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>>>When did you get your start in
genealogy? And how long have you been doing genealogy? Instead of
where you live, ask how you're connected to the county you represent.>>
I have no objection to the bio idea, especially since it's optional. I really
like the above suggestions. After all, genealogy is the core of the GAGenWeb.
But I'm not sending in a picture...it might break y'all's monitors. :-)
Do you already have the page up somewhere? Maybe I missed that part....
Dawn
I'd like to look at the Kentucky page if you'd send the url.
I have a concern about too much info being posted for all to see. I
don't think where you live or work is a good idea. I would however
like to recommend a question like; When did you get your start in
genealogy? And how long have you been doing genealogy? Instead of
where you live, ask how you're connected to the county you represent.
--
Kati Smith
kimis(a)bellsouth.net
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elverspeak/
>From the very beginning of this, I had decided to remain silent. I'm
brand new and didn't feel that I had enough knowledge concerning the
previous debate to participate in the current squabble. I was just
going to read and delete until it passed. That's now changed.
First if you have an opinion on whether or not you'd like to have a
vote, by all means post it. Post how it would benefit you or why you
think it wouldn't. Don't just reply in heat to what you've seen posted
to the list. Ponder it a while. And the name bashing needs to stop.
I'd also like to see an end to the posts that belittle others just
because they have an opinion. I hate to see phrases like, "this is
just my opinion", as if we have to justify ourselves, just because we
have one.
Second. At first, I thought it was a good idea that the list was
moderated for a short period of time. But I've changed my mind on that
too, because it opened up a new can of worms. I started receiving
messages from some of those not able to post to the list. One implied
that I was weak for not participating. I replied and asked them to
remove me from their mailings, yet I have continued to receive their
posts. So to those private mailers, lest you continue to think me
weak, please remove me from your mailing list or I will report you to
your ISP.
Third. I'd like to thank whoever started the Photo/BioBits thread.
It's wonderful to have something else to talk about.
--
Kati Smith
Ware County CC
kimis(a)bellsouth.net
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~elverspeak/
If we are volunteers whose mission is to gather and post information on
websites for the purpose of genealogy, why would we want to be using
valuable time (that could be spent transcribing/posting) with creation of a
"social organization" within GAGenWeb? Bios/photos of CC's (and the folks
who "out rank" them in this group) are just not what I thought we were
about. My opinion is: It's not about 'getting to know you', but more about
'getting busy' on the real work and leaving personalities out of it.
S. Rankin
Pickens CC
When I think about it I'm trying to get it on both lists. I personally don't
think Tim would
block this kind of dialog on GAGEN however I feel there are members probably
still
not getting messages from GAGEN so I'm afraid not to use this list as well
as it's their only
means of communication with the group now.
debra
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bosque Lover" <nana321(a)txucom.net>
To: <GAGENCHAT-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:05 AM
Subject: [GAGENCHAT] Re: [GAGEN] Etc.
> I'm trying to understand why this can't all go to our state list GAGEN-L?
> That's where we know all the CCs can see & be involved? Tim has said the
list
> is now unmoderated, & as long as we are not flaming, & being ugly, it will
> probably stay unmoderated. Don't you think it will show some "union",
> sincerity, and/or seriousness in what is trying to be accomplished? If
the list
> became moderated again, it's easy enough to move back to the chat list.
We
> don't even know if Tim & all the RCs are on the chat list & can see all
these
> concerns.
> Bettie <><
>
>
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Those of us who do not wish to fill out such information will be under no
obligation to do so.
I, for one, would surrender my county before I would put such information
online.
Carol
At 08:38 PM 1/30/2003, Debra Crosby wrote:
>It could just be on an obscure address and hard to find,, like the
>guidelines unless someone passes
>us the link!!! LOL
>
>Debra
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "jimmy" <eppy(a)ticnet.com>
>To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 2:32 AM
>Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Photos/Bio Bits
>
>
> > I would rather not have secure servers or information. It would be nearly
> > impossible to keep the password limited to active CC's, or we would have
>to have
> > an individual password and userid for each CC. Too much overhead.... at
>least
> > for me!!
> >
> > Good idea tho!!
> >
> > thanks
> > jimmy
> >
> >
> >
> > John Holback wrote:
> >
> > > Why not have this somewhere online that only those with password could
>get
> > > into the files for our security and protection of us all. Could you
>set it
> > > up like that Jimmy? So only those who are members of the GAGenWeb will
>have
> > > access to the files/pages?
> > > Gloria
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Debra Crosby" <poohbos(a)poohbos.com>
> > > To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:35 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Photos/Bio Bits
> > >
> > > > I think the format Jeanne suggested is great, but I would add an
> > > additional
> > > > field for extra comments.
