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The original plan of dot.org for non-profit dot.com for profit making enterprises has not been maintained for about 5 years so the allegation that a group is a for profit business because it carries a dot.com designation is wrong. In addition to maintaining the Walker County Georgia Genealogy Page I also am webmaster of www.gwinnettswimleague.com which is the home page of a Summer League Swim Program with over 6200 kids in it. Gwinnett Swim League is a registered 501.C.3 Georgia non-profit corporation. You can get .org .com domains without any documentation of the status of your organization. The only tightly controlled domains at this time are .edu, .gov and .mil. To get one of those you have to prove that you are an institution of higher learning, a United States governmental unit and a United States Military Organization respectively.
Bill Clody
Walker County Georgia
CC GaGenWeb
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Eason (by way of Tim Stowell <tstowell(a)chattanooga.net>)
To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Introducing GenBoards
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:32:36 -0600
From: "Ron Eason" <rkeason(a)tir.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [GAGEN] Introducing GenBoards
Ray and others,
What John offers is an alternative.
Ray said Rootsweb was Non-Profit, that is not true.
If they were non-profit they would be residing on
.ORG servers. They do not. GenBoards do.
http://www.genboards.tzo.org/
Rootsweb has been great to USGW and I have no
beef with them. They require money from users to
remain active. GenBaords is no different. It states
up front that it requires money to stay active.
It would be wrong to assume that it is all free. If
you don't think so, go check into buying a computer
to use as a server and see how much it will cost to
set it up and get a line hooked into your home.
If you choose not to use Johns system, I don't think
he will hold it against you. But it is very considerate
of him to go to the initial expense and trouble to set
the system up, just to offer anyone a choice. It is
obviously needed.
Thanks John,
Ron
==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this
list!
In a message dated 7/18/01 9:07:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
tstowell(a)chattanooga.net writes:
> Anyone else feel this way?
>
> Tim
No, I see no reason for this list to be moderated. If we can build a
webpage, surely we can delete an email unread if we don't want to participate
in the discussion.
Any important news would probably come from Tim's email with an ANNOUNCEMENT
in the subject line.
It would be wasting Tim's time to have to moderate every post of the CC's of
159 counties + 2 former counties + other volunteers.
This list is to share ideas and hopefully improve all our pages and/or make
our work more productive. The highest month for messages was April 2001 with
the lowest month being 1. That is not an excessive mail list.
If it gets beyond the realms of common courtesy, Tim has the capability of
moderating individuals.
Donna
Tim Stowell wrote:
> Anyone else feel this way?
>
> Tim
I thought that had been decided the last time the list ran amuke. It's not
as bad this round as it was the last time, BUT moderation is in order. Much
of what has been said amounts to "me too" or patting someone on the back.
Much could be done as private messages to the author of that post.
Tim, time management is an important issue. The amount of time we spend
hashing through ditto e-mail thoughts takes away from the time we could use
helping those seeking genealogy help.
BTW, Tim, I am now receiving this list in individual message and digest for
some reason. Could you delete me from individual or tell me where to go
(careful), so that I can do so myself.
Joyce Dixon
Evans County, GA
~gaevans(a)pobox.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:32:36 -0600
From: "Ron Eason" <rkeason(a)tir.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [GAGEN] Introducing GenBoards
Ray and others,
What John offers is an alternative.
Ray said Rootsweb was Non-Profit, that is not true.
If they were non-profit they would be residing on
.ORG servers. They do not. GenBoards do.
http://www.genboards.tzo.org/
Rootsweb has been great to USGW and I have no
beef with them. They require money from users to
remain active. GenBaords is no different. It states
up front that it requires money to stay active.
It would be wrong to assume that it is all free. If
you don't think so, go check into buying a computer
to use as a server and see how much it will cost to
set it up and get a line hooked into your home.
If you choose not to use Johns system, I don't think
he will hold it against you. But it is very considerate
of him to go to the initial expense and trouble to set
the system up, just to offer anyone a choice. It is
obviously needed.
Thanks John,
Ron
Donna: I like the way you have gone about it. Think I'll consider something
similar for Morgan County.
