparing and researching to write a book which grew
> >into what could now be two books about the Lumbee Indian Tribe and all of
> >the families. For over ten years I ordered "all" of the microfilmed
public
> >records for Robeson County, NC and also records from Bladen, Sampson,
> >Lenoir, Guilford, Cumberland, and many other NC Counties, and then went
up
> >into VA and ordered VA filmed records and then made several trips to the
> >areas to search in the courthouses and the State Archives to find more
that
> >might have missed being filmed. So that took a primary until about eight
> >months ago when I felt I had gone as far with the research as I would go
in
> >my lifetime. Will leave more for others to pick up where I left off. But
> >now I have started working on the GA Counties that I host...With Ben Hill
> >the records have not been filmed as of yet...but I will make a trip up
there
> >within this year to copy those indexes...Luckily Irwin County records
have
> >been microfilmed and are available..and a cousin has already done a lot
of
> >those transcriptions which he will be providing and what he doesn't
provide
> >I will do.. The Ben Hill County Newspapers have all been microfilmed and
I
> >plan soon to order my first of many films and those I will purchase at
about
> >$24- $28.00 per film..forget correct amount...and I do have a film reader
> >and a fiche reader at home...my files are full of copies of original
> >documents from VA and NC records but very few of GA records and that is
> >because when I began hosting the GA Counties I was in the middle of
another
> >labor of love which is now completed and my time and attention will be on
> >the GA sites..but any of us can take the time to place the indexes online
> >and then no one will need to have a professional go into those records.
What
> >I propose we do will take years to accomplish and there is an occasional
> >need for a professional and they get in touch with us or a person will
> >contact us and request the name of a professional in which ever case I
will
> >be happy to provide that person with the name of someone who can help but
as
> >for the County Pages I believe with all my heart that they are not for
> >commercial use...a special page with commercial options in
research...that
> >is fine...but allow the viewer the option of going there is that is what
> >they want and not misrepresenting links and such by just sending them
there.
> >As someone who did make money at one time from professional genealogy I
> >never took a GA commission...but only in NC, PA, and SC and WV....just my
> >principals and what I feel was the right thing to do...with GA research I
> >did it for free in all cases....a lot of our visitors are elderly folks
with
> >limited incomes or disabled people and those who have pcs but can't
afford
> >the extras, and all are unable to travel... those are the ones who
benefit
> >the most from our project..Can we be proud of our selves if we send them
to
> >a commercial site thinking they are going to find real records that are
free
> >of charge only to find they have arrived at a paying site that they don't
> >have the money to subscribe to...sorry I can't do that...But that is just
my
> >opinion....but free is what the project is all about and free is how it
> >should remain...Gloria.....
> >
> >
> >
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Some questions for all and how you interpret the wording in the statement
below....please read and then see who you believe is the submitter who is
giving the Archives permanent use of the materials mentioned...
is a person who has surveyed a cemetery sends the material to the Archivist
for that county and then the Archivist/County Archivist submits the
material to the Archives...then the Archivist would be the submitter...
It sounds like from the wording on the statement below that the person who
"submits" it to the archives, who is a member of the archives becomes the
submitter and is giving the permission for permanent use.
But normal interpretation of "submitter" is the one who did the survey. But
through a slight-of-hand the submitter has becomes the person who placed it
with the county records located in the archives, not the person who did the
survey or transcribing who is the actual compiler. So now please read the
statements from the USGenWeb Archives Notice...and see how you read
this...who is the submitter and who is it that is giving permission for the
material to become the permanent property of the Archives?
Any other use, including copying files to other sites, requires permission
from the contributors PRIOR to uploading to the other sites.
[The submitter has given permission to the USGenWeb Archives to store the
file permanently for free access.]