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The Madison County Census Project would like to announce that we have
finished the 1920 Madison County Census Image Index.
The Census Images and Indices for 1870-1920 may now be seen online in the
Madison County GAGenWeb Archives
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ga/madison/census.html
Rick Elliott who assembled the records and wrote a soundex program for the
index tells me that we transcribed 68,020 records. The index contains the
full name, age, and image number of everyone listed in the census records
for 1870-1920.
I am grateful to Jeanne Arguelles, TX; Mary Love Berryman, TX; Michael
Black, GA; Stephanie Bradley, GA; Sheila Casper, AK; Rick Elliot, CA; Trisha
Finn, OH; Rita Hand, GA; Jerry Smith, ME; Judy Winn, GA; and Anne Wise, AR;
who helped with the transcription and proofreading.
Jeanne Arguelles, TX; Mary Love Berryman, TX; Michael M. Black, GA;
Charlotte Bond, GA; Stephanie Bradley, GA; Perry W. Booth, CA; Sheila
Casper, AK; Jenny Ruth Echols, GA;Sherman Eberhart, NJ; Rick Elliott, CA; ;
Trisha Finn, OH; Nancy Guest, GA; Rita Hand, GA; William C. Kerr, GA; Wendy
McGrath, IL; Jerry Smith, ME; Leonard Rice, SC; Judy Winn, Anne Wise, AR
bought CDs and S/K Publications filmed the records and placed the images in
the Madison County GAGenWeb Archives.
I would also like to thank John Schunk with S/K Publications for doing an
outstanding job in filming the census - some very difficult to read.
The 1920 Index contains 18,798 records and I have uploaded 1.48 mg to the
Archives today to the ftp directory.
A special thanks to all those have been involved. This has been a great
group of folks to work with!
Mary Love Berryman
File Manager, Madison County GAGenWeb Archives
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ga/madison.htm
Feel free to send that my way too, my email was "non operational" at that
time.
Teresa R
butts Co GA
http://lofthouse.com/USA/ga/butts/
----- Original Message -----
From: <dddennis(a)concentric.net>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 11:17 AM
Subject: [GAGEN] NE region
> I lost the email from the new N.E. Regional Co-ord. with the requirements.
> Would please
> contact me and forward them again.
> David Dennis, dddennis(a)concentric.net, UsGebWeb webpage for Lincoln Co.,
> Ga + Chilton Co., Al, and Rootsweb mailing list owner for them and the
> SWORDS-L lists, among other things.
>
>
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> Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at:
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>
>
I lost the email from the new N.E. Regional Co-ord. with the requirements.
Would please
contact me and forward them again.
David Dennis, dddennis(a)concentric.net, UsGebWeb webpage for Lincoln Co.,
Ga + Chilton Co., Al, and Rootsweb mailing list owner for them and the
SWORDS-L lists, among other things.
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Margie Daniels wrote:
> Betty ,
>
> You can do look ups for others without getting their permission.
>
> Public records cannot be copyrighted only the format that they were placed
> in the book.
>
> This is a misnomer that when someone puts marriage records in a book that
> the info cannot be used or referred to. They certainly can.
>
> Take a look at this page.
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamacon/Copyright.htm
>
> Margie
The problem is with the USGenWeb rules, not the copyright law.
http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html
This is an edited version of the page, so I can get it posted to this
mail list.
The USGenWeb Project's Official Copyright Policy:
The USGenWeb Project will not tolerate any copyright violations.
Lookup requests should be limited to one name, or perhaps two if it is
a married couple. Information given should be minimal, for example:
* If it is a cemetery lookup, the information should be the name of
the cemetery and the dates on the headstone.
* If someone asks for "everybody with X surname" or an entire family
group, or for hardcopies to be mailed, please advise that The
USGenWeb Project volunteers have been asked not to comply with
such requests.
Lookups can extend to searching the copyrighted material to determine
if the material would be helpful to the requester in their research.
Should the copyrighted material prove useful, the volunteer can
provide the author's address and ordering information.
The USGenWeb Project will endeavor to get a WRITTEN statement from
each copyright holder which stipulates which books may be used for
lookups. See Lookup Permission Statement.
_________________________________________________________________
Lookup Permission Statement
Statement which The USGenWeb Project needs to have from Copyright
Holders:
___________________________________
I grant non-exclusive permission for individuals to do lookups for The
USGenWeb Project from my publications. I am not forfeiting my rights
under 17 USCode Section 106.
I grant permission to allow copying of information from my copyrighted
material not to exceed _______ pages per request. (Name of
Material)__________________.
Signed______________________ Dated ______________________
Address_____________________ email________________________
I DO NOT grant permission to allow copying of any of my copyrighted
material.
Signed______________________ Dated ______________________
Address_____________________ email________________________
___________________________________
Once you have acquired the above information, see How to Submit
Authors to learn what information to submit and how.