Don McHugh
Morgan County, GA Genealogy http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamorgan
My Family http://donmchugh.tripod.com
-----Original Message-----
From: MFLP(a)aol.com [mailto:MFLP@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:25 AM
To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [GAGEN] Maintaining Queries
I have placed a mail merge query form (with a choice of posting by email to
me) on each of my Genweb pages which satisfies the requirement to maintain
queries.
However, since they have changed the Rootsweb Message Boards so that you can
post without signing in, I have noticed that my page users have started
posting almost as frequently as they were when it was genconnect.
I just changed my link to read Rootsweb Message Board.
I also added a link to Genforum.com boards for each of my county pages.
If Genboards sets up a County page for each of my counties, I will link
those
also.
I also have links to the mail list search and archives, although I have
noticed that the archives have not been updated since about June 28th.
I think it is time that we make people aware that they have choices and that
different companies are different companies so that they do not continually
assume that rootsweb and usgenweb are one and the same.
I now intend to get back to the business of trying to make
records/information available.
If anyone would like to see my Forsyth query page which is how all my pages
will look as soon as possible
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaforsyt/queries.html
Donna Parrish
Forsyth, Gordon, Hall and White
==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't
hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find
info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html
Donna, It looks great. We can put all the sources we know of that have our
county queries. Then folks can post to all or none or anything in between.
Maybe we need to brainstorm and locate all the query areas for our counties!
Think you are really on to something!
Laura
----- Original Message -----
From: <MFLP(a)aol.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:24 AM
Subject: [GAGEN] Maintaining Queries
> I have placed a mail merge query form (with a choice of posting by email
to
> me) on each of my Genweb pages which satisfies the requirement to maintain
> queries.
>
> However, since they have changed the Rootsweb Message Boards so that you
can
> post without signing in, I have noticed that my page users have started
> posting almost as frequently as they were when it was genconnect.
> I just changed my link to read Rootsweb Message Board.
> I also added a link to Genforum.com boards for each of my county pages.
> If Genboards sets up a County page for each of my counties, I will link
those
> also.
> I also have links to the mail list search and archives, although I have
> noticed that the archives have not been updated since about June 28th.
>
> I think it is time that we make people aware that they have choices and
that
> different companies are different companies so that they do not
continually
> assume that rootsweb and usgenweb are one and the same.
>
> I now intend to get back to the business of trying to make
> records/information available.
>
> If anyone would like to see my Forsyth query page which is how all my
pages
> will look as soon as possible
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaforsyt/queries.html
>
> Donna Parrish
> Forsyth, Gordon, Hall and White
>
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't
> hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find
> info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html
>
>
I have placed a mail merge query form (with a choice of posting by email to
me) on each of my Genweb pages which satisfies the requirement to maintain
queries.
However, since they have changed the Rootsweb Message Boards so that you can
post without signing in, I have noticed that my page users have started
posting almost as frequently as they were when it was genconnect.
I just changed my link to read Rootsweb Message Board.
I also added a link to Genforum.com boards for each of my county pages.
If Genboards sets up a County page for each of my counties, I will link those
also.
I also have links to the mail list search and archives, although I have
noticed that the archives have not been updated since about June 28th.
I think it is time that we make people aware that they have choices and that
different companies are different companies so that they do not continually
assume that rootsweb and usgenweb are one and the same.
I now intend to get back to the business of trying to make
records/information available.
If anyone would like to see my Forsyth query page which is how all my pages
will look as soon as possible
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaforsyt/queries.html
Donna Parrish
Forsyth, Gordon, Hall and White
Looks like we have a large number of boards from which to choose. I don't
mind people making money. I kind of like to make some myself. I don't even
mind people making money in genealogy. I and many others have made
contributions to Rootsweb in the past and, if a project is worthwhile, I
don't mind making other contributions. If the company is non-profit, and
makes the claim the data is available at no charge, then the data, no matter
where it is housed, should be available at no charge. How the data is made
available at no charge is really immaterial to me (as long as it is legal,
moral, ethical, etc. :)). I'll gladly look at advertisement if it buys me a
look at the data I need. As a volunteer, I'll gladly contribute money, if I
think it will keep the data freely available. Let's not squabble about this.
You put your money where you wish and others will do the same. If John is
trustworthy, and I have no reason to believe he is not, and you believe he
is trying to do something to help keep genealogical data free, then by all
means, send him a contribution! If not, then there seem to be lots of
alternatives available for our boards.
