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I think that it would be incumbent upon the petitioners to allow the other
GA CC's to see what they have filed.
I, as well have worked with Tim since 1998, in another state and while we
have not always agreed, and who does, we have remained friends and been able
to accept each other as such, whether we agreed or not.
Jan Cortez
Banks County
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol C-H" <cch(a)netdoor.com>
> Would someone please explain to me ON THIS LIST - in public so ALL of us
GA
> CCs can see it - what in the sam hill is going on? Are we going to have
to
> vote on ousting our SC without most of us having even seen the petition or
> heard what Tim has to say in his own
> defense? http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BOARD/2003-02/1046150842
>
> I am in favor of regularly scheduled elections with no limits to the
number
> of terms a person can serve, but I am NOT in favor of just throwing out a
> SC. Especially one who has always been nice to me.
>
> I am HEARTSICK about this -
>
> Carol C-H <cch(a)netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/
I ask that all the members of the board be sent a copy of this since some of
the email addresses are bad from the National Page.
Mr. Harrison,
This message came across our CC list this AM and I agree with Carol.
The rights of one individual dictate the rights of a group for without due
process of one there cannot be due process for all.
What happened to being innocent until proven guilty and Tim having the right
to offer evidence on his behalf and to council. The amount of evidence that
has been sent is overwhelming and the final submission within several days
of this writing. I have my doubts that there has been ample time for all of
this material to be reviewed.
This, I might add was a request from the AB for additional information and
not a delay tactic on anyone's part.
You are trampling all over every amendment right that Tim has.
If you cannot be fair to Tim then you will not be fair to me and it is your
duty as NC to be fair to all.
If you have a personal conflict with Tim then you should recuse yourself
from these proceedings and it certainly appears that way since you are
denying Tim due process to a process that you set up.
The complainants did not follow due process at the State Level. You allowed
a gang mentality to be brought when none of complaints were connected to
each other, each should have stood on it's own merit. These complaints
were brought after Keith Giddeon had a call to arms to have Tim ousted from
the project because of his actions as a ASC that caused his removal. In
effect Keith had asked the RC council to pretend that Tim had resigned when
he had not , violating the GaGenWeb guidelines to try to force a vote to
oust Tim when Keith knew that the USGENWEB Bylaws would be violated. When
he failed at this and was removed as ASC he started calling for the CC's to
call for a vote.
All of this is documented as evidence.
That is when all of these complaints were brought to the AB bypassing any
the GaGenWeb guidelines that say grievances be brought there first. So all
of these complaints should be sent back to the state level since the
USGENWEB Bylaws state they must be filed at the State level and all possible
state level processing be exhausted when they in fact were never filed on
the state level.
I ask that you follow due process that you set up.
Has something changed because 3 members have resigned.
Is this action being brought by you because it could fail with a vote?
I ask that you recuse yourself from these proceedings because it appears
that you have a dislike for Tim and want him removed.
I ask that due process be followed as was originally set up by you.
I ask that all evidence be placed on a WWW site so it can be viewed by the
members of the GAGENWEB since there is nothing to hide.
We have the right to know since it effects our SC.
You were provided all the documents with full headers and we have not even
seen any evidence from the other side to support the complaints and I offer
that there are none.
I as a CC of Georgia want to see the evidence that the complainants have
submitted as proof of their complaint before any requests for a vote moves
forward and that all Tim have his opportunity to present with council his
side.
I would also request that you provide information showing that this has been
done before and this is not being set as a precedent for the State of
Georgia and not for other states.
Respectfully,
Margie Daniels
CC Putnam, Crawford, Macon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol C-H" <cch(a)netdoor.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:42 AM
Subject: [GAGEN] "removal of the GAGenWeb State Coordinator"?
> Would someone please explain to me ON THIS LIST - in public so ALL of us
GA
> CCs can see it - what in the sam hill is going on? Are we going to have
to
> vote on ousting our SC without most of us having even seen the petition or
> heard what Tim has to say in his own
> defense? http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BOARD/2003-02/1046150842
>
> I am in favor of regularly scheduled elections with no limits to the
number
> of terms a person can serve, but I am NOT in favor of just throwing out a
> SC. Especially one who has always been nice to me.