______________________________________________________________________
Copyright General Statement
It is vital for genealogists/family historians to understand copyright
laws, not only for the protection of others' rights, but to ensure
that they retain the rights to their own work.
The only way to protect The USGenWeb Project as a whole, and each of
us as participants in the project, is to remove all lookup offers for
which you do not have written permission or have not determined that
the source is in public domain and, therefore, requiring no
permission.
Besides any legal ramifications; The USGenWeb Project, as a great new
project, does not want to offend our many friends who work tirelessly
for little profit to publish these great reference sources. The
USGenWeb Project does not want to offend those who do legitimate
professional research - let us not make these people our enemies - we
want them as our partners. It is that recognition plus concern for The
USGenWeb Project and all individuals involved which has led to the
establishment of The USGenWeb Project's Official Copyright Policy.
______________________________________________________________________
The 4 Golden Rules of Copyright
* Materials older than 1923 are absolutely safe.
* Relaying FACTS is OK (This does not mean copying)
* If the use of material created by someone else diminishes the
market value of that person's work, then the copyright has been
violated.
* Getting written (not email) permission from the author/publisher
is the surest way to ensure that you are not violating copyright
law.
_______________________________________________________________________
Copyright Law - An Overview
The Internet and Copyright - The internet is nothing more than another
method of publication. Orginal wording appearing on a web page cannot
be reproduced without permission. A web page cannot reproduce material
subject to a valid copyright without permission.
What is covered by Copyright - There has been some discussion that
authors/publishers cannot copyright facts. This is and isn't true. The
original records cannot be copyrighted, but for example, a compilation
of them can be. Anyone, however, is free to consult the original
records and make their own compilation and are free to do whatever
they want with them. But, even though someone abstracts/transcribes
public records, they cannot be tossed about either. The law
specifically recognizes the right of the person doing the work, in
this case the transcriber, to be compensated for their work. An
article, poem, etc. may be copyrighted individually, but it is also
covered if the publication in which it appears is copyrighted.
Accumulated genealogical information, to the extent that it is an
expression, can be protected, but the facts in the information cannot
be protected.
Copyright Law Before 1978 - Under the Pre 1978 copyright law, a
published work was copyrighted for 28 years and could be renewed for
another 28 years, for a total of 56 years. Renewal is filed within 2
years of the expiration. When the new law went into effect in 1978,
that copyright protection was extended to a total of 75 years for all
works currently covered by copyright. Prior to 1978, it was necessary
to both give notice of the claim of copyright and to register the
copyright for protection. If a work was distributed (published)
without a copyright notice, then material was not copyrighted. Under
the Pre 1978 copyright law, there was no protection of an author's
right in a work until it was published. "Published" means distributed
to the public, not that a publishing company printed and distributed
the work.
The Current Copyright Law - Since Jan. 1, 1978, everything an author
(including you and me) writes is protected by copyright the minute it
is written. Under the new law, no registration is necessary though
notice is required. Registering a copyright costs $10.00 (1996)
Duration of a Copyright -
* Copyright protection under the 1978 law extends for the rest of
the author's life and an additional 50 years beyond it. The new
law does not depend on publication. Works by two or more authors
extend 50 years beyond the death of the last author to die.
Anonymous works, works under a pseudonym, and works for hire
extend 75 years from publication or 100 years from creation.
* Material copyrighted after 1950 is protected until at least 2025
(1978-28 = 1950 + 75 years)
* Material originally published between 1923 and 1949 and had the
copyright renewed are protected for a total of 75 years from
original copyright.
* Material published before 31 December 1949, and on which the
copyright was not renewed, are in Public Domain 1949 + 28 years =
1977 covered by pre 1978 Law).
* Material published earlier than 1 January, 1923, are in the public
domain (1996 - 75 years).
* Public Domain - Any published/written material on which the
copyright has expired is considered to be in the "public domain"
and may be used by the general public without payment to or
permission from the author.
What is Fair Use on Copyrited Material - The copyright act does not
set down definite limitations on how many paragraphs or words
constitute "fair use" of copyrighted materials. Instead, it sets up
four criteria to determine fair use:
The author of The Beginning Writer's Answer Book concludes that a good
standard is to limit yourself to quoting fewer than a hundred words
from an entire book.
Using Copyright Material - One way to avoid violating copyright is to
paraphrase material--to put it into your own words--or use indirect
quotes. You should, however, always give credit to the source and
refrain from extensive use of paraphrasing or indirect quotes. The
copyright law itself, under the fair use provision, protects the
users' right to copy copyrighted material. The copying of copyrighted
work for scholarship or research, among other purposes, is not an
infringement of copyright protection. Furthermore, you are not
restricted from publishing (or otherwise selling) your scholarship or
research. In general, if you republish something exactly the way it
looked when first published, you have to worry about copyright laws
unless the work is over 75 years old. Regardless of whether copyright
laws apply to your situation, The USGenWeb Project urges you to cite
your sources in all genealogy work. It makes it easier for the next
person to verify what you are doing, and recognizes good work.
