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Zaroga,
Thanks for plowing through those e-mails!!
Your point is a good one....
so I think we need to add an interim step here.....
that a CC who is having difficulty "getting data" either by her own
transcription or through the lists (which is where most of us get our
data)....
should make the RC aware of this....and ask for help. (and ask again, and
again until you get the RC's total attention!)
I know that some counties are extremely tough to crack on getting people to
share their data...and there are many varied reasons why this may be true.
Maybe we could even get a group of volunteers who would work temporarily
with a List or a CC, and see if some "extra energy" might be pumped into
the list.
We all need to share things that have worked for us.....(no guarantee they
will work with all counties though).
I guess the "spirit" behind this one is again to get as much data on-line
as possible.... but also we want to tap as many resources as possible. No
CC should feel there are out there all by themselves.....that's also what
this CC List is far.
We're a team....and working together we should be able to help a CC that is
having a hard time....
Incidentally your newspaper abstracting is wonderful.... that's one of
those things that most people aren't able to look at...and there are
sometimes some great tidbits there....
Thanks again, Zaroga!
At 01:39 PM 2/27/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>I finally got around to reading the 120 something emails from this group
>and the new proposed guidelines.
>
>I too have concern about the abandoned web sites. Despite my efforts I
>haven't had any new genealogy data for the Wilcox County site in a long
>time. There are long breaks for the Turner County web site too. I am only
>one person and cannot abstract the documents myself. I don't live in either
>county and the only records on microfilm that I have access to are the
>census records and a newspaper. I'm in the process of abstacting the
>newspaper.
>
>The GA county table link and surrounding county links are not on my Turner
>County main page, but on another page that I thought more appropriate in my
>web site. I can change this. My main page on Turner County has the county
>history with various other page links to the left hand side. I didn't wish
>my pages to be so long that someone would give up before getting to the end
>of the page. I had hoped to simplify the Wilcox County site this way too.
>I'm giving up the Wilcox County site.... not for the lack of data... I just
>need to let some things go right now.
>
>I use Netscape Composer and have never been able to get the "Last updated"
>rootsweb code to work, so I just type in each time.
>
>I do not do a surname list. When someone ask where is the link to it I tell
>them to post a query at one of the forums or use the mailing list. Too many
>people change their addresses without notifying me on the mailing list. Why
>should I add to my work load when it is all ready taken care of with the
>forums and mailing list?
>
>That's all my two-cents for now.
>
>Zaroga Goff
>
I finally got around to reading the 120 something emails from this group
and the new proposed guidelines.
I too have concern about the abandoned web sites. Despite my efforts I
haven't had any new genealogy data for the Wilcox County site in a long
time. There are long breaks for the Turner County web site too. I am only
one person and cannot abstract the documents myself. I don't live in either
county and the only records on microfilm that I have access to are the
census records and a newspaper. I'm in the process of abstacting the
newspaper.
The GA county table link and surrounding county links are not on my Turner
County main page, but on another page that I thought more appropriate in my
web site. I can change this. My main page on Turner County has the county
history with various other page links to the left hand side. I didn't wish
my pages to be so long that someone would give up before getting to the end
of the page. I had hoped to simplify the Wilcox County site this way too.
I'm giving up the Wilcox County site.... not for the lack of data... I just
need to let some things go right now.
I use Netscape Composer and have never been able to get the "Last updated"
rootsweb code to work, so I just type in each time.
I do not do a surname list. When someone ask where is the link to it I tell
them to post a query at one of the forums or use the mailing list. Too many
people change their addresses without notifying me on the mailing list. Why
should I add to my work load when it is all ready taken care of with the
forums and mailing list?
That's all my two-cents for now.