> > > > As I am unemployed at the moment in England and would have a hard time
> > > > justifying my involvement
> > > > in the GAGenWeb if I didn't have room to clarify that somewhere. This
> > > > comment field would allow
> > > > us to add as much or as little as we wish to share. Though in all
>honesty
> > > > the person who is actually
> > > > posting these records should watch or question should someone decide
>to
> > > give
> > > > birth dates, or other
> > > > vital information which could lead to problems.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My name is:
> > > > I live in:
> > > > My current/previous profession:
> > > > My hobbies are:
> > > > I've been involved with GAGenWeb since:
> > > > I became involved because:
> > > > Additional Comments:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "jimmy" <eppy(a)ticnet.com>
> > > > To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:22 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Photos/Bio Bits
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > That is an excellent idea.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now the question is.... are you volunteering, or will someone
>volunteer
> > > to
> > > > take
> > > > > the form and make a write up from it and not make it look canned?
> > > > >
> > > > > Give me the questions and I'll put the form together.
> > > > >
> > > > > jimmy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeanne Arguelles wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Cool! Can't wait to see the pages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This might be more complicated than it's worth, but... some folks
> > > might
> > > > not
> > > > > > be keen on writing their own "bio". To make it easier, maybe we
>could
> > > > come
> > > > > > up with a short list of questions so that the less loquacious
>among us
> > > > can
> > > > > > just "fill in the blanks" with as much or as little info as they
>want.
> > > > Such
> > > > > > as:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My name is:
> > > > > > I live in:
> > > > > > My current/previous profession:
> > > > > > My hobbies are:
> > > > > > I've been involved with GAGenWeb since:
> > > > > > I became involved because:
> > > > > > ...or whatever.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeanne
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes... the project is still on, and I'm almost finished and
>almost
> > > > ready
> > > > > > to make
> > > > > > > it public!!! I set up a page for each county, with those cc's
>w/o a
> > > > > > picture
> > > > > > > simply stating photo not available!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't have a bio on them, but it would be easy to add if you
>want
> > > to
> > > > > > send them
> > > > > > > to me!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > jimmy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeanne Arguelles wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > that but I don't know why
> > > > > > > > > we couldn't submit little "bio bits" about ourselves.
> > > > > > > > > No one has to get too personal and a photo wouldn't be
>required.
> > > > > > > > > I thought it made good sense.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I thought Jimmy's idea was a really neat one, and so is the
>"bio
> > > > bits."
> > > > > > > > What a great way for people to get to know each other. I hope
> > > that
> > > > > > project
> > > > > > > > is still on and that everyone will participate! Not only
>would it
> > > > be
> > > > > > "fun",
> > > > > > > > but it's a lot harder to slam someone when you view them as an
> > > > actual
> > > > > > human
> > > > > > > > being and not just a name on an email list.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jeanne Arguelles
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > > > > > > > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster??
> > > > > > > > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at:
> > > > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > > > > > > Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise
>it
> > > on
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > list!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > > > > > Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to
> > > > preserve
> > > > > > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person
> > > searching
> > > > > > their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that
>deals
> > > > > > with just this type of research. Please refer them to:
> > > > > > http://www.adoption.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > > > > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with
>links
> > > > > to the most popular Surname sites:
> > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > > > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with
>links
> > > > to the most popular Surname sites:
> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/
> > > >
> > >
> > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > > Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at:
> > > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html
> >
> >
> >
> > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster??
> > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at:
> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm
> >
> >
>
>
>==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
>Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this
>list!
Carol C-H <cch(a)netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/
I would rather not have secure servers or information. It would be nearly
impossible to keep the password limited to active CC's, or we would have to have
an individual password and userid for each CC. Too much overhead.... at least
for me!!
Good idea tho!!
thanks
jimmy
John Holback wrote:
> Why not have this somewhere online that only those with password could get
> into the files for our security and protection of us all. Could you set it
> up like that Jimmy? So only those who are members of the GAGenWeb will have
> access to the files/pages?
> Gloria
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Debra Crosby" <poohbos(a)poohbos.com>
> To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Photos/Bio Bits
>
> > I think the format Jeanne suggested is great, but I would add an
> additional
> > field for extra comments.
> > As I am unemployed at the moment in England and would have a hard time
> > justifying my involvement
> > in the GAGenWeb if I didn't have room to clarify that somewhere. This
> > comment field would allow
> > us to add as much or as little as we wish to share. Though in all honesty
> > the person who is actually
> > posting these records should watch or question should someone decide to
> give
> > birth dates, or other
> > vital information which could lead to problems.
> >
> >
> >
> > My name is:
> > I live in:
> > My current/previous profession:
> > My hobbies are:
> > I've been involved with GAGenWeb since:
> > I became involved because:
> > Additional Comments:
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jimmy" <eppy(a)ticnet.com>
> > To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 1:22 AM
> > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Photos/Bio Bits
> >
> >
> > > That is an excellent idea.