Where to get Permission - The publisher is the best place to write for
permission to quote from a book, poem, song or magazine aticle. Ask
your reference librarian for help locating the publisher's address if
it is not printed in the book or magazine. If the publisher is no
longer in business, try locating the author in Who's Who in Literature
at your local library.
Copyright Fees - There is usually no fee for permission to quote from
copyrighted materials.
_______________________________________________________________________
Copyright Infringement and Remedies
What Are Copyright Infringements, 17 USC, Section 501 - Copyright
Infringements can occur from several different actions and/or methods.
ALL of these aspects must be considered in each case.
* The source itself -- is it copyrighted or public domain? If it is
copyrighted, who holds the copyright and what are the requirements
of that person or entity?
* The amount and type of information taken from the copyrighted
source.
* The market effect of one's use of the information -- it will
probably be on this point that someone will eventually be sued for
copyright infringement.
* The person or entity using the information from the copyrighted
source -- because different rules apply to different entities.
* Are we equivalent to a public library? Are we educators? Is The
USGenweb Project a non-profit organization in the LEGAL sense? I
think most of us will agree that this project doesn't yet have
clear legal claim to any of those titles or privileges. This
doesn't mean that we can't qualify, only that at this moment we
don't qualify.
Remedies - There are two provisions in the law for remedies of
violation of the copyright of a person. Both are rather severe-- the
person who feels they have been violated may sue for actual damages or
statutory damages.
* Actual damages include lost sales, the profit the infringing party
may have made from the infringement, and legal fees.
* Statutory Damages are fixed at $20,000 per infringement - if I
read the section correctly. This one gets a bit confusing, and is
covered in 28 US Code, Judiciary and Judicial Procedure.
Burden of Proof in Infringement Actions - During the course of its
deliberations on this section, the Committee's [US House of
Representatives] attention was directed to a recent court decision
holding that the plantiff in an infringment action had the burden of
establishing that the allegedly infringing copies in the defendant's
possession were not lawfully made or acquired under section 27 of the
present law [that would be the 1909 version of the copyright law, the
1976 act changed this], American International Pictures, Inc., v
Foreman, 400 FSupp928 (S.D. Alabama 1975).
The Committee believes that the court's decision, if followed, would
place a virtually impossible burden on copyright owners. The decision
is also inconsistent with the established legal principle that the
burden of proof should not be placed upon a litigant to establish
facts particuarly within the knowledge of his adversary. The defendant
in such actions clearly has the particular knowledge of how possession
of the particular copy was acquired, and should have the burden of
providing this evidence to the court. It is the intent of the
Committee, therefore, that in an action to determine whether a
defendant is entitled to the privilege established by section 109(a)
and (b), the burden of proving whether a particular copy was lawfully
made or aquired should rest on the defendant. [In other words, If
someone accused you of violating the infringment principles of
copyright law, it is up to you to prove you didn't.]
______________________________________________________________________
What is Not Copyrightable
* Tombstone information -- wording found on a tombstone itself
cannot be copyrighted.
* Public records
* Public information is not copyrightable, however, a compilation of
that information can be copyrighted.
* Dates of birth, marriage, and death, along with the names are
ordinarily not copyrightable.
* Census data
* It is a "legal fact" that "facts" are not copyrightable, although
their arrangement in a manner other than alphabetical may be
copyrightable. "Facts" are not copyrightable -- that is, they are
unprotectable elements -- and the bulk of genealogical CD data is
factual vital-statistics data that reside in the public domain
from the beginning. They are not taken out of the public domain by
being included in a copyrighted work.
______________________________________________________________________
Public Domain Materials - Materials where Copyright Protection has Expired
Public domain material includes but is not limited to the following:
* Material where the copyright has expired.
* All public records
* Materials published using public funds cannot be copyrighted.
* Works consisting entirely of information that is common property
containing no original material, and lists or tables taken from
public documents or other common sources.
______________________________________________________________________
Reprints and Facsimile Copies
* Once material enters Public Domain it may be republished or copied
in part or in total by anyone.
* A reprint of Public Domain material can be copyrighted. However
the copyright only applies to any new material (introduction,
summary, tables, index, etc.) which was added to the original. The
original material is still in Public Domain and can be used
freely.
* Contact the reprint publisher and or author if you have a question
on what is original and what is new.
* LDS filmed books: what counts here is whether the original work
was copyrighted. I believe that LDS either gets permission to copy
or copies works on which the copyright has expired.
Final Statement
We are not acting in private here. We are not merely pursuing our
private avocations. We have chosen to join a grassroots movement to
protect and preserve our family histories for our nation and the
generations to come. In doing so we have "gone public" in a big way,
and we are now subject to laws that govern such public groups.
