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Vickie Ashley (Berrien-Co-Ga(a)bigfoot.com) has volunteered to continue to
explore the idea of a Marriage Database for Georgia.
She would really like to work with some other people as she looks at the
various methods that we talked about and the search engines that are
available and how they would work with each method.
If you are interested in working with her, please do contact her.
Also we only mentioned a couple of counties that had marriage data already
on-line. Would you please let Vickie know if you presently have it....the
URL to where it is located, and the method that you are using.
We'll all look forward to hearing why you discover and recommend.
Virginia
HOORAY for Jean!!!!
>You know that many if not most people seem to take as fact ANYTHING they
see
>in print. For many, the internet is PRINT. Scary......isn't it!
>
>Jean
Lea
Good Monday Morning...
I agree that IF this is to be done....then the Databases should be done
within the Counties. I LOVE my Genconnect Query Forum but am not
particularly pleased with some of the other Boards they have developed.
They may work for YOU but I found myself having to move most messages (as
they were queries rather than data) sent to an Obits or Bio board. This
might be a problem.....along with folks just know that their folks got
married a certain day and place but there is NO PROOF in this world
(<g>because it's usually wrong <G> but not always<g>).
Form aside, wouldn't the new RootsWeb Search System be the answer? As I
understand it you can set it to search (the form you place on your page)
just one county or one state or the whole system........ Now, I've not
checked into this, but maybe someone here can and let us know if that would
work to make things available from a state search...... Not just
marriages.....any name......anywhere in GA!
One thought, I HATE messages from people who have questions for me based on
a link they've picked up (they visited only one part/page of my site). It
is obvious they did not visit the site or they would have seen the answer
before they got to the area they are questioning. I don't know about YOU
but my pages are set up to move you through things in an order that
hopefully, answers questions that would logically occur. FOR instance: to
get to the marriages you first choose from different collections then the
next page tells you where the information came from so you can verify it;
then you choose the alphabetical link to the actual marriage data.
AND another parting thought......is our goal to "spoon feed" the visitors to
GAGenWeb and our pages or to provide research information and opportunities
to learn "how to feed themselves"? I LOVE the data going up.....but I HATE
the type of genealogy I see going on more and more......the gathering of
information from any place and incorporation without documenting of it into
works which one day will be HUGE stumbling blocks to serious researchers.
You know that many if not most people seem to take as fact ANYTHING they see
in print. For many, the internet is PRINT. Scary......isn't it!
Jean
Virginia,
I am NOT volunteering, but have a related question. Is Rootsweb on a Unix
or a NT Server. Either way, a database could be written with a search form
and easily opened as a database.
I am interested, as I would like to eventually get a search engine like this
for some of my own pages. Carol's Talbot Co., GA could use one as well with
her massive amount of data that is continually growing.
Thanks,
Lea
Just spent the better part of my morning printing out Patti's wonderful report
found on the FTM homepage on the descendant's of Clement Hancock . Just to
let you know my FTM page has an outline report of the descendants of Josiah &
Mary Moody. I'm posting an update to this report today. If you will check
it, you will find updated info for the Moodys and also some corrections to
your data. I'll use the full names and not nicknames so if you wish , your
Moody data will be more complete, i.e., I'm Lydia Terrelle Moody....Terre is a
nickname and it has been spelled Terry, Terri, and now Terre...my Mom & Dad
used Terry, my husband liked Terri, so I used that for awhile and then I
turned 40 and decided to take control and now use Terre 8>)
t.
First, thank you for all the nice notes! I was really blushing with the
compliments. The very best part of GAGenWeb is the wonderful CCs that we
work with and I have enjoyed so much getting to know individuals as we work
together.
Marriage Data Base Summary
VOLUNTEER LEADER needed!
Several people replied with enthusiasm about the idea of a statewide/county
marriage database. Would anyone like VOLUNTEER to help get this ORGANIZED
or assist CCs who might want to set-up any of the systems below....or
design/implement a single system for all of us to consider?
