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Greetings,
I subscribe to the Castles of Wales monthly newsletter written by Jeffrey
L. Thomas
(e-mail: jltbalt(a)worldnet.att.net --if you wish to join). It's a wonderful
site if you haven't visited and the newsletter is full of interesting
tidbits as I have gleaned, below.
Enjoy,
Emily
Fromt he newsletter:
This interesting story from the February 21st edition of the Western Mail,
comes to us from John Richards. It reminds us of the tensions that once
existed along the Welsh Marches, the border land of England and Wales. Many
of you already know that certain punitive sanctions against the Welsh were
initiated following Edward's victories over Llywelyn in the wars of 1276-77
and 1282-83, and as a result of the revolt of Owain Glyndwr in the early
15th century, but did you know that there existed certain border sanctions
(on the part of both the English AND the Welsh) during the pre-Norman period
as well?
The Mercian king Offa attempted to define the border of England and Wales
when he erected his famous dyke towards the end of the 8th century, (some of
which is still visible today), and things have never been the same since.
Anyway, it might be best to stay in Wales on Sundays! :-)
>From The Daily Mail, 21 February 2000:
A TOWN ALL WELSHMEN WOULD BE WISE TO AVOID.
Any Welshman hoping to live to a ripe old age should avoid crossing the
border into Hereford.
For a 1,000-year-old law gives the English the right to slaughter them, it
has been revealed. The ancient by-law, discovered in documents relating to
the town, states that it is legal to kill a Welshman, but only if you do it
in the Cathedral Close, on a Sunday, use a long bow, and shoot from a
distance of exactly 12 yards.
The law was revealed on an Internet website listing bizarre rules dating
back thousands of years. As far as records reveal no one has ever tried to
take advantage of the by-law, which has never been repealed. Sue Embery, of
the Hereford Cathedral Trust, said yesterday: 'Yes, the law DOES exist. It
is actually part of the original documents which are held in the town hall.
But thankfully it is a long time since People were running around with
longbows.'
A police spokesman said: 'Years ago people used to talk about It. I never
knew there was any truth in it or whether it was on old-wives' tale. We're
not bracing ourselves for a flood of attacks, though.'
Catrin Harries of the Wales Tourist Board said: 'I would think It would be
in the best interests of the Hereford Tourist Board to change this law...!'
Roland and all,
> Geez, the things that women get me to do....
Living in a house full of ladies does that to you! <G> Give them my
thanks! <VBG> AND, I'm happy the bribe is working! Seriously, I really
appreciate you checking for me and do hope you have some time for yourself
there.
BTW, Roy will be coming to Swarthmore in a few weeks to work on his
line...or so he just told me. I mentioned that one of our members who will
be going to Wales this summer lived fairly close, but I said no more than
that.
Other researchers have suggested that Sarah Evans and Robert Pugh were
married in Wales. Roy is working on that in for it, but wanted to be sure
he was looking for a Robert and not an Evan Pugh. I take it that you
didn't find any Sarah Evans and Evan Pughs mentioned together as a couple,
or possible couple, did you, Roland?
Thanks SO much for the information. I appreciate having the birth dates.
I didn't have them all. Do I understand that the dates you sent were
Quaker dates, or not? Then would Evan be born 20 May or 20 or Aug?
Does anyone know if land records for someone who was listed in the Quaker
records of Radnor are available? Has anyone checked them? If not, I will
have to find time to get to the FHC here...given I'm not painting or
tearing down more walls! <G>
Roland, are any of these Swarthmore records you mentioned copied by the
LDS? I would be interested in the Ellis Pugh line as they connect to me,
although not directly.
Robert
>Pugh appeared at another marriage that same year, along with a Sarah Evans,
>interestingly enough.
This is interesting. Wouldn't Sarah, the wife of Robert, be listed as a
Pugh and not an Evan, if this was the one?
Roland, I will ask Roy about these localtions on Hendre Mawr and the
Vaughan property and of the town near Dogallau as that is where he lives.