We're all here to help the genealogical community. Folks doing lookups
should understand that authors have a legitimate right to
compensation, and a well-done lookup should include telling folks how
to buy the book when it's of significant value to their research.
Authors need to understand that genealogists have a right to look
before buying and that lookups should be perceived as a marketing tool
rather than a loss of sales.
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Tim
I agree with you completely.
Another suggestion. A couple of years ago Trey Holt, the Texas SC,
suggested that we ask permission from those we linked to. I've made that a
practice and incidentally have never been turned down. Just in the last
couple of weeks I asked permission of Steve Holtzclaw to link to his Cotton
Belt page and this was his response:
"What a nice message. Just made my day!! I think it would be great if
you'd place a link to my page. . . . Thanks again for your note. I was
impressed with the Smith County Texas site. Obviously a tremendous amount
of work has gone into its development."
Steve Holtzclaw
It takes a little extra time but I think it is worth it. It always pays to
be courteous and grateful.
Mary Love Berryman mailto:marylove@tyler.net
http://www.tyler.net/mlb/
County Coordinator - Coke & Smith Counties TXGenWeb Project
File Manager - Coke & Smith Counties TXGenWeb Archives
File Manager - Madison County GAGenWeb Archives
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell(a)chattanooga.net>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] and a possible solution
> Brenda: What I'm saying is - if one has a link to a URL such as - '8th
> Army Group, CSA' that if it leads directly to that info - perhaps a side
> note not in the clickable part say something to the effect of whose site
> has that - ie its not on your site - so give credit versus sending folks
> there with no explanation.
>
> And yes there is a difference in someone doing the work to put a site
> together and someone else coming along putting a frame around it and
> calling it theirs.
>
> Tim
>
> At 05:15 PM 2/12/01 -0500, B & C Pierce wrote:
> >Tim: I think there is a difference between a link to one page on
> someone's site than to "claim a project" is ours and
> >then proceed to link to someone's entire project - from every page you
> have. I don't mind links - I do mind when it
> >appears like others are taking credit for something that is not their's.
> > Brenda
Thanks, Tim, for leading us so well on the National Level and well as in
Georgia. It is a pleasure to work with you in the USGenWeb. And
Congratulations to everybody!!! It is a wonderful group of volunteers!
Mary Love Berryman
http://www.tyler.net/mlb/
County Coordinator - Coke & Smith Counties TXGenWeb Project
File Manager - Coke & Smith Counties TXGenWeb Archives
File Manager - Madison County GAGenWeb Archives
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell(a)chattanooga.net>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:58 AM
Subject: [GAGEN] Award
> To: tstowell(a)chattanooga.net
> From: LDRS GFSByron <LDRSGFSByron(a)aol.com>
> Subject: Best Site Pick Award
>
> Tim Stowell and all USGenWeb volunteers,
>
> Congratulations! Your site "USGenWeb" (http://www.usgenweb.org) has been
> selected by the Genealogy Forum on AOL to receive the Best Site Pick for
> the month of January 2001.
>
> Your site has been chosen because of its comprehensive nature in providing
> research help to those searching their ancestry in the United States.
> USGenWeb is the premier site for doing United States research. Your
> volunteers have acheived such a major task through building sites for each
> county within the US. It is essential for anybody searching US genealogy
to
> check the USGenWeb site for the counties researching to find information,
> databases, queries, etc. with possible leads to obtaining knowledge about
> one's family. This county by county approach is also providing much
> searched information in tombstone and census data. Volunteers of the
> Genealogy Forum find USGenWeb an essential resource in helping people with
> the US research.
>
> Your site will be listed on the Best Site Picks Award web page
> (http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/gfaol/bsp.htm). As an award
winning
> site, you are entitled to place the attached graphic on "USGenWeb" with a
> link back to the award web site
> (http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/gfaol/bsp.htm).
>
> The information and organization of "USGenWeb" shows the dedication and
> effort in providing easily accessible information to people searching
their
> genealogy. On behalf of the Genealogy Forum on AOL, we would like to thank
> you for your time and effort in making the Internet a better place to do
> research.
>
> Congratulations,
> Byron Holdiman,
> Internet Center Coordinator
>
> ___________________________________________________
> Genealogy Forum.com
>
> "No Matter what your level is in tracing family history -- from beginner
to
> professional genealogist -- there's something for you in Genealogy
Forum.com"
>
> www.genealogyforum.com
> ___________________________________________________
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>
To: tstowell(a)chattanooga.net
From: LDRS GFSByron <LDRSGFSByron(a)aol.com>
Subject: Best Site Pick Award
Tim Stowell and all USGenWeb volunteers,
Congratulations! Your site "USGenWeb" (http://www.usgenweb.org) has been
selected by the Genealogy Forum on AOL to receive the Best Site Pick for
the month of January 2001.