Suggestions presented:
CC HELPER
Margie Daniels already has a Marriage Data Base on line for Macon County.
She uses CC Helper for the set-up....which is searchable with the CC Helper
system covering all CC Helper sites.
Her page design is delightful!! You'll want to take a look....
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamacon/index.htmlhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~gamacon/marriages.htm
GEN CONNECT
Deborah Byrd recommended a Gen Connect Board (which would need to be set-up
for this special purpose). Gen Connect has its own Search System with SurHelper.
MAIL MERGE
Wyndell Taylor mentioned that a mail merge automatic system would also work.
SIMPLE TEXT
Carol Johnson (Talbot Co) is a prodigious data-typist has provided her data
in simple text form and this was one of the first things she did for her county.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gatalbot/gatalbot.htm (main page)
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gatalbot/talmar1.htm (marriages)
COUNTY/STATE
Seems that most people recommended the system be set up within the County,
but with a search system that would cover the whole State. It would be nice
if people didn't have to go county-to-county, BUT this seems to me would
require that all the counties use the same system. Ideas???
ANALYSIS
CAT presented an excellent analysis of the issue, and her questions and
points would be very helpful to anyone who is willing to pursue establishing
this database.
CONCERNS
Lea Dowd expressed concerns about the validity of the material if it were
just added to by individuals (which was the first idea presented).
The County Registers that I saw were actually based on "Marriage Record
Books", but some offered the option of individuals adding/correcting their
information.
OTHER MARRIAGE DATA PAGES
I'm sure that others already have their marriage books on-line, so we'd
welcome hearing from others about how and where they have their materials
on-line.
HOW OTHER STATES ARE DOING IT?
This all started with the mention of the NC Statewide system which was just
set-up. Is anyone aware of systems being used in OTHER States?
I think that I have included a summary of all the ideas presented. If I
overlooked anyone, please mention it....
Virginia
Let me on, too.
And publically on this list, "in front of God and everyone", I would like to
say that I have wondered (and specifically asked) Virginia what she does/did
for a living that might have given her the training or insight into being
such a good people-person. She always carefully avoids the subject of HER
and is so supportive of us and our sometimes meager issues.
Rah-Rah Virginia! Along with Tim, she is one of the nicest things about my
Rootsweb/USGenWeb/GAGenWeb experience.
Sylvia Caldwell Rankin
A rabble-rouser-homesick-Texan in Pickens County, GA
Virginia has been very kind and supportive to me also and I say THANK YOU
VIRGINIA.
Jean in Bartow Co. Ga
SBlack2895(a)aol.com wrote:
> I would like to echo this sentiment. She has been nothing but supportive and
> helpful to me since I became part of this project. I was one of those people
> who were totally clueless and it sure was nice to encounter someone like
> Virginia........
>
> Susan
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I would like to echo this sentiment. She has been nothing but supportive and
helpful to me since I became part of this project. I was one of those people
who were totally clueless and it sure was nice to encounter someone like
Virginia........
Susan
----- Original Message -----
From: Denise (Kirkland) Smiley <MDSMILEY(a)prodigy.net>
To: <Grmargie(a)aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 1999 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [GAGEN-L] I have been unsubbed because of the message I sent to
the GAGEN
> Hi Margie,
>
> This is happening at the Nation USGenWeb By-Law Committee level, right?
>
> What can we do besides emailing Roger to help resolve this?
>
> I personally believe that everyone involve with the USGenWeb Project,
should
> have the same attitude as all of us that are associated with the GAGenWeb
> Project. "It is not about my/your/her/his/their way, it is about doing
> what is right and in the best interest of the Project, whether it be our
> idea or not."
>
> Everyone should at least be able to agree to disagree. And no one should
be
> intimated about expressing their feelings or beliefs, and definitely
> shouldn't be thrown aside for doing so! A great idea can come from
putting
> several suggestions together.