Morgan County, GA Genealogy http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamorgan
My Family http://donmchugh.tripod.com
-----Original Message-----
From: JohnR238(a)aol.com [mailto:JohnR238@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 8:59 AM
To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Introducing GenBoards
Ray has evidently missed the scope and intent of Genboards.org
This is an entirely new initiative with its own servers and message boards.
It is not just a set of links to existing sites and / or message boards.
Genboards is designed as an alternative message board system, designed after
the old GenConnect system which we have now lost.
It is our commitment to provide these boards at NO CHARGE to users.
Furthermore we MAKE NO CLAIMS to the data submitted. It remains the
property
of the submitter. We also commit that should Genboard.org discontinue in
the
future, all data contained on the boards will be submitted to the National
Archives for safekeeping. Our charter specifically assures the users of
these boards that their data will not be assimilated into another commercial
enterprise in the future.
Participation in the GenBoards system is entirely voluntary. At present we
are focusing on providing boards for those county sites which request them.
Surname, topic boards and special interest boards will be available in the
future as resources allow.
John Rigdon
==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve
the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching
their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals
with just this type of research. Please refer them to:
http://www.adoption.org
No comment.
Ray Thigpen
----- Original Message -----
From: Don McHugh <donmchugh(a)msn.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 6:11 PM
Subject: RE: [GAGEN] Introducing GenBoards
> Looks like we have a large number of boards from which to choose. I don't
> mind people making money. I kind of like to make some myself. I don't even
> mind people making money in genealogy. I and many others have made
> contributions to Rootsweb in the past and, if a project is worthwhile, I
> don't mind making other contributions. If the company is non-profit, and
> makes the claim the data is available at no charge, then the data, no
matter
> where it is housed, should be available at no charge. How the data is made
> available at no charge is really immaterial to me (as long as it is legal,
> moral, ethical, etc. :)). I'll gladly look at advertisement if it buys me
a
> look at the data I need. As a volunteer, I'll gladly contribute money, if
I
> think it will keep the data freely available. Let's not squabble about
this.
> You put your money where you wish and others will do the same. If John is
> trustworthy, and I have no reason to believe he is not, and you believe he
> is trying to do something to help keep genealogical data free, then by all
> means, send him a contribution! If not, then there seem to be lots of
> alternatives available for our boards.
>
> Don McHugh
>
> Morgan County, GA Genealogy http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamorgan
> My Family http://donmchugh.tripod.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JohnR238(a)aol.com [mailto:JohnR238@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 8:59 AM
> To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Introducing GenBoards
>
>
> Ray has evidently missed the scope and intent of Genboards.org
>
> This is an entirely new initiative with its own servers and message
boards.
> It is not just a set of links to existing sites and / or message boards.
>
> Genboards is designed as an alternative message board system, designed
after
> the old GenConnect system which we have now lost.
>
> It is our commitment to provide these boards at NO CHARGE to users.
> Furthermore we MAKE NO CLAIMS to the data submitted. It remains the
> property
> of the submitter. We also commit that should Genboard.org discontinue in
> the
> future, all data contained on the boards will be submitted to the National
> Archives for safekeeping. Our charter specifically assures the users of
> these boards that their data will not be assimilated into another
commercial
> enterprise in the future.
>
> Participation in the GenBoards system is entirely voluntary. At present
we
> are focusing on providing boards for those county sites which request
them.
> Surname, topic boards and special interest boards will be available in the
> future as resources allow.
>
> John Rigdon
>
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve
> the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching
> their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals
> with just this type of research. Please refer them to:
> http://www.adoption.org
>
>
>
> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't
> hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find
> info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html
>
Mail Merge is available for those pages on rootsweb servers. It requires 4
pages.
query form (querfrm.html)
page to tell where to send (template.html)
page to send results to (signed.html)
and a page to transfer the results to (queries.html or queries2001.html))
The names in parentheses are the names I used.
If you copy mine, you have to change the path.
You will notice the path is different on my Forsyth page from my Hall page
because they are on different servers.
Also, you have to make "signed" writeable each time after you upload it (like
after you clear it).
Using WS_FTP, you highlight "signed.html"
then right click, choose chmod and click the writeable boxes.