Zaroga Goff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell(a)chattanooga.net>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 4:33 AM
Subject: [GAGEN] Guidelines Reform
| Shortly I'll ask the members to vote on new guidelines for the GAGenWeb
| project.
|
| After becoming SC about 3 years ago and forming the Regional Coordinator
| system this group of people set about defining the guidelines that the
| Georgia project would operate under and to define the role and
| responsibility of its members.
|
| The resulting guidelines took the National requirements as our basis and
| further defined them to fit for Georgia. These guidelines cover the items
| that are a must on each site along with helpful suggestions that may offer
| your visitors a richer experience for having visited your site.
|
| As we have worked within these guidelines new situations have arisen that
| were not issues at the time of the original guidelines.
|
| As a group, the Regional Coordinators and I are bringing forth a
| recommended set of amended guidelines that respond to these issues and
many
| that experience has taught us may arise in the future. Now, it is your
| turn. We are asking that each
| of you, as members of the Georgia project, review the existing guidelines
| together with the proposed new guidelines, and offer suggestions as to
what
| you feel needs to be modified or addressed therein.
|
| To that end please take a few moments to consider the material located at:
|
| http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/ - current Guidelines
| http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/guidelines.htm - proposed Guidelines
|
| Also think long term - as to how we may raise the floor of expectations so
| that we can make GAGenWeb a leader in the USGenWeb Project and make us a
| model and example to other State's to follow and imitate. To paraphrase
| the US Army - 'Let's be all we can be, and more!'
|
| Please direct any questions, ideas that represent a better approach or
| items that you feel need to be included to the list's attention for
| discussion and possible addition.
|
| Again, a VOTE of ALL CC's will take place for passage of these new
| guidelines in a few days.
|
| Thank you all for your endeavors for GAGenWeb.
|
| Tim
|
|
| ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
| Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write
| GAGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com
|
|
Back to the logo question.
Go back to
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaforsyt/
The statement at the top
This page is part of Georgis Genweb
is a transparent gif - 353 bytes gagenweb.gif
change the backgrounds and you will see it is transparent
The logo is 4437 bytes - gagenweb.jpg (and pink)
I would like to see something like this on the other pages rather than the
main logo.
I am sure that someone skilled with graphics could make a better one. I
whipped this one up using paint to make a white bmp
Used Irfan view to add the text and convert to gif
used http://gifworks.com/ to turn the white background transparent
Donna
Let me assure all of you about a couple of things
1) ALL your ideas/concerns have been carefully read ....and we're working
on a Summary sheet of the responses (to be sure we have responded) and
also the Revisions (and there will be several based on your ideas)....
So just know you're being heard....and if you continue to have thoughts,
please share them.
2)Voting
We're planning to have a mechanism for the voting ....and this procedure
takes at least TWO WEEKS to set up......so don't worry. We all have
plenty of time to review the "review".....and discuss some more....
Nobody is going to rush into a vote.
3)Quantity of e-mails
I know everyone has been swamped with all the e-mails....but please bear
with us....this is the only way that everyone can participate in
this....and that has always been our goal.
We've been able to express the "spirit" behind whatever it was....and
you've helped us to understand when the words fell short of this....and
also to rethink some ...
So hang in there.... and thank you to all of you who have participated in
this!!
Virginia Crilley
Assistant State Coordinator
GAGenWeb
At 12:24 PM 2/26/02 -0600, you wrote:
>> The site located at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaforsyt/
>>When a visitor arrives THEY have the choice of the color of background to
>see.
>
>WOW!! That is soooooooo cool!
>
>Jeanne
Thinking about Donna's sitee reminded me of an article I ran across the
other day that leaned more towards business so in most respects it doesn't
lend itself to our situation but there were a couple of points that I
thought did offer some good tips:
these were recommendations to make web sites easy to use:
page length - the most important features - navigation of your site and
most used links on the first screen
logo - it's the first thing visitors look for.
search - a box is better than a link to a search page - place it high up in
your site
download time - keep the sizes low this article suggests 50K - my
experience is 100K or less of course depending on how graphic intensive it
is. There are sites that help you check the download time
text color - black for body text; it's easy on the eyes
link color - blue is recommended, visited links should be purple - but if
that doesn't work with your color scheme they should be a less prominent
color that the link color.
Tim
> Now Chuck Pierce - 2002 - The Road We Need To Travel ....
> "I VOTE LET'S VOTE - I VOTE YES."
Chuck,
I disagree.