>
> Let me know how I can help.
>
> Denise Smiley
> Decatur Co., GAGenWeb CC
> GAGenWeb Unknown County Queries CC
> SW GAGenWeb Regional CC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <GAGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 1999 9:42 PM
> Subject: [GAGEN-L] I have been unsubbed because of the message I sent to
the
> GAGEN
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> > Because of the message I sent to this list and others I have been
unsubbed
> > from the By Laws committee. I suppose that means since I have not been
in
> > total agreement with Norma Lewis that she has thrown me off the
committee.
>
>
I would like to say that Virginia Crilley has been the GREATEST.
I could not have ordered anyone better!!! She has always been there for me
and I mean even on my stupidest day and she knows which one that was.
>From the beginning she made feel as if I were part of a team and that I could
call on her or my team at anytime. She is always sharing her finds with her
team.
(She did not pay me to write this).
I have had my bad hair days but that comes with the territory.
She gave me her phone number in case I needed her and when I called I never
felt rushed or that I was imposing. She made me feel as if we had always
known each other.
She asks for our opinions on how we think things should or could be done and
then lets us know what the others inputs are.
We are a team and a very good team.
Thanks Virginia for all your help.
Margie
CC Macon County and Crawford County, Ga.
Hi,
It is me Margie and I started a storm and want to try and clear up some of it.
I was on the Bylaws committee until I sent the nasty message that Norma Lewis
wrote to the committee. I was not even notified that I had been unsubbed and
no longer a part of the committee.
In a email from Tim he asked that everyone contact the committee with their
views on what was going on. I decided to answer before the questions started.
Now this is not for the state of Georgia but for the entire project.
ByLaws page address is http://wcic.cioe.com/~gizmo/
The person that made the comments was Norma Lewis CCBRC ViceChair
I suggest that you let Roger Swafford ccbrc(a)bigfoot.com
know what how you feel.
I have asked that Norma Lewis be removed from her position and I am not the
first to have asked that she be removed there are others that have been
unsubbed and removed from the committee because of the conflict with Norma. So
much for democracy and freedom of speech.
In the last 6 months there have been many persons including myself that has
had to suffer the tongue lashing from Norma. It seems as if her views are the
only ones that will be heard and if your opinion is different then she wants
you off the committee.
I cannot tell you how serious this is and connot convey to you how important
it is for your opinions to be heard I ask that you let speak up while you
still have a voice to be heard about the decisions that this board wants to
make.
Right now this committee is unofficial but they want to make their proposals
at the next meeting.
If you take the attitude it does not affect me then you will be mistaken it
does.
Again this IS NOT on the STATE level it is on the National Level.
Sorry if I confused anyone. I thought that everyone knew about the Bylaws
Committee and that it was on the National Level.
I want to say this to all of you CC's.
I do a lot of web surfing and have looked at every Georgie county and each and
everyone of you do a great job. Georgia is the reason I decided to take a
county page. The work on the pages are beautiful and informative. I have two
GA. counties and know how much work it takes to keep these counties current
and up to date. It takes a person that loves genealogy to do what we do. In
this organization I think it should be from the ground up not the opposite we
are the ones that make this project work. Archives are great but you know
what without us there will be no archives. Where does the archives info come
from RESEARCHERS. That would be us. I don't know about the rest of you but I
beg, whine, moan and will barter to get info for my pages.
A GREAT BIG HAND FOR THE BEST STATE IN THE PROJECT!!!!!!
Margie
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Because of the message I sent to this list and others I have been unsubbed
from the By Laws committee. I suppose that means since I have not been in
total agreement with Norma Lewis that she has thrown me off the committee.
Since I am a lowly CC I suppose she feels that since I don't know what I want
that it is up to her to make sure I do know what is best for me as a CC.
The sad part is that she is not the committee chair and I am not the only
committee person that has been thrown off because of our views. The call went
out for volunteers not yes men or women. I was not even notified that I was
being kicked off I had to hear it from someone else.