Donna Parrish
Ray's rantings and ravings to the contrary, GenBoards is not an initiative of my Company, Eastern Digital Resources.
My participation in the project is that I wrote the software for the boards, but the software and all data collected in dedicated to NON-PROFIT USGW.ORG which is exactly as I stated in the email this morning.
As Keith and others have stated, you are free to use GenBoards or any other alternative. I do promise to you that GenBoards will remain free to users as long as we can sustain it, and if it should be necessary in the future to shut them down, the data you contribute will not go to me or any other commercial endeavor. It will be - as stated earlier - given to the National Archives for safekeeping.
As stated right up front on our home page, a site as comprehensive as GenBoards requires approximately $400 per month at present to maintain based on the bandwidth (connection costs) we expect to have. This has nothing to do whatsoever with paying me for my time and expertise in writing the software, or the "sunk" setup costs of servers and domain registrations which I and others have invested and now donated to the genealogy community.
We hope to prove your trust of our site over time. I know that we have all been burned by the fiasco between RW/Ancestry. I have no intention of keeping up an on-going flame war about my motives or intention. You can believe me a snake or you can ignore what we are accomplishing and do your own thing, or you can join the hundreds of us who see this as an exciting new tool that we can all share, but there really is no reason whatsoever to publicly berate me on these or any other lists.
To see what Genboards is about, I invite you to visit our site and make your own decision.
http://www.genboards.tzo.org
John Rigdon
thanks ,
David Stephenson
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http://www.rootsweb.com/~gastephe/
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http://www.rootsweb.com/~gafrankl/
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Ray,
We all patiently listened to your explanations of
was it query express which resides on a commercial server (rootsweb.com) and
of freefind which resides on a commercial server (freedfind.com).
Many CC's are interested in an alternative to the Genconnect which also
resided on a commercial server (rootsweb.com).
John is CC of Richmond County and has just as much right to recommend an
alternative solution as you have and I think your email was unnecessary.
Donna Parrish
Hall County
Forsyth County
Gordon County
White County
No Comment!
Ray Thigpen
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Keith, this is wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just took over McDuffie County Web Site and
these listings for the 4 persons in McDuffie County
will be a welcome addition to our website and the
URL will allow descendants to go and VIEW the actual
documents.
This is GOOD STUFF!
Ray Thigpen
--- Keith Giddeon <keith(a)giddeon.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm not sure how many are aware of this, but just in
> case...
>
> http://docuweb.gsu.edu/scripts/webmain.dll?Anonymous
>
> This is an online database created by Georgia State
> U. which, at
> present, has CW pension records for the following
> counties:
>
> Appling, Charlton, Chatham, Macon, McDuffie,
> McIntosh, and Muscogee.
>
> (Links to the left of page)
>
> I hope this helps someone with their research.
>
> --Keith
>
>
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> GAGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
>
>
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Ray, please take a break and stay on subject! This is a mailing list for
members of the USGenWeb/GAGenWeb and volunteers. It is not a list for your
personal vendetta against John Rigdon. John has been nothing but gracious
to me in all the dealings I have with him. He is a county volunteer. You
are a county volunteer. You and he are equals in this project. Treat him
with the same respect you would expect him to treat you with, which HE HAS!
He is not trying to blast your projects, so give us all a break, and quit
blasting him!
Respectfully
Laura Schmidt
Greene & Peach county volunteer
PS
Have some Thigpen branches in my tree.
>>The problems I have with the boards are that they seem to be too wide for my resolution. (Maybe that isn't the right term) but I have to scroll over.
Also, I know many have expressed complaints about frames in the past.
What about Web - TV users?
================
The boards were designed for display on a 800 x 600 monitor as that is the most commonly used resolution. I have not tried viewing them on a 640 x 480 resolution, but I doubt there is much we can do to accomodate that. Higher resolutions should have no problem however.
If someone wants to volunteer for designing a non-frames version, I'd welcome it. I do not think it is practical given the amount of information being processed and displayed however without extensive cgi programming and / or use of cookies. We explicitly did NOT use cookies in the development of the message boards.
I have not viewed the boards from someone who uses Web-TV. If anyone can give me feedback on that perpective, I'd appreciate it.
For more information on Genboards, visit our home page at
http://www.genboards.tzo.org
John Rigdon