>
> I am HEARTSICK about this -
>
> Carol C-H <cch(a)netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/
>
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information.
>
>
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At one time I used the full name and email address of the submitter.
I now keep a private list and use the person's initials and last name on the
pages. I place my email address on the page with a subject message that
comes to me and then I know who to forward the message to. I then forward
the message and cc the person that wrote me so they can be in direct
contact with each other.
If the email bounces I make a note of it and respond to the person and try
to help if I can. If the submitter is on the mail list I ask them if they
want queries to go to the list or to them. Many times they have no other
information and do not want the queries since they have no additional
information. In that case I send the query to the mail list and many times
they get their answers there. I do that by using this coding
whatever-L(a)rootsweb.com?subject=Friendship Cemetery Macon County, Ga.
I am not quick on the trigger to place a copyright on public domain records
that cannot be copyrighted. The site compilation may be the better
copyright for this. I also have my doubts about HTML and Java coding being
copyrighted by anyone other than those that created the program. I use
scripting that is made available and I cannot in turn claim copyright. I
do include the statement from the Java or coding when there is one placed.
This also applies to Graphics that I use on sites that offer it for free.
From a personal stand point.
I transcribe a lot of information and send it to other counties in Georgia.
When I do I ask that no copyright be placed on the information and that I
not be listed because I do not want the email. I have no information on
these surnames since they are not anything I am researching and it also
complies with RW and USGENWEB material use statement.
I do have a problem with my transcriptions being used and then others
copyright placed on them. Absence of copyright does not equal right to use
and place another's copyright on the material. Also absence of the
submitter's email address and name may like me be at the request of the
submitter.
Have a great day.
Margie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Crilley" <varcsix(a)hot.rr.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:02 AM
Subject: [GAGEN] directory of submitters
> Just as Bettie Wood suggested on this list ---- CAT mentioned that she
does
> the same thing about submitters.
>
> To make it easier to maintain (when people change e-mails), she links the
> name on the "data page" to ONE page ---- a sort of Submitters Directory.
>
> I think this is a good solution.
>
> I realize that there are many pages which are sort of a combination of
lots
> of folks ideas.... but I think that those people also deserve to be
> named. Mary K had a page where she just "thanked ...... a list of people
> who contributed information which resulted in that specific page.
>
> How do the rest of you handle this?
>
> I think this identification of work and contributions is one of the most
> important things that I need to work on. And as the county pages change
> hand over the years, we need to give proper credits to the previous CCs
> work. And to also identify that it is my own work when this is
appropriate.
>
>
> Virginia Crilley
>
>
>
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> Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
>
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Please only sub once to this list, unless of course you want it in list
and digest mode.
Each subscriber will have to manually added once verified they are
GAGenWeb Project members. I'll be doing that this evening.
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Tim Stowell (from work)
tstowell(a)chattanooga.net
Since we are a part of the USGENWEB project these questions and the
decision IMHO should be answered on the National Level.
ARTICLE X. COPYRIGHT
Section 1. In The USGenWeb Project, copyright of websites resides solely
with the creator of the web page(s). Their inclusion as part of The USGenWeb
Project does not give any irrevocable right, implied or otherwise, to The
USGenWeb Project to permanently use the material.
Section 2. In The USGenWeb Project, copyright to queries and any other data
submitted to any state or local websites resides with the submitter. The
submission of queries and other data to The USGenWeb Project implies that
The USGenWeb Project may continue to post the material until/if such time
the submitter requests removal.
Section 3. In The USGenWeb Project, copyright to data contributed to any
special projects resides with the contributor, who agrees that The USGenWeb
Project, as a not-for-profit group, has permanent use of the data. The
permanent use agreement is conditional upon the non-profit nature of The
USGenWeb Project and will become null and void if The USGenWeb Project
should ever cease to be non-profit.
Section 4. All members of The USGenWeb Project shall be responsible for
adhering to The USGenWeb Project's Official Copyright Policy which may be
found, along with further information about copyright, at The USGenWeb
Project national website, http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html.
http://www.patents.com/patents.htm#compare-design
It is not inconsistent to seek both copyright and design patent protection,
depending on the nature of what is being protected. Design patent protection
is, of course, available only on articles of manufacture and then only on
the novel and ornamental aspects thereof. Copyright protection is available
on most articles of manufacture but also on many other works.