I move that Norma Lewis be removed from her current position on the By Laws
Committee in light of her views of and her rude comments made about the CC's.
I urge everyone to let Roger Swafford know just what your feelings are on the
issue.
You can reach Roger at:
ccbrc(a)bigfoot.com
So here is an open message to The Tyrrant Norma Lewis
NOT TO THE LONGEST DAY THAT YOU TAKE A BREATH WILL YOU DICTATE TO ME ON WHAT I
DO OR DO NOT NEED TO DO.
THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SINGLE SUGGESTION MADE THAT YOU DID NOT WRITE BACK AND
RIDICULE THE PERSON THAT SUGGESTED IT. YOU ARE A ONE WOMAN MIRACLE. THAT IS
YOU ARE THE ONLY BEING WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION THAT HAS AN INTELLIGENT
SUGGESTION AND THE REST ARE MINDELESS PEONS MUCH LIKE SHEEP TO BE HERDED.
YOUR OPINION OF CC'S AS STATED BELOW SHOWS WHAT YOUR TRUE MOTIVE IS.
"If CC's don't want it, that is their problem, they are wrong, we need to help
them understand how and why they need governing.
By giving in to this attitude we are enforcing the "me" attitude that has
caused so many problems for this project. "I just want to take care of my
county, I don't care about the rest of the project, leave me alone." This is
the attitude of an immature adult.
Not voting is the result of irresponsibility on the part of the voters and
those who ask for votes. " written by Norma Lewis on the By Laws Committee
In a message dated 99-03-09 09:40:09 EST, you write:
Subj: Re: [GAGEN-L] Lea's suggestion
Date: 03/12/99
To: gholback(a)gte.net
In a message dated 99-03-09 09:40:09 EST, you write:
<< If we are to be a
democratic body then let us start to use a process like our own
governments system. >>
Hi all,
I am Margie Glover Daniels and I am on the committee for the new Bylaws.
I have a lot of concerns about the direction that the committee if moving in.
There will be areas that have no representation and the areas that do the
committee wants to select those. I am in the opinion that there is too much
ado about nothing.
Here is what I think.
We should NOT have a Board rather we should have a National Rep. and that
person should work with the RC's.
We should have regional represenatives and should have all regions
represented.
We should have state coordinators and those SC should be the one to help the
CC's in that state with problems not to dictate or tell them what they have
or
how things should be done. They should be there for the problems and help
for
the newbies.
Guidelines can be put in place as to what should be on a county site. And
they
shoudl be just that guidelines. There could also be a rule to address a
county that is not maintaining their page. A page should not be under
construction for over 30 days and I think 30 days is a really long time.
But
sometimes computers do go down and they do go out for repair.
Anyway all this should be worked out and voted on by everyone. This can be
done on a state by state basis or National. I think it should be National so
all the pages have solid basic info. Cemeteries, local history, funeral
homes, marriages, deaths, all information that is available on the county.
It
should not be a home page for that individual's genealogy and I have seen
some
like that.
Just like our government.
President
States
Counties
All changes must be put to a full vote and the majority wins. There is one
issue here. How do you handle a state that has 5 CC's with 20 counties they
are handling opposed to a state that has 20 CC handling 20 counties this
would
give an unfair advantage to the 20 vs the 5. This would have to be worked
out.
Now, to the CC's. Without the CC's there will be no project. In many of the
committee discussions it appears that we are thought to be mere pawns to be
moved around as one sees fit. Much like factory workers.
Please read this and I think you will see how serious this situation is. I
have warned the committee that they are playing with fire and would get
burned
if thought for one minute that the CC's would stand for this kind of
treatment.
You can respond to Norma Lewis and Roger at the addresses below.