Your site has been chosen because of its comprehensive nature in providing
research help to those searching their ancestry in the United States.
USGenWeb is the premier site for doing United States research. Your
volunteers have acheived such a major task through building sites for each
county within the US. It is essential for anybody searching US genealogy to
check the USGenWeb site for the counties researching to find information,
databases, queries, etc. with possible leads to obtaining knowledge about
one's family. This county by county approach is also providing much
searched information in tombstone and census data. Volunteers of the
Genealogy Forum find USGenWeb an essential resource in helping people with
the US research.
Your site will be listed on the Best Site Picks Award web page
(http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/gfaol/bsp.htm). As an award winning
site, you are entitled to place the attached graphic on "USGenWeb" with a
link back to the award web site
(http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/gfaol/bsp.htm).
The information and organization of "USGenWeb" shows the dedication and
effort in providing easily accessible information to people searching their
genealogy. On behalf of the Genealogy Forum on AOL, we would like to thank
you for your time and effort in making the Internet a better place to do
research.
Congratulations,
Byron Holdiman,
Internet Center Coordinator
___________________________________________________
Genealogy Forum.com
"No Matter what your level is in tracing family history -- from beginner to
professional genealogist -- there's something for you in Genealogy Forum.com"
www.genealogyforum.com
___________________________________________________
>Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 04:10:27 -0800
>To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>From: Michael Saffold <msaffold(a)bellsouth.net>
>Subject: {not a subscriber} Chuich County
>
>Clinch would seem to be a good guess. There definitely is not and never was
>a Chuich County among the 161 of Georgia's current and former counties.
>Vivian Price Saffold
>
>>Has anyone seen a mention of a county in Georgia as "Chuich County,
Georgia"?
>>It is listed in a published genealogy (and we know how those are <g>) as
>>the birthplace of a person. The nearest that I can come is "Clinch County".
>>Anyone with any ideas?
>>Wyndell Taylor
>
>3570 Hildon Circle
>Chamblee, GA 30341
>Note: new email address and url
>msaffold(a)bellsouth.net
>http://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/~msaffold
>
>
Dear List,
Results of popular search engines, for Key Word(s)
"Pulaski County Georgia"
1. Microsoft #1
2. Netscape #3
3. AltaVista #1
4. Excite #1
5. Goggle Zip for the new site, #1 for old site
6. Go/To #2
7. Hot/Bot #2
8. LookSmart #3
9. Lycos #1
The secret is in the way your header is written on your
home page...
My 2 cents
Don Brown
Pulaski County Georgia Coordinator.
--
Don Brown buster(a)southwind.net
Visit the Pulaski County Ga. Genealogy Site at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gapulask/index.htm
Visit my Brown Family Site at:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donbrown/~index.htm
Tim wrote: "
In light of this -
talk of deep-linking (which means folks link to your subpages versus sending
folks to your front door)
please review the links on your county sites to make sure we are not guilty
of the same thing we are concerned of others doing to us.
In other words give credit where credit is due.
Thanks,
Tim
I am revising the Georgia Links and Information Page.
I have put up what I have and will work on it.
It takes a while to work back to the front door on each and every link.
Then sometimes you can't get to the page you wanted from the front door.
I will do the best I can. Any suggestions welcome.
Donna
Tim: I think there is a difference between a link to one page on someone's site than to "claim a project" is ours and
then proceed to link to someone's entire project - from every page you have. I don't mind links - I do mind when it
appears like others are taking credit for something that is not their's.
Brenda
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Stowell <tstowell(a)chattanooga.net>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] and a possible solution
As Joy Fisher wrote below, you can also use this code to keep other groups
from using your pages, for whatever reason.
As the recent controversy over familydiscovery and others come up, she shows
how to add new lines of code to what you might already have to prevent newly
discovered or old sites you wish you could have blocked before - this code
being invisible won't clutter your site with perhaps unsightly disclaimers.
As has been mentioned on the State-Coordinators list this weekend - if we show
each of our pages to be county x, GeorgiaGenWeb pages and USGenWeb pages,
folks
will know whom they belong to when visiting the data.
In light of this - talk of deep-linking (which means folks link to your
subpages
versus sending folks to your front door) please review the links on your
county
sites to make sure we are not guilty of the same thing we are concerned of
others
doing to us. In other words give credit where credit is due.
Thanks,
Tim
At 12:57 PM 2/11/01 -0600, Don wrote:
>Hi All,
>I didn't know exactly who to thank, I guess you'all. This code
>works. Go here to access my Pulaski Co., Ga. Page......