I guess that since I didn't find the marriage records I didn't earn a
>dinner. How about if you just carry my binoculars when we go hiking?
<Hehehehehe>
As long as you can drag me up the big hills! <G>
Off to dinner...still no kitchen! <F>
Emily
Hi,
Good information on the kids of Sarah and Robert. I have gathered from the assorted secondary
sources available that Sarah Eveans and Robert Pugh were married in Wales and [evidently] that
Ellen/Elinor and Mary were born there before the family came over.
Terry
Howdy,
> THEREFORE, I wish to ask anyone who has ANY proof or suggestion of proof that
> Sarah's husband is one or the other to please share it with me. ALSO, Roland,
> IF and WHEN you get to Swarthmore, I'd gladly pay for your time, a dinner in
> Wales, a night at the pub, etc. if you would check there for any possible
> record! <G>
>
> Does anyone have an Quaker records that show Sarah married to a Robert Pugh?
Geez, the things that women get me to do.... There is no marriage record
of Sarah and Robert Pugh in the Radnor or Gwynedd MM records at Swarthmore.
However there are birth records at Swarthmore for four of their children. They are
recorded in the Radnor records as follows:
"Evan, son of Robert Pugh and Sarah, his wife, was born 5-20-1699".
"Robert, son of Robert and Sarah Pugh, was born 1-20-1702/3".
"Jane, daughter of Robert and Sarah Pugh, was born 1-25-1705".
"Sarah, daughter of Robert and Sarah Pugh, was born 8-25-1707".
There was no reference to Mary Pugh at all. There was an Ellin Pugh, who
was the daughter of Harry and Catherine Pugh. She was born 1-15-1712/13. Harry
Pugh was also the father of Elizabeth, Jane, John, Moses and Robert. There were
also entries for the children of Ellis and Sinah Pugh, James and Joan Pugh and
David and Katherine Pugh.
I checked through some early marriage records at Gwynedd and Radnor and
saw no evidence of anyone named Robert Pugh until 1708, where he and Evan Pugh
were witnesses to a marriage at Gwynedd. There was no Sarah Pugh present. Robert
Pugh appeared at another marriage that same year, along with a Sarah Evans,
interestingly enough. The first sign I could find of Sarah and Robert Pugh
together was at the marriage of Thomas Parry and Jane Evan, daughter of Robert
Evan, in 1710 at Gwynedd.
Unfortunately I didn't get the chance to check later marriage records for
the children of Robert and Sarah Pugh. On Saturday Swarthmore is only open for 3
hours. There is quite a bit more on the film that I had and I imagine I could find
the marriages of some of their children starting around 1720. I only made it to
around 1710, when I got booted out! Of course I've been thrown out of places
before but never quite as nicely as the Quakers at Swarthmore do it. :-) I'll try
to get to those at some point, along with other requests I've received for
Swarthmore. I haven't forgotten you all. But of course, Emily, you're the only one
to actually bribe me! :-)
I did find an interesting lead on Hendre Mawr. On a transfer certificate
from Hendre Mawr dated 1696 (and signed by my uncle, Hugh Griffith!) it says in
part "...at the Monthly Meeting in the house of Robert Vaughn, near Bala, the 16
day of the 12th month, 1696". It seems from this that if we locate Robert Vaughn's
property then we can locate the sight of the Hendre Mawr Monthly Meeting. Is
anyone familiar with that name?
I also noticed on a transfer certificate from Evan Jones that it mentions
Tyddyn y Garreg as being near Dolgellau. The exact quote was "... from meeting
held at Tyddyn y Garreg in Garthgunfawr near Dolegelle in the county of
Merioneth". I'm guessing that Dolegelle in fact means present day Dolgellau.
> Thanks a HEAP!
> Emily
I guess that since I didn't find the marriage records I didn't earn a
dinner. How about if you just carry my binoculars when we go hiking? <Hehehehehe>
RM