There have been several issues raised and some discussion on a few of them. This is what Tim and the RC's asked from the CC's (see the two excerpts below). We should not have a vote until Tim addresses the issues that have been raised, gives a response on each suggestion as to whether it will be accepted or not, and presents a final version of the guidelines. So far I've seen discussion of issues, but no decisions on the merits of these issues, and whether there will be revisions to the proposed guidelines or not. A vote at this point was just discount all the input given by the CC's as a futile and wasted effort.
Dan Pierce
Lumpkin CC
==========================================================
In Tim's original message, he wrote:
"Now, it is your
turn. We are asking that each
of you, as members of the Georgia project, review the existing guidelines
together with the proposed new guidelines, and offer suggestions as to what
you feel needs to be modified or addressed therein.
Then Keith sent a message which included the following:
"Discussion is what we want! We want to hear your goals as well....and what
you think makes a good site when you are going to counties for the first
time to look for an ancestor....
"Please, take a minute to look at them....and then write me.
"I also want to encourage you to express your views on the CC list..... we
need to get some dialogue going just to make sure people are thinking this
through...."
PS... don't worry too much about the logo on every page. Between you and I, I
doubt that will make the final draft that will be voted on.
jimmy
.
Christine Martin wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> I am a new coordinator here (about 1 month) and I am very surprised at what
> is going on here. I know that I don't really have much to offer because of
> the short time I have been here, but after sitting here today and reading 30
> emails from this site and most of them were negatively done, I felt I needed
> to pipe up and get my two cents in.
>
> First: revision of the rules is a good thing but it can be over done. At
> first I was against the logo on every page but upon hearing the reason it
> makes sense to me. Also since I just started my site it is very small so it
> was no problem for me to do the changes.
>
> Second: The negative remarks that are going back and forth are getting
> crazy. I do not think anyone should throw out Donna. So maybe she took this
> all to personally but if I had that much invested in a site I would probably
> feel the same way. But then again she needs to realize that these rules are
> not set in stone and not to do anything rash with her site. I think that is
> fair to everyone involved. I am sure the RC and SC will work with her to
> get a reasonable time frame to get anything accomplished that needs to be
> done.
>
> Third: I will be making alot of effort to add new stuff to my site, but
> since I do not live in Georgia or Calhoun county I do not have access to
> many things, I will have to rely on others to submitt and if they don't, I
> do not want to be penalized because I haven't updated my page with new
> information. Yes some sites are really bad about not adding any new info
> for years but that is another problem. Since I have access to census I will
> be doing alot of transcription. I will probably get it submitted to an
> archive or something, but even if I don't and leave it on my site only, when
> I leave that information will stay here.
>
> I think all this discussion is good considering we will have to vote in the
> coming weeks on the new by-laws. We need to work to get them worded so that
> there are no mistakes or questions about the meaning.
>
> Well that's my two cents. Please don't be offended.
>
> Christine (Soffe) Martin
> Calhoun County Georgia CC
> christinesoffemartin(a)hotmail.com
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links
> to the most popular Surname sites:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/
Most times, when I go to a page that has transcribed information on it, I
tend more times than not to get a TXT file than a file that is written in
HTML. I tend to see lead in pages in HTML. I just might not be seeing
pages that are transcriptions in HTML because I just don't happen to have
research in a county that is set up that way.
Just a thought..................hoping I was seeing a way to cut down on
page changes......<g>
Denise Kirkland Smiley
Decatur County, GAGenWeb CC
Seminole County, GAGenWeb CC
GAGenWeb Unknown Queries
USGenWeb Death Index Project Coordinator
Clearinghouse for Kirkland Records
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell(a)chattanooga.net>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Guidelines Reform
> Denise,
>
> Can you be more specific as to what you mean? My data pages have HTML on
> them.
> Are you speaking strictly of the main page and any subsequent link type
pages?
>
> Tim
>
> At 04:53 PM 2/25/02 -0500, GAGenWeb Unknown Queries wrote:
> >Could we list this as applying to HTML pages? From what I have seen
across
> >the GAGenWeb Pages, most data pages are in TEXT format.
