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Please folks. This issue has been debated well by both sides. It will not be
decided. Loyalties are usually just that--meaning no one will be dissuaded
from their point of view.
So, in the interest of harmony in GAGenWeb, can we please end this thread?
Thanks much,
Keith
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At 04:46 PM 7/24/2002, Margie Daniels wrote:
>This site was set up to be a competetor of USGENWEB in my opinion and should
>not be comingled. What is the purpose of that?
Margie -
I can only speak for myself, as a USGW CC and an AHGP CC. I have been
involved with online genealogy since the early days, but only within the
past three or so years became a CC.
I love "USGW" (the idea, not the national "organization") for what it could
be, and what it is in some ways, and love working with some of the people
whom I have known for years because of researching with them. I do NOT
love the political infighting that goes on in USGenWeb between people that
I have respected for years.
I DETEST the politics, and do not want to be involved with it - it brings
out the absolute worst in people, IMHO, and shows a side of them I wish I
did not see.
AHGP is a haven - it is not political - no politics is allowed. Anyone who
wants to do a county site can link - there is no requirement that everyone
submit their data to a website maintained by someone else. I believe that
the idea behind AHGP is more of a webring thing than a one-person,
one-county arrangement - I like that, but do not see it as a conflict with
my GenWeb sites - the AHGP ring logo is on my county sites except for in GA
and it used to be here too until the new guidelines said it wasn't supposed
to be on the same page.
There are probably a dozen projects doing county sites online now - I can
think of a half dozen without even trying.
Carol C-H <cch(a)netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/
And most of us that have AHGP sites ALSO have USGenWeb sites. So you are
correct in saying "we are the best" and now AHGP also has the best!
Kim Gordon
>From: "Margie Daniels" <mdaniel3(a)midsouth.rr.com>
>Reply-To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Fwd: [GAEFFINGHAM] Effingham County AHGP
>Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 09:35:42 -0500
>
>The site was created by disgurntled USGENWEB volunteers.
>
>It has been in existance about 2 years and in my opinion has not done very
>well.
>
>I will be bragging here now. Our project is the best and will always be
>the best because we are the best because we have the best.
>
>Margie
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1(a)hotmail.com>
>To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 6:57 PM
>Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Fwd: [GAEFFINGHAM] Effingham County AHGP
>
>
> > I have a county site (new and not yet online) at AHGP as well as two
>county sites on the GaGenWeb. At this time I don't plan to link to any
>mailing lists at rootsweb but come on folks, it's only for the good of
>genealogy research! I also WILL NOT steal anything from rootsweb, I don't
>believe in stealing. Our guidelines are nothing like they are on the
>GenWeb, they are very simple. AHGP stands for American History and
>Genealogy Project so therefore we have to include the history of our
>respective counties. I have made no posts to any rootsweb message board
>concerning my site at USGenNet/AHGP and don't plan to. I have made flyers
>to distribute throughout my county and will go from there. Aren't we all
>really volunteering our time for the good of genealogy research? I can't
>speak for those who choose to steal from rootsweb but I can speak for
>myself, I have integrity and respect the work of others, so let's not give
>AHGP a bad name just because of a few bad apples, the!
> > re are some of those here at GaGenWeb too!
> >
> > Kim Dunlap Gordon
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Janet Moore
> > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 7:40 PM
> > To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: RE: [GAGEN] Fwd: [GAEFFINGHAM] Effingham County AHGP
> >
> > Hi:
> > I confess I had never even heard of the American History and Genealogy
> > project until I saw it come up on our discussion group. I went to the
>site
> > and checked out several of the counties. A lot of the county sites I
>checked
> > are virtually the same as our GAGenWeb sites: neighboring counties,
> > Rootsweb Bulletin Board, Rootsweb Mailing List, county history on the
>home
> > page... it is almost like they have a copy of our GAGenWeb guidelines
>and
> > followed them... If you haven't checked these folks out, you need to
>take
>a
> > minute and do it. They are duplicating our information, almost verbatim
>in
> > some cases! I don't understand why they are doing this??? I realize that
>I
> > put the information out there for everyone to use, but this is
>ridiculous!