Roger's address is at the CC Bylaws Review Committee -
http://wcic.cioe.com/~gizmo
Subj: Re: Article VI - Motion
Date: 99-02-25 13:01:48 EST
From: norie(a)localaccess.com (Norma Lewis)
CC: ccbylaws(a)listbot.com (CCBRC)
CC Bylaws Review Committee - http://wcic.cioe.com/~gizmo
The chair opened this article for free discussion. It is time, we need to
hash
this point out - do we or do we not need governing? Do we even need a board?
The CC's don't want it!
I think trying to rid USGW of government is akin to getting rid of Bill
Clinton, really! To say CC's don't want governing, don't need it, is coming
in
through the back door - it's leaving the whole project open to constant chaos
- it's giving the SC's nothing to fall back on when they have unmanageable
CC's - it's taking from CC's their one avenue of redress when they are
treated
unfairly by their SC, among other things. And then you contradict your whole
premise by saying we do need an NC to do certain things at the administrative
level. However, in this project the CC's have been the administrators - they
are the SC's, they are the Board, they are the NC, the webmaster, etc. etc.
By
allowing the states to have SC's you are endorsing governing.
By saying we need no board you are taking away the SC's administration. And
then you say we don't need regions,
but then again you say certain things should be handled at the region level,
the state level. It just doesn't compute. You can't have part of it without
having all of it. This is direct contradiction.
Our job on this committee is to write by-laws and guidelines that are simple
and easy to use and also cover all situations important to the membership, to
protect and serve the membership.
If CC's don't want it, that is their problem, they are wrong, we need to help
them understand how and why they need governing.
By giving in to this attitude we are enforcing the "me" attitude that has
caused so many problems for this project. "I just want to take care of my
county, I don't care about the rest of the project, leave me alone." This is
the attitude of an immature adult.
Not voting is the result of irresponsibility on the part of the voters and
those who ask for votes.
This project is full of immaturity, irresponsibility, hot heads who speak
without thinking or knowing the facts, and just plain bad manners and
disrespect for fellow human beings.
We are working for the project as a whole, for its progress and growth for
the
future.
We want government from the bottom up. There is no room in this project for
"me, me, me". If it can't be "us" we are beat before we begin, and constant
upheaval on the board is a prime example of this.
Wrong attitudes of individuals are allowed to influence other members
in direct contradiction to parliamentary procedure which could be enforcing
cooperation on the board.
PP is not evident in the bylaws so it isn't
enforced. This committee was formed to rewrite the bylaws. We are ready to
submit our first amendment which will be the change of name of the board. Can
we discuss the bylaws
and stop trying to throw it out, or are you taking the easy way out?
LOL.......
Norma
I appeal to you all let your voice be known to the committee chair.
This will give you an idea of what is thought of the CC's.
I will probably be thrown off the committee for sharing this email with you.
Margie
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Just to let you all know, I'm probably the County Coordinator everyone see=
ms
to be referring to, as having said, in so many words, "I'm content taking
care of what I signed on to take care of, which is my page, just leave me
out of the politics swirling round-about."
I do not at all apologize for those words, but I later did apologize to Ti=
m
Stowell & the Board, for what I did not , but should have said, which was,
"there have to be rules and leadership, always, or else there is nothing b=
ut
chaos." And, you have the right to label my words above as being from an
immature adult if you like. Or, you might instead, choose to hear what I
was really saying, as per the context of the entire message.
As far as I can see, not much has changed in the past 6 months or so. We
CC's are not privy to various messages passing between the "higher
etchelon", and only allowed glimpses of just a few its & bits of those
messages.
Then,all of a sudden, we are asked to form a decision (which obviously
cannot be an INFORMED decision) concerning a topic, directly affecting
us, from tidbits & excerpts included therein and if we can't do that, we a=
re
immature or irresponsible? Whoa!!
You are sadly mistaken if you think that making up a set of rules, dictati=
ng
to the CC's what they HAVE to do, to QUALIFY as a CC, is going to
effectively move any one forward. And yes, indeedy, there just might be a
few who would feel called upon, to back their own contributions up a tad,
just to prove to you they CAN.