The copyright term (in the US) is 50 or 75 years, while the design patent
term (in the US) is 14 years. Copyright protection is available without your
even having to ask for it, although of course it is prudent to place a
copyright notice on the work and to register the copyright with the
copyright office.
Design patent protection is available only after filing a design patent
application with the Patent Office, and then only if the application is
allowed by the Patent Office after examination.
*****************************************
http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/copyNet.htmAuthors'
Rights
Registration.
Although web pages and email messages are protected as soon as created,
copyright registration is needed before U.S. owners can bring suit. Also,
prompt registration provides remedies that make lawsuits affordable.
Statutory damages of $150,000 (or more, and attorney fees) for willful
infringement can be obtained if published works are registered within three
months, or unpublished works are registered before they are infringed.
Registration costs only $30.00, and simple application forms with basic
instructions are available from the Copyright Office -- TX still appears to
be the best choice. Yet, it would be prohibitively expensive for prolific
authors or artists to register individual items other than in the context of
existing disputes. Their options much improve when multiple works can be
registered as a collection.
** Web pages.
The entire contents of a web site no more require multiple registrations
than a book with many chapters and numerous illustrations -- or a CD with
text and music, still and animated graphics, and software. Copyright Office
Circular 66 contains a brief discussion. However, the following could
mislead those unfamiliar with copyright:
Revisions and updates
Many works transmitted online are revised or updated frequently. For
individual works, however, there is no blanket registration available to
cover revisions published on multiple dates. A revised version for each
daily revision may be registered separately.... A separate application and
$30 filing fee would be required for each....
While new text isn't covered by prior registrations, it is difficult to see
why a court would allow someone to get away with copying a page of mostly
registered content merely because it contains a few new sentences or other
changes!
** Email.
If a list owner wants to register threaded list contents, that should be
possible -- particularly if copyright has been assigned by members. The main
thing that seems unclear is how much time could be spanned by a single
registration. Given that "prompt" registration means within three months of
"publication", that period makes sense.
The situation for email authors is much more ambiguous. First, group
registration of several periodical contributions by a single author is
possible, but combining email posts would require liberal interpretation of
the term "periodical." Alternatively, email authors might register their
"unpublished" collections, but that presents a different problem: Are
messages to "public" lists "published" for all purposes, or might they be
regarded as "unpublished" for registration purposes? Perhaps because no one
has tried to register, the Copyright Office has so far posted no
information.
Notice.
For several years, copyright notice has not been required in the U.S. Until
then, however, that was not true; notice may be needed to rebut lingering
notions that works published without notice can be used by others without
restriction.
** Web pages.
Again, web pages are simpler. Although a formal notice is not required, it
is best to provide a notice such as appears at the bottom of this page.
** Email.
Notice on individual email messages (if blanket notice is not provided, say,
in a welcome message) may also be useful. Something as straight-forward as
"Please do not forward this message without permission" should be legally
adequate as well as honored by most recipients. It is hard to see any
advantage to traditional notices
I hope this has helped, it has helped me to understand that if I have a
question it is better that I ask our National Coordinator or your attorney.
Margie Daniels.
RC NE Region
----- Original Message -----
From: "Crilley" <varcsix(a)hot.rr.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:48 AM
Subject: [GAGEN] copyright
> I asked CAT Tindell for some more specifics regarding the actual wording
of
> the copyright --- and also to help me understand the complexity of "design
> of page" and using graphics. Graphics and "data" seem to be two separate
> items.
>
> She's busy with family right now --- so I'm quoting from her note until
she
> has the time to write herself.
>
> I hope others will also help to clarify as I'm trying to learn this
myself:
>
> =====From CAT Tindall=======
>
> Design Copyright 2003 <Virginia Crilley, city, state> Email: <email addy>
> Content Copyright 1996-2003 USGenWeb
> Project <http://www.usgenweb.org>www.usgenweb.org and the individual data
> submitter as noted.