>http://www.accessgenealogy.com/georgia/index.htm
>
>Tim Stowell wrote:
>
>> Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:33:01 -0800
>> From: Joy Fisher <jfisher(a)ucla.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [STATE-COORD-L] And another internet thief raises up
>> To: STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>
>> For those who want to prevent deep-linking, add this bit of code between
>> <head> and </head>:
>>
>> <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
>> <!-- Original: Ronnie T. Moore, Editor -->
>> <!-- Web Site: http://javascriptsource.com -->
>>
>> <!-- This script and many more are available free online at -->
>> <!-- The JavaScript Source!! http://javascript.internet.com -->
>>
>> <!-- Begin
>> var refarray = new Array();
>> refarray['accessgenealogy.com'] =
>> "http://www.rootsweb.com/~sdgenweb/visit.html";
>> for (var i in refarray) {
>> if (document.referrer.indexOf(i) != -1)
window.location.replace(refarray[i]);
>> }
>> // End -->
>> </script>
>>
>> My re-direct is to a page called "visit.html" and so you will need to
>> figure out where you want visitors to be sent (a porno site might not be an
>> option <grin>)
>>
>> Edit the part that says "http://www.rootsweb.com/~sdgenweb/visit.html" and
>> change it to where you want folks to end up.
>>
>> You can add a line for familydiscovery.com too -- Copy the whole line:
>>
>> refarray['accessgenealogy.com'] =
>> "http://www.rootsweb.com/~sdgenweb/visit.html";
>>
>> paste it just below that line and change "accessgenealogy" to
>> "familydiscovery" on the second line. You can send those folks to a
>> different page just by changing the address.
>>
>> then you kill two rocks with one bird. <grin>
>>
>> To test it out, go to
>>
>> http://www.accessgenealogy.com/southdakota/index.htm
>>
>> scroll down to the link "SouthDakota Biographies" if you click on the link,
>> you get taken to my "visit page"
>>
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>> the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching
>> their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals
>> with just this type of research. Please refer them to:
>> http://www.adoption.org
>
>--
>
>Don Brown buster(a)southwind.net
>
>Visit the Pulaski County Ga. Genealogy Site at:
>http://www.rootsweb.com/~gapulask/index.htm
>
>Visit my Brown Family Site at:
>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donbrown/~index.htm
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>Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:02:14 -0800
>From: "shinkomcd" <shinkomcd(a)email.msn.com>
>Subject: {not a subscriber} ga battalion
>
>i am seeking info on the ga battalion commanded by col william ward who
left ga in dec 1835 headed for the tx revolutionary war. this battalion
was outfitted with weapons from the ga armory. would like to know details
about the quanity and type of weapons issued. am researching a book to be
written about james hughes callahan who was 3rd sgt in capt winns company.
have been unable to located info about callahan before he left ga. it is
reported he was from marion co ga. would appreciate any info or guidance
on who to contact. tom mcdonald tommyothomcd(a)hotmail.com
If anyone can assist Tom, please email him directly.
Thanks,
Tim
Hello
I have been looking at the Access Genealogy pages and it looks fine to me.
Like Cyndi's list except more searchable. It doesn't look to me like Family
Discovery, which was charging for free content.
That is the major difference for me. When I first started my own homepage
and the Houston County page, I spent many minutes going to lycos and
altavista etc to try to get the pages picked up on their web searchers. I
suspect we all have. If Access Genealogy isn't charging, then I have no
problem with them helping a Newbie find my pages. I do notice that they are
selling CD's, but then so does Cyndi sell books. In her case, books that
really help people search the net and find our pages.
I like people to find the information on these web pages, otherwise I should
be getting more fresh air!
IMHO,
Gaila
Listadmin: Howard and Cherry
Webmistress: Houston County, GA
> Tim,
>
> Dennis Partridge (partridge(a)knology.net) is a very nice person, IMHO, and
> is a legitimate genealogist with a good bunch of sites, including
> SurnameWeb - he has been around a long time - I remember him back at
> Maiser.
Has anyone seen a mention of a county in Georgia as "Chuich County, Georgia"?
It is listed in a published genealogy (and we know how those are <g>) as
the birthplace of a person. The nearest that I can come is "Clinch County".
Anyone with any ideas?
Wyndell Taylor
> Hello
> I have been looking at the Access Genealogy pages and it looks fine to me.
> Like Cyndi's list except more searchable. It doesn't look to me like
Family
> Discovery, which was charging for free content.
>
> That is the major difference for me. When I first started my own homepage
> and the Houston County page, I spent many minutes going to lycos and
> altavista etc to try to get the pages picked up on their web searchers. I
> suspect we all have. If Access Genealogy isn't charging, then I have no
> problem with them helping a Newbie find my pages. I do notice that they
are
> selling CD's, but then so does Cyndi sell books. In her case, books that
> really help people search the net and find our pages.
>
> I like people to find the information on these web pages, otherwise I
should
> be getting more fresh air!
>
> IMHO,
> Gaila
>
> Listadmin: Howard and Cherry
> Webmistress: Houston County, GA
>
>
> > Tim,
> >
> > Dennis Partridge (partridge(a)knology.net) is a very nice person, IMHO,
and
> > is a legitimate genealogist with a good bunch of sites, including
> > SurnameWeb - he has been around a long time - I remember him back at
> > Maiser.