> > >
> > > Now the question is.... are you volunteering, or will someone volunteer
> to
> > take
> > > the form and make a write up from it and not make it look canned?
> > >
> > > Give me the questions and I'll put the form together.
> > >
> > > jimmy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jeanne Arguelles wrote:
> > >
> > > > Cool! Can't wait to see the pages.
> > > >
> > > > This might be more complicated than it's worth, but... some folks
> might
> > not
> > > > be keen on writing their own "bio". To make it easier, maybe we could
> > come
> > > > up with a short list of questions so that the less loquacious among us
> > can
> > > > just "fill in the blanks" with as much or as little info as they want.
> > Such
> > > > as:
> > > >
> > > > My name is:
> > > > I live in:
> > > > My current/previous profession:
> > > > My hobbies are:
> > > > I've been involved with GAGenWeb since:
> > > > I became involved because:
> > > > ...or whatever.
> > > >
> > > > Jeanne
> > > >
> > > > > Yes... the project is still on, and I'm almost finished and almost
> > ready
> > > > to make
> > > > > it public!!! I set up a page for each county, with those cc's w/o a
> > > > picture
> > > > > simply stating photo not available!!
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't have a bio on them, but it would be easy to add if you want
> to
> > > > send them
> > > > > to me!
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > jimmy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeanne Arguelles wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > that but I don't know why
> > > > > > > we couldn't submit little "bio bits" about ourselves.
> > > > > > > No one has to get too personal and a photo wouldn't be required.
> > > > > > > I thought it made good sense.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I thought Jimmy's idea was a really neat one, and so is the "bio
> > bits."
> > > > > > What a great way for people to get to know each other. I hope
> that
> > > > project
> > > > > > is still on and that everyone will participate! Not only would it
> > be
> > > > "fun",
> > > > > > but it's a lot harder to slam someone when you view them as an
> > actual
> > > > human
> > > > > > being and not just a name on an email list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeanne Arguelles
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > > > > > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster??
> > > > > > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at:
> > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > > > > Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it
> on
> > > > this
> > > > > list!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > > > Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to
> > preserve
> > > > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person
> searching
> > > > their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals
> > > > with just this type of research. Please refer them to:
> > > > http://www.adoption.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links
> > > to the most popular Surname sites:
> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links
> > to the most popular Surname sites:
> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/
> >
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at:
> http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html
Well maybe can start now sending to both lists, & if someone has questions about what's happening, some Chat person might have the message/s needed to fill in? Do you think that would work?
Bettie <><
> Bettie, that is fine with me but I deleted all of the old messages that were
> posted within the last few hours. If you find some which you think would be
> helpful then copy them to the GAGEN L...don't think that would be a problem
> with anyone at least not with me. Gloria
Cool! Can't wait to see the pages.
This might be more complicated than it's worth, but... some folks might not
be keen on writing their own "bio". To make it easier, maybe we could come
up with a short list of questions so that the less loquacious among us can
just "fill in the blanks" with as much or as little info as they want. Such
as:
My name is:
I live in:
My current/previous profession:
My hobbies are:
I've been involved with GAGenWeb since:
I became involved because:
...or whatever.
Jeanne
> Yes... the project is still on, and I'm almost finished and almost ready
to make
> it public!!! I set up a page for each county, with those cc's w/o a
picture
> simply stating photo not available!!
>
> I don't have a bio on them, but it would be easy to add if you want to
send them
> to me!
>
> Thanks
> jimmy
>
>
>
>
> Jeanne Arguelles wrote:
>
> > > that but I don't know why
> > > we couldn't submit little "bio bits" about ourselves.
> > > No one has to get too personal and a photo wouldn't be required.
> > > I thought it made good sense.
> >
> > I thought Jimmy's idea was a really neat one, and so is the "bio bits."
> > What a great way for people to get to know each other. I hope that
project
> > is still on and that everyone will participate! Not only would it be
"fun",
> > but it's a lot harder to slam someone when you view them as an actual
human
> > being and not just a name on an email list.
> >
> > Jeanne Arguelles
> >
> > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster??
> > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at:
> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm
>
>
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on
this
> list!
>
>
I'm trying to understand why this can't all go to our state list GAGEN-L?
That's where we know all the CCs can see & be involved? Tim has said the list
is now unmoderated, & as long as we are not flaming, & being ugly, it will
probably stay unmoderated. Don't you think it will show some "union",
sincerity, and/or seriousness in what is trying to be accomplished? If the list
became moderated again, it's easy enough to move back to the chat list. We
don't even know if Tim & all the RCs are on the chat list & can see all these
concerns.
