Thanks Barry and all ..................so if the maps on the "ask about
Ireland" site are actually the final Griffiths maps....would there be an
explanation why there might appear to be
some small inconsistacies between the numbered plots on those maps
...and the listing of plots and their occupants in the griffiths
.......or maybe the interpretations i was making was not fully correct
.................its great if those maps on "ask about ireland "are
actually the final Griffiths maps .....as that is surely one of the best
sites i have come across that can be accessed by us so far
away from the sources of much information in Dublin or Belfast
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:14:57 +0100, "barry bradfield"
>From what I have seen the following is the situation.
1) Tithe maps...........
These bare absolutely no relation to the O/S maps published in the
These tithe maps vary from sketches of townlands with the occupier noted
incredibly good maps prepared by a professional local. Tithes were going
for 100's years previously and the 1830's maps had absolutely nothing to
with them. At that time (1830's)Tithes were about to be abolished or were
abolished depending on the timing and area.
2) Griffiths surveyors used a black and white copy of the 1830's
and amended them.On "Irish Origins" you can see the actual map the
used, with his notes and amendments.You can see the same map without any
amendments. You will also see houses crossed out and new houses in a
slightly different location.The measurements used by the Griffith valuers
are by far more accurate than used by the locals in tithe maps etc.It is
very rare you see an amendment to what they recorded (but you can see an
occasional tiny difference recorded, court cases /boundary disputes etc)
You will see new boundaries or old ones amended with notes.
These maps are in Dublin and are no longer available for public
viewing."Irish Origins" and their programme were the last who got to view
The maps used by Griffith for the Northern Counties are also in O/S in
Dublin but "Irish Origins" were not allowed access due to certain
problems with Republic (Dublin) and (NI) (Belfast) but are available in
Dublin I believe.But they (Irish Origins) are working on it.The maps I
seen for Northern Counties ex PRONI are Griffith based but continued to
used for the cancelled rates etc.
The amount of changes on them make them, in my opinion useless. I have
seen such rubbish as regards Griffiths.
3) The maps used by "askaboutirelans.ie" appear to be a very top quality
in colour based on the 1830's map but modified for the changes in
They are not the same as the 1830's maps.
I have the same maps/locations from
Which is part of O/S Ireland...........Euro 6 for a days membership, not
but not allowed to download.......#
My local Library has access to this site and is allowed print
The maps on "askaboutireland" are the finished product of Griffith's
and were not used day to day.
4) With the access we have in the republic to these maps I can download a
map (legally), crop a townland and put all the names of occupiers under
number on the map in probably 10 mins. (20 if you wanted acres and
landlord)...........and I only type with one finger.........
5) With O/S NI and what is available from PRONI this cannot be done at
I hope this clarifies some issues raised.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sally Factor" <sallyfactor(a)optonline.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: FER-GOLD Fermanagh Gold surveys and Griffiths Valuation
It all sounds very exciting. I would love to hear about the securing the
maps and accompanying Tithe Applotment Maps from Proni by mail.
The day I was there, items were unavailable.
Do you think the Discover Series could be ordered from Amazon?
Tell us more of what you found.
Sally in Connecticut
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