>
>
> You should also put the copyright symbol, which I can't do in this email,
> right before the word "Copyright".
>
> *****Virginia says: I didn't know how to get the copyright symbol so I
just
> copied it off of CAT's page and inserted it at the bottom of the main
> Marion County page. I had redesigned the front page.****
>
> This way clearly shows the line drawn between the 2 copyright concepts and
> that they are independent of each other.
>
> CC's are merely administrators of this project and volunteer to design and
> keep maintained web pages about the county they volunteered to do. They
do
> not become the owner of the information, only the design.....
>
> =========CAT comments on using pages without redesigning======
> **Virginia asked: what about a page that I don't update or change?**
>
> Yes, you must keep Mary K's name on that military page if you keep the
page
> 'as is'...but do remove her referance as CC at the bottom of that page if
> she's no longer the CC, instead putting her email addy. Contact info
> should always be included with the copyright info at the bottom of very
web
> page. If you want to redo the design of this page, still including the
> links that she used, then you can remove her copyright entirely. There's
> no such thing as a holding a copyright on a link.
>
> Mary K did not use any Civil War/Military graphics on her page for you to
> be concerned about..only that blue/green bar at the bottom which can stay
> if you keep her name as the copyright holder. If you redo that page,
> remove that graphic.
>
> ======CAT on using graphics==========
> Credit must be given back for every graphic on a page if a designer did
not
> pay for that graphic.
>
> I don't know of a single site on the internet that allows for no credit to
> be given for freeware graphics. Other than adjusting the size of
graphics,
> no other changes can be made to freeware graphics.
> ***Virginia: I have used some "generic type" graphics --- flag bars, CSA
> soldiers, etc but didn't realize that I need to state the sources here as
well.
>
> ****Virginia: Also CAT mentioned that on some of her pages she had used
> graphics "with permission" --- and that these graphics are no longer
> available to the public, and that no other person would be able to use
> them. CAT herself could not give permission to the next CC to use those
> specific graphics, and the graphic didn't belong to her.
>
>
> Virginia Crilley
>
>
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve
> the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching
> their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals
> with just this type of research. Please refer them to:
> http://www.adoption.org
>
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> Are we saying that when you volunteer to become a replacement Coordinator for a
> county that you must CREATE AN ENTIRELY NEW WEB?
By the way, welcome!
I don't think anyone is saying that. There are plenty of us that have had the good
fortune to get the old web pages, but some parting CCs don't give theirs up. I
never have gotten a web page passed on to me, & have had to start from scratch, but
I've always had the good fortune of mail lists that have sent truck loads of
information. If you got Mary Kathryn's old site, you got a gold mine, I'm sure!!
> I have never felt the Haralson County web, nor the Monroe County web, was
> 'owned' by me. The copyright on these pages is to prevent COMMERCIAL links to the
> pages.
That's another good reason for us to mark each & every one of our web site's pages
as GAGenWeb
> It was never my intent to infringe upon anyone's copyright and I am very
> concerned that I may have done so.
I dont' think so.Mary gave you the pages telling you to make any necessary changes,
& sounds like you have. I'm glad to see concern over this, though, & you've brought
up some things that probably every one of us has thought about, & need answers to.
Bettie <><
Would someone please explain to me ON THIS LIST - in public so ALL of us GA
CCs can see it - what in the sam hill is going on? Are we going to have to
vote on ousting our SC without most of us having even seen the petition or
heard what Tim has to say in his own
defense? http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BOARD/2003-02/1046150842
I am in favor of regularly scheduled elections with no limits to the number
of terms a person can serve, but I am NOT in favor of just throwing out a
SC. Especially one who has always been nice to me.
I am HEARTSICK about this -
Carol C-H <cch(a)netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/
From: Fred & Marje Davis (CCs Help)
Thanks so much MK, & for the tips Gloria. I have sent off for a death
certificate and received word that 3 copies of the
Augusta Chronicle regarding this incident are being mailed to me. Once
I get this paperwork together, I'll have
more to work with. Your assistance is greatly appreciated. Fred.
> Did not bother to add the exact day as I sent that one to aol and also the isp
>
> so they could trace it and perhaps take some action.