>
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Jeff,
I'm searching for my ancestor Edward Pittman who won land in Wilkinson in
the 1807 GA Land Lottery (he was living Elbert County at the time).
Do you know how I could check to see what is on the Wilkinson Courthouse
records in reference to this Edward Pittman?
He drew Lot #44, District 11, in Wilkinson County, but apparently sold the
land. He next shows up in the 1820 Hall County Census.
He was born in 1785 somewhere in NC.
I'm hoping that the deed of sale may make reference to his birthplace in NC
or father's name.
Any help you can give me in searching Wilkinson records is deeply
appreciated.
Sonny Pittman
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I've been reading posts about this new 'linking to USGenWeb' website. I
agree with Gaila that although frustrating on some levels, they are merely
linking...at NO COST to their users...to numerous sites not just USGenWeb
county pages. They are, to me, merely reinventing the wheel that Cyndi's
List did years ago. If they ever start charging people, then they fall into
the category of familydiscovery.com...a big NO NO.
I don't mind people linking to my county websites so long as they don't try
to claim the material on the county webpages as their own. Not so much from
my personal efforts but I think it is a slap in the face to all the
volunteers that have made my 2 county websites truly useful to an on-line
researcher with all the data they have donated. If our vistors and
volunteers get frustrated, then that's what will hurt the USGenWeb
Project...
Just in my very personal humble opinion...perhaps the better approach is to
look at what we are doing in our own front and back yards. We have been an
organization for what, 5 years now? Do what it takes to make your county
website contain info that on-line researchers can use to at least create a
working outline of their tree. Add those census and marriage records to
start. ORGANIZE what you have on-line in a such a way so folks can find
stuff easily. THEN, perhaps individuals that started this new
accessgenealogy.com website won't feel the need to come up with a better
mousetrap...
CAT
Carol Ann "Cat" Tindell
Jacksonville Beach, FL
C.A.T.'s Southern Genealogy: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~catinjax
Researching: AKINS, BERRY, BOWERS, BROOKS, CANTRELL, DANIEL, LITTLE,
McCRAVEY, ROBERTS, STANDRIDGE, WALLIS & WOOD{S}
Our Southern AKINS: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~catinjax/akins
Researching: A&D of James AKIN, Sr. Henrico Co., VA
including his g-grandson, Lewis AKINS who d. 1791 Laurens Co., SC.
The BERRYs of North GA: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~catinjax/Berry/
including raw data & 1-stop resource for all BERRY links on the web
The TINDELLs of Calhoun Co., FL:
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~catinjax/tindell
Researching: DUNCAN, JONES, TINDEL of SE AL & West FL
Union Co., GAGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaunion
Fannin Co., GAGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gafannin
Old Walton Co., GAGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaoldwal
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim & Gaila <gaila(a)merrington.net>
To: GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Saturday, February 10, 2001 5:10 PM
Subject: Fw: [GAGEN] another despicable deep-linker note
>
>
>> Hello
>> I have been looking at the Access Genealogy pages and it looks fine to
me.
>> Like Cyndi's list except more searchable. It doesn't look to me like
>Family
>> Discovery, which was charging for free content.
>>
>> That is the major difference for me. When I first started my own
homepage
>> and the Houston County page, I spent many minutes going to lycos and
>> altavista etc to try to get the pages picked up on their web searchers.
I
>> suspect we all have. If Access Genealogy isn't charging, then I have no
>> problem with them helping a Newbie find my pages. I do notice that they
>are
>> selling CD's, but then so does Cyndi sell books. In her case, books
that
>> really help people search the net and find our pages.
>>
>> I like people to find the information on these web pages, otherwise I
>should
>> be getting more fresh air!
>>
>> IMHO,
>> Gaila
>>
>> Listadmin: Howard and Cherry
>> Webmistress: Houston County, GA
>>
>>
>> > Tim,
>> >
>> > Dennis Partridge (partridge(a)knology.net) is a very nice person, IMHO,
>and
>> > is a legitimate genealogist with a good bunch of sites, including
>> > SurnameWeb - he has been around a long time - I remember him back at
>> > Maiser.
>>
>
>
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>
I don't want a "turf war" - I just want people to be courteous and quite frankly I get tired
of the emails that tell me MY LINK IS BAD on someone else's site too. The whole
fam. disc. thing left a bad taste in my mouth. If we minded sharing we wouldn't put out
free information, its the fact that others take credit or make $ that upsets me when our
whole purpose is free. That's all from me. I'm back to my uploading free data.
Bre
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Love Berryman <marylove(a)tyler.net>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] another despicable deep-linker note
You are right - we don't need a turf war!
I want to go on record that I don't object to anyone linking to my Home
Pages of each of my counties. My objection is where they link to every page
which makes it look like their website.