Bettie <><
I meant to add that if the RC is difficult to work with and does not help
those within their region or is too heavy handed they should not be RC. So
all who put their names in the hat at election time should be someone we all
can trust and respect regardless of how well we know them personally. For
the most part the folks of the GAGenWeb Project are a good group to work
with.
----- Original Message -----
From: <BooleyGirl(a)aol.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 5:32 PM
Subject: [GAGEN] Etc.
> >>with respect to what you suggests that RCs are selected and then voted
> on by the CCs in that Region only. That would encourage some to elect who
> they "like" and not who would be the best person for the job>>
>
> Yes, that's exactly right...the whole point of free elections. We vote on
who
> we like, who we know. That person may or may not be the best person for
the
> job, but it is someone with whom we can work in harmony. Besides which,
and I
> believe I've already made this point, but what right do those outside the
> Northeast region have to decide who is best for the position of Northeast
RC?
> Will anyone else have to work with this person? No. Will anyone else come
to
> this person for help and guidance? No. The same is true for every region
in
> the state. I do not want to be responsible for electing a person to RC in
> another region with whom those CCs will not be able to work.
>
> >>Also though
> there may be a lot of folks in the region there are always going to be
those
> who do not want to vote, do not want to serve and so forth. >>
> >>For any election to work the CCs need to take more
> interest in the internal workings of the project. Check out how many in
your
> region has a real interest in serving as RC or even as SC. Think we all
need
> to check this out as you might find there are only a few and those will be
> the ones who will be in office for a long time if no one else wants to
> challenge them later in elections.>>
>
> My POO (as Wyndell said), but these are moot points. There will always be
> people who do not participate in the election process, and there may be
times
> when no one (or almost no one) wants the "job". Be that as it may, I
strongly
> feel that a person who represents a region should be elected by that
region,
> no matter how few or how many CCs from that region voted. To do otherwise
> would negate the whole purpose of having RCs. Why have them at all if they
> represent the whole state? Why not just do away with the RCs and let the
CCs
> go it alone?
>
> Since I feel the RC system is a good one and has potential to be even
better
> (again, my POO), then the most logical course to take is one wherein RCs
are
> elected regionally. I'm sorry, but I have a very large problem with
someone
> else imposing their will on me, or with someone else making decisions for
me.
> That very notion precludes having statewide elections for RCs, and I would
> strongly oppose guidelines that included such terms.
>
> Also, just because someone is not active on the mailing list, that doesn't
> mean they aren't interested in the project. I've sent many concerned
e-mails
> to Keith when he was the RC for the Northeast region, and a few to Tim,
> because I didn't want my POO to disrupt the list. I don't believe in
stirring
> the hornet's nest just to watch the bees fly.
>
> I do believe the system is broken (to some degree), and I had an idea to
fix
> it (although, it certainly wasn't a new idea). Otherwise, I would've
quietly
> made my opinions known to Margie, my RC. Which is what she's there for.
Which
> is why I'd like the chance to choose my own representative. Not because I
do
> or don't like the current RCs or SC, but because if we're going to
politicize
> this project, then I should have some say in who represents me and who is
> responsible, to some degree, for keeping me within the boundaries of the
> project.
>
> Ok, ok, I'll shush now....
>
> Dawn
>
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve
> the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching
> their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals
> with just this type of research. Please refer them to:
> http://www.adoption.org
>
It would not hurt anyone to fget to know the others who are part of the
GAGenWeb and not limit their knowledge of people to just their own region.
There are those who do know the others from being here for a long time. But
we have gotten to know one another from visiting other counties and helping
one another get set up. So if you limit yourself to knowing only those in
your region...yes that is a problem with knowing who to vote for.
----- Original Message -----
From: <BooleyGirl(a)aol.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 5:32 PM
Subject: [GAGEN] Etc.
> >>with respect to what you suggests that RCs are selected and then voted
> on by the CCs in that Region only. That would encourage some to elect who
> they "like" and not who would be the best person for the job>>
>
> Yes, that's exactly right...the whole point of free elections. We vote on
who
> we like, who we know. That person may or may not be the best person for
the
> job, but it is someone with whom we can work in harmony. Besides which,
and I
> believe I've already made this point, but what right do those outside the
> Northeast region have to decide who is best for the position of Northeast
RC?
> Will anyone else have to work with this person? No. Will anyone else come
to
> this person for help and guidance? No. The same is true for every region
in
> the state. I do not want to be responsible for electing a person to RC in
> another region with whom those CCs will not be able to work.