And, I would absolutely downright guarantee, that approaching this or the
people involved with the attitude, reflected in the words, "This project i=
s
full of immaturity, irresponsibility, hot heads who speak without thinking
or knowing the facts, and just plain bad manners and disrespect for fellow
human beings.". Point being here is, you cannot force anyone to do other
than they wish to do, period. You can make sweeping generalizations, moan,
groan, complain, gritch, insult, stoop to personally insulting, casting
aspersions, etc, set all sorts of rules, it won't get you or them, US GenW=
eb
or GaGenWeb, or the page visitor anywhere, period. In fact, those habits
have to be part of the problem, rather than part of the solution.
But, downright, absolutely guarantee you, that if you approach the CC's li=
ke
worthy adults, volunteers who just might not have time for childish foolis=
h
game-playing or LABELS, who signed up to do a job, and are doing it to th=
e
best of their abilities, in spite of many, many other demands on their tim=
e,
or distractions from the Board.
You are the Board. It is your responsibility to take charge. But taking
charge sure doesn't mean your judgment is any better than mine as a CC. I=
t
just means you've hopefully applied yourself to looking at more of the tot=
al
picture than perhaps I have. Maybe. And just maybe, you can see beyond "m=
e,
me, me" to applying yourself to better enable these oh, so worthy CC's to
pull out of themselves (i.e., educating them), by providing the means to
build their pages, & better applying themselves to the project.
And, as far as I'm concerned, that goal has got to be your main
consideration in all you do. You've been given the responsibility to take
this great gift; the CC's, and the page visitors, and creatively shape
GaGenWeb into something even more worthwhile. It just seems such a
waste of energy to attack yourself, by criticizing those who you rely upon=
,
when complimenting us or reinforcing us would get you, and us, far
better results. We know what we have to do. Help us, don't hinder our
efforts.
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Because of the message I sent to this list and others I have been unsubbed
from the By Laws committee. I suppose that means since I have not been in
total agreement with Norma that she has thrown me off the committee.
Since I am a lowly CC I suppose she feels that since I don't know what I want
that it is up to her to make sure I do know what is best for me as a CC.
The sad part is that she is not the committee chair and I am not the only
committee person that has been thrown off because of our views. The call went
out for volunteers not yes men or women. I was not even notified that I was
being kicked off I had to hear it from someone else.
I move that Norma Lewis be removed from her current position on the By Laws
Committee in light of her views of and her rude comments made about the CC's.
I urge everyone to let Roger Swafford know just what your feelings are on the
issue.
You can reach Roger at:
ccbrc(a)bigfoot.com
So here is an open message to The Tyrrant Norma Lewis
NOT TO THE LONGEST DAY THAT YOU TAKE A BREATH WILL YOU DICTATE TO ME ON WHAT I
DO OR DO NOT NEED TO DO.
YOU ARE A NARROW MINDED IDIOT THAT HAS NO BUSINESS ON ANY COMMITTEE MUCH LESS
ONE ON BYLAWS. THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SINGLE SUGGESTION MADE THAT YOU DID NOT
WRITE BACK AND RIDICULE THE PERSON THAT SUGGESTED IT. YOU ARE A ONE WOMAN
MIRACLE. THAT IS YOU ARE THE ONLY BEING WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION THAT HAS AN
INTELLIGENT SUGGESTION AND THE REST ARE MINDELESS PEONS.
YOUR OPINION OF CC'S AS STATED BELOW SHOWS WHAT YOUR TRUE MOTIVE IS.
In a message dated 99-03-09 09:40:09 EST, you write:
Subj: Re: [GAGEN-L] Lea's suggestion
Date: 03/12/99
To: gholback(a)gte.net
In a message dated 99-03-09 09:40:09 EST, you write:
<< If we are to be a
democratic body then let us start to use a process like our own
governments system. >>
Hi all,
I am Margie Glover Daniels and I am on the committee for the new Bylaws.
