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Have any of you had any experience with these people? I've had several requests to add links
to them on my Genweb pages. It appears to be Blue Roses Publishing company and seeing
the usgen in the address made me wonder about them. Seems as if it's another site setting up
to compete with the UsGenweb. I've checked the links and can't really find any records on there
as if it's a very new set up.
Debra
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From: Mary Mc Coulskey Brooks
To: poohbos(a)poohbos.com
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 3:45 AM
Subject: Tallapoosa Co. ALGenweb
Hello,
Would you please consider adding my links listed below to your web site? Thank you very much!
Mary
Wedding Bells
http://sweetblueroses.tripod.com/usgen/uswedbells.html
United States Birth & Death Records
http://sweetblueroses.tripod.com/usgen/usbirthdeath.html
United States Obituary Records
http://sweetblueroses.tripod.com/usgen/usobitrec.html
United States Cemetery Records
http://sweetblueroses.tripod.com/usgen/uscemrec.html
In a message dated 3/28/2003 8:52:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
frugalmom(a)earthlink.net writes:
<< Do any of you know the feneral law statute number that says no one can
deny access to the cemetery even if it is on private property? >>
It is a state law and can be found in the Georgia Code. I suggest that you
get sworn depositions as to the exact location, consult old DOT maps to see
if it was shown, do a transcript of all the deeds that might mention the
cemetery or not.
When you accumulate your evidence, then the place to take it is either the
State Court Solicitor or the District Attorney.
You will also need a deposition from the person who was denied access.
In a message dated 3/28/2003 8:32:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
frugalmom(a)earthlink.net writes:
<< Should I go to McCorkles Nursery and confront them? >>
No, go to the courthouse, look up the land description and back track it thru
the deeds for previous owners. Put what information you can find on a webpage
and list it under lost cemetery.
If you find the cemetery mentioned in one of the deeds, email me back.
Donna
Excellent information and suggestions, MK. Be reminded, Michelle and
everyone, that the Georgia Archives is closing today for one month in order
to accomplish the move to the new building.
Vivian Price Saffold
Meriwether County
At 10:11 AM 3/28/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Dot Jones <A
>HREF="http://www.ci.thomson.ga.us/County/Minutes/commission/12-04-02.htm">s
>poke</A> before the McDuffie County Board of Commissioners on 4 Dec
>2002 - while her address is not in the online minutes (that I can find) if
>the meetings are handled normally - her address will be in the minutes.
>
>And - one of your pages has her addy - I looked it up and it is listed as
>James Alva Jones in Thomson
>
>Going to the August Chronicle sounds like a great idea - but not to "expose"
>the foundation. Perhaps a better way to approach this would be contacting
>them to run an article on your County site (free publicity) - if/when someone
>shows interest in doing so - you can work a gentle complaint into the
>interview.
>
>It humors me that Mrs. Jones is the head of the McDuffie Historical Society
>(your dilemma is the prime example of this being a hysterical society) and
>the Wrightsboro Foundation) and has her thumb on all of the research.
>
>The other way is for you to become involved with the Foundation - but come in
>through the back door - not via Mrs. Jones.
>
>And lastly, it is privately held - not much you can do to force the situation
>except to get the word out - but you are going to have to walk a very thin
>rope.
>
>I don't know if this is "legal" on our pages but you might consider doing
>this: Write Mrs. Jones a formal request - not mentioning your prior
>conversation..... enclose a self-addressed, stamped envelope. If she says
>the same thing in her letter back to you (and being a southern woman of that
>certain age she will write back) I would then put something on my page that
>lists the documents, records, etc. held by Wrightsboro Foundation and then
>say unfortunately these records are not available - link it to an image of
>her letter.
>
>After you have her letter, you can write the organization that has made this
>a Historical Landmark - and tell them how concerned you are that the public
>doesn't have access to the records - I would get the guy who called her to
>write a letter too - and inclose it with yours.
>
>This brings us back to the copyright laws - are privately held public
>documents under copyright laws. Email the Ga Archives and find out!
>
>MK Harrison
><A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A>
><A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A>
><A
>HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceC
>ode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A>
>I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war,
>assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth
>world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein
>
>
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In a message dated 3/28/2003 8:25:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
frugalmom(a)earthlink.net writes:
<< What do you think I should do? >>
1/Leave her alone.
2/ Work thru your mail list and get people interested in donating what ever
bit of history they might have.
3/ Look through the Library of Congress and see if they have the books you
are interested in - if you will send the titles to the list, there might be
other copies available.
4/ Make sure all of your census abstractions are online, Microfilm is
availaable many places.
5/Court books (Probate and Superior) are available at the Courthouse and on
microfilm
Start there and then we can give you more suggestions.
Donna.