>
> >>Also though
> there may be a lot of folks in the region there are always going to be
those
> who do not want to vote, do not want to serve and so forth. >>
> >>For any election to work the CCs need to take more
> interest in the internal workings of the project. Check out how many in
your
> region has a real interest in serving as RC or even as SC. Think we all
need
> to check this out as you might find there are only a few and those will be
> the ones who will be in office for a long time if no one else wants to
> challenge them later in elections.>>
>
> My POO (as Wyndell said), but these are moot points. There will always be
> people who do not participate in the election process, and there may be
times
> when no one (or almost no one) wants the "job". Be that as it may, I
strongly
> feel that a person who represents a region should be elected by that
region,
> no matter how few or how many CCs from that region voted. To do otherwise
> would negate the whole purpose of having RCs. Why have them at all if they
> represent the whole state? Why not just do away with the RCs and let the
CCs
> go it alone?
>
> Since I feel the RC system is a good one and has potential to be even
better
> (again, my POO), then the most logical course to take is one wherein RCs
are
> elected regionally. I'm sorry, but I have a very large problem with
someone
> else imposing their will on me, or with someone else making decisions for
me.
> That very notion precludes having statewide elections for RCs, and I would
> strongly oppose guidelines that included such terms.
>
> Also, just because someone is not active on the mailing list, that doesn't
> mean they aren't interested in the project. I've sent many concerned
e-mails
> to Keith when he was the RC for the Northeast region, and a few to Tim,
> because I didn't want my POO to disrupt the list. I don't believe in
stirring
> the hornet's nest just to watch the bees fly.
>
> I do believe the system is broken (to some degree), and I had an idea to
fix
> it (although, it certainly wasn't a new idea). Otherwise, I would've
quietly
> made my opinions known to Margie, my RC. Which is what she's there for.
Which
> is why I'd like the chance to choose my own representative. Not because I
do
> or don't like the current RCs or SC, but because if we're going to
politicize
> this project, then I should have some say in who represents me and who is
> responsible, to some degree, for keeping me within the boundaries of the
> project.
>
> Ok, ok, I'll shush now....
>
> Dawn
>
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve
> the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching
> their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals
> with just this type of research. Please refer them to:
> http://www.adoption.org
>
That would encourage cliques and not be democratic.. Special interests....I
have no interest in running for any office but only suggest it be a
statewide election. The person need not have a direct interest in any county
but only the desire to assist others and represent the all CCs in the
county. Voting within only the Region encourages cliques and I am against
that. There is not such thing in our Region and never has been but there may
be some that have little groups which exclude the other ccs or new ccs and I
for one would like to see that this not become a problem in any region.
----- Original Message -----
From: <BooleyGirl(a)aol.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 5:32 PM
Subject: [GAGEN] Etc.
> >>with respect to what you suggests that RCs are selected and then voted
> on by the CCs in that Region only. That would encourage some to elect who
> they "like" and not who would be the best person for the job>>
>
> Yes, that's exactly right...the whole point of free elections. We vote on
who
> we like, who we know. That person may or may not be the best person for
the
> job, but it is someone with whom we can work in harmony. Besides which,
and I
> believe I've already made this point, but what right do those outside the
> Northeast region have to decide who is best for the position of Northeast
RC?
> Will anyone else have to work with this person? No. Will anyone else come
to
> this person for help and guidance? No. The same is true for every region
in
> the state. I do not want to be responsible for electing a person to RC in
> another region with whom those CCs will not be able to work.
>
> >>Also though
> there may be a lot of folks in the region there are always going to be
those
> who do not want to vote, do not want to serve and so forth. >>
> >>For any election to work the CCs need to take more
> interest in the internal workings of the project. Check out how many in
your
> region has a real interest in serving as RC or even as SC. Think we all
need
> to check this out as you might find there are only a few and those will be
> the ones who will be in office for a long time if no one else wants to
> challenge them later in elections.>>
>
> My POO (as Wyndell said), but these are moot points. There will always be
> people who do not participate in the election process, and there may be
times
> when no one (or almost no one) wants the "job". Be that as it may, I
strongly
> feel that a person who represents a region should be elected by that
region,
> no matter how few or how many CCs from that region voted. To do otherwise
> would negate the whole purpose of having RCs. Why have them at all if they
> represent the whole state? Why not just do away with the RCs and let the
CCs
> go it alone?
>
> Since I feel the RC system is a good one and has potential to be even
better
> (again, my POO), then the most logical course to take is one wherein RCs
are
> elected regionally. I'm sorry, but I have a very large problem with
someone
> else imposing their will on me, or with someone else making decisions for
me.
> That very notion precludes having statewide elections for RCs, and I would
> strongly oppose guidelines that included such terms.
>
> Also, just because someone is not active on the mailing list, that doesn't
> mean they aren't interested in the project. I've sent many concerned
e-mails
> to Keith when he was the RC for the Northeast region, and a few to Tim,
> because I didn't want my POO to disrupt the list. I don't believe in
stirring
> the hornet's nest just to watch the bees fly.