Oh goodness, Gloria. None of us CCs should have to put up
with abuse of any kind. When it comes in the form on email
like this though it SHOULD be reported like you've done.
I thought at first it might be that "forgery" virus, klez, but see
this is not virus even though it might make one sick <g>
I know there's lots of folks that read the mail list Archives
so they evidentally got your email addy from there.
Thakfully, I have gotten one of these yet.
Bettie <><
If Mary Kathryn relinquished her copyright to you, as would be appropriate
when a county changes hands, there is no problem. If she was not willing to
let you use her design, I'm sure she would have asked you to design your
own pages. Either way, it's between you and Mary Kathryn.
Vivian Price Saffold
Meriwether County
At 06:42 AM 2/25/03 -0500, you wrote:
>I recently volunteered to become the Coordinator for Monroe County
>Georgia. The
>previous coordinator Mary Kathryn Kozy retired, leaving an excellent web for
>Monroe County. Now, I assumed that once she resigned or any coordinator
>resigned, the County Web pages were "passed on" to the new Coordinator. Mary
>Kathryn told me to make any changes I wanted and fortunately very few were
>necessary, however, I have inserted my name on the pages she (or even perhaps
>her predecessor) created.
>
>Are we saying that when you volunteer to become a replacement Coordinator
>for a
>county that you must CREATE AN ENTIRELY NEW WEB? What happens then to the
>"old"
>pages?
>
>I understand and agree that any files contributed to either Archives or a
>county
>page should be copyrighted by the person contributing the file. I am in total
>agreement. These individual contributions make up a large part of the files on
>the county pages and the coordinators job is to load and maintain these files.
>If a coordinator has developed a page to post, say, marriage records, does
>he/she own the copyright of the design of the page but not the content
>(individual contributors.)
>
>I have never felt the Haralson County web, nor the Monroe County web, was
>'owned' by me. The copyright on these pages is to prevent COMMERCIAL links to
>the pages.
>
>It was never my intent to infringe upon anyone's copyright and I am very
>concerned that I may have done so.
>
>Would appreciate clarification of this point. Maybe we need to start
>getting a
>release from the previous coordinators or have it stated in the guidelines
>that
>once you resign GaGenWeb retains the web page design or whatever.
>
>Liz Robertson
>CC, HARALSON AND
>MONROE CO., GA
>
>
>
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>Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't
> hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find
>info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html
3570 Hildon Circle
Chamblee, GA 30341
Note new url:
http://bellsouthpwp.net/m/s/msaffold
Just as Bettie Wood suggested on this list ---- CAT mentioned that she does
the same thing about submitters.
To make it easier to maintain (when people change e-mails), she links the
name on the "data page" to ONE page ---- a sort of Submitters Directory.
I think this is a good solution.
I realize that there are many pages which are sort of a combination of lots
of folks ideas.... but I think that those people also deserve to be
named. Mary K had a page where she just "thanked ...... a list of people
who contributed information which resulted in that specific page.
How do the rest of you handle this?
I think this identification of work and contributions is one of the most
important things that I need to work on. And as the county pages change
hand over the years, we need to give proper credits to the previous CCs
work. And to also identify that it is my own work when this is appropriate.
Virginia Crilley
I asked CAT Tindell for some more specifics regarding the actual wording of
the copyright --- and also to help me understand the complexity of "design
of page" and using graphics. Graphics and "data" seem to be two separate
items.
She's busy with family right now --- so I'm quoting from her note until she
has the time to write herself.
I hope others will also help to clarify as I'm trying to learn this myself:
=====From CAT Tindall=======
Design Copyright 2003 <Virginia Crilley, city, state> Email: <email addy>
Content Copyright 1996-2003 USGenWeb
Project <http://www.usgenweb.org>www.usgenweb.org and the individual data
submitter as noted.
You should also put the copyright symbol, which I can't do in this email,
right before the word "Copyright".
*****Virginia says: I didn't know how to get the copyright symbol so I just
copied it off of CAT's page and inserted it at the bottom of the main
Marion County page. I had redesigned the front page.****
This way clearly shows the line drawn between the 2 copyright concepts and
that they are independent of each other.