> >
> >Denise Kirkland Smiley
> >Decatur County, GAGenWeb CC
> >Seminole County, GAGenWeb CC
> >GAGenWeb Unknown Queries
> >USGenWeb Death Index Project Coordinator
> >Clearinghouse for Kirkland Records
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell(a)chattanooga.net>
> >To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> >Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:16 AM
> >Subject: RE: [GAGEN] Guidelines Reform
> >
> >
> >> Perhaps a better definition of what Data pages are would assist in
> >clarifying
> >> this. Other than my front page and query pages - all of my other pages
I
> >> would
> >> consider 'data' pages.
> >>
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> At 07:18 PM 2/24/02 -0600, you wrote:
> >> >Tom,
> >> >
> >> >It will actually load faster on pages other than the main page. The
> >graphic
> >> >will be cached on the first page visited. After that, it will not have
to
> >be
> >> >downloaded by the brower for the other pages viewed on the site.
> >> >So, the quick answer is that each county page should be identified as
a
> >site
> >> >endorsed by GAGenWeb. Much the same way you should have a copyright on
> >all
> >> >of your pages. It's simply to let peopple know what is going on.
> >> >
> >> >--Keith
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Thomas Hammack, Jr. [mailto:thammack@datasync.com]
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 7:11 PM
> >> >> To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >> >> Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Guidelines Reform
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I think I have a problem with the section quoted below. Why should
we
> >> >> slow the loading process on ALL pages (except data pages) with the
> >logo?
> >> >> Why should the viewer have to repeatedly see it?? Some folks still
> >have
> >> >> slow machines. Am I missing some good reason for requiring it on so
> >many
> >> >> pages??
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> >> Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to
preserve
> >> the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching
> >> their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals
> >> with just this type of research. Please refer them to:
> >> http://www.adoption.org
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> >For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links
> >to the most popular Surname sites:
> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/
> >
> >
>
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at:
> http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html
>
>
I agree! Donna, Forsyth is a wonderful page. Wish I had some folks to
research but I don't think they stopped there.
Mary Love Berryman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeanne Arguelles" <ejarguelles(a)msn.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] speaking of website design
> > The site located at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaforsyt/
> >When a visitor arrives THEY have the choice of the color of background to
> see.
>
> WOW!! That is soooooooo cool!
>
> Jeanne
>
>
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
> The site located at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaforsyt/
>When a visitor arrives THEY have the choice of the color of background to
see.
WOW!! That is soooooooo cool!
Jeanne
In a message dated 2/26/02 3:06:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tstowell(a)chattanooga.net writes:
<< At 08:22 AM 2/25/02 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 2/25/02 3:33:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>tstowell(a)chattanooga.net writes:
>
><< Donna,
>
> What does 'Shadow of 1912' mean?
>
> Tim >>
>In 1912, we had an attempted rape followed by a rape and murder which
>resulted in a lynching, some legal hangings, and racial problems which were
>the supposed basis for the 1987 march by Hosea Williams. My book gave
the
>facts on that but more important it is the genealogy of black people in
>Forsyth County and the deed tracking of all the property they owned.
>
>Donna
Thanks, Donna.
It's hard to believe it's been 15 years since that uproar. >>
It does seem impossible that 15 years have come and gone since then.
I may add some more of my personal experiences to my Forsyth history page.
Gina Stappas who was with the Gainesville Times called me for some facts on
the property and it made either the UP wire or the AP wire.
The next morning at the Courthouse, the phones were ringing. In the next few
months, I talked to radio stations as far away as Washington State, to
newspapers like the Washington Post. Escorted such people as all the Atlanta
TV stations news anchors, Camera men from the Martin Luther King Center, a
Belgium camera crew, Dean Carter (the one who led the March with Hosea),
Vincent Fort and a crew of paralegals from Morehouse College, FBI people, Ku
Klux Klan people, magazine writers and on and on.
Hosea Williams' lawyer took my deposition. I testified before the Bi-Racial
Committee, I entertained a group of Black Ministers in my home, helped Black
people find where their grandparents lived, drove people to cemeteries,
arranged interviews, met the first rock thrower, got all the behind the
scenes stories from law enforcement officers etc.
When an interview I gave the Atlanta Journal made the Front page of the
Sunday "Atlanta Journal Constitution" boy did I get blasted in the letters
tro the Editor in the next paper. I wound up meeting and working with the
person that blasted me.
It was an interesting experience and I met some very interesting people and
some that were very impressive.