I also object to them putting my links to records on a page with my email
address so that if the link is broken they write me and then I have to look
for where they are coming from. I have no way to correct those links but I
get their frustration for not being able to link. I have enough trouble
keeping the links on my pages current without having to take care of theirs,
too.
And for this I am accused of not wanting to share? :)
Mary Love
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol C-H" <cch(a)netdoor.com>
To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [GAGEN] another despicable deep-linker note
> Hi!
>
> I understand what you are saying - my point was that when a historically
> nice, cooperative person does this, there is always the possibility that
it
> was done either accidentally or without realizing the ramifications, and
if
> the situation can be remedied with a "please don't", that is much more
> pleasant (and productive), IMHO, than an all-out turf war.
>
> Carol
>
> At 11:14 AM 02/10/2001, B & C Pierce wrote:
> >Carol:
> > If he is a nice person then he will have no problem removing sites
that
> > do not want to be placed
> >in his project -- I don't want the ones I have worked hard to create put
> >there, and I will take what
> >ever action is necessary to have them removed from there.
> >
> > It is one thing to ask the board and the cc that maintains the site if
> > they would like to be part
> >of a joint project, it is entirely another to assume this is fine. To do
> >an entire project this way is
> >a little out of the normal link, I would think this would be at the least
> >on the verge of copyright infringements on sites that
> >have compilation copyrights.
> >
> >It is always nicer to ask people before taking credit for their
fruition.
> > Bre
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Carol C-H <cch(a)netdoor.com>
> >To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 10:23 AM
> >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] another despicable deep-linker note
> >
> >
> >Tim,
> >
> >Dennis Partridge (partridge(a)knology.net) is a very nice person, IMHO, and
> >is a legitimate genealogist with a good bunch of sites, including
> >SurnameWeb - he has been around a long time - I remember him back at
> >Maiser. When this sort of linking happened once a year or two ago -
around
> >the time of the first incident with familydiscovery.com, I e-mailed him
and
> >he willingly changed it so it didn't do this (check the archives for the
> >LOAF list at RootsWeb). I have always found him to be very friendly,
> >cooperative, and helpful, but, like many of us, he reacts very negatively
> >to being bullied, so if anyone contacts him with the idea of his changing
> >his set-up, they might want to keep this in mind.
> >
> >I will be posting to him shortly - as soon as I have a sip or two of
coffee -
> >
> >Carol
> >
> >
> >At 01:43 AM 02/10/2001, Tim Stowell wrote:
> > >Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 15:08:29 -0700
> > >From: Corky K <corkykn(a)imt.net>
> > >Subject: [STATE-COORD-L] And another internet thief raises up
> > >To: STATE-COORD-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > >
> > >I was just forwarded the URL below. If you click on most State Sites,
(I
> > >tried Kentucky, Montana and Tennessee), you'll get to a state resource
page
> > >which includes a list of counties - all of them USGenweb Project county
> > >sites. Above each county list is an icon "Access Genealogy County
Coop"
> > >which takes you an an explanation of their site. Within the wording
on
> > >that page, you'll find:
> > >"AG has already developed all 50 state pages for the US. At this time
we
> > >link to USGenWeb county resource sites though, as they offered the most
> > >complete listing of county websites. We'd like for this to change. Judy
and
> > >I originally thought we'd create our own county pages, but quickly
found
> > >the task too daunting for the just two of us. So why don't WE and YOU
join
> > >forces?"
> > >In other words, they'll "use" our county sites to promote their
project,
> > >until they can create their own county sites. There is, by the way,
no
> > >link to our National or to our State projects!
> > >
> > >Guess there's nothing we can do but wonder why such people are
completely
> > >lacking in character!
> > >
> > >Actually, there is some good new data within the site so it's too bad
they
> > >can't make an effort to refer people to our project instead of
shortcutting
> > >directly to our county and archived data links.
> > >
> > >Oh well... takes all kinds. I've ventilated, so now I feel better.
<LOL>
> > >
> > >Check it out at http://www.accessgenealogy.com/
> > >
> > >Corky
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Corky Knebel
> > >MtGenWeb Project State Coordinator
> > >http://www.imt.net/~corkykn/montana.html
> > >
> > >
> > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> > >USGenWeb's motto is ** Volunteers dedicated to free, online information
**
> >
> >
> >Carol C-H <cch(a)netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/
> >Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. --
> >Mahatma Gandhi
> >
> >
> >==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> >For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links
> >to the most popular Surname sites:
> >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/
> >
> >
> >
> >==== GAGEN Mailing List ====
> >This list is for open communications among County Coordinators, Regional
> > Coordinators and the officers and project leaders of GAGenWeb. If you
> >wish to address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to:
> > <GAGENWEB-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>
>
> Carol C-H <cch(a)netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/
> Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. --
> Mahatma Gandhi
>
>
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