I have a lot of concerns about the direction that the committee if moving in.
There will be areas that have no representation and the areas that do the
committee wants to select those. I am in the opinion that there is too much
ado about nothing.
Here is what I think.
We should NOT have a Board rather we should have a National Rep. and that
person should work with the RC's.
We should have regional represenatives and should have all regions
represented.
We should have state coordinators and those SC should be the one to help the
CC's in that state with problems not to dictate or tell them what they have
or
how things should be done. They should be there for the problems and help
for
the newbies.
Guidelines can be put in place as to what should be on a county site. And
they
shoudl be just that guidelines. There could also be a rule to address a
county that is not maintaining their page. A page should not be under
construction for over 30 days and I think 30 days is a really long time.
But
sometimes computers do go down and they do go out for repair.
Anyway all this should be worked out and voted on by everyone. This can be
done on a state by state basis or National. I think it should be National so
all the pages have solid basic info. Cemeteries, local history, funeral
homes, marriages, deaths, all information that is available on the county.
It
should not be a home page for that individual's genealogy and I have seen
some
like that.
Just like our government.
President
States
Counties
All changes must be put to a full vote and the majority wins. There is one
issue here. How do you handle a state that has 5 CC's with 20 counties they
are handling opposed to a state that has 20 CC handling 20 counties this
would
give an unfair advantage to the 20 vs the 5. This would have to be worked
out.
Now, to the CC's. Without the CC's there will be no project. In many of the
committee discussions it appears that we are thought to be mere pawns to be
moved around as one sees fit. Much like factory workers.
Please read this and I think you will see how serious this situation is. I
have warned the committee that they are playing with fire and would get
burned
if thought for one minute that the CC's would stand for this kind of
treatment.
You can respond to Norma Lewis and Roger at the addresses below.
Roger's address is at the CC Bylaws Review Committee -
http://wcic.cioe.com/~gizmo
Subj: Re: Article VI - Motion
Date: 99-02-25 13:01:48 EST
From: norie(a)localaccess.com (Norma Lewis)
CC: ccbylaws(a)listbot.com (CCBRC)
CC Bylaws Review Committee - http://wcic.cioe.com/~gizmo
The chair opened this article for free discussion. It is time, we need to
hash
this point out - do we or do we not need governing? Do we even need a board?
The CC's don't want it!
I think trying to rid USGW of government is akin to getting rid of Bill
Clinton, really! To say CC's don't want governing, don't need it, is coming
in
through the back door - it's leaving the whole project open to constant chaos
- it's giving the SC's nothing to fall back on when they have unmanageable
CC's - it's taking from CC's their one avenue of redress when they are
treated
unfairly by their SC, among other things. And then you contradict your whole
premise by saying we do need an NC to do certain things at the administrative
level. However, in this project the CC's have been the administrators - they
are the SC's, they are the Board, they are the NC, the webmaster, etc. etc.
By
allowing the states to have SC's you are endorsing governing.
By saying we need no board you are taking away the SC's administration. And
then you say we don't need regions,
but then again you say certain things should be handled at the region level,
the state level. It just doesn't compute. You can't have part of it without
having all of it. This is direct contradiction.
Our job on this committee is to write by-laws and guidelines that are simple
and easy to use and also cover all situations important to the membership, to
protect and serve the membership.
If CC's don't want it, that is their problem, they are wrong, we need to help
them understand how and why they need governing.
By giving in to this attitude we are enforcing the "me" attitude that has
caused so many problems for this project. "I just want to take care of my
county, I don't care about the rest of the project, leave me alone." This is
the attitude of an immature adult.
Not voting is the result of irresponsibility on the part of the voters and
those who ask for votes.
This project is full of immaturity, irresponsibility, hot heads who speak
without thinking or knowing the facts, and just plain bad manners and
disrespect for fellow human beings.