I was most impressed by Felker Ward and Freddie Stokely.
An interesting experience for this part Cherokee girl from OK who just
happened to be the only one who had backtracked the records.
The only things I missed were the marches and the Oprah show, I got all the
other "fall out" I think.
Donna
I recently found one of the most interesting offerings for visitors to a
web site than I've seen in quite some time. In fact, I'd have to say it was
a unique experience and the webmaster is to be congratulated for such an
innovative design.
The site located at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaforsyt/ is the one I'm
speaking of.
When a visitor arrives THEY have the choice of the color of background to see.
Ok, for some of you who do fancy pages, this may not be that big of a deal
- but
to me and others I've shown it to - there is fascination. I urge each of
you to
visit this site and see for yourselves how just that simple tool enhances
your
visit.
Tim
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:40:36 EST
Subject: Ga Gen Web Pages
To: tstowell(a)chattanooga.net
Just wanted to commend you and others who have contributed to the Georgia
Gen Web site. Thanks so much to you and other volunteers who have
contributed so much to make this a great source of information. And, for
free!
Mary Helen Seay
Jeanne I will say that the one thing that really does seem to work is giving
Thanks to the contributors
via the Email list for that County. Virginia Crilley suggested this to me
and I have applied it.
I suddenly found that when I thank one person for their contribution,, other
contributions start
pouring in. It really works!! I thank Virginia for such a suggestion!!
Debra Crosby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeanne Arguelles" <ejarguelles(a)msn.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:54 AM
Subject: [GAGEN] Getting New Data Online
> Someone mentioned that they don't have easy access to county records and
> rarely get Archives submissions. I have utilized my county mail list a
LOT
> to solicit submissions... we've had "Will Drives", "Deed Drives" and silly
> things like "April is Oglethorpe County Bible Record Month -- Please
submit
> your transcribed records to the Archives." Then I make a big deal of
> thanking people through the mail list for their submissions, which seems
to
> encourage others to send stuff in. I've also offered to help people
> transcribe their records if they have trouble reading them. One lady,
whose
> eyesight was bad, sent me a whole stack of wills by snail mail. We've
been
> lucky -- so many people have been willing and eager to share their
records.
>
> Jeanne
>
>
>
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links
> to the most popular Surname sites:
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/
Great Idea Jeanne!!!!
Debra Crosby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeanne Arguelles" <ejarguelles(a)msn.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:02 AM
Subject: [GAGEN] Offering Items for Sale
> > Items will not be offered for sale by a GAGenWeb Coordinator, or any
> entity
> > with whom the Coordinator may have a monetary interest.
>
> I, too, misunderstood this statement at first (although I get it now).
> Maybe it would be more easy to understand if it said something like:
>
> Items will not be offered for sale by a GAGenWeb Coordinator for his/her
> personal profit, or for the profit of any entity with whom the Coordinator
> may have a monetary interest...
>
> It might also help to begin this section with a statement such as
> "Coordinators may provide a list of, or links to, genealogical materials
> available for purchase that relate to the specific County or Project,
> provided it is not on the main page and is not the primary purpose of the
> site (as stated in Section 6)."
>
> Jeanne Arguelles
> CC Oglethorpe & (almost) Madison Counties
>
>
>
> > The entire passage from which you cite reads:
> >
> > Items will not be offered for sale by a GAGenWeb Coordinator, or any
> entity
> > with whom the Coordinator may have a monetary interest. Additionally,
> monies
> > will not be solicited on any GAGenWeb state or county page with the
> > following exceptions:
> >
> > a) Professionally printed books, bound in hardcover or industry
> accepted
> > (perfect bound, etc) softcover, that contain information related to the
> > county or subject of the Web page on which it is offered.
> > b) Professionally manufactured CD-ROMs containing data related to the
> > county or subject of the Web page on which it is offered.
> > c) Requests for donations to a legitimate genealogy or historical
> > society.
> > A coordinator who chooses to sell items within the above exceptions,
must
> > abide by sound business practices. Persistent complaints to GAGenWeb
about
> > failure to deliver the proper items and/or refunds where applicable
could
> > result in dismissal from GAGenWeb. A coordinator who sells, or solicits
> > items not covered within the exceptions above will be immediately
> dismissed
> > from GAGenWeb.