CC's are merely administrators of this project and volunteer to design and
keep maintained web pages about the county they volunteered to do. They do
not become the owner of the information, only the design.....
=========CAT comments on using pages without redesigning======
**Virginia asked: what about a page that I don't update or change?**
Yes, you must keep Mary K's name on that military page if you keep the page
'as is'...but do remove her referance as CC at the bottom of that page if
she's no longer the CC, instead putting her email addy. Contact info
should always be included with the copyright info at the bottom of very web
page. If you want to redo the design of this page, still including the
links that she used, then you can remove her copyright entirely. There's
no such thing as a holding a copyright on a link.
Mary K did not use any Civil War/Military graphics on her page for you to
be concerned about..only that blue/green bar at the bottom which can stay
if you keep her name as the copyright holder. If you redo that page,
remove that graphic.
======CAT on using graphics==========
Credit must be given back for every graphic on a page if a designer did not
pay for that graphic.
I don't know of a single site on the internet that allows for no credit to
be given for freeware graphics. Other than adjusting the size of graphics,
no other changes can be made to freeware graphics.
***Virginia: I have used some "generic type" graphics --- flag bars, CSA
soldiers, etc but didn't realize that I need to state the sources here as well.
****Virginia: Also CAT mentioned that on some of her pages she had used
graphics "with permission" --- and that these graphics are no longer
available to the public, and that no other person would be able to use
them. CAT herself could not give permission to the next CC to use those
specific graphics, and the graphic didn't belong to her.
Virginia Crilley
I recently volunteered to become the Coordinator for Monroe County Georgia. The
previous coordinator Mary Kathryn Kozy retired, leaving an excellent web for
Monroe County. Now, I assumed that once she resigned or any coordinator
resigned, the County Web pages were "passed on" to the new Coordinator. Mary
Kathryn told me to make any changes I wanted and fortunately very few were
necessary, however, I have inserted my name on the pages she (or even perhaps
her predecessor) created.
Are we saying that when you volunteer to become a replacement Coordinator for a
county that you must CREATE AN ENTIRELY NEW WEB? What happens then to the "old"
pages?
I understand and agree that any files contributed to either Archives or a county
page should be copyrighted by the person contributing the file. I am in total
agreement. These individual contributions make up a large part of the files on
the county pages and the coordinators job is to load and maintain these files.
If a coordinator has developed a page to post, say, marriage records, does
he/she own the copyright of the design of the page but not the content
(individual contributors.)
I have never felt the Haralson County web, nor the Monroe County web, was
'owned' by me. The copyright on these pages is to prevent COMMERCIAL links to
the pages.
It was never my intent to infringe upon anyone's copyright and I am very
concerned that I may have done so.
Would appreciate clarification of this point. Maybe we need to start getting a
release from the previous coordinators or have it stated in the guidelines that
once you resign GaGenWeb retains the web page design or whatever.
Liz Robertson
CC, HARALSON AND
MONROE CO., GA
I finally got back on line this PM. My ISP 'forgot' to renew
their trust certificate and thus got disconnected from the
rest of the Internet. They got that fixed sometime today (Monday).
So now I've another back log of mail.
In an effort to restore this list as a business list only - where
announcements are made, items that effect everyone and the like,
I've been asked by several CCs to acquire, start, a chat list.
We already have such but it is highly under-utilized. There are
folks there that I don't know from Adam's house cat and they can
remain if they can stand the chat. This list will be voluntary
only - it is not required. So go there and chat your faces off!
For new subscribers there it will be limited to GAGenWeb Project
members.
If you got the following message today - then you are already
on the list:
There are 60 subscribers to GALINA-L and 16 subscribers to GALINA-D.
If you did not - then you can sub to this list - as you wish to -
for it will be the chat list - so that several of the items recently
posted to this list will fit better there instead of here.
To sub - the standard way you sub to any Rootsweb list:
galina-l(a)rootsweb.com - list mode
galina-d(a)rootsweb.com - digest mode
More items as I dig through my mail backlog.
