Emily,
Living in a house full of ladies does that to you! <G>
It's a wonder that they haven't put me away in a home by now...
Give them my
thanks! <VBG> AND, I'm happy the bribe is working! Seriously, I really
appreciate you checking for me and do hope you have some time for yourself
there.
Not really, but there was that stuff about Hendre Mawr being on
the
Vaughn property on that roll which was nice to find. Time just flies by
too
quickly there. And three hours isn't nearly enough for one sitting.
That's my
only gripe about Swarthmore. But it's free research, so I can't complain
too
loudly.
BTW, Roy will be coming to Swarthmore in a few weeks to work on his
line...or so he just told me. I mentioned that one of our members who will
be going to Wales this summer lived fairly close, but I said no more than
that.
What line is he descended from? If I get the chance I might stop
in and
say hello. Maybe I could show him Gwynedd, if he's interested.
Other researchers have suggested that Sarah Evans and Robert Pugh
were
married in Wales. Roy is working on that in for it, but wanted to be sure
he was looking for a Robert and not an Evan Pugh. I take it that you
didn't find any Sarah Evans and Evan Pughs mentioned together as a couple,
or possible couple, did you, Roland?
I did not. In fact I don't recall seeing Evan Pugh at all. Of
course the
clock police stopped my search in the 1710 records, so who knows what
else is
there.
Thanks SO much for the information. I appreciate having the birth
dates.
I didn't have them all. Do I understand that the dates you sent were
Quaker dates, or not? Then would Evan be born 20 May or 20 or Aug?
I don't know the answer to that, although I would guess that
they were
Quaker dates. I can try to find that out the next time I'm there.
Does anyone know if land records for someone who was listed in the
Quaker
records of Radnor are available? Has anyone checked them?
Lands records for Quakers are available through the county
records.
Quaker were not outlaws in Pennsylvania like they were in Wales. Quite
the
contrary, they literally ran Pennsylvania at that period. It's critical
to
remember though, that while present day Gwynedd sits in Montgomery
County, that
county didn't exist until 1784. Prior to that Gwynedd was in
Philadelphia
County, which is where you should be able to find the records. As for
the Welsh
Tract settlers, the great majority of that area sits in present day
Delaware
County. But Delaware County didn't exist until 1789. Until then the
Welsh Tract
was part of Chester County. Researchers waste a lot of time looking in
Norristown and Media for records that exist in Philadelphia and West
Chester.
Roland, are any of these Swarthmore records you mentioned copied by
the
LDS? I would be interested in the Ellis Pugh line as they connect to me,
although not directly.
Swarthmore records were copied by the LDS. You should have no
problem
finding that. They would be listed under the Radnor MM records, since
Radnor
governed Gwynedd at that time. Everything that happened at Gwynedd was
reported
to and recorded by Radnor.
Ellis Pugh, btw, appears all over those marriage documents. I
should
have counted the number of marriages he witnessed. It was easily a
dozen, and
probably more. In fact he witness the marriage of my Cadwallader Morris
at
Gwynedd in 1710. He must have been a real party animal (for a Quaker,
that is).
:-)
I also missed something in my own notes. There was record of a
Robert
Pugh witnessing the marriage of Richard Jones and Jane Evan at Gwynedd
in 1705.
(And of course Ellis Pugh was there also.) I think I said the first
record I saw
of him was 1708, which is not true. There was no record of Sarah Pugh at
that
wedding.
Robert
>Pugh appeared at another marriage that same year, along with a Sarah Evans,
>interestingly enough.
This is interesting. Wouldn't Sarah, the wife of Robert, be listed as a
Pugh and not an Evan, if this was the one?
I don't mean to imply that they were there as a couple. I doubt
that
this is the same Sarah Evans. It just struck me as a strange
coincidence.
Actually on a Quaker marriage document, you have no way of telling if
two people
were there as a couple. The witnesses are divided along gender lines.
Men signed
in separate columns from the women. That's how they conducted their
services as
well. Men and women sit on opposite sides of the room facing one
another.
Roland, I will ask Roy about these localtions on Hendre Mawr and the
Vaughan property and of the town near Dogallau as that is where he lives.
It might help us to pin point Hendre Mawr if we can locate that
property. Tyddyn y Garreg is the town I heard you mention before. I
think you
said that's where Ellis Pugh was born.
RM