> > For those of you who haven't seen this, the link is:
> > http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ga/state/
> >
> > Janet Moore
> > Wilcox County, GAGenWeb
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Carl Jarrard [mailto:jarrard2@bellsouth.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:04 AM
> > To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: [GAGEN] Fwd: [GAEFFINGHAM] Effingham County AHGP
> >
> >
> > I do not understand what this is all about. I kinda felt like she
> > was swiping my "customers". Need I address this, or leave it alone?
> > I just do not want our GenWeb researchers to be confused.
> > This appears to be a mirrored site.
> > Carolyn
> > Effingham County CC, GAGENWEB
> >
> >
> > >Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:27:11 -0600
> > >X-Original-Sender: pkeith(a)alltel.net Wed Jul 17 23:27:10 2002
> > >From: "Paula" <pkeith(a)alltel.net>
> > >Old-To: <GAEFFING-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > >Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 01:27:19 -0400
> > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
> > >Subject: [GAEFFINGHAM] Effingham County AHGP
> > >To: GAEFFING-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > >Resent-From: GAEFFING-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > >Reply-To: GAEFFING-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > >X-Mailing-List: <GAEFFING-L(a)rootsweb.com> archive/latest/334
> > >X-Loop: GAEFFING-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > >Resent-Sender: GAEFFING-L-request(a)rootsweb.com
> > >
> > >Good morning,
> > >Many of you wrote me asking me to make an American History and
>Genealogy
> > >Project site for Effingham County like the one I have for the Chatham
> > >County AHGP. I now have a bare bones site online
> > >at http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ga/county/effingham/ Now that I have
>it
> > >up I just need the help of all of you to fill it up. Stop by, check it
> > >out, click on the email button and send me your information. I will
>look
> > >forward to hearing from all of you. Photos welcome.
> > >Thanks,
> > >Paula
> > >Be a volunteer ~ adopt a county today....
> > >http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ga/state/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >==============================
> > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy
>records,
> > >go to:
> > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
> >
> >
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> > info on your region visit
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> >
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<a href="http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ga/county/crawford/">Crawford Co.
AHGP</a><br>
<a href="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaclayto">Clayton Co. GaGenWeb</a><br><a
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http://lists.rootsweb.com/ I think they are just a service set up by rootsweb free for anyone to use. I felt much the same way but after talking with others I decided to join up with them and get a couple of Counties that my roots come from before some stranger got them.
Ed Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Jarrard
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 9:28 AM
To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [GAGEN] GenWeb mail lists
Do the county mail lists belong to GenWeb or are they
just a service provided by Rootsweb?
I suppose I always felt they were set up for our county GenWeb pages,
and I am now feeling uncomfortable seeing mine used by
another organization as though the county mail list was set up for them.
Carolyn Jarrard
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Do the county mail lists belong to GenWeb or are they
just a service provided by Rootsweb?
I suppose I always felt they were set up for our county GenWeb pages,
and I am now feeling uncomfortable seeing mine used by
another organization as though the county mail list was set up for them.
Carolyn Jarrard
Walter I finally figured out what you were talking about, the search engine
for the archive site is not working. I'll pass it along to the"powers that
be". Thanks for letting me know.
Deborah Byrd
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cullars" <cullars(a)dicomm.net>
To: <GASCREVE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 11:15 PM
Subject: [GASCREVE] Getting Internal Server Error 500 at Rootsweb searches
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ga/screven.htm
>
> I get to this page, but when I select a County, and put in a
> search term...the server Replies... Internal Error :
> Server Error 500
>
I believe that we probably all assumed that they belonged to GAGenWeb....as
we sort of all began together....BUT
the Mailing Lists (county and surnames, etc) all belong to Rootsweb.
(Same way with the Rootsweb Boards)
And Rootsweb/Ancestry works with all Genealogy projects....
A List Manager does not have to be a part of GAGenWeb (or probably any of
the other projects).
If the List Manager happens to be a CC in GAGenWeb and decides to
discontinue being CC, they have the choice of whether to give up the
mailing list to the Regional Coordinator so that the next CC can have
it. This is done by simply giving the RC the password, so they can go in
and insert their name as manager.