>
> I do believe the system is broken (to some degree), and I had an idea to
fix
> it (although, it certainly wasn't a new idea). Otherwise, I would've
quietly
> made my opinions known to Margie, my RC. Which is what she's there for.
Which
> is why I'd like the chance to choose my own representative. Not because I
do
> or don't like the current RCs or SC, but because if we're going to
politicize
> this project, then I should have some say in who represents me and who is
> responsible, to some degree, for keeping me within the boundaries of the
> project.
>
> Ok, ok, I'll shush now....
>
> Dawn
>
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve
> the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching
> their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals
> with just this type of research. Please refer them to:
> http://www.adoption.org
>
>>with respect to what you suggests that RCs are selected and then voted
on by the CCs in that Region only. That would encourage some to elect who
they "like" and not who would be the best person for the job>>
Yes, that's exactly right...the whole point of free elections. We vote on who
we like, who we know. That person may or may not be the best person for the
job, but it is someone with whom we can work in harmony. Besides which, and I
believe I've already made this point, but what right do those outside the
Northeast region have to decide who is best for the position of Northeast RC?
Will anyone else have to work with this person? No. Will anyone else come to
this person for help and guidance? No. The same is true for every region in
the state. I do not want to be responsible for electing a person to RC in
another region with whom those CCs will not be able to work.
>>Also though
there may be a lot of folks in the region there are always going to be those
who do not want to vote, do not want to serve and so forth. >>
>>For any election to work the CCs need to take more
interest in the internal workings of the project. Check out how many in your
region has a real interest in serving as RC or even as SC. Think we all need
to check this out as you might find there are only a few and those will be
the ones who will be in office for a long time if no one else wants to
challenge them later in elections.>>
My POO (as Wyndell said), but these are moot points. There will always be
people who do not participate in the election process, and there may be times
when no one (or almost no one) wants the "job". Be that as it may, I strongly
feel that a person who represents a region should be elected by that region,
no matter how few or how many CCs from that region voted. To do otherwise
would negate the whole purpose of having RCs. Why have them at all if they
represent the whole state? Why not just do away with the RCs and let the CCs
go it alone?
Since I feel the RC system is a good one and has potential to be even better
(again, my POO), then the most logical course to take is one wherein RCs are
elected regionally. I'm sorry, but I have a very large problem with someone
else imposing their will on me, or with someone else making decisions for me.
That very notion precludes having statewide elections for RCs, and I would
strongly oppose guidelines that included such terms.
Also, just because someone is not active on the mailing list, that doesn't
mean they aren't interested in the project. I've sent many concerned e-mails
to Keith when he was the RC for the Northeast region, and a few to Tim,
because I didn't want my POO to disrupt the list. I don't believe in stirring
the hornet's nest just to watch the bees fly.
I do believe the system is broken (to some degree), and I had an idea to fix
it (although, it certainly wasn't a new idea). Otherwise, I would've quietly
made my opinions known to Margie, my RC. Which is what she's there for. Which
is why I'd like the chance to choose my own representative. Not because I do
or don't like the current RCs or SC, but because if we're going to politicize
this project, then I should have some say in who represents me and who is
responsible, to some degree, for keeping me within the boundaries of the
project.
Ok, ok, I'll shush now....
Dawn
Dawn, with respect to what you suggests that RCs are selected and then voted
on by the CCs in that Region only. That would encourage some to elect who
they "like" and not who would be the best person for the job. Also though
there may be a lot of folks in the region there are always going to be those
who do not want to vote, do not want to serve and so forth. When anyone is
up for any post during an election they should have a page where everyone
can go and learn something about that person. Also if you go back into the
GAGen-L archives and look at some of the old messages you can learn
something about that person and how they might think. Take a look at that
persons pages and see how they have the pages set up. Are they someone who
has a lot of pride in their pages and do they seem to be someone who really
cares about the project. I have already been RC and do not want that post
or any other post. I am very happy minding my pages and a lot of others may
feel the same way. Sometimes it is who will take the position and not who is
voted in. There in the past has been a lot of apathy regarding the political
side of the project. For any election to work the CCs need to take more
interest in the internal workings of the project. Check out how many in your
region has a real interest in serving as RC or even as SC. Think we all need
to check this out as you might find there are only a few and those will be
the ones who will be in office for a long time if no one else wants to
challenge them later in elections. So what have we gained if that is the
case. Tim took the job of SC when no one else really wanted it and he has
been there. Like Wyndell said there was a time when none of us could ever
get an answer form the SC when we wrote for help. Along came Tim and then
along came Keith and we had life lines. I for one feel very sad that Tim and
Keith have had problems and hope somehow those two fellows will put their
feelings to one side and help us to think out what is best for the future of
the GAGenWeb Project. This is no war of them and us we are all a part of a
wonderful project which hopefully will be here on the Web for a very long
time. But we need to stop this war and turn this into a group effort to make
some decisions with Tim and the others included. If the list gets too hot
and flames start being thrown then unsub that person from either list but we
all are a part of this project and I don't think Tim wants the job of SC
forever, don't think that was ever his intention, he was asked by many of us
to continue as SC when no one else wanted it. Gloria
Gloria
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeanne Arguelles" <ejarguelles(a)msn.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Guidelines
> I agree. If RC were to become an elected position, they should be elected
> by the CCs within that region, for the reasons Dawn outlined.
