No problem John, the person to answer your question would be Cathriona
in Clones Library.
Even with old g/stones it's difficult to know who has rights, if you
take my g.g.g.great uncle whose g/stone is completely eroded of any
names, dates etc and direct line is extinct there's myself and a few
others at same level as relatives... Can I re-engrave the stone?
I have all the data as it was written down years ago and the dates etc
As for the g/stone in question it is difficult to know who had the right
to remove it? If it was a danger the church has responsibility of safety
and can remove/secure it if they have no one to contact about it..
On 31/10/2014 02:08, John Olson-Kennedy wrote:
Thanks again Dave for your post. It's really fascinating how
'destruction' can actually lead to unintended, but very real
With regards to my previous comment in this thread, I believe that I've
found an explanation:
-) There are a ton of new gravestones on old plots. In the 1980's,
the new stones were by and large at the back, in the areas that
hadn't been used before for plots. Now, the new gravestones are the
majority, even at the front, in the oldest part of the churchyard.
From what I can see, The Boom Years brought bigger cars, larger
houses, and new gravestones on family plots.
I found a picture of of my Beagan family plot in St. Tierney's, which I
think was taken some time in the 2000's. The photo was taken far enough
back to show a number of graves (and the Burma Petrol Station up the
road). There was not a blade of grass to be seen in the frame. The
ground all around had obviously been leveled, and there was empty space
all around the Beagan grave. I'm guessing that if no living family
claimed a plot, it was cleared to make way for new burials. All that
space has since been filled by new plots and the new stones I saw in
August this year. I have a very vague recollection of hearing of the
churchyard having been "re-done". Perhaps this was a follow-on project
to the renovation of the Chapel back in the early 1980's. Perhaps again,
that's when the Montague stone was removed. I'm still surprised they
would have touched that one as, in my mind, I recall people were fond of it.
On a related matter, I know that when you "buy" a plot in Milltown
Cemetery in Belfast, it is not "in perpetuity". Rather, you have the
right of burial for 75 years, after which, if you do not renew the
lease, the plot may be leased to someone else. This is meant to provide
a steady income to the cemetery for maintenance. (Anyone who saw
Milltown in the 1980's with the chest-high grass and trees growing out
of graves can understand the alternative.) While I really, really hate
to see old stones come down, I can understand the need for a cemetery to
be sustainable over the *very* long term. I just hope that they keep
John in NC.
On 2014/10/18, 05:18 , Dave H via wrote:
> Government contracts to builders building new churches used to use stone
> from old church but in the contract they were also allowed to use
> g/stones etc and also 'leave the site tidy' when finished so took what
> they wanted.
> The post I made a while back about a school being demolished
> demonstrated this as it was discovered that the foundations were in fact
> g/stones laid down on top of each other and in excellent condition, so
> in one way they were actually preserved.
> The window sills on many an old cottage were parts of g/stones. The
> estate cottages in Glaslough for example, someused g/stones and some are
> revealed during renovations etc.
> It's mainly the cut-stone cottages where these are found rather that he
> "standard" Irish cottages. When they were used they were put 'face
> so anything on them was preserved.
> At an ancient church near me there are g/stones piled up in a corner
> dating back to 1600's but at least they are being protected by
> leaves/moss etc growing on them. Another, in Monaghan was 'tidied', any
> fallen stones were put in a corner, since then all leaves, grass
> cuttings etc has been dumped on top of them so they are buried under a
> mound of compost. Thankfully I know none of mine are in the heap.
> Perhaps Montague stone was removed due to poor foundations etc and
> possibly falling over on someone..
> On 18/10/2014 00:50, John Olson-Kennedy via wrote:
>> I looked around the churchyard to see if I
>> could find the original stone stashed some place, but alas couldn't find
>> it. There were however a couple of old stones lying to the side, but
>> stacked up, so I could only see the top one, and it wasn't it.
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