If the individual chooses to retain the management of the List....and
continue to maintain it, then Rootsweb would never take it away from them.
If the List Manager just disappears....the list is assumed abandoned, when
Rootsweb is unable through various attempts to locate the missing
person. Then it would be up for adoption again.
With more active participation by AHGP and other projects, we all need to
strive to get along and work together for the good of the county and all
its researchers.
At 09:21 AM 7/24/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Do the county mail lists belong to GenWeb or are they
>just a service provided by Rootsweb?
>
>I suppose I always felt they were set up for our county GenWeb pages,
>and I am now feeling uncomfortable seeing mine used by
>another organization as though the county mail list was set up for them.
>
>Carolyn Jarrard
>
>
>
>
>==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
>Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at:
> http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html
Virginia Crilley
Hi all,
I thought I'd bring you all up to date on the GA Family Group Sheet
Project & GA Photo Album. What fun!!
We now have 1220 family group sheets online at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~garichmo/groupindx.html
For those of ya'll that search these for counties you CC & then add to
your web sites, the latest uploads are at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~garichmo/bios/fgsuplds.htm
I just ran the spider to index the site again since I just uploaded some
today.
This week I added 53 more photos. They are wonderful photos, please
take a peek! These are located at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ga/photo/pics.html
Last time I added a separate tombstone photo page:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ga/photo/tosto.html
Here's this week's addtions:
Baldwin--1
Crawford--7, & 7 tombstones
Doughtery--1
Randolph--4
Sumter--7
Terrell--4
Webster--18
Whitfield--1
Wilkinson--1
Worth--2
Well said, Tim! Having worked in the midrange server area for several
years, I can testify that replacing a server is not a simple task.
Depending on the size of the server and the complexity of the setup, it
could conceivable take several days to backup the disks, format the new
server and copy the backup to the new server. Personally, I think
RootsWeb has done a good job maintaining their servers. At least, during
my time at GAGenWeb (since 1998).
Don McHugh
Morgan County, GA Genealogy http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamorgan/
My Family http://www.donmchugh.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Stowell [mailto:tstowell@chattanooga.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:58 PM
To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] rootsweb
At 10:45 AM 6/29/02 -0400, Carol Tindell wrote:
><snip> Yesterday was ridiculous...couldn't access anything at RootsWeb
>including their main page...These problems have been going on ALL
WEEK.....
One has to take the servers down to replace them - and to keep folks
from
making
changes to the 'new' images after they've already been copied to the new
servers.
<snip>
RootsWeb Review: RootsWeb's Free Weekly E-zine
Vol. 5, No. 29, 17 July 2002, Circulation: 1,051,094
(c) 1998-2002 RootsWeb.com, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/
1. NEWS AND NOTES
-----------------
1a. GLITCHES AND SNAGS. RootsWeb is still experiencing glitches here and
there due to the recent move to new servers. As a result there might be
times when you will be unable to access portions of the site or find
that some areas are not working normally. These include mailing lists,
its archiver program, various search engines, and problems with the
gateway between message boards and mailing lists. Your patience is
greatly appreciated. For any late, breaking news or problems, see:
http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com
This is not meant to start a thread. Some may wish to know about this, and
others may not. Regardless, it is all CCs' right to know what's going on.
http://www.giddeon.com/usgenweb/petition.html
Use it, or delete the email. The choice is entirely yours.
--Keith
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>From the Advisory Board of the USGenWeb Project
To Teresa Lindquist:
The Advisory Board of the USGenWeb Project has voted to declare you a
member not in good standing. This action has been taken due to your
disregard for the responsibilities associated with being an Advisory
Board Member.
To wit: You have exhibited total disregard and disrespect for the
responsibilities of your office as evidenced by your public posting of
executive session correspondence; thus, betraying the trust of fellow
board members and all members of the Project who have brought concerns
and grievances forward.
Having been found "not in good standing", you will not have access to
Board-Exec; not be eligible to serve on committees; and your posts to
Board-L will be moderated.
Should you choose to appeal this decision, you may offer your reasons
and an explanation for your actions to the National Coordinator.