>
> Jeanne Arguelles
> Madison & Oglethorpe
>
>
> > >
> > > The RCs should be elected regionally because they would, ideally,
serve
> as
> > a
> > > representative voice only for the CCs in their region and not for the
> > whole
> > > state. For example, Margie Daniels is the CC for my region (sorry to
> pick
> > on
> > > you, Margie, but I need an example). Say the people in the Northeast
> > region
> > > like Margie fine, that she's done a good job for us as RC, and we
would
> > like
> > > her to continue. But, let's suppose the rest of GA just doesn't like
> > Margie
> > > at all and would like to see her replaced with someone else. In this
> case,
> > > the CCs statewide would try to vote an RC out of a region even though
> the
> > CCs
> > > in that region voted for the RC to stay on. What right do the CCs in
the
> > rest
> > > of the state have to decide whether Margie does an adequate job in the
> > > Northeast region when she is representing us and only us to the
GAGenWeb
> > > council? (Again, my apologies, Margie!)
> > >
> > > As for the election process, perhaps elections for RCs should be held
at
> > one
> > > time on a statewide basis (say, at the same time the SC is elected),
but
> > in
> > > such a way that only CCs within the Northeast region could vote for
the
> > > Northeast RC, and so forth. Perhaps a clause could be inserted
providing
> > for
> > > the appointment of a vacant RC position by the SC or the GAGenWeb
> council
> > > until a new RC could be elected, with preference being given first to
> CCs
> > > within that region.
> > >
> > > Also, should RCs be limited to holding two counties (with the region
> they
> > > serve acting as a third county), or do their duties as RC allow them
> > enough
> > > time to fully devote themselves to three counties AND being a regional
> > > representative? I just realized (because of a post by Wyndell Taylor)
> that
> > I
> > > have no idea exactly how time-consuming being an RC is.
> > >
> > > My apologies if this e-mail is somewhat confusing; it's difficult to
> write
> > > clearly when your husband is standing over your shoulder pointing out
> > > grammatical errors.
> > >
> > > Dawn Watson
> > > Rabun Co., GAGenWeb
> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~garabun/
> > >
> > >
> > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > > USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online
information.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to
preserve
> > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching
> > their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals
> > with just this type of research. Please refer them to:
> > http://www.adoption.org
> >
> >
>
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't
> hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find
> info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html
>
>
RCs should also be a statewide election and not within that region. Though
each of us will need to learn who the persons are that are running for that
position and not just put and X or Check mark by one of the names. In the
past a lot of CCs have not wanted to be involved in the politics of the
project. Hopefully this will change or has changed. Gloria
----- Original Message -----
From: <BooleyGirl(a)aol.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 1:55 PM
Subject: [GAGEN] Guidelines
> >>1. RCs elected within their regions. Why not statewide? How would you
> conduct a regional election, since the only vehicle we have is a statewide
> mailing list?
> 2. A council newsletter? That's an excellent idea!>>
>
> I am most definitely in favor of elected RCs and SCs, but I do think the
ASC
> should be appointed by the SC (since their primary function would be to
> assist the SC), as long as it's clear in the guidelines that the ASC may
> serve as the SC in an emergency-capacity only should the SC have to step
down
> (for whatever reason) until an election could be held for a new SC. I hope
> that sentence wasn't too confusing.
>
> The RCs should be elected regionally because they would, ideally, serve as
a
> representative voice only for the CCs in their region and not for the
whole
> state. For example, Margie Daniels is the CC for my region (sorry to pick
on
> you, Margie, but I need an example). Say the people in the Northeast
region
> like Margie fine, that she's done a good job for us as RC, and we would
like
> her to continue. But, let's suppose the rest of GA just doesn't like
Margie
> at all and would like to see her replaced with someone else. In this case,
> the CCs statewide would try to vote an RC out of a region even though the
CCs
> in that region voted for the RC to stay on. What right do the CCs in the
rest
> of the state have to decide whether Margie does an adequate job in the
> Northeast region when she is representing us and only us to the GAGenWeb
> council? (Again, my apologies, Margie!)