We are working for the project as a whole, for its progress and growth for
the
future.
We want government from the bottom up. There is no room in this project for
"me, me, me". If it can't be "us" we are beat before we begin, and constant
upheaval on the board is a prime example of this.
Wrong attitudes of individuals are allowed to influence other members
in direct contradiction to parliamentary procedure which could be enforcing
cooperation on the board.
PP is not evident in the bylaws so it isn't
enforced. This committee was formed to rewrite the bylaws. We are ready to
submit our first amendment which will be the change of name of the board. Can
we discuss the bylaws
and stop trying to throw it out, or are you taking the easy way out?
LOL.......
Norma
I appeal to you all let your voice be known to the committee chair.
This will give you an idea of what is thought of the CC's.
I will probably be thrown off the committee for sharing this email with you.
Margie
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Eileen Sumner on her Baldwin County page has a very interesting site.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabaldwi/http://www.potifos.com/tpg/geo/GA/BD.html
This deals primarily with "famous people" of the County and their burial
locations, but also includes some information on population, maps,
political, economic, education data.
I looked up Upson and Taylor County and also found out some interesting
information so quickly added the link to my pages....both under History and
Cemeteries!
I'm not sure what the MAIN page URL really is for this Political
Graveyard....you get to an Index page and then sort of guess what the
abbreviation for your county is....
Incidentally, Eileen became CC in November and I applaud the work she's done!
On the welcome message she includes the famous people from Baldwin County!
Interesting idea too.
Virginia
I've had people ask me about how to use both the USGenWeb Logo and the
GAGenWeb logo.....so thought you might be interested in what Barbara Stock
has done with Harris County.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaharris/index.html
By using the Banner she gets them both in and a prominent name of the county
too.
I also think the font she uses on the page makes it easy to read!
<font face="arial" size="+3">
There are so many good ideas out there in the GAGenWeb....
Virginia
Rootsweb is working on a Threaded Mailing List Archives, which I understand
is very good.
If you are interested, you can go here:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/archives/
You will need to sign up to have access and listowners can
register their lists at this site.
There are a couple of steps to this process....but the directions are very
clear.
Once you've signed up, you can search the archives here:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/archives/search.html
Virginia
Hi Denise,
2 of my counties aren't on your list that have marriage records:
Lumpkin Co: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ga/lumpkin.htm
and
Union Co.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaunion/EarlyMarriages.txt
Thanks,
CAT
Denise (Kirkland) Smiley wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I have been trying to update the GAGenWeb Records On-Line Pages tonight.
> Below are the counties that I have so far that have marriage records
> on-line.
>
> If you do not see your county listed below and you have marriage records
> on-line, please email your county name and the url for the records.
>
> Thank you for you help.
>
> Denise Smiley
>
> Ben Hill County
> Brantley County
> Brooks County
> Bryan County
> Bulloch County
> Burke County
> Butts County
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> Charlton County
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> Dooly County
> Douglas County
> Echols County
> Emanuel County
> Fannin County
> Forsyth County
> Franklin County
> Glascock County
> Glynn County
> Gwinnett County
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> Muscogee County
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Hi Everyone,
I have been trying to update the GAGenWeb Records On-Line Pages tonight.
Below are the counties that I have so far that have marriage records
on-line.
If you do not see your county listed below and you have marriage records
on-line, please email your county name and the url for the records.
Thank you for you help.
Denise Smiley
Ben Hill County
Brantley County
Brooks County
Bryan County
Bulloch County
Burke County
Butts County
Camden County
Campbell County
Carroll County
Charlton County
Chattahoochee County
Cherokee County
Clarke County
Decatur County
Dooly County
Douglas County
Echols County
Emanuel County
Fannin County
Forsyth County
Franklin County
Glascock County
Glynn County
Gwinnett County
Houston County
Monroe County
Montgomery County
Muscogee County
Pulaski County
Tattnall County
Wayne County