In a message dated 3/28/2003 8:25:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
gagenie(a)bellsouth.net writes:
<< Oh me... now my feelings are hurt. <Gbg> wjile <rofl> >>
We'll kiss them and make them better :)
Wyndell, you have always done a great job and you have been there from the
beginning. I know you came in and reworked the page after Scott left and it
looks good again. Everyone should look.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacherok/
The way I remember the frames issue was
1/ that all peoples browsers couldn''t handle them
2/ that it wasn''t directed at any individual CC
3/ that that wasn't why Scott left (at least not from pressure from the CCs)
We had another discussion over pdf files - again the browser issue.
Donna
Dot Jones <A HREF="http://www.ci.thomson.ga.us/County/Minutes/commission/12-04-02.htm">spoke</A> before the McDuffie County Board of Commissioners on 4 Dec
2002 - while her address is not in the online minutes (that I can find) if
the meetings are handled normally - her address will be in the minutes.
And - one of your pages has her addy - I looked it up and it is listed as
James Alva Jones in Thomson
Going to the August Chronicle sounds like a great idea - but not to "expose"
the foundation. Perhaps a better way to approach this would be contacting
them to run an article on your County site (free publicity) - if/when someone
shows interest in doing so - you can work a gentle complaint into the
interview.
It humors me that Mrs. Jones is the head of the McDuffie Historical Society
(your dilemma is the prime example of this being a hysterical society) and
the Wrightsboro Foundation) and has her thumb on all of the research.
The other way is for you to become involved with the Foundation - but come in
through the back door - not via Mrs. Jones.
And lastly, it is privately held - not much you can do to force the situation
except to get the word out - but you are going to have to walk a very thin
rope.
I don't know if this is "legal" on our pages but you might consider doing
this: Write Mrs. Jones a formal request - not mentioning your prior
conversation..... enclose a self-addressed, stamped envelope. If she says
the same thing in her letter back to you (and being a southern woman of that
certain age she will write back) I would then put something on my page that
lists the documents, records, etc. held by Wrightsboro Foundation and then
say unfortunately these records are not available - link it to an image of
her letter.
After you have her letter, you can write the organization that has made this
a Historical Landmark - and tell them how concerned you are that the public
doesn't have access to the records - I would get the guy who called her to
write a letter too - and inclose it with yours.
This brings us back to the copyright laws - are privately held public
documents under copyright laws. Email the Ga Archives and find out!
MK Harrison
<A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A>
<A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=...">Ancestry.com</A>
I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war,
assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth
world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein
Michele,
It is a law in Georgia that no one is denied access to any cemetery.
One of my familial cemeteries (Old Smyrna Cemetery) is in Gratis, Walton
County, GA - on wooded land owned by Georgia Scientific, with no public
access. A house next door's yard (with big, mean looking dogs :-O) was the
easiest way to enter the property; however, they never answered their door -
nor did they answer phone calls. Sooooooo I wrote the Sheriff of Walton
County.
He told me we could have access anytime - day or not. We planned a <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com/Html/OldSmyrnaCemetery.htm">family
cleanup</A> thing - not only did he provide me with a letter granting us
"permission" to enter the said properties, he also gave me his private number
in case of any altercations, etc.
So - contact your Sheriff or if the community is incorporated - their police
- they will be happy to help you!
MK Harrison
<A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A>
<A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=...">Ancestry.com</A>
I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war,
assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth
world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein
Do any of you know the feneral law statute number that says no one can deny access to the cemetery even if it is on private property?
michele lewis
CC McDuffie Co
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I have another little dilemma I need your advice on.
McDuffie is a very rural county and there are family cemeteries out on private property all over the place. The best way to find these is by knocking on doors.
I was out on Luckey's Bridge Road when I stopped at a house and talked to man that told me an interesting story.
He told me that approx 20 years ago, there was a man that was plowing in the field across from his house and he hit a vault. It was the grave of Henry Goings. The man stopped and then some people came out from Dearing including a pastor of a church. They removed the bones, looked at them, then put them back in the hole. The man plowed over it. This man says there were several graves out there. There was also another plot back further in that same field that is also gone.
The man I talked to told me that he went to the grandfather of the current owner of McCorkle's Nursery. (The field was purchased by McCorkles Nursery shortly after this incident). The grandfather of the current owner acknowledged the presence of the plowed over cemetery and said that he would restore the cemetery and put a fence around it. It is now 20 years later, McCorkles still owns the property and the grandson is now running it. I had a man in Dearing confirm this story. He too knew about it and he is not related to the first man that I spoke to.
I have been trying to locate any researchers researching the Goings family and have had no response. I do plan on interviewing more local residents to see if I can figure out who all was buried there.
My question is... Should I go to McCorkles Nursery and confront them?
Hugs...
Michele Lewis
GaGenWeb Coordinator
McDuffie Co, GA
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I have a bit of a dilemma and I really need y'alls input on how I should handle this.
There is an private organization in McDuffie Co called the "Wrightsboro Foundation" This organization is supposed to preserve the history of Wrightsboro which is a very old Quaker community in northern McDuffie Co.