Tim
Hi, I forgot to mention this and share these pieces of email with the
members who have been here for a bit as I thought one or more of them might
know who sent the the following emails to me a few days to a week ago. Did
not bother to add the exact day as I sent that one to aol and also the isp
so they could trace it and perhaps take some action. This was addressed to
my gholback_1999(a)yahoo.com had a little attachment and it was intended to
cause some problems for me and the pc. Any one possibly know who might have
sent it? I wonder? Then note the one below it. This one was sent from a
Sulli Sullivan by proxy and actually came from an aol proxy address. There
is a lot that goes on behind the scenes that is not very nice. Just thought
I would share this with any of you who are receiving the same type of hate
mail. Is coded and when the letters are played around with really says if
you solve the cryptogram a hidden message coded. And older person would
not have done something like this only those not yet in their fifties as
when you get to be that old you leave childish ways behind you and act like
an adult and not like spoiled children. It is so sad when people resort to
this type of hate mail.
I B U A S O B
IBUA = I BET YOU ARE
SOB = (well you know that one I am sure)
1910 = turn it around 01b1 = owe one - be one
rrbugholback_1999@ aol.com My hubby left..._1910 iqnvsop Fri 02/21
3k
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:49:38 -0800 (PST)
From: "Sully Sullivan" <sullisullivan2003(a)yahoo.com> | This is Spam | Add
to Address Book
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Enough why was this on this list
To: gholback_1999(a)yahoo.com
Run Gloria to your nearest pharma-psychiatrist to be put on some drug that
will help you.
You are the rudest and most obnoxious person I have ever met. Your pseudo
intellect is laughable and your class is non-existent.
You need the happy drug Prozac or perhaps lithium. You are one disturbed
and unbalanced person. Better double up and give some to that husband of
yours too.
Oh keep up the mud slinging and I will let loose! There are some tall tales
to be told on you.
Sulli
John, is such a nice man and a very kind man and he certainly has done
nothing to make anyone angry. So the hate is just for the sake of hating me
or others who do not agree with the person or persons who is responsible for
sending this mail. Wonder if anyone else is receiving anything like the ones
above? If you are you able to trace the proxy address back to the original
isp? Gloria
> I've not been clear about the "copyright" which is recommended that we
> include on the pages.
I would like to hear some other thoughts on this too.
I've heard some that say that I am wrong to put "Copyright 2003 by Bettie Wood"
& that something is by XXGenWeb Project. I hardly think that is
right, so sometimes I just put copyright 2003 & leave it at that. If they
want to use something from web pages I maintain, they should ask first
no matter who it says the copyrighted is by. That's just common courtesy.
I like to make what I call "Contact" pages. This contains all the submitters
donations, & their latest email addresses:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~garichmo/Contacts.html
When their email address changes, I only have to change on this
one spot. It has worked out great, & I have heard that it has helped
cut down on their spam. It makes it a little bit "harder" for people
to contact them, but no one breaks a sweat doing it this way.
Of course my email address is everywhere it needs to be, & my
spam is as strong as ever!! LOL Jimmy Epperson sent me his
java script thingey he uses, but I never have figured how to use it.
Bettie <><
For those of you who do private researching for clients - will you please
share with me how much you charge - is it per hour? Per project? Etc.
Do any of you list pros in your area on your county page?
If you would rather not reply to the group with figures - please just send me
a private email.
Thanks
MK Harrison
<A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A>
<A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=...">Ancestry.com</A>
I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war,
assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth
world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein
So much has been going on behind the scenes with trying to get some
microfiche copied (have solved that problem) and other things such as
helping with lookups for the Ben Hill and Irwin County Volunteers I have not
properly welcomed all of you who are brand new County Coordinators. Well
again, WELCOME. Glad you are a part of the GAGenWeb Project and if there is
anything that I can do to help you just let me know. Now, let me offer some
information that might help you during your first few days, weeks and months
with managing your pages. If you have any problems that wonderful guardian
angel better known as your Regional Coordinator is always there to help and
guide you. She/he is not there in a judgmental way. Your County Coordinator
will help you to get your page into compliance and sometimes the former CC
(county coordinator) may not have had the county pages in compliance with
the GAGenWeb Project Website Requirements. Not really difficult at all and
there are guides on line to help you as you check you page to make sure it
has all the required links back to the GAGenWeb Project. The Table for the
GA Counties and also the GAGenWeb Archives. But this is where that RC
(regional coordinator) can and will help you. As for the folks with the
GAGenWeb, some of us have been here a very long time, Tim Stowell, our State
Coordinator is one who has been and has given so much to the project. He is
always there for us when we need him and his leadership is and has always
been a beacon light. So he is always there for you when you can not contact
your RC or have a problem that only he could answer. But do go over to the
main page and go to the helpful links for CCs and see what all there. Maybe
some of the other senior County Coordinators who have been with the GAGenWeb
will offer some additional advise for getting your pages up and running.