> >
> >
> >
> > As such, in my reading and understanding, this section applies only to
> items
> > sold by a CC.
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <JohnR238(a)aol.com>
> > To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:35 PM
> > Subject: [GAGEN] My take on the new guidelines
> >
> >
> > > I think we are going to have an on-going problem with the ambiguity of
> the
> > > statement
> > >
> > >
> > > a) Professionally printed books,
> > > b) Professionally manufactured CD-ROMs
> > >
> > > Who's to say what is professionally done? Does that mean we can
> advertise
> > > Ancestry's books and stuff, but not the local genealogy society?
> > >
> > > In my opinion, providing a bibliography of available resources is
every
> > much
> > > a part of our providing "free" information as is an index to a
> publication
> > or
> > > a transcription of records.
> > >
> > > We're dealing with intelligent adults here. If they don't want to buy
> the
> > > stuff, then don't, but let's don't go out of our way to ignore and
even
> > > blackball available resources.
> > >
> > > John Rigdon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > > Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please
write
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Someone mentioned that they don't have easy access to county records and
rarely get Archives submissions. I have utilized my county mail list a LOT
to solicit submissions... we've had "Will Drives", "Deed Drives" and silly
things like "April is Oglethorpe County Bible Record Month -- Please submit
your transcribed records to the Archives." Then I make a big deal of
thanking people through the mail list for their submissions, which seems to
encourage others to send stuff in. I've also offered to help people
transcribe their records if they have trouble reading them. One lady, whose
eyesight was bad, sent me a whole stack of wills by snail mail. We've been
lucky -- so many people have been willing and eager to share their records.
Jeanne
I'm one of those people who work closely with my county's Archives Manager
(Ken Johnson), and boy am I grateful for all his hard work! The bulk of the
online data for Oglethorpe County is in the Archives, and as Virginia has
suggested, I just link straight to the various Archives pages as well as the
TOC page.
To handle the new "Updated" requirement, I'm thinking I'll just add a line
of text beneath, say, the Wills link, that says "New data added on 2 Mar
2002." Would that be sufficient to meet the requirement?
Jeanne Arguelles
ejarguelles(a)msn.com
This list is for all those that are affiliated with GAGenWeb, either as a
County, Coordinator, Special Project Coordinator, Regional Coordinator (who
is usually a CC) and the State Coordinator.
Denise Kirkland Smiley
Decatur County, GAGenWeb CC
Seminole County, GAGenWeb CC
GAGenWeb Unknown Queries
USGenWeb Death Index Project Coordinator
Clearinghouse for Kirkland Records
----- Original Message -----
From: "Linda Fiddie" <jordans(a)rose.net>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Guidelines Reform
> Is this List supposed to be only for CC's or for Georgia Genealogy
researchers?
> Linda Fiddie
> jordans(a)rose.net
>
> GAGenWeb Unknown Queries wrote:
>
> > Could we list this as applying to HTML pages? From what I have seen
across
> > the GAGenWeb Pages, most data pages are in TEXT format.
> >
> > Denise Kirkland Smiley
> > Decatur County, GAGenWeb CC
> > Seminole County, GAGenWeb CC
> > GAGenWeb Unknown Queries
> > USGenWeb Death Index Project Coordinator
> > Clearinghouse for Kirkland Records
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell(a)chattanooga.net>
> > To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:16 AM
> > Subject: RE: [GAGEN] Guidelines Reform
> >
> > > Perhaps a better definition of what Data pages are would assist in
> > clarifying
> > > this. Other than my front page and query pages - all of my other
pages I
> > > would
> > > consider 'data' pages.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > At 07:18 PM 2/24/02 -0600, you wrote:
> > > >Tom,
> > > >
> > > >It will actually load faster on pages other than the main page. The
> > graphic
> > > >will be cached on the first page visited. After that, it will not
have to
> > be
> > > >downloaded by the brower for the other pages viewed on the site.
> > > >So, the quick answer is that each county page should be identified as
a
> > site
> > > >endorsed by GAGenWeb. Much the same way you should have a copyright
on
> > all
> > > >of your pages. It's simply to let peopple know what is going on.