>
> As for the election process, perhaps elections for RCs should be held at
one
> time on a statewide basis (say, at the same time the SC is elected), but
in
> such a way that only CCs within the Northeast region could vote for the
> Northeast RC, and so forth. Perhaps a clause could be inserted providing
for
> the appointment of a vacant RC position by the SC or the GAGenWeb council
> until a new RC could be elected, with preference being given first to CCs
> within that region.
>
> Also, should RCs be limited to holding two counties (with the region they
> serve acting as a third county), or do their duties as RC allow them
enough
> time to fully devote themselves to three counties AND being a regional
> representative? I just realized (because of a post by Wyndell Taylor) that
I
> have no idea exactly how time-consuming being an RC is.
>
> My apologies if this e-mail is somewhat confusing; it's difficult to write
> clearly when your husband is standing over your shoulder pointing out
> grammatical errors.
>
> Dawn Watson
> Rabun Co., GAGenWeb
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~garabun/
>
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information.
>
>>1. RCs elected within their regions. Why not statewide? How would you
conduct a regional election, since the only vehicle we have is a statewide
mailing list?
2. A council newsletter? That's an excellent idea!>>
I am most definitely in favor of elected RCs and SCs, but I do think the ASC
should be appointed by the SC (since their primary function would be to
assist the SC), as long as it's clear in the guidelines that the ASC may
serve as the SC in an emergency-capacity only should the SC have to step down
(for whatever reason) until an election could be held for a new SC. I hope
that sentence wasn't too confusing.
The RCs should be elected regionally because they would, ideally, serve as a
representative voice only for the CCs in their region and not for the whole
state. For example, Margie Daniels is the CC for my region (sorry to pick on
you, Margie, but I need an example). Say the people in the Northeast region
like Margie fine, that she's done a good job for us as RC, and we would like
her to continue. But, let's suppose the rest of GA just doesn't like Margie
at all and would like to see her replaced with someone else. In this case,
the CCs statewide would try to vote an RC out of a region even though the CCs
in that region voted for the RC to stay on. What right do the CCs in the rest
of the state have to decide whether Margie does an adequate job in the
Northeast region when she is representing us and only us to the GAGenWeb
council? (Again, my apologies, Margie!)
As for the election process, perhaps elections for RCs should be held at one
time on a statewide basis (say, at the same time the SC is elected), but in
such a way that only CCs within the Northeast region could vote for the
Northeast RC, and so forth. Perhaps a clause could be inserted providing for
the appointment of a vacant RC position by the SC or the GAGenWeb council
until a new RC could be elected, with preference being given first to CCs
within that region.
Also, should RCs be limited to holding two counties (with the region they
serve acting as a third county), or do their duties as RC allow them enough
time to fully devote themselves to three counties AND being a regional
representative? I just realized (because of a post by Wyndell Taylor) that I
have no idea exactly how time-consuming being an RC is.
My apologies if this e-mail is somewhat confusing; it's difficult to write
clearly when your husband is standing over your shoulder pointing out
grammatical errors.
Dawn Watson
Rabun Co., GAGenWeb
http://www.rootsweb.com/~garabun/
Vivian,
I absolutely think t here should be an election for the SC and ASC positions.
I also like the idea of the CCs electing their own RC.
Everyone must be a willing participate. Just like in our real lives, if you
don't vote - you don't get to sit on the sofa and complain.
Since we are a largish group, something has to be said about absentee votes
and/or proxies at election time.
The subject of the SC's control of the list has to be discussed too.
Censorship is wrong and is against the law. There are instances when a post
should be removed. While cursing and such doesn't offend me, I am sure it
does many of you; therefore, you shouldn't have to be subjected to it.
Flaming emails are inappropriate. I liked Tim's idea of those he questioned
he would present to the board for a final decision whether or not to allow
them.
We are all adults in a volunteer situation. If an email slips through that
is offensive or even slanderous, we will get over it. Because the posts are
archived, I do believe that the SC has the right to remove them, after
consulting the Board. I do not believe that she/he has the right to
determine what I can or cannot receive.
On the other hand, our Court systems are set up to hear all relevant facts -
not hearsay. In our unique circumstances, we have to decide which is which -
and whom to believe.
This isn't a perfect system - nor is it a perfect world. I agree with Isaiah
Harrison about the SC will never make everyone happy all of the time. When
one is dealing with this many personalities and egos, that is virtually (pun
intended) impossible.
If we vote in the wrong person, then we shall pay for it. Unless an
impeachment clause is put in. If over half of the CCs are unhappy with their
leaders/representatives, we will become ineffective.
I hope our goals are the same - or similar. Georgia is so important to the
genealogical world that we have to step up and lead as examples. Positive
example.
MK Harrison
<A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A>
<A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A>
<A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=...">Ancestry.com</A>
"Either that wallpaper goes, or I do."
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