Gloria Holback, Ben Hill and Irwin Counties
Good point Virginia!!! Hopefully I can help somewhat as a lot has changed
concerning hosting sites and copyright law since USGenWeb was started.
The design copyright of a county page remains with the former CC. This
includes page layouts, colors used, graphics and other html language and
programs such as java script.
Control of the raw data or content copyright stays with the submitter even
if that is the same as the CC. By virtue of this copyright, any and all
data can be removed from a USGenWeb County site at any time at the request
of the submitter. This is the basic principle of copyright law. CC's must
show who submitted the data to respect their copyright.
The USGenWeb project is just the same as any other organization or business
utilizing the internet to publish information on the web. It cannot write
it's own rules concerning copyrighted materials and keep information that
submitters donate without providing upfront disclosure that submitters are
giving up their copyrighted information by submitting or sharing it with a
USGenWeb county site. This is called 'terms of service".
In absence of this disclosure, the only thing that a data submitter has
obviously allowed USGenWeb to do is the massaging of this data visually for
displaying on a web page. That's it!!! And, this is not the same thing as
assuming 'copyright' of data.
Everyone needs to read Yahoo's "terms of service" and see what happens when
anyone posts anything to a yahoo site. Go to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ and scroll down abt 1/2 down the page.
Yahoo takes over the full copyright privileges if anything in the form of
written data is submitted to yahoo!!! Not just the rights to display that
information in a web page, but to further reproduce that data in other media
formats..such as CDs...which they can turn around and sell or put in a
database and charge access to that database, etc.
The rights of data submitters to USGenWeb Project must be protected by CCs
of the USGenWeb Project. This is the reason why USGenWeb guidelines have
stated that a copyright blub must be on all USGenWeb pages so no one tries
to steal USGenWeb info; but, that doesn't mean that USGenWeb has taken over
anyone's individual copyrights. To protect our raw data, this also means
that a CC cannot upload their county pages to just any server that will lay
claim to it by their "terms of service". It is imperative that all CCs read
a web hosting site's "terms of service" BEFORE uploading their county
pages!!!!!!!!!!!
WARNING...any county site uploaded today to yahoo, angelfire, msn,
homestead, aol, or FTM, even your local ISP's free web space are
jeopardizing USGenWeb data submissions' copyrights. This is also true for
personal genealogy sites uploaded to these places!!! This is also true when
uploading genealogy data to most message boards!! This is also true when
uploading an individual's FTW file to FTM.
For help in locating great places to host your county site that avoid these
problems AND have no popups, visit:
http://www.ancestraldesigns.com/designtips/ and click on "Finding a Home".
C.A.T.
Carol Ann Tindell, Blue Ridge, GA
CC for Fannin, Dawson & Old Walton Cos., GA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Crilley" <varcsix(a)hot.rr.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 8:21 AM
Subject: [GAGEN] Credit for work
> As our counties continue to change hands, it would be a good thing to be
> sure that proper credit is given for work that has been done.
>
> Many times it is by an individual contributor and most of the time, I
think
> these are documented.
>
> However, if the CC does the work, out of modesty he may not always state
> that on the page. Then when a new CC "assumes" the page, it is passed
> along, but the person who actually did it is sometimes lost.
>
> Sometimes even the "previous" CC's name is lost and forgotten.
>
> I've not been clear about the "copyright" which is recommended that we
> include on the pages.
>
> Should this copyright continue to say the original person on the page
where
> he did the data?
>
> Or does the new CC place their name on all the pages?
>
> Virginia Crilley
>
>
>
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