> > > >
> > > >--Keith
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Thomas Hammack, Jr. [mailto:thammack@datasync.com]
> > > >> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 7:11 PM
> > > >> To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > > >> Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Guidelines Reform
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I think I have a problem with the section quoted below. Why should
we
> > > >> slow the loading process on ALL pages (except data pages) with the
> > logo?
> > > >> Why should the viewer have to repeatedly see it?? Some folks still
> > have
> > > >> slow machines. Am I missing some good reason for requiring it on so
> > many
> > > >> pages??
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person
searching
> > > their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals
> > > with just this type of research. Please refer them to:
> > > http://www.adoption.org
> > >
> > >
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Just how did we get into this line of discussion about whether Donna should stay or go or be removed or what? Who said she was going anywhere, or that she should?
She made no disparaging remarks about any other members, or about the project itself. She only made a decision about how much work load she could handle.
Anyone that knows the least bit about her knows that not only has she been devoted to historical and genealogical research of Forsyth and surrounding counties for many years, but that she is also devoted to providing free access to data. Her websites focus on content--information that is useful to the user. Although Donna has a full time job, she is continually updating and improving the GAGenWeb sites that she maintains. As a volunteer, like the rest of us, she has put in an exceptional amount of personal time for the benefit of others. If she feels that the new guidelines push her over the top on what she can handle, then she has the right to make her own decision about how she will resolve that. I know that whatever decision she makes, her objective will be to continue to maximize the value of her efforts in providing real content to those seeking historical and genealogical information in the counties that she supports.
We will all get to vote on the new guidelines. If they pass, then each of us will have to decide if we can live with them, or if we need to make adjustments to the workload we've voluntarily taken on. I hope all of us will make the decisions that will be of the greatest benefit to researchers in our respective counties.
Dan Pierce
Lumpkin CC
With all due respect..................
I'd like to make a few comments about guidelines and HTML in general, and I
hope to do so gently--without stepping on toes. Everyone---please know that
I am saying these things gently and professionally, as website development
is my profession.
First--if we are to have new guidelines, I'd like to suggest that we take
this opportunity to get our state page up to snuff. For example:
---the graphics are huge (and unnecessary to the researcher, in my
ever-so-humble opinion)
---there is about 75 lines of code before the meat of the page starts (and
numerous blank lines)
---there are NO META tags at all on this page
---and the HTML should start out with: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD
HTML//EN//3.2"> or something similar.
I, too, resent being told to put the pink GAGenWeb logo on every page of my
site. I have chosen to have the Pickens County site graphics all in grey
scale to load QUICKLY, and I have kept the graphics to a minimum, optimizing
what is there. Perhaps we could have the option to put text links to each
of the organizations we are required to link to. I believe the idea is to
"get the word out", in terms of genealogy and history---and we are
'breathing a scab on our noses' by multiplying all of these images on the
servers, aren't we?
Additionally, the requirement for information to be included on the front
page of the site is horrendous. One of the professional design premises in
the industry now is to make [at least] the site's front page "seat" on an
800X600 screen with minimal scrolling. A clean, well laid-out front page
with good navigation to the guts of the site should be an option to putting
all of this stuff on the front page and forcing the viewer to scroll down so
far that he/she has forgotten what they read along the way.
And finally, I take issue with informing the RC/SC of my absence from my
computer for more than 7 days. This is a volunteer project, and I do not
see that (if our sites are maintained and added to regularly) we must be
accountable for our private time to someone on this project. I do not like
to 'advertise' to anyone that my home may be unoccupied for a period of
time, for security reasons. And, while periodic Roll Calls on this list may
ultimately serve some purpose, I'd like to humbly suggest that we keep them
to a minimum. The mass of emails that I recently received when we simply
"welcomed" a new member was overwhelmingly wasteful, in terms of time and
bandwidth.
I hated to write this email, because I think that much of what has been on
this list recently has been quite hurtful to some. But, I have had Pickens
County for about 6 years--and I believe that continued committment to the
project and lots of hours expended gives us the right to express our
opinions gently.
Sylvia Caldwell Rankin
Pickens County Coordinator
www.StudioSR.comwww.SylviaRankin.com