They have restored buildings and have placed informative historical markers in Wrightsboro.
It is governed by a board. The chairman of the board is a lady by the name of Dot Jones.
Dot Jones is a very diagreeable person. I had a lengthy phone conversation with her the other day and I was completely flabergasted. Her philosophy of genealogy is that "If you want to know anything about Wrightsboro, you need to come to Wrightsboro and do your research here." She is completely opposed to any public dissemination of information regarding Wrightsboro. She is particularly opposed to the internet.
When I tried to explain to her that the philosphy of genealogist in general is to share information. She flatly disagreed. When I explained that there are genealogists all over the world that have ties to Wrightsboro and they just can't travel to Wrightsboro to do their research she basically said too bad. We will not give out any information. She said that they do offer a booklet that can be purchased (It is a generic sort of history thing).
She practically threatened me if I put any Wrightsboro info on the internet other than the Foundation's address and phone number.
Here is where it gets good...
The foundation has many historical holdings. They have the personal hand written diaries of Joseph Maddock who founded Wrightsboro. They have the only known copies of an old cemetery book that was witten many many years ago. (By the way, she is VERY opposed to me going out and surveying cemeteries and placing the info on USGenWeb archives!) They also have a long out of print history book that is not available anywhere. These holdings are AT DOT JONE'S HOUSE! There is no Wrightsboro Foundation building. All anyone has is a P.O. Box, we don't even know her phsyical address.
One of my husband's distant cousins contacted Dot Jones to see about coming to look at 3 paintings that had been done of Wrightsboro. They were painted by this man's cousin. The Wrightsboro Foundation commissioned him to paint them. She told this man that he was not allowed to see them. They only bring them out once a year at the Wrightsboro Homecoming. When he asked when Homescoming was, she stated she couldn't tell him that. This man contacted one of the board members and he was visably afraid of this woman. She said "We are just waiting for her to die."
How should I handle this? I am seriously considering going to the Augusta Chronicle. I would like to expose the Wrightsboro Foundation. Another possibility is contacting the govermental agency that is in charge of designated historical places. Three buildings in Wrightsboro have been so designated.
I could go to all the board members individually and see if they would call a board meeting to vote her out but I don't think that will work because at least one board member is scared of her.
This woman is hoarding important historical documents at her house that belong to the "Wrightsboro Foundation." They do not belong to her personally. I think the public should be made aware of what is going on.
What do you think I should do?
michele lewis
GaGenWeb Coordinator
McDuffie Co, GA
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In a message dated 3/28/03 7:25:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
poohbos(a)poohbos.com writes:
> This is the first I've seen of them offering free searchable
> databases for all states, marriages, cemeteries, obituaries, etc and forms
> for people to submit them.
The email I questioned back then gave the impression that they were going to
be offering the material from the GA Archives on CD's which is what prompted
me to ask at that time. I wrote Tim and Keith.
Maybe someone else will know more.
Donna
In a message dated 3/28/03 6:17:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,
poohbos(a)poohbos.com writes:
> Have any of you had any experience with these people? I've had several
> requests to add links
> to them on my Genweb pages. It appears to be Blue Roses Publishing company
Keith's answer - Dec 1 2002
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GAGEN/2002-12/1038796283
I will most likely make an index of each year myself, although another
researcher is transcribing the 1860 census for the Census Project (I'll do
HTML versions of each, as I did with the 1850 census).
Speaking of censuses...I was able (finally!) to find microfilm of the
mortality schedules for GA and made copies for Rabun County. If anyone is
interested, the University of Georgia in Athens does have the complete
mortality schedules (1850, 1860, 1870 and 1880) for the states of Georgia,
Kentucky and Louisiana and the District of Columbia, and also some mortality
schedules for Arizona, Colorado and Tennessee.
Dawn
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> the last thing I want is an officially
Over in Texas, those that don't wish to be "surfed" are not. Of course they do have to have their sites up to par, but don't have to participate.
> As to the awards, I get my (reward) award each time the sites help someone.
Isn't that the truth? I think all of us feel the same way no matter what the compliment is, but especially when we're told our web site has helped them in some way.
Bettie <><
With the way things have been going, the last thing I want is an officially sanctioned ANYBODY more checking my sites. Anyone is welcome to give constructive comments at any time. For the rest, I will replace my keyboard when the delete key wears out. We already have folks to check the sites. As to the awards, I get my (reward) award each time the sites help someone. For those who want a VOLUNTARY competition for an award, have at it. Just don't force me into it.
Thanks to all the wonderful folks who have been putting up material to help folks, here is my award. THANK YOU!!!
In a message dated 3/27/03 12:42:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jarrard2(a)bellsouth.net writes:
> Does anyone know if there has been a problem with some of
> the Rootsweb mail lists?
Carolyn,
Acording to the Rootsweb helpdesk
http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help.cgi
lists 2 is having problems.
Donna Parrish
Forsyth County