(Signed)
Holly Timm, National Coordinator, USGenWeb Project
Members in favor:
Tina Vickery, Jana Black, Richard Harrison, Kathy Heidel,
Phyllis Rippee, Ron Eason, Betsy Mills, Vicki Shaffer,
Pam Reid, Ginger Hayes, Tim Stowell, Mary Ann Hetrick
Members opposed:
(none responded as opposed)
\\\\\\\ The USGenWeb Census Project ///////
///// http://www.us-census.org \\\\\\
________ /////// Census Upload Report \\\\\\\\ ________
/////// 21 July 2002 \\\\\\\\
________________________________________________
GA / Taylor / 1870
Twp/Dist/City "Complete"
Transcriber: Beth Collins
Proofreader: Julie Collins and Virginia Crilley
Microfilm Reel: M593-176
Source: Microfilm
ftp://ftp.us-census.org/pub/usgenweb/census/ga/taylor/1870/
*****NOTE*****
The above transcriptions are added to the complete listing of transcriptions
that can be viewed at the following address:
_/_/_/_/_/ On-Line Inventory of Transcribed Census Files \_\_\_\_\_
//// http://www.us-census.org/inventory/ \\\\
Ron Eason,
rkeason(a)tir.com
The USGenWeb Census Project
http://www.us-census.org
"Permission Granted to reprint and/or resend, this list only, to others"
Direct upload report questions to:
censusuploadreport(a)usgennet.net
One other thing - if you are not the AHGP CC for the county you CC for
USGenWeb, it can be a super boost for both sites if you have a mutual
respect and can work together and link each other prominently off both
sites. The main objective is to help provide resources - the more easily
we can help researchers find additional resources, the more we are doing
what we said we were in this to do - IMHO -
Carol
Carol C-H <cch(a)netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/
At 07:41 PM 7/20/2002, Bosque Lover wrote:
> > If you would like to adopt a county, or do an AHGP site for the county
> you CC
> > with USGenWeb, the info is
>
>I was under the impression (actually was told) that we couldn't do the same
>county in both projects.
The only thing I read was that we needed to do separate pages for each
project and not put both logos on the county pages in GA. That is not true
in other states of which I am aware, however - the same page can serve for
both projects.
>The only "problem"??? I've had with these folks is that when I post what I've
>done to update a USGenWeb site, the gal comes in right after wards & says "I"
>updated. That's fine, but it confuses the folks on the list, & then I spend
>most of my time answering the questions about which one is USGenWeb cause the
>URLs are both housed on Rootsweb. I can't seem to get through that they
>need to
>post that their site is AHGP.
Do you identify yourself as having updated a USGenWeb site? IF so, I agree
with you and probably if you reminded the person she would identify her
project by name also. I doubt anyone would care which project it is,
though - info is info, and the more, the better. RootsWeb houses a lot of
AHGP and USGenWeb sites, I understand, but so do many other servers - AHGP
sites carry a logo just as USGenWeb sites do, and if the same site is used
for both, it carries both logos, just as some sites carry a lot of WebRing
logos if they belong to a lot of rings -
>I was also under the impression AGHP was doing the so-called "inactive"
>USGenWeb
>sites. I feel my sites are very active--I update at least once a month, so
>guess that ones not true, either??
I don't know who gave you that impression, or why - AHGP is a totally
different project from USGenWeb - why would the activity of a USGenWeb site
have anything to do with AHGP? That is like saying that Ancestry wouldn't
make message boards for the surnames that were busy at GenForum - ??
Carol C-H <cch(a)netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/
In a message dated 07/20/2002 11:41:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
cch(a)netdoor.com writes:
> - I think folks who
> are willing to work on web pages would rather create their own site than
> follow someone else's directions.
Thanks for agreeing.
>>>
>AHGP is a non-political project, and IMHO is fantastic - many (most) of the
volunteers also are heavily involved with USGenWeb. There are several
other Projects on the web that have county sites also - I think folks who
are willing to work on web pages would rather create their own site than
follow someone else's directions. Since no one "owns" a county, everyone
has the ability to do that, which I believe is why more than one person can
create and maintain an AHGP county site. If you would like to adopt a
county, or do an AHGP site for the county you CC with USGenWeb, the info is
at http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ga/state/ - the folks there